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    I guess you would then have to put some type of metal or reasonably hard/pierce resistant material to the bottom of your shoes if the soles aren't already hard enough .
    One problem I have with this jack-of-all-functions thinking is that it fails in a competitive environment. In this kind of environment you have to rely on your strengths. You can't compete with a weak function against someone who has it as a strong function. For example if ESTj tries to compete against ENFj using Fe -> the ESTj loses for sure. Against an ENFj the ESTj has to rely on Te. Only way to win.

    It is more beneficial to direct your energy in perfecting your strongest functions than to try to force your weak functions to become stronger. Too much effort, not much results. And you still cant compete against those have it as their strength. It is beneficial to become dependent on your bike as you put it. If you have potential to be the best biker then just keep on perfecting your biking skills. Don't switch to walking. Don't try to walk against people who can run faster. That's my opinion. You can see this happening in any competitive environment from real life to all kind of games. Only way to compete successfully is to find your strengths and specialize further and further and aim for positions where those strengths are most useful. As a jack-of-all-trades you can only go so far. On higher levels of competition there are no roles for these people because you can always find an expert who does the job better. That's why I am aiming to find my strengths and perfect them to the max. Be the best biker. And if no one needs a biker in my current environment -> I search for a new environment.
    Yes that makes sense if you are competing with someone else rather than just working on improving yourself for its own sake or to help you function a bit better minus competition. In other words, if the function of an ISFp is weak perhaps it can be improved upon to help them with certain tasks... not that they will have have strong enough to compete with an IXTj in matters consistently. It is like Blaze said, she has worked on her and is now quite comfortable dealing with matters not that she will have the strength to compete with an ISXp in that area. Also assuming any of this can be done, then I guess you do not have to neglect using your strong functions in the process of developing and using the weaker ones a bit more. I think Rick has an interesting article about this on his site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megan
    Yes that makes sense if you are competing with someone else rather than just working on improving yourself for its own sake or to help you function a bit better minus competition. In other words, if the function of an ISFp is weak perhaps it can be improved upon to help them with certain tasks... not that they will have have strong enough to compete with an IXTj in matters consistently. It is like Blaze said, she has worked on her and is now quite comfortable dealing with matters not that she will have the strength to compete with an ISXp in that area. Also assuming any of this can be done, then I guess you do not have to neglect using your strong functions in the process of developing and using the weaker ones a bit more. I think Rick has an interesting article about this on his site.
    Imho you are in a competition from the day you are released from your father's testicles until the day you die. You cannot escape it. Everything is a competition in this earthly world. Because resources are scarce. Energy is scarce. Food is scarce. Even life is scarce. Every living organism is part of this system of scarcity without a means to escape (except through death but then they are not living organisms anymore). So you are in a competition whether you like it or not. It is possible to create an imaginary world in your mind where the factor of competition is removed. Then in this world the rules change. No longer it is most logical and efficient to perfect your most competitive functions. In this imaginary world you can improve your weaker functions and get satisfaction from becoming a more "complete" person. Because in a world without competition this makes sense. However optimizing your psyche for this imaginary world makes you less competitive in the real world. Still, it can make you happier to live your life in this imaginary world perfecting yourself in a more holistic way as long as you are still competitive enough to get your share of the scarce resources.

    The main points 1) You are in a competition whether you are aware of it or not and 2) Specializing is the most effective way to increase your performance in a competitive setting. What makes you happy is a more complicated thing. And if you take into account a possible afterlife it complicates things a bit more as how your actions here will affect your afterlife is an open question. If you assume an eternal afterlife it makes more sense to use this life to prepare for that. If you assume no afterlife then optimizing your performance in acquiring scarce resources makes more sense.

    It gets a bit theoretical now For some reason I don't think I'm using my ego block functions to produce this text. It might be that I'm just having fun with my 8th function in a safe setting or something. The above is how I see it in theory. In practice I'm not sure if I care enough about optimizing this or that. That is the funny thing. I can participate in these kind of theoretical arguments, it can be fun and all, but in the end they are just theoretical arguments and I don't use the results to guide my life as much as you might think. Eventually I just go by gut feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megan
    Yes that makes sense if you are competing with someone else rather than just working on improving yourself for its own sake or to help you function a bit better minus competition. In other words, if the function of an ISFp is weak perhaps it can be improved upon to help them with certain tasks... not that they will have have strong enough to compete with an IXTj in matters consistently. It is like Blaze said, she has worked on her and is now quite comfortable dealing with matters not that she will have the strength to compete with an ISXp in that area. Also assuming any of this can be done, then I guess you do not have to neglect using your strong functions in the process of developing and using the weaker ones a bit more. I think Rick has an interesting article about this on his site.
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    Imho you are in a competition from the day you are released from your father's testicles until the day you die. You cannot escape it. Everything is a competition in this earthly world. Because resources are scarce. Energy is scarce. Food is scarce. Even life is scarce. Every living organism is part of this system of scarcity without a means to escape (except through death but then they are not living organisms anymore). So you are in a competition whether you like it or not. It is possible to create an imaginary world in your mind where the factor of competition is removed. Then in this world the rules change. No longer it is most logical and efficient to perfect your most competitive functions. In this imaginary world you can improve your weaker functions and get satisfaction from becoming a more "complete" person. Because in a world without competition this makes sense. However optimizing your psyche for this imaginary world makes you less competitive in the real world. Still, it can make you happier to live your life in this imaginary world perfecting yourself in a more holistic way as long as you are still competitive enough to get your share of the scarce resources.
    Lol, Xox for a second there all I could see in your post was . I guess that philosohy is working for you but it probably would not work that well for me because I suspect that I would feel very drained and tired if I had it. I don't know, I try not to compete much externally myself (except when I play tennis ), the competition for me is usually with and within myself. Like I try to get a bit farther in my personal goals this year than last year, I guess it is just not as important to me what the other people who are in a similar life stage are doing. Not that I am totally unaware, to be honest I am aware of what others are doing ( I sometimes use it as a kind of benchmark) but I am just more concerned with my own development and my own goals most times. Other people might compare me to others but in the end I feel like my greastest adversary and competition is within myself. What I consider my failures are judged against my own original goals most often. Professionally, I really hate when others at my level know more about doing the job than me but even then I figure if I was developing within myself and reading and practicing as much as or as effectively as possible then I would most likely be on the same level, further ahead or not too far behind anyway as looking back at it in retrospect they did not usually have access to knowledge or skills that I couldn't have accessed and reasonably mastered if I wasn't so darn lazy . Usually I give up on the laziness for a little while and go and do what I need to do to function well though. In general, I think others are always going to be better than me in some things and some others not as good as me in the same things but if I am being the best that I can be and functioning at my maximum capacity and potential then that is really all I can ask of myself. I cannot ask more of myself than what I have the capacity to produce even in competition with others. Increasingly, I think that fuctioning at my maximum potential means that I develop in certain of my weak areas to help me reach my maximum but not necesarily to compete with others who are just naturally better in those areas, just to make me a bit more "rounded". Did you find Rick's article that I previously referred to?

    The main points 1) You are in a competition whether you are aware of it or not
    Who are you in competition with and why?

    2) Specializing is the most effective way to increase your performance in a competitive setting. What makes you happy is a more complicated thing. And if you take into account a possible afterlife it complicates things a bit more as how your actions here will affect your afterlife is an open question. If you assume an eternal afterlife it makes more sense to use this life to prepare for that. If you assume no afterlife then optimizing your performance in acquiring scarce resources makes more sense.
    You know Walmart is a very successful business exactly because it is not very specialised and niche. Sometimes even niche businesses become even more successful when they branch out a bit in other areas, usually after they have done well in there original market. I like to challenge myself to do and try new things anyway. Sometimes it turns out good, sometimes it doesn't but I feel the need to try anyway.

    It gets a bit theoretical now For some reason I don't think I'm using my ego block functions to produce this text. It might be that I'm just having fun with my 8th function in a safe setting or something. The above is how I see it in theory. In practice I'm not sure if I care enough about optimizing this or that. That is the funny thing. I can participate in these kind of theoretical arguments, it can be fun and all, but in the end they are just theoretical arguments and I don't use the results to guide my life as much as you might think. Eventually I just go by gut feeling.
    Which one is your eighth function? Have you found your type?

    P.S I also engage in theoretical arguments for the heck of it too if I am not very busy. Even though I often do not approach them with true seriousness, I often end up learning something new from the other person's perspective and that makes them worthwhile to me.
    Socionics: XNFx
    MBTI: INFJ

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