Can't think of any off the top of my head. LSE's seem to be under represented in anime.
Can't think of any off the top of my head. LSE's seem to be under represented in anime.
lol that's not so surprising seeing as how anime is pretty INFp
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I know what you mean. I'm interested in something along the same line - Korean dramas. I love how the male character who is so full of passion finds it hard to express his love verbally to the girl he admires and choose to help her in the background instead, even though he seems to be misunderstood and always arguing with her on the surface. <333 However, the best part in these dramas is that there are always two male leading characters with great potential trying to fight for her and the girl didn't know who to choose because both of them really love her for who she is. <33333 Fighting for the chance to be with the girl he loves despite all adversaries is the hottest thing a guy can do for a girl. :wink:Originally Posted by introspectivedolphin
Is it really?
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Phaedrus
it went something like this:
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
ashton: INTj
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
ashton: i told you he's INTj
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
ashton: INTp
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
ashton: ENFj
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
ashton: ESFp
me: HEY EVERYBODY WHAT TYPE IS PHAEDRUS DISCUSS
ashton: ISTp
somebody else: says something to which ron jeremy is somehow relevant to the discussion
me: HEY EVERYBODY ASHTON SAYS PHAEDRUS IS ISTp
me: WHAT SUBTYPE IS PHAEDRUS ASHTON
ashton: ron jeremy
me: HEY EVERYBODY PHAEDRUS IS ISTp ron jeremy SUBTYPE ASHTON SAYS SO.
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I heartily agree on Prince Muishkin, at least in so far as the snippet (about ten pages or so) I just read, and with Dr. Watson.
I think that the Underground Man (from Dostoevsky's Notes From the Underground) could be INFj as well (though an incredibly dark one).
http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng...c/DosNote.html
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Misutii thought the main character of Notes from the Underground was an unhealthy INFp , so maybe the unhealthiness\darkness makes him difficult to type. Dostoevsky seems to favour INFj characters in his books, generally, which makes sense if it was his type - it wouldn't be very good logic to say that characters must therefore be a INFj though .
Prince Muishkin does indeed come across as a good example of an INFj.
from what i remember about the movie, she was good @ providing structure to the kids' lives while maintaining a fair amount of discipline & conservatism. apparently in the books more than the disney movie she is described as "stern and vain" (as per the wikipedia article i just read on her.) she also denies having any supernatural powers when asked about them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Po...28character%29
it doesn't really seem like an entirely bad typing. i also read an INFj typing from some source (maybe socionics.org.)
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That's hard to say. I could see it going either way. I identified somewhat with the Underground Man, but more so with Muishkin. I'd figured that being underground had maladapted him, but hmm? I could see how he could get where he was, but it all seemed extreme to me (like if I had made all sorts of decisions differently, yet the decisions faced were all the same). Maybe maybe maybe, eh?
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Holmes would probably flip out if he saw how some go about "typing" in this forum.Originally Posted by ;231563
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Hmmmm
Can anyone think of actual, good examples, of positive LSE figures, in literature or in videogames, or movies, or anything? I'm looking for some.
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I think an exemplary ESTj is the titular character in George Eliot's Adam Bede. His brother also seemed to be a pretty evident INFj. I didn't read far enough to ascertain a type on Adam's eventual love interest though.
Here is a link to where the original text can be found.
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/507
Eliot herself may have been a Delta NF (probably INFj, I think). I found the literary criticism of the book outlined in the wiki article to be rather interesting, as it described the main flaw as being an overly moralizing tone in the narration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Bede
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I was thinking fictional, but anything that seems to fit delta is welcome.
TV show:
The Rifleman
LSE maybe? Only saw one episode but the theme seemed decidely delta. The protagonist throws out Te left and right while stressing Ne and Fi ideals.
Movies:
All Roads Lead Home
Less so the characters as the movie itself (though I thought the grandfather was ExTj and there are likely other deltas in the cast). I'll warn you, it is not a good movie if you look into it. The only notable thing besides that it seemed delta was the fact that the movie was filmed within about 50 miles of where I live. It also won some kind of film award, but I suspect foul play.
Anyway, I'll add more if I think of anything.
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Chad Lowe in "Fielder's Choice". LSE (or possibly SLI), with a strong focus on Delta values throughout the movie, particularly in Philips behavior and motives.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
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Bud White and Lynn Bracken in L.A. Confidential.
Not sure, but they are very aloof and at the same time very intense.
I was wondering hard for Bud's type but Lynn is clearly xNFx, i would say... INFJ
She displays little Fe despite her "job".
She shows deep Ne insight (she knows what's going to happen if X goes like this or like that, is a good strategist).
She holds on strong values : no lies ever, concern for others, a need to return to her home despite all the glorious dreams of hollywood.
She's very private and does not trust easily, except for Bud.
She does not have lavish material tastes : it's only for her business, her chambers remain simple and modest with a souvenir from her home.
Only Bud has access to her sanctuary. She feels as a hole with him. No need for words, she knows what's going on inside the man.
As for the mentioned Bud... makes me wonder. If someone's watched the movie, a little help would be appreciated
For what i've observed, he is equally low on Fe, even when he uses physical violence.
He is concerned by his intellectual abilities (wants to demonstrate proper investigations/deductions).
He's annoyed by political manipulation. Has a thing against Exley because his behaviour does not seem trustworthy (low Ne ?)
He stubbornly punishes violent husbands.
He's more concerned by getting the right thing done than doing it in a proper way. It's very efficient, with no waste of time/energy (is that Si or Se ???)
He doesn't care too much about wealth (he happily gives any money he finds to the widow, or to the poor beaten woman).
He doesn't try to convince others. They are either cooperative, or reluctant. If they are reluctant, he does not use persuasion but basic violence.
They may be aloof LSE with confident EII it's a beautiful couple anyway.
That's an exercise i like !
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I'd be more inclined to put Bud as some kind of Se ego, possibly gamma > beta? Lynn is at least conceivably EII. It's been forever and a day since I've seen the movie but I can't think of anything that is startlingly against that type except for the calculated fling with Exxel, though I forget the reason behind that.
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they were manipulated by the Capt.
Lynn states clearly she was persuaded to help Bud. She wouldn't have done it otherwise.
First time i saw the movie, i wasn't particurlaly fan of this couple, but i've watched it last sunday and this time, something in her demeanor reminded me of myself ! So i've paid very close attention.
As for Bud, i can't type him. All i can say is i appreciate his no fuss behaviour and his strong values.
i think of another movie right now, but maybe i'll be wrong again... it's "Dead Poets Society". it's about finding your own path Neil Perry sounds ENFP to me.
Nothing says Delta + America like John Wayne. In any role.
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Well John Wayne was known and renown for that kinda solid, tough-as-nails persona that not a small number of ESTjs seem to really take to. In general he seems a lot more grounded than ENTjs, and I think he kinda exudes Delta values pretty strongly. ENTjs typically seem kinda removed from their environment or something to me, as do ENFjs (Si PoLR), and while I admit that's a subjective impression, it serves me well to distinguish Alphas and Deltas from Betas and Gammas.
Why do you think he's ENTj?
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I think John Wayne is ESTj. I'd wager Te sub though. In that respect I can see how ENTj might be a plausible mistake. I'd find it hard to relax around that dude.
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i looked him up in the archives, most agree ESTj too. it was an impression and now, i'm "readjusting" my impression. and readjusting my view of my type. john wayne is my activator or even identical. when i get "in my head" too much i pop one of his movies in and it gets me back on track. true grit is in my top 3 movies. hubby called me "john wayne in a skirt" when he first met me. i am very much about rugged individualism in my life. irl, i dont take shit from anybody. online, most are not worth the effort, to me.
as you can see, this typing is important to my understanding my own type...i saved the pic you posted of him and hubby wants a tshirt made of it. one of my favorite lines in one of his movies is when a rustler wanting to steal his cattle asks him "is that all you got?" and he replies "that's WHAT i got."
anyway, i'll leave it here since i have a tendency to derail threads going off on a tangent about how it relates to me.......
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