Why doesdepend on
, and vice versa?
Why doesdepend on
, and vice versa?
Why doesdepend on
, and vice versa?
Why doesdepend on
, and vice versa?
Is there any information on the web explaining why these functions are interdependant on each other?
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Why doesdepend on
, and vice versa?
Why doesdepend on
, and vice versa?
Why doesdepend on
, and vice versa?
Why doesdepend on
, and vice versa?
Is there any information on the web explaining why these functions are interdependant on each other?
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I dunno, but it just sorta makes sense. If my prime mode isthen I prefer Thinking/Logic over Feeling/Ethics, and Extroversion over Introversion. Therefore my weakest would be the opposite judging (or sensing) function both in terms of the function and its direction (E vs I). So for me that would be
which is where my dependency is.
It's just like an automobile engine, where if an engineer tunes it for best performance at high RPM, its performance will probably suck at low RPM, and vice versa. Or take your typical airliner with a high speed high altitude wing design. Great for long flights at high altitude, but the efficiency of the wing flat out sucks at low speeds and altitudes. A Boeing 777 will climb circles around a 747, but the 747 is a lot faster speed wise. The 747 design trades off lift for speed, and the 777 goes for lift instead.
So a brain tuned forwill suck at
Sorry for no scientific explanation or link, but at least in the engineering "law of tradeoffs" no matter what you do to improve a design in one area, you're guaranteed to be screwing it up someplace else, and it still appears to hold true even for our brains.![]()
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16 years of bliss in an Activity relationship![]()
I can always depend on Hugo to ask the questions I just can't seem to put into words.![]()
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I learn towards the interpretation that the functions work so well together because they DON'T interact.
lean, not learn...ugh
yeah.. and because functions like, Si and Ni, cannot coexsit, because they butt-heads if they try. The only form of intuition Si can live with without disrupting Si is Ne.Originally Posted by Waddles
I think that they interact but that the product of their interaction is neutral.
In summary:
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and
are actually the same thing.
If you have a developedthen your
is automatically undeveloped. If your
is developed then your
is automatically undeveloped. They cannot be developed together. It's either one or the other.
As a result, a person with developedneeds someone with developed
.
A person with developedautomatically suppresses
in order for
to actually develop and function.
Why doesclash with
or
?
and
are two side of the same coin.
is on a seperate coin altogether.
What are your thoughts?
Pretty interesting. Why are certain functions on the same coin? Seems almost like a developmental decision-tree.
I made a post a while ago called "observation related to the hidden agenda" or something of that nature in which I linked a comparatively underdeveloped creative function to a strong hidden agenda and a comparatively underdeveloped base function to a strong dual-seeking function. I think that your ideas in this post are completely correct and that the strength of one function will grow or diminish as the strength of the function that supports it grows or diminishes.
I don't think this is anything new. It's just an interpretation of something that has already been said hundreds of times. A good interpretation, nonetheless.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Think of an on/off switch. There are not two separate buttons. There is only one switch for two functions - switching on and switching off.Originally Posted by Maxwell Demon
Could you provide a link please. Thanks.Originally Posted by tempus
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Could you provide a link of where it has already been said please. Thanks.Originally Posted by Winterpark
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I was speaking in general terms. And I 'm feeling kinda lazy and unmotivated to look up for a specific evidince.Originally Posted by Hugo
Your Fe sucks, by the way![]()
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
God, Hugo! I would hate the see the mug of the person's face you ripped off this time around! What a freak!
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Ohh yeah, and I agree with the general premise ... but I am not sure if I agree that a person who has bothand
will not be able to develop both, just one becomes the creative function and one becomes the hidden agenda. Both can be developed over time, but not at the same time.
That is sort of why I think I am confused about whether I am alogical type or an ethical type. I have tried to develope both myand my
at diffrent periods in my life and I have been confused as to what goes where. So, I am stuck somewhere between ENTp,ENFj, or INFp.
So how would you explain the functional analysis of the types? For example, an ENTP has NeTiFeSi. How would Fe be one of their active functions at all if what you say is true?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
In socionics, ENTP (ILE) is Ne-Ti-Se-Fi.
As I said, it's like an on/off switch. IfOriginally Posted by rmcnew
is on,
is off. And vice versa.
This should sort problem out:Originally Posted by rmcnew
http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1789
Does it have any significance with regards to (understanding) socionics, in particular with regards toand
.
"Without emotion, rational thought slows and disintergrates. Our reason must have emotion to engage it."
Not only that, but thinking () is done a lot better in an environment that is not unstable (
). There is also more benevolence (a desired
) associating with competency (
).
I don’t know if Fe transfers emotion to other people. There is an effect on people when, say, an EXFj walks into the room. Is it because emotion is being transferred to other people? I am guessing that Fe creates a condition for others to activate a part of them (maybe Fi) that creates the condition of motivation.
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