Examples of Socionics Alpha types

[Marep]

Terence Trent D'Arby and Des'ree - both SEIs

[SGF]

Vera Lynn - maybe ESE

She reminds me of me mum, the way she looks like her clone.

[Rusal]

I was watching Cats (the old recording from 98) and the actor that played Mr. Mistoffelees looked ILE-Ne to me, artistic make up and all.

[BrightDemonSheep96]

Thoughty2 - MB ILE

GRADE A++++ Fi PoLR rant

[BrightDemonSheep96]

Probably LII

[Rusal]

Is this ILE? haha

[Alive]

>those facial expressions
>filming vertically

could be my dual

[lkdhf qkb]

Thoughty2 - MB ILE

GRADE A++++ Fi PoLR rant

Typing and content approved by Fi valuer PC speech doesn't seem to have much to do with delta Fi though.

[myresearch]

ILE ?

[myresearch]

Is this ILE? haha

lol

[Alive]

Is this ILE? haha

hmm, maybe he even has a beta soulmate with a similar temperament...

[BrightDemonSheep96]

Is this ILE? haha

That is 4D Se with technical knowledge. LSE is my guess. He makes lots of Fi evaluations thinking how much he likes different 4D Ni people.

[SGF]

That is 4D Se with technical knowledge. LSE is my guess. He makes lots of Fi evaluations thinking how much he likes different 4D Ni people.

<.< its weird how ppl see someone tinkering, being a bit strange and they go ILE! ILE ILE! Omg look at that ILE!

Meanwhile real ILEs addicted to tetris:



my old Tulip 386 PC had this DOS program that was 3D tetris.. fun ngl. This was my first PC btw:

[lkdhf qkb]

<.< its weird how ppl see someone tinkering, being a bit strange and they go ILE! ILE ILE! Omg look at that ILE!

Yes it's a big stereotype

Meanwhile real ILEs addicted to tetris:

I'd go with LII-C with Stevie. ILE-C is more all 'over the place', less inert in his thoughts and has more of a 'happy alpha vibe' bc of Fe-HA; Adam Savage would nearly be a caricature of ILE-Ne C:

[Alive]

steve wozniak has that typical EP temperament. speaks with a fast speed when excited. compare him to an actual LII like todd grande. here you can see a real Ij temperament. barely any emotions showing, dry and precise speech, not influenced by mood etc.

ILE
https://youtu.be/PhBVRFKVGxU

LII
https://youtu.be/zxuw9ziGGzM

notice the difference of eye movements between the two. how wozniak is focused on his surroundings and the interviewer because of his extroversion, and todd frequently looks to the side while talking. it's because he is introverted and has a certain distance to reality, might think about something else while talking.

[lkdhf qkb]

steve wozniak has that typical EP temperament. speaks with a fast speed when excited. compare him to an actual LII like todd grande. here you can see a real Ij temperament. barely any emotions showing, dry and precise speech, not influenced by mood etc.

ILE
https://youtu.be/PhBVRFKVGxU

LII
https://youtu.be/zxuw9ziGGzM

notice the difference of eye movements between the two. how wozniak is focused on his surroundings and the interviewer because of his extroversion, and todd frequently looks to the side while talking. it's because he is introverted and has a certain distance to reality, might think about something else while talking.

Imo, your ILE seems LII-Ne and your LII seems LII-Ti. To get to ILE you have to up the NeFe game significantly(at least for Ne subtypes). Here an exaggeration from a staged format to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

[BrightDemonSheep96]

<.< its weird how ppl see someone tinkering, being a bit strange and they go ILE! ILE ILE! Omg look at that ILE!

Meanwhile real ILEs addicted to tetris:



my old Tulip 386 PC had this DOS program that was 3D tetris.. fun ngl. This was my first PC btw:

Dude meets Gorbachev and is like whatever. Sees inventor of Tetris next to him... gets shy.

[Alive]

Imo, your ILE seems LII-Ne and your LII seems LII-Ti. To get to ILE you have to up the NeFe game significantly(at least for Ne subtypes). Here an exaggeration from a staged format to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

tbh, I think I disagree with all of the typings you have made in the last couple of weeks. we might have a different approach to typing

[SGF]

Andy Rubin is classified as ILE hmmm..

Imo, your ILE seems LII-Ne and your LII seems LII-Ti. To get to ILE you have to up the NeFe game significantly(at least for Ne subtypes). Here an exaggeration from a staged format to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

..hmm.. that guy has too much in your face Fe (Fe demo?). Probably IEE tbh. ILEs have F somewhere in the ballpark of SLEs (so shit F in general).. and they come off as extroverted awkward nerds imo. Adam Savage, Steve Wozniak and Andy Rubin more like. Soo not really the ENTP stereotype of the joker.

Dude meets Gorbachev and is like whatever. Sees inventor of Tetris next to him... gets shy.

peripheral quadras and priorities lol..

Linus is alpha NT as well imo:



e_e for a Finn he seems rather extroverted. Maybe ILE.

[BrightDemonSheep96]

Andy Rubin is classified as ILE hmmm..





..hmm.. that guy has too much in your face Fe (Fe demo?). Probably IEE tbh. ILEs have F somewhere in the ballpark of SLEs (so shit F in general).. and they come off as extroverted awkward nerds imo. Adam Savage, Steve Wozniak and Andy Rubin more like. Soo not really the ENTP stereotype of the joker.

Nah. If you go by Gulenko Ne state it is said that Ne is facially very expressive. With logic it does not engage with F ways but it is still like all over the place. My face very expressive according to many but it is disengaged.

[SGF]

Nah. If you go by Gulenko Ne state it is said that Ne is facially very expressive. With logic it does not engage with F ways but it is still like all over the place. My face very expressive according to many but it is disengaged.

^^' I took Andy Rubin str8 from Gulenko's website. If you check ILE, he is right there. Linus is more speculation on my part.

For LII I'd say Paul Allen.

[Alive]

paul allen seems gamma at first glance. I had my doubts about rubin when I looked at gulenko's gallery but I haven't look into him. I think he got into trouble for sexual harassment a while ago

[BrightDemonSheep96]

^^' I took Andy Rubin str8 from Gulenko's website. If you check ILE, he is right there. Linus is more speculation on my part.

For LII I'd say Paul Allen.

Linus is attracted towards low level stuff and all sorts of 3D rotation. LII is possible.

[lkdhf qkb]

tbh, I think I disagree with all of the typings you have made in the last couple of weeks. we might have a different approach to typing

Well, maybe I'm cwazy? Maybe we're all cwaaaazzzzzyyy!? Socionics is for nutjobs anyway; cuckoos that are too afraid to deal with people or themselves directly so they put some 'analysis' in between if your typings make sense to you, be my guest!

[lkdhf qkb]

..hmm.. that guy has too much in your face Fe (Fe demo?). Probably IEE tbh. ILEs have F somewhere in the ballpark of SLEs (so shit F in general).. and they come off as extroverted awkward nerds imo. Adam Savage, Steve Wozniak and Andy Rubin more like. Soo not really the ENTP stereotype of the joker.

Dude came off as extroverted nerd to me in the song. I have demo Fe and his facial expressions were too childish for high dimensional Fe.... like he wanted to make people laugh but the expressions didn't really convey that, but rather a 'colorful madman' and sometimes 'creepy' vibe that I'm not sure he intended to have

[BrightDemonSheep96]

Dude came off as extroverted nerd to me in the song. I have demo Fe and his facial expressions were too childish for high dimensional Fe.... like he wanted to make people laugh but the expressions didn't really convey that, but rather a 'colorful madman' and sometimes 'creepy' vibe that I'm not sure he intended to have

Facial expression is not F until done for engagement. That is my stance. For instance Zuckerbeg is not facially non expressive (altough I kind of thing some sort of take over when I think about him) at all . He is expressive but fantasy takes him to that comfy lala-land and he is also disconnected from his body to make it even better, lol.

[BrightDemonSheep96]

Paul Allen and Adam Strange mb identicals.

[Alive]

if someone owns a yacht (or anything that is worth more than a car), they are most likely not alpha NT

[Alive]

a friend asked me yesterday what type douglas hofstadter has. I still think ILE, but watching some videos now it seems to me that he is a harmonising subtype.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Caroline Konstar seems ILE:

[Rusal]

It occurred to me that Lance Bass could be SEI.

[Tallmo]

It occurred to me that Lance Bass could be SEI.

EIE ?

[Rusal]

EIE ?

His Fe appears strong but then his eyes don't look Ni/Se valuing and for moments it expressively shows. Judging from a couple of non-Beta people I know. But I wouldn't bet on his type.

[one]

Caroline Konstar seems ILE:

I don't consider myself a good typer, but she looks Ethical and Sensing to me kind of.

[myresearch]

if someone owns a yacht (or anything that is worth more than a car), they are most likely not alpha NT

According to this logic:

So alpha NTs cannot born in wealthy households or inherit wealth or gain wealth. Even if they inherited or gained wealth, they wouldnt own anything worth more than a car??

[FreelancePoliceman]

According to this logic:

So alpha NTs cannot born in wealthy households or inherit wealth or gain wealth. Even if they inherited or gained wealth, they wouldnt own anything worth more than a car??

I think Alive's thinking is that they aren't likely to purposefully buy expensive things because they want expensive things.

I see where he's coming from, but I don't think that's necessarily true for ILEs. They can be status-conscious even though they often deny it, and they like cool toys. LIIs it's more true for IMO, unless they're married. The only married LIIs I've known with more-or-less good relationships with their spouses were married to ESEs, and those LIIs seemed to want to give them anything they wanted. Don't know if ESEs like yachts though. At least most ESEs I've known have seemed averse to intentionally wasting money/spending more than necessary, but that may have more to do with upbringing than type.

[myresearch]

I think Alive's thinking is that they aren't likely to purposefully buy expensive things because they want expensive things.

The word expensive is relative. For example, if somebody grew up in a wealthy househould, having a yatch is like having a cell phone, everybody owns one in their world. I know people who are very above and very below average in terms of economic income and wealth. Hence, I witnessed one can consider something as high status symbol whereas other person can find the same thing as low status.

Saying alpha NTs cant own anything more than a car, is too much caricaturization that people can draw so many wrong conclusions although it may not be his aim.

I see where he's coming from, but I don't think that's necessarily true for ILEs. They can be status-conscious even though they often deny it, and they like cool toys. LIIs it's more true for IMO, unless they're married. The only married LIIs I've known with more-or-less good relationships with their spouses were married to ESEs, and those LIIs seemed to want to give them anything they wanted. Don't know if ESEs like yachts though. At least most ESEs I've known have seemed averse to intentionally wasting money/spending more than necessary, but that may have more to do with upbringing than type.

I dont know any ILEs, you can be right. LIIs don't like to show off, but I don't think it makes them blind to status. Due to having relations with people with different economic background, I noticed that I prefer to fit in status wise, in other words, I don't want to be pointed out or point out someone's status even if it is high. When people say things to other people like you are rich, you can buy xyz without thinking right etc, that makes me cringe. I can see that other person does not know what to do, because it is their normal. It feels like a form of exclusion. Ofcourse reverse scenario would be more terrifying, luckily that rarely happens.
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[FreelancePoliceman]

The word expensive is relative. For example, if somebody grew up in a wealthy househould, having a yatch is like having a cell phone, everybody owns one in their world. I know people who are very above and very below average in terms of economic income and wealth. Hence, I witnessed one can consider something as high status symbol whereas other person can find the same thing as low status.

Saying alpha NTs cant own anything more than a car, is too much caricaturization that people can draw so many wrong conclusions although it may not be his aim.

Cell phones are more or less necessary in this world, while even for the rich owning a yacht is a status symbol. Most people who buy them hardly use them, and usually it would be less of a hassle, and less cost, to just rent or borrow one. I also don't know how owning a yacht could possibly be seen as "low status" unless you're richer than Croesus: it's a sign to the world that you have so much money you can spend a great amount of it on something frivolous.

I dont know any ILEs, you can be right. LIIs don't like to show off, but I don't think it makes them blind to status. Due to having relations with people with different economic background, I noticed that I prefer to fit in status wise, in other words, I don't want to be pointed out or point out someone's status even if it is high. When people say things to other people like you are rich, you can buy xyz without thinking right etc, that makes me cringe. I can see that other person does not know what to do, because it is their normal. It feels like a form of exclusion. Ofcourse reverse scenario would be more terrifying, luckily that rarely happens.
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It's too reductionistic, but that also doesn't mean what Alive wrote is necessarily without any truth. Would you say a multi-millionaire LII is just as likely to buy a yacht or something as, say, an SEE?

[myresearch]

Cell phones are more or less necessary in this world, while even for the rich owning a yacht is a status symbol. Most people who buy them hardly use them, and usually it would be less of a hassle, and less cost, to just rent or borrow one.

That is your point of view based on the lifestyles that you observed.

I also don't know how owning a yacht could possibly be seen as "low status" unless you're richer than Croesus: it's a sign to the world that you have so much money you can spend a great amount of it on something frivolous.

I didn't say yatch could be seen as low status. I said people can see something as high status when other people see it as low status. Just consider xyz brand model car that is not high end.

Some people have a great amount of money and it is not too much to spend for them.

It's too reductionistic, but that also doesn't mean what Alive wrote is necessarily without any truth. Would you say a multi-millionaire LII is just as likely to buy a yacht or something as, say, an SEE?

Yes, multi-millionaire LII can also buy a yatch, or they may not. Ofcourse, LII would be different than SEE. However, you seem to think that yatch is status symbol independent from the amount of wealth and lifestyle.

Besides, you know an average house cost more than a car, right?

[Alive]

I have Se as vulnerable function, I barely focus on reality. 99% of the time I'm completely in my head. I only said that it's unlikely for LII's to own a yacht because any kind of bigger purchase requires real life effort and maintanance that I don't really care for at all. never owned a car and I haven't met an LII so far that had one unless it was really necessary. I do not care at all how other people perceive me. I'm completely indifferent to status symbols. the idea of buying something like a yacht seems so foreign to me that the probability of a wealthy LII buying that is still extremly low to me even if I imagine myself in that position. I have a decent amount of savings and I buy nothing at all most of the time.

hmm considering that FP relates to my message, it makes me think that he has the same type as me, while myresearch seems a bit different.