Ahahah. I love it how feminism is able to transform an invitation to do something better like sex into "being treated like a piece of meat" and "not being taken seriously". Get a grip.
Ahahah. I love it how feminism is able to transform an invitation to do something better like sex into "being treated like a piece of meat" and "not being taken seriously". Get a grip.
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yeah, god, the everchanging values of our century that actually give women a little freedom to react and not put up with bullshit are so fucking gay! jesus everyone should just chill out! the stone age was so much cooler when you could just bat me over the head with a club and drag me back to your cave!Originally Posted by FDG
Ahaha, those silly women, thinking we don't take them seriously enough. What a joke!
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LOLAhaha, those silly women, thinking we don't take them seriously enough. What a joke!
Ahaha, those silly women, thinking we don't take them seriously enough. What a joke!
i'd respond to how skillfully you've pointed out the irony in FDG's post, but i have to go get my husband a beer and give him a subservient blow job.
Ahaha, those silly women, thinking we don't take them seriously enough. What a joke!
i'd respond to how skillfully you've pointed out the irony in FDG's post, but i have to go get my husband a beer and give him a subservient blow job.
In all seriousness, how would INFp women react to this?
I know one ESTp who would totally do this and his ESTj girlfriend hates it. I have no idea why they are even together...
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― Anais Nin
i would think some sort of compliance or justification of his behavior, hiding their real feelings on the subject. this is just a guess and i don't have any real experience with INFps to share.
So you think I treat my gf's like a piece of meat, now? Just because I divert their attention that way? Again, I love how a quote makes you all understand the behavior of a person in relationships :SAhaha, those silly women, thinking we don't take them seriously enough. What a joke!
i'd respond to how skillfully you've pointed out the irony in FDG's post, but i have to go get my husband a beer and give him a subservient blow job.
In all seriousness, how would INFp women react to this?
I know one ESTp who would totally do this and his ESTj girlfriend hates it. I have no idea why they are even together...
By the way, I don't see what's the problem with blowjobs, or giving your boyfriend a beer. Just as there isn't any problem with cunnilingus, and giving my girlfriend a massage when she's tired. Or telling her to shut up when she's overdoing an attack, and her telling me to shut up when I'm involuntarily being an ass.
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Lol @ overreaction. What's the big deal with that? Just because I used the word "sex"? I bet if I said "oh let's go I'll give you a massage" nobody would have said anything. Jesus Christ. And there's still an underlying concept that sex is only pleasurable for the male, whereas in my mind I was suggesting an activity that would have made both parties better off in comparison to the previous situation.yeah, god, the everchanging values of our century that actually give women a little freedom to react and not put up with bullshit are so fucking gay! jesus everyone should just chill out! the stone age was so much cooler when you could just bat me over the head with a club and drag me back to your cave!
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I don't even like living in caves.
Not even if you were given the opportunity to be beaten by me, and then be raped dead?
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Is the cave damp-proof?Not even if you were given the opportunity to be beaten by me, and then be raped dead?
That's exactly what I think any time FDG talks about what ESI's are like lately.
That's exactly what I think any time FDG talks about what ESI's are like lately.What about the socioscope description I posted, Joy? What about the other descriptions that say that an ESI-Se needs "flexible diplomat capable by joke of dumping suspicion and giving faith to a favorable outcome"? Seems like your personal observations of one ESI is more important than descriptions that have been validated by a large number of experienced ones.
By the way, IEI-Ni respond well to this kind of joking too, I definitely agree. The funny thing is that, even in their regard, romantic behavior descriptions say that they need "optimistic person capable of making the atmosphere lighter". But you just won't find any in that situation, though, contradicts Ni dominance completely.
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the favorable outcome is you having sex with her?
Well...I've always payed attention to pleasing the girl as much as I please myself :wink: :wink:the favorable outcome is you having sex with her?
(btw, I think that that line isn't strong if said when you're in already in a relationship)
Doesn't seem to be particularly nice/effective to me. If both parties are equally pleased, everybody's happier afterwards, also the ESEs that can do noise out in the garden[SLEs or perhaps SxEs (lol if you rotate the letters it becomes SEx)] "tend to satisfy their physical needs before any other ones" or something along those lines.
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there's really nothing wrong with sex or diverting someone's attention in the ways you've mentioned. there also isn't anything wrong with her non-compliance. the point is that you're ESTp by what you've posted, how you interact with people, bla bla. you obviously want her to be completely submissive to you, not contradict your demands, bla bla. your Se would clash with the Se of an ISFj, i believe. i just think your ideas are really outdated and gay.
no, it has nothing to do with that honestly. when did i say i was anti-sex? i just think if you're not a Se dominant you're doing a piss poor job at giving the opposite impression.Lol @ overreaction. What's the big deal with that? Just because I used the word "sex"? I bet if I said "oh let's go I'll give you a massage" nobody would have said anything. Jesus Christ. And there's still an underlying concept that sex is only pleasurable for the male, whereas in my mind I was suggesting an activity that would have made both parties better off in comparison to the previous situation.yeah, god, the everchanging values of our century that actually give women a little freedom to react and not put up with bullshit are so fucking gay! jesus everyone should just chill out! the stone age was so much cooler when you could just bat me over the head with a club and drag me back to your cave!
What kind of ideas are outdated? That there shouldn't be any distinction between sexes? Uh?
Also, the fact that in that specific instance I reply that way cannot be used as an indicator that what I want is complete submission, c'mon now, how is that possible. Equality like in everything else.
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The difference is that you describe situations in which you try to playfully distract the girl, something that ESI's wouldn't tolerate. They need someone to tell them how and why things are going to be fine, not just brush off their concerns. And they definitely wouldn't respond well to those would don't take their Fi motivated anger seriously. They'd want to discuss it, not be distracted by someone joking around and hitting on them. (Your descriptions honestly sounds more like they way an ESI would handle a LIE who was too wound up or stressed out or something of the like, though the ESI would still want to talk about the problem after the LIE has gotten out of that EJ-stress mode that type A's are so famous for.That's exactly what I think any time FDG talks about what ESI's are like lately.
By the way, IEI-Ni respond well to this kind of joking too, I definitely agree. The funny thing is that, even in their regard, romantic behavior descriptions say that they need "optimistic person capable of making the atmosphere lighter". But you just won't find any in that situation, though, contradicts Ni dominance completely.
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It works like this.
Problem appears, ESI worried/angry/whatever.
In this state, it's pretty useless to propose any solution.
So you gotta make that "sharp change of attention" so that for a moment the ESI stops thinking about shit.
During that moment, a solution is elaborated.
Then, exactly when the worry comes back, the solution is there.
Oh, I never said ESI's aren't annoyed by that. But what does that mean? I'm annoyed when somebody tells me to be more orderly or to do something that needs to be done, but I recognize it's necessary.
Why wouldn't they. I see no reason, really. Oh yeah, what about this description, again?The difference is that you describe situations in which you try to playfully distract the girl, something that ESI's wouldn't tolerate.
[quote]4. Optimistic. He quickly reacts to everything that brings emotions, especially positive. He is as if preprogrammed for rising spirits of his dual (The Guardian) who always looks somewhat scared or angry. He permanently irradiates friendliness, positive emotions, and smiles. He tries to make his partner laugh, shakes and hassles her in all possible ways until she finally reacts, either positively or negatively, otherwise he will not have information about his condition [quote]
There seems to be pretty a lot of "theoretical" evidence, don't you think so? Now maybe you can see it better, since you said you had no clue.
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This still sounds much more like a Se type handling a Ni type than the reverse.
that sounds just like Te handling Fi in need of information to me. You may be overconcentrating on the Se Ni aspectThis still sounds much more like a Se type handling a Ni type than the reverse.
a typical example. girlfriend is in trouble because she doesn't know if the procedure she used in her homework is right so bla bla bla is being tense about it, so instead of wasting time talking about the procedure (we're on msn), i say "loooook this video on youtube much funnier bla bla", while i look for a paper that describes the procedure exactly, and then link it when the funny video has ended. pros:
- the problem has been solved
- the anxiety has gone
cons:
none.
comparatively, talking about the problem while trying to find the paper would have led to only one of the two positive effects happening.
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That is just not how it would work with ISFjs I know. You do need to stop them for a second, that is true.
With my sister I just say "hold on. Wait. Let me say something about that!" Then I approach the
subject matter from a different angle, provide Te input, etc. She really appreciates this sort of
input and from there, we come up with a solution. I just cannot imagine that a total distraction
would work for an ISFj. It is hard enough for them to open themselves up to considering alternatives,
so why would they appreciate talking about something entirely different and then go back to the issue.
That does not make any sense whatsoever...
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
It is not useless! This is exactly where the ISFj needs calm and confident Te or Ne input.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
I don't know how it works. The description says that it's very difficult and only ENTjs do it naturally. Perhaps that's why I say it works for me, and everybody says it doesn't work for them.That is just not how it would work with ISFjs I know. You do need to stop them for a second, that is true.
With my sister I just say "hold on. Wait. Let me say something about that!" Then I approach the
subject matter from a different angle, provide Te input, etc. She really appreciates this sort of
input and from there, we come up with a solution. I just cannot imagine that a total distraction
would work for an ISFj. It is hard enough for them to open themselves up to considering alternatives,
so why would they appreciate talking about something entirely different and then go back to the issue.
That does not make any sense whatsoever...
An example "Hold on ill find it, now instead look at this or do you know bla bla bla useless chatter just to stop the worry" if the isfj says "what about X" you just say "im looking wait" and that's how it goes.
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An ENTj would utilize Te until the problem is solved or until s/he hits a wall. THEN s/he will look outside. But NOT until then. And an ISFj would continue to freak out until the solution is found, funny video or not.that sounds just like Te handling Fi in need of information to me. You may be overconcentrating on the Se Ni aspectThis still sounds much more like a Se type handling a Ni type than the reverse.
a typical example. girlfriend is in trouble because she doesn't know if the procedure she used in her homework is right so bla bla bla is being tense about it, so instead of wasting time talking about the procedure (we're on msn), i say "loooook this video on youtube much funnier bla bla", while i look for a paper that describes the procedure exactly, and then link it when the funny video has ended. pros:
- the problem has been solved
- the anxiety has gone
cons:
none.
comparatively, talking about the problem while trying to find the paper would have led to only one of the two positive effects happening.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
It's useless they will bounce back the ideas and find problems that aren't there. But see, everything is already written here:It is not useless! This is exactly where the ISFj needs calm and confident Te or Ne input.
http://www.socioniko.net/en/1.3.rels/index.html
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The only way to know whether a procedure is officially considered valid is to check whether there is a published paper to cite, at least in that case. So, of course, finding outside was the only available solution.An ENTj would utilize Te until the problem is solved or until s/he hits a wall. THEN s/he will look outside. But NOT until then. And an ISFj would continue to freak out until the solution is found, funny video or not.that sounds just like Te handling Fi in need of information to me. You may be overconcentrating on the Se Ni aspectThis still sounds much more like a Se type handling a Ni type than the reverse.
a typical example. girlfriend is in trouble because she doesn't know if the procedure she used in her homework is right so bla bla bla is being tense about it, so instead of wasting time talking about the procedure (we're on msn), i say "loooook this video on youtube much funnier bla bla", while i look for a paper that describes the procedure exactly, and then link it when the funny video has ended. pros:
- the problem has been solved
- the anxiety has gone
cons:
none.
comparatively, talking about the problem while trying to find the paper would have led to only one of the two positive effects happening.
The ISFj may still freak out, but less so than just waiting.
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Which goes for most of the things we talk about on here.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
I was just speaking about that precise instance in order to counter your counter-argument, not generally. I don't understand your point honestly now...Which goes for most of the things we talk about on here.
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SoI was just speaking about that precise instance in order to counter your counter-argument, not generally. I don't understand your point honestly now...Which goes for most of the things we talk about on here.
:wink:
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
He doesn't look like a fool, he just looks like an ESTp (to me).
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Well, that's the way the professor wants it, not me! So he might be Ti, yeah.SoI was just speaking about that precise instance in order to counter your counter-argument, not generally. I don't understand your point honestly now...Which goes for most of the things we talk about on here.
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You mean Ni?It is not useless! This is exactly where the ISFj needs calm and confident Te or Ne input.
lol YESSSS!!!!!!!!!! can i point out that this is obviously an explicit example of Fe manipulation on my part?
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it's just part of being the dirty, dirty alpha SF that i am, dee.
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