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    Terence Trent D'Arby and Des'ree - both SEIs





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    Vera Lynn - maybe ESE
    She reminds me of me mum, the way she looks like her clone.

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    I was watching Cats (the old recording from 98) and the actor that played Mr. Mistoffelees looked ILE-Ne to me, artistic make up and all.




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    Thoughty2 - MB ILE

    GRADE A++++ Fi PoLR rant

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    Probably LII
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    Is this ILE? haha

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    >those facial expressions
    >filming vertically

    could be my dual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    Thoughty2 - MB ILE

    GRADE A++++ Fi PoLR rant
    Typing and content approved by Fi valuer PC speech doesn't seem to have much to do with delta Fi though.

    I rarely feel alone. I rarely talk to anyone, yet in my head i have the most amazing, the most fantastic discussions with the people in my life. In real life, what most people talk about is several orders of magnitude lesser than their inner experiences. Most people never reveal the singularity of their subjective experience.
    Maybe I should learn to explore other people's consciousness. Maybe I should aim for a real space between me and others. Instead of cultivating monologues and fantasies. It's hard, but the alternative to this seems to be madness. ~ lkdhf qkb

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    ILE ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    Is this ILE? haha

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    Is this ILE? haha

    hmm, maybe he even has a beta soulmate with a similar temperament...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    Is this ILE? haha

    That is 4D Se with technical knowledge. LSE is my guess. He makes lots of Fi evaluations thinking how much he likes different 4D Ni people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    That is 4D Se with technical knowledge. LSE is my guess. He makes lots of Fi evaluations thinking how much he likes different 4D Ni people.
    <.< its weird how ppl see someone tinkering, being a bit strange and they go ILE! ILE ILE! Omg look at that ILE!

    Meanwhile real ILEs addicted to tetris:



    my old Tulip 386 PC had this DOS program that was 3D tetris.. fun ngl. This was my first PC btw:


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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    <.< its weird how ppl see someone tinkering, being a bit strange and they go ILE! ILE ILE! Omg look at that ILE!
    Yes it's a big stereotype

    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Meanwhile real ILEs addicted to tetris:


    I'd go with LII-C with Stevie. ILE-C is more all 'over the place', less inert in his thoughts and has more of a 'happy alpha vibe' bc of Fe-HA; Adam Savage would nearly be a caricature of ILE-Ne C:




    I rarely feel alone. I rarely talk to anyone, yet in my head i have the most amazing, the most fantastic discussions with the people in my life. In real life, what most people talk about is several orders of magnitude lesser than their inner experiences. Most people never reveal the singularity of their subjective experience.
    Maybe I should learn to explore other people's consciousness. Maybe I should aim for a real space between me and others. Instead of cultivating monologues and fantasies. It's hard, but the alternative to this seems to be madness. ~ lkdhf qkb

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    steve wozniak has that typical EP temperament. speaks with a fast speed when excited. compare him to an actual LII like todd grande. here you can see a real Ij temperament. barely any emotions showing, dry and precise speech, not influenced by mood etc.

    ILE
    https://youtu.be/PhBVRFKVGxU

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    notice the difference of eye movements between the two. how wozniak is focused on his surroundings and the interviewer because of his extroversion, and todd frequently looks to the side while talking. it's because he is introverted and has a certain distance to reality, might think about something else while talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    steve wozniak has that typical EP temperament. speaks with a fast speed when excited. compare him to an actual LII like todd grande. here you can see a real Ij temperament. barely any emotions showing, dry and precise speech, not influenced by mood etc.

    ILE
    https://youtu.be/PhBVRFKVGxU

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    https://youtu.be/zxuw9ziGGzM

    notice the difference of eye movements between the two. how wozniak is focused on his surroundings and the interviewer because of his extroversion, and todd frequently looks to the side while talking. it's because he is introverted and has a certain distance to reality, might think about something else while talking.
    Imo, your ILE seems LII-Ne and your LII seems LII-Ti. To get to ILE you have to up the NeFe game significantly(at least for Ne subtypes). Here an exaggeration from a staged format to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

    I rarely feel alone. I rarely talk to anyone, yet in my head i have the most amazing, the most fantastic discussions with the people in my life. In real life, what most people talk about is several orders of magnitude lesser than their inner experiences. Most people never reveal the singularity of their subjective experience.
    Maybe I should learn to explore other people's consciousness. Maybe I should aim for a real space between me and others. Instead of cultivating monologues and fantasies. It's hard, but the alternative to this seems to be madness. ~ lkdhf qkb

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    <.< its weird how ppl see someone tinkering, being a bit strange and they go ILE! ILE ILE! Omg look at that ILE!

    Meanwhile real ILEs addicted to tetris:



    my old Tulip 386 PC had this DOS program that was 3D tetris.. fun ngl. This was my first PC btw:

    Dude meets Gorbachev and is like whatever. Sees inventor of Tetris next to him... gets shy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    Imo, your ILE seems LII-Ne and your LII seems LII-Ti. To get to ILE you have to up the NeFe game significantly(at least for Ne subtypes). Here an exaggeration from a staged format to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:
    tbh, I think I disagree with all of the typings you have made in the last couple of weeks. we might have a different approach to typing

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    Andy Rubin is classified as ILE hmmm..



    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    Imo, your ILE seems LII-Ne and your LII seems LII-Ti. To get to ILE you have to up the NeFe game significantly(at least for Ne subtypes). Here an exaggeration from a staged format to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:
    ..hmm.. that guy has too much in your face Fe (Fe demo?). Probably IEE tbh. ILEs have F somewhere in the ballpark of SLEs (so shit F in general).. and they come off as extroverted awkward nerds imo. Adam Savage, Steve Wozniak and Andy Rubin more like. Soo not really the ENTP stereotype of the joker.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    Dude meets Gorbachev and is like whatever. Sees inventor of Tetris next to him... gets shy.
    peripheral quadras and priorities lol..

    Linus is alpha NT as well imo:



    e_e for a Finn he seems rather extroverted. Maybe ILE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Andy Rubin is classified as ILE hmmm..





    ..hmm.. that guy has too much in your face Fe (Fe demo?). Probably IEE tbh. ILEs have F somewhere in the ballpark of SLEs (so shit F in general).. and they come off as extroverted awkward nerds imo. Adam Savage, Steve Wozniak and Andy Rubin more like. Soo not really the ENTP stereotype of the joker.
    Nah. If you go by Gulenko Ne state it is said that Ne is facially very expressive. With logic it does not engage with F ways but it is still like all over the place. My face very expressive according to many but it is disengaged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    Nah. If you go by Gulenko Ne state it is said that Ne is facially very expressive. With logic it does not engage with F ways but it is still like all over the place. My face very expressive according to many but it is disengaged.
    ^^' I took Andy Rubin str8 from Gulenko's website. If you check ILE, he is right there. Linus is more speculation on my part.

    For LII I'd say Paul Allen.

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    paul allen seems gamma at first glance. I had my doubts about rubin when I looked at gulenko's gallery but I haven't look into him. I think he got into trouble for sexual harassment a while ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    ^^' I took Andy Rubin str8 from Gulenko's website. If you check ILE, he is right there. Linus is more speculation on my part.

    For LII I'd say Paul Allen.
    Linus is attracted towards low level stuff and all sorts of 3D rotation. LII is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    tbh, I think I disagree with all of the typings you have made in the last couple of weeks. we might have a different approach to typing
    Well, maybe I'm cwazy? Maybe we're all cwaaaazzzzzyyy!? Socionics is for nutjobs anyway; cuckoos that are too afraid to deal with people or themselves directly so they put some 'analysis' in between if your typings make sense to you, be my guest!
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    Maybe I should learn to explore other people's consciousness. Maybe I should aim for a real space between me and others. Instead of cultivating monologues and fantasies. It's hard, but the alternative to this seems to be madness. ~ lkdhf qkb

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    ..hmm.. that guy has too much in your face Fe (Fe demo?). Probably IEE tbh. ILEs have F somewhere in the ballpark of SLEs (so shit F in general).. and they come off as extroverted awkward nerds imo. Adam Savage, Steve Wozniak and Andy Rubin more like. Soo not really the ENTP stereotype of the joker.
    Dude came off as extroverted nerd to me in the song. I have demo Fe and his facial expressions were too childish for high dimensional Fe.... like he wanted to make people laugh but the expressions didn't really convey that, but rather a 'colorful madman' and sometimes 'creepy' vibe that I'm not sure he intended to have
    I rarely feel alone. I rarely talk to anyone, yet in my head i have the most amazing, the most fantastic discussions with the people in my life. In real life, what most people talk about is several orders of magnitude lesser than their inner experiences. Most people never reveal the singularity of their subjective experience.
    Maybe I should learn to explore other people's consciousness. Maybe I should aim for a real space between me and others. Instead of cultivating monologues and fantasies. It's hard, but the alternative to this seems to be madness. ~ lkdhf qkb

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    Dude came off as extroverted nerd to me in the song. I have demo Fe and his facial expressions were too childish for high dimensional Fe.... like he wanted to make people laugh but the expressions didn't really convey that, but rather a 'colorful madman' and sometimes 'creepy' vibe that I'm not sure he intended to have
    Facial expression is not F until done for engagement. That is my stance. For instance Zuckerbeg is not facially non expressive (altough I kind of thing some sort of take over when I think about him) at all . He is expressive but fantasy takes him to that comfy lala-land and he is also disconnected from his body to make it even better, lol.
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    Paul Allen and Adam Strange mb identicals.
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    if someone owns a yacht (or anything that is worth more than a car), they are most likely not alpha NT

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    a friend asked me yesterday what type douglas hofstadter has. I still think ILE, but watching some videos now it seems to me that he is a harmonising subtype.

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    Caroline Konstar seems ILE:




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    It occurred to me that Lance Bass could be SEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    It occurred to me that Lance Bass could be SEI.
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    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    EIE ?
    His Fe appears strong but then his eyes don't look Ni/Se valuing and for moments it expressively shows. Judging from a couple of non-Beta people I know. But I wouldn't bet on his type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Caroline Konstar seems ILE:



    I don't consider myself a good typer, but she looks Ethical and Sensing to me kind of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    if someone owns a yacht (or anything that is worth more than a car), they are most likely not alpha NT
    According to this logic:

    So alpha NTs cannot born in wealthy households or inherit wealth or gain wealth. Even if they inherited or gained wealth, they wouldnt own anything worth more than a car??

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    According to this logic:

    So alpha NTs cannot born in wealthy households or inherit wealth or gain wealth. Even if they inherited or gained wealth, they wouldnt own anything worth more than a car??
    I think Alive's thinking is that they aren't likely to purposefully buy expensive things because they want expensive things.

    I see where he's coming from, but I don't think that's necessarily true for ILEs. They can be status-conscious even though they often deny it, and they like cool toys. LIIs it's more true for IMO, unless they're married. The only married LIIs I've known with more-or-less good relationships with their spouses were married to ESEs, and those LIIs seemed to want to give them anything they wanted. Don't know if ESEs like yachts though. At least most ESEs I've known have seemed averse to intentionally wasting money/spending more than necessary, but that may have more to do with upbringing than type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I think Alive's thinking is that they aren't likely to purposefully buy expensive things because they want expensive things.
    The word expensive is relative. For example, if somebody grew up in a wealthy househould, having a yatch is like having a cell phone, everybody owns one in their world. I know people who are very above and very below average in terms of economic income and wealth. Hence, I witnessed one can consider something as high status symbol whereas other person can find the same thing as low status.

    Saying alpha NTs cant own anything more than a car, is too much caricaturization that people can draw so many wrong conclusions although it may not be his aim.

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    I see where he's coming from, but I don't think that's necessarily true for ILEs. They can be status-conscious even though they often deny it, and they like cool toys. LIIs it's more true for IMO, unless they're married. The only married LIIs I've known with more-or-less good relationships with their spouses were married to ESEs, and those LIIs seemed to want to give them anything they wanted. Don't know if ESEs like yachts though. At least most ESEs I've known have seemed averse to intentionally wasting money/spending more than necessary, but that may have more to do with upbringing than type.
    I dont know any ILEs, you can be right. LIIs don't like to show off, but I don't think it makes them blind to status. Due to having relations with people with different economic background, I noticed that I prefer to fit in status wise, in other words, I don't want to be pointed out or point out someone's status even if it is high. When people say things to other people like you are rich, you can buy xyz without thinking right etc, that makes me cringe. I can see that other person does not know what to do, because it is their normal. It feels like a form of exclusion. Ofcourse reverse scenario would be more terrifying, luckily that rarely happens.
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    The word expensive is relative. For example, if somebody grew up in a wealthy househould, having a yatch is like having a cell phone, everybody owns one in their world. I know people who are very above and very below average in terms of economic income and wealth. Hence, I witnessed one can consider something as high status symbol whereas other person can find the same thing as low status.

    Saying alpha NTs cant own anything more than a car, is too much caricaturization that people can draw so many wrong conclusions although it may not be his aim.
    Cell phones are more or less necessary in this world, while even for the rich owning a yacht is a status symbol. Most people who buy them hardly use them, and usually it would be less of a hassle, and less cost, to just rent or borrow one. I also don't know how owning a yacht could possibly be seen as "low status" unless you're richer than Croesus: it's a sign to the world that you have so much money you can spend a great amount of it on something frivolous.



    I dont know any ILEs, you can be right. LIIs don't like to show off, but I don't think it makes them blind to status. Due to having relations with people with different economic background, I noticed that I prefer to fit in status wise, in other words, I don't want to be pointed out or point out someone's status even if it is high. When people say things to other people like you are rich, you can buy xyz without thinking right etc, that makes me cringe. I can see that other person does not know what to do, because it is their normal. It feels like a form of exclusion. Ofcourse reverse scenario would be more terrifying, luckily that rarely happens.
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    It's too reductionistic, but that also doesn't mean what Alive wrote is necessarily without any truth. Would you say a multi-millionaire LII is just as likely to buy a yacht or something as, say, an SEE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Cell phones are more or less necessary in this world, while even for the rich owning a yacht is a status symbol. Most people who buy them hardly use them, and usually it would be less of a hassle, and less cost, to just rent or borrow one.
    That is your point of view based on the lifestyles that you observed.

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    I also don't know how owning a yacht could possibly be seen as "low status" unless you're richer than Croesus: it's a sign to the world that you have so much money you can spend a great amount of it on something frivolous.
    I didn't say yatch could be seen as low status. I said people can see something as high status when other people see it as low status. Just consider xyz brand model car that is not high end.

    Some people have a great amount of money and it is not too much to spend for them.


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    It's too reductionistic, but that also doesn't mean what Alive wrote is necessarily without any truth. Would you say a multi-millionaire LII is just as likely to buy a yacht or something as, say, an SEE?

    Yes, multi-millionaire LII can also buy a yatch, or they may not. Ofcourse, LII would be different than SEE. However, you seem to think that yatch is status symbol independent from the amount of wealth and lifestyle.

    Besides, you know an average house cost more than a car, right?

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    I have Se as vulnerable function, I barely focus on reality. 99% of the time I'm completely in my head. I only said that it's unlikely for LII's to own a yacht because any kind of bigger purchase requires real life effort and maintanance that I don't really care for at all. never owned a car and I haven't met an LII so far that had one unless it was really necessary. I do not care at all how other people perceive me. I'm completely indifferent to status symbols. the idea of buying something like a yacht seems so foreign to me that the probability of a wealthy LII buying that is still extremly low to me even if I imagine myself in that position. I have a decent amount of savings and I buy nothing at all most of the time.

    hmm considering that FP relates to my message, it makes me think that he has the same type as me, while myresearch seems a bit different.
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