Vladimir Putin

[xerx]

This Georgian woman, "Vera Putina", claims to be Putin's real mother (Georgia the country, not the American state). https://worldbulletin.dunyabulteni.n...er-h32850.html

This would make his comparison with Joseph Stalin (also LSI) more or less complete.

Eat your heart out AnnaLynne McCord — better luck giving birth to the next great dictator.

[Adam Strange]

This Georgian woman, "Vera Putina", claims to be Putin's real mother (Georgia the country, not the American state). https://worldbulletin.dunyabulteni.n...er-h32850.html

This would make his comparison with Joseph Stalin (also LSI) more or less complete.

Eat your heart out AnnaLynne McCord — better luck giving birth to the next great dictator.

Did Putin have a mother? I thought he reproduced by fission, like all bacteria.


Ok, because I can't help myself, I'll say that "Vera Putina" looks ESE to me.

[ILoveChinchillas]

Did Putin have a mother? I thought he reproduced by fission, like all bacteria.

[xerx]

Did Putin have a mother? I thought he reproduced by fission, like all bacteria.

hmm, perhaps the product of the USSR's biological weapons programme?

[chriscorey]

SLI is not a leader type. And I don't know why they would be likely to look to the past for guidance. The Si also makes them weak, a forceful leader has to be able to put his base function to work. And VI is not reliable. I don't think SLI can be a serious typing for Putin.

I don't think SLI are weak. I think they're integrating.

[The Reality Denialist]

This Georgian woman, "Vera Putina", claims to be Putin's real mother (Georgia the country, not the American state). https://worldbulletin.dunyabulteni.n...er-h32850.html

This would make his comparison with Joseph Stalin (also LSI) more or less complete.

Eat your heart out AnnaLynne McCord — better luck giving birth to the next great dictator.

Yes, makes you question reality of the claim due to Stalin even harder.
But anyway her pic reminds me of this meme

[Tarnished]

I don't think SLI are weak. I think they're integrating.

SLI can be good at physical fighting/activities, but they are very bad at being intimidating toward other people. After playing Cyberpunk 2077 a little bit, I can see it clearly that Keanu Reeves was so bad at acting like a pussy asshole playboy.

Of course they are not really weak, but they can look a bit weak from the outside.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think if SEE is divide and conqueror LSI is divide and rule.

[Park]

SLIs are neither weak nor strong. They are vigilant and protective. Defensive rather than offensive. They will never attack or go after you but will fuck you up if they absolutely have to.

[welcometomania]

mb LSE 😬

[Averroes]

Beta who’s willing to destroy the world out of principle/some hyper specific narrative that only exists in his head

[Metamorph]

Beta who’s willing to destroy the world out of principle/some hyper specific narrative that only exists in his head

You mean the narrative of money, pieces of paper with faces on them that have no real value in the world? I wasn't aware betas were supposed to value Te.

[Clarke]

I would generally say that Putin seems to be decent at Fe. I also think that he seems logical, and that he seems pretty in-tune with Se (based on the publicized pictures at least). Due to Ukraine, I'm not so sure about his ability to use Ni, although maybe he used it badly due to some kind of pandemic-induced psychological stress. I would generally say that Fe role doesn't fit him, or at least there's no evidence of it. In some of his older interviews, I think he sort of wears a Fe-based mask.

[Clarke]

You mean the narrative of money, pieces of paper with faces on them that have no real value in the world? I wasn't aware betas were supposed to value Te.

He wrote some stuff about Greater Russia at some point, but that might not have been his genuine belief system. I don't really think he cares about money though. It seems more like he cares about power, and uses money to achieve that goal.

[Metamorph]

He wrote some stuff about Greater Russia at some point, but that might not have been his genuine belief system. I don't really think he cares about money though. It seems more like he cares about power, and uses money to achieve that goal.

...I mean, isn't that why almost everyone values money?

[Clarke]

...I mean, isn't that why almost everyone values money?

For some people, money is a vehicle to power. For others, power is a vehicle to money.

[Metamorph]

For some people, money is a vehicle to power. For others, power is a vehicle to money.

...I mean, why would you want money except for power? Sure, financial security is a concern, but once you really have power you're at risk of things like assassinations and in more danger than you would be if you were a hobo.

[PussyInASarcophagus]

Beta who’s willing to destroy the world out of principle/some hyper specific narrative that only exists in his head

'Putin is evil because......he JUST IS OK?'

[Poptart]

I think Putin would be more honest about his finances if he didn’t care about money. I doubt he lives in that 800 sq. ft. apartment on $140,000/year considering his luxury watch collection alone is probably worth more than his apartment and yearly salary combined. Doesn’t really add up lol.

[Averroes]

'Putin is evil because......he JUST IS OK?'

Whatever high level geopolitical grievance he has doesn’t justify killing innocent civilians

[PussyInASarcophagus]

Whatever high level geopolitical grievance he has doesn’t justify killing innocent civilians

That can be said for any other politician really. We are far too regressed from being a self sustainable world.

[Clarke]

his politics is kinda so/sp

not sure about Enneatype ...not a reactive&group_power-oriented one probably.
Compare him to Malcolm X for whom socio-cultural ideology defended "by all means possible" (including by sword) was the priority.

e1w2 makes more sense, given his rigidity and "snake-like" control.

I always got the impression that he was more 8-like. He likes power, and I'm not entirely sure that he cares about being corrupt. He just didn't really seem to have elements of that during his rule of Russia in general.

I remember him as being a charismatic, very socially skilled guy. His interactions with others were almost sort of playful sometimes, but I would say that he always seemed on-guard.

I think his behavior lately might be uncharacteristic of him. Some people have speculated that covid made him stressed or isolated somehow. And enneagram 8's are known for choosing quick solutions to problems when they're stressed...

Edit: Putin seems like a man who would use the social sphere to fuel himself and his own safety or personal resources. So I would say that he's Sp over So.

[Clarke]

...I mean, why would you want money except for power? Sure, financial security is a concern, but once you really have power you're at risk of things like assassinations and in more danger than you would be if you were a hobo.

I mean personally, I guess I would want money for personal projects. That's pretty detached from power. I'm not entirely sure whether I'd be using money to get power, or power to get money. I guess I'm more of a money to get power kind of person. Business, in principle, seems like it would be the opposite.

Maybe my desire to do personal projects is a sort of power over the environment or a certain field of interest. So I guess in my case, money would be a vehicle for power.

[Ave]

I'm not the best at morality, but Ukrainians aren't his citizens. To him, it seems like they're basically an enemy that's in the way of his plans to help Russia or accomplish some major goal. I think that's basically his justification for killing them.

I guess we could say that Putin has no reason to protect or spare them, since he has no obligation to. But then again, this is coming from someone who would probably be morally neutral in DnD.

This post seems analytical enough. Your true neutral status is conserved.

[Djangr]

LSI

[Sol]

for famouses the most appropriate typing approach is intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior
with this noobs would do lesser of mistakes. also the lack of data and of assurance in own skills arises the conformism

such noobs assign LSI to Putin (ILI) and SEE to Trump (EIE)

[Renna]

I could see Putin as Fe unvalue, as he seem has no sign of Fe unlike Xi Jinping - who I’m pretty sure LSI. But not sure if he’s ILI, as he give more J lead vibe.

Now I realize he has vibes like Tywin Lannister lol. LIE N maybe

And yeah Trump could be EIE

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Mb IEI

https://youtu.be/F0_0WqUuh9E

[Djangr]

Putin is hard to type because he is only showing his public persona. He does have alot of his ego invested in that is he a good fighter. He is using alot controlling with use of fear and reward but that could be of his position. LSI.

[CR400AF]

I could see Putin as Fe unvalue, as he seem has no sign of Fe unlike Xi Jinping - who I’m pretty sure LSI. But not sure if he’s ILI, as he give more J lead vibe.

Now I realize he has vibes like Tywin Lannister lol. LIE N maybe

And yeah Trump could be EIE

Xi has unfocused eyes which doesn't seem LSI IMO. Putin's eyegaze is extremely focused IMO. which doesn't seem to be LIE. LIEs usually have sharp and distant looks.

[CR400AF]

Putin is hard to type because he is only showing his public persona. He does have alot of his ego invested in that is he a good fighter. He is using alot controlling with use of fear and reward but that could be of his position. LSI.

I mostly agree. In today's world, politicians often have large teams. In fact their teams are responsible for so much that it's hard to judge their type directly by things like speeches, decisions, etc. I think many politicians today are not typed correctly. Especially those who argue that the vast majority of politicians are of the LSI or EIE type. However, I will admit that Putin does seem to be LSI.

[Renna]

Xi has unfocused eyes which doesn't seem LSI IMO. Putin's eyegaze is extremely focused IMO. which doesn't seem to be LIE. LIEs usually have sharp and distant looks.

So what type do you think of Xi instead? EIE or IEI possible ?

How about Stalin, do you think he vibe similar to Putin?

[Renna]

Btw watch some Putin young picture yeah he look more like ST, but not sure if LSI, his face look more blank lifeless than young Stalin. I wonder if SLI is an option



LSI I think would look like Christian Bale character (Dark knight?), with Fe hidden agenda smile, which Stalin also did in his old pictures. Putin just pure plank.

Or Stalin could be SLE?

P/S: V.I bullshitting aside, LSI is till the most viable typing for Putin I think, his Fe just very torn down lol

[Expansion]

I think of ILI vs LSI, in what nixes intuitive is his grasp on detail KGB work that was his lifetime ambition.

In Germany, when the iron curtain fell in '89, he was standing by the phone waiting for orders that never came from Moscow. He was as traumatized by the vacuum event and felt defeated and desecrated.

ILI types are future visionary types and progressive, not hamstrung by the past traditions.

His vision is what once was, and is obsessed with that ambition to bring everthing to 'what once was'.

He doesn't have an ounce of progressive thinking, he's in a loop of the past living in that messianic bubble.

[Sol]

Putin (INTP) and Sobchak (ENTJ), 1991-1993, Finland

[on a peaceful hiatus]

speaks german extremly well, almost perfect to be honest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAjjmsEwUvQ

plays piano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmYrXSdIz1Q

apparently has asperger syndrome

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...agon/22855927/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq3gCfDyZ4c

yeah, I think IEI

[Beautiful sky]

Still ISTP

[Sol]

in 1990s

[Adam Strange]

SLI.

I've known SLIs all my long life. My father, my ex-wife, my son, 20% of the people I've worked with.
I've know LSIs since I was twenty. Dated them, worked with them.

Putin is SLI.

[Aster]

He’s one of the people I think of when I think of LSI. So, yes, I def agree with LSI as his type. I’d also guess him as a Dominant subtype in model G.