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    At my work there are 3 ESTP's. All of them ofcourse very powerfull personality's. Who make fun of everyone and with everyone all day long.

    But when we went on a trip to do some climbing and abseiling, all three of them were scared to death.
    One of them even refused to participate. Fear of hights was their main reason I think.

    I find this a big contradiction. Se is supposed to make them fearless, but at the same time it seems to give them fear too.
    Anyone else has this experience or noticed this?

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    you must confuse SLE with Superman.
    IEI - the nasty kind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by little red riding hood
    you must confuse SLE with Superman.
    haha, yes.

    Stil it's strange that their bravery isn't always there.

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    SLE is aggressively self-protective; not reckless. The 'fearless' factor presents itself in situations requiring defense of their ideals and self-interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat View Post
    SLE is aggressively self-protective; not reckless. The 'fearless' factor presents itself in situations requiring defense of their ideals and self-interests.


    any other descriptions of this? i know SLEs tend to not take emotional risks, but the ones i know seem ok with physical ones

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    I guess it depends on their E-type. E8 ESTPs can be very brave in an even dumb sense, of getting into fights they know they will lose and get kicked out, etc. E6 ESTP when counterphobic can be like that too, even more reckless. But if you take other E-types, they won´t be like these. E3 ESTP will not risk like these, neither E7, nor E9, which I've seen are possible E-types for ESTP.

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    e9 ESTp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    e9 ESTp?
    Yes, usually a 9w8... Ronaldo the football player is an example I met him personally and he´s an E9w8 ESTP. E9 is very strong, if it has an 8 wing, it can be ESTP. But of course if your understanding of socionics is only theoretical, or if you don´t know many 9w8s, this might seem improbable.

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    yes that's a clear description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbrat
    SLE is aggressively self-protective; not reckless. The 'fearless' factor presents itself in situations requiring defense of their ideals and self-interests.
    that sounds accurate. i've dealt closely with an SLE lady lately and i think i make her nervous about her self-interests, though. she acts too kiss-assery with me or something, though. i find the bit on the socionics.com profile about "willing to take great risks but not without good reason" to be pretty accurate in describing their personalities. they're all pretty slick in this regard.

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    They're either not SLEs, or SLEs differ hugely.

    I despise roller coasters, bungie jumping and skydiving i.e. all the stuff that traditionally gives you a rush. I don't like them. They don't give me a rush, they just make me feel out of control and like shit. But climbing and abseiling? They're just brilliant. That's about danger, not the rush. And SLEs should typically thrive off it. Are you sure they're SLEs?

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    It has been claimed that Se is more about seeking social dominance than being brave. E.g. ISTps seem much more "brave" to me as they tend to just ignore dangers or even seek them. Especially dangers related to nature e.g. being in high places or chasing storms or getting close to dangerous animals etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    They're either not SLEs, or SLEs differ hugely.

    I despise roller coasters, bungie jumping and skydiving i.e. all the stuff that traditionally gives you a rush. I don't like them. They don't give me a rush, they just make me feel out of control and like shit. But climbing and abseiling? They're just brilliant. That's about danger, not the rush. And SLEs should typically thrive off it. Are you sure they're SLEs?
    It were the more dangerous elements. also hanging from a cable with wheel downhill. (tockelen?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoX
    It has been claimed that Se is more about seeking social dominance than being brave. E.g. ISTps seem much more "brave" to me as they tend to just ignore dangers or even seek them. Especially dangers related to nature e.g. being in high places or chasing storms or getting close to dangerous animals etc.
    yep. and to add: burglary.

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    Well type issues aside, people who can't admit weaknesses/fears in themselves, and instead have to act 'macho' all the time and make fun of people, are clearly compensating are they not?

    True power is admitting you are afraid when you are afraid. It's not about bullying a weaker person to hide your own insecurities. True strength is realizing you have a weakness. True power is crying, and being a fag. Sometimes, at least.

    Everybody wants to be strong. But no matter how strong you get, there will always be things that can kill you/wear you down. You will always have fears. If you didn't have fears then you would just be reckless lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Well type issues aside, people who can't admit weaknesses/fears in themselves, and instead have to act 'macho' all the time and make fun of people, are clearly compensating are they not?

    True power is admitting you are afraid when you are afraid. It's not about bullying a weaker person to hide your own insecurities. True strength is realizing you have a weakness. True power is crying, and being a fag. Sometimes, at least.

    Everybody wants to be strong. But no matter how strong you get, there will always be things that can kill you/wear you down. You will always have fears. If you didn't have fears then you would just be reckless lol.
    You should use your own post as lyrics, record a video of yourself singing and post it in the youtube. "Everybody wants to be strong" sounds as the Leonard Cohen "Everybody knows" to me.

    Wait, IEI are called lyricists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    At my work there are 3 ESTP's. All of them ofcourse very powerfull personality's. Who make fun of everyone and with everyone all day long.
    Bullies tend to harass others, but that's because they hate themselves, and harm others out of envy.

    But when we went on a trip to do some climbing and abseiling, all three of them were scared to death.
    One of them even refused to participate. Fear of hights was their main reason I think.

    I find this a big contradiction. Se is supposed to make them fearless, but at the same time it seems to give them fear too.
    Anyone else has this experience or noticed this?
    That's not necessary "bad". I don't like to get involved in extreme sports, and everybody knows that. I always say:"Why does that guy beat the world record in breaking bricks with his forehead? He'd better do something pleasant".
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