George Carlin

[intjguy]

A man amongst men. The kind of man you wish everyone would read about in the bible.

[Gilly]

Switching my vote to LIE. Seems obvious now.

[posablethumb]

entj

[Gilly]

I think Carlin is probably a good example of an LIE cp 6w7 sp/so. Definitely cp 6, I think: he's all about challenging popular perception.

[xyz]

He's my favorite funny man, really gets me to think.

[intjguy]

Rest in Peace George Carlin.

[Animal]

LSI?

[Skeptic]

yeh, we discussed him a bit here. I think there were SLE, LSI and ILE typings in there.

However, I didn't look further than the second page, so there may be flame wars about...

[Animal]

Ah k, thanks Skeptic. I missed that thread. Interesting discussion.

[mfckr]

In as ISTj before the ENTps come along and claim him as their own.

[Gilly]

LSI-Se ftw. My favorite since I can remember, and a dj clone.

[Animal]

Watched the clip with Jon Stewart... LSI makes the most sense.

[xerx]

In as ISTj before the ENTps come along and claim him as their own.

lol who claimed him? I'm pretty sure at this point he's beta ST. I don't get any Ne valuing in his sense of humor.

[Aleksei]

I think SLE-Se.

[WVBRY]

Hes Se LSI. Theres not a drop of alpha blood in him, anyone who says so might as well claim Howard Stern is alpha lol.

[Raver]

*Bump*

LSI WTF? I type George Carlin as Ti-ILE. Almost everything he says is + . People type him too much on his most recent comedy performances. If you look back to the performances of the 1970s primarily, you can see he has a much more pleasant playful tone. It becomes apparent that he is an indeed an Alpha. The dark cynical Carlin is something that evolved slowly over time as he got older. Here is probably a better representation of his true personality:

[Blaze]

We ILEs do get darker and more cynical as we age. I still a m not sure of his type though. Def seems more playful and out of the box in this clip.

[ashlesha]

i like this old thread.

[Radio]

omfg i just looked this thread up on google because i was randomly reminded of george carlin while talking to a friend

KASSIE GET OUT OF MY MIND

[ashlesha]

i'd like to own up to having psychic powers but its just that sometimes i sift through threads shown in who's online for stuff to read.

[Radio]

oh wtf lol never mind

[silke]

Updated typing: LSI-Se

sp/so 5w6

P-A type in the NPA type model.

[Narc]

​I have a pet theory that stand-up comedians that tell punchline jokes in a rapidfire fashion (Jimmy Carr, Stephen Wright, etc) tend to be irrational types and ranters (Louis CK, George Carlin, etc) tend to be rational.

It's congruent with the whole rational "should be/should not be" and irrational "this is what it is/ this is what it isn't" thing.

[Absurd]

*Bump*

LSI WTF? I type George Carlin as Ti-ILE. Almost everything he says is + . People type him too much on his most recent comedy performances. If you look back to the performances of the 1970s primarily, you can see he has a much more pleasant playful tone. It becomes apparent that he is an indeed an Alpha. The dark cynical Carlin is something that evolved slowly over time as he got older. Here is probably a better representation of his true personality:

George Carlin said: "the wrong two Beatles died first."

Now I know why he isn't in my Quadra.

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[Reficulris]

he's really funny! Reminds me of Bill Hicks.

[Olly From Wally World]

Undoubtedly ego with as well. Humor and focus revolves around what's going on in the background () that people aren't seeing while also judging people's actions (usually as illogical) in regards to it (). Typical ILI and even fits the archetype 'critic'. ILI>LIE>LSI>ILE. He's very gamma in what he talks about and 'serious' in as so much as there only really being one truth or right action, irregardless of your reasoning. He doesn't fit alpha, even the stereotypes, aside from being a comedian. Overall, everything about him, his skits and what he says shows Gamma NT to me. Fairly easy case.

As far as NTs go, ILEs and ILIs would be quite different in comedy. I would compare him with ILE- Kevin Hart (although an african american cultural influence is in his humor). Now that is Alpha as fuck, even thought that while watching it. Filled with connections and jumping back and forth between these things. As far as logic goes, creatives have a 'slickness' to them, in that they don't care as much about like LXI's do but can always give a good excuse or logical reasoning for their irrationality and Kevin's stuff is full of that. He'll say shit like, "I didn't panic when I lost her (his daughter), the reason why was because we were the only ones in the park. I knew eventually I would run into her again so I took my time to get on rides that she couldn't get on, because she's only five, she can't do everything." Haha, maybe shows being in tune to emergent opportunities and him justifying his irresponsibility. But that's just one, you will surely see his stuff filled with this in his videos. You'll notice creative comedy skits being filled with their personal reasonings that you won't see much of in ego comedians like Carlin as they won't see as much of a need to explain rather than just judge actions or say what happened, is happening or will happen, based on them. Kevin even has a skit called "let me explain" which is filled with his reasonings.

[Olly From Wally World]

Hahaha.


Edit: Oh, and the idea of an LSI comedian is comical in itself. Not that there's none, I just want someone to link me to one or two. I wanna see that.

[ConcreteButterfly]

ILE

his skit on religion was great

[Tigerfadder]

i might not be agreed with but Fe lead type

[Jake]

I'd say LSE

[The Reality Denialist]

Just listening:
Lists lots of concrete details what he perceives to be the case. Bit of action. I think he is quite dynamic. Talks a lot about colors. Originality seems to be favored but it is more of centered around his own experiences. Not that daring at all. I think I'd place him in serious dichotomy. Talks about his relations to certain objects. I think valuing while not ego type. Assertiveness comes out frequently.

LSE could work.

[Raver]

I still think he's Ti-ILE, he reminds me of Bill Hicks, which is another ILE who is likely Ne subtype. However, I'm open to other types, but not LSI, which I can't buy for him. You had to give it to him though, he definitely had balls, may he RIP:

[The Reality Denialist]

Yes, LSI is near impossibility. I think he is very rooted to this world. Logical sensing person is my guess. He actually went bit further later in his life but his earlier material is very earthy indeed.

[Cosmic Teapot]

He's LSI and who ever types him as Ne-Dom has a pretty distorted understanding of what extroverted intuition is and does...or just never listens to him.
His commentary is clear cut, logical, "no bullshit". He rants about real life problems, social problems, impractical ideas and plans. He rejects everything else.


"That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it."

"Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day[...]
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!"

"Some people see the glass half full. Others see it half empty.
I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be."


That's Ne? Thinking for oneself, demanding evidence and making fun of something that has no evidence. That's Ne? No it's logic. It's sarcasm. No more no less.


No LSI comedians? WTF. One must be thinking LSI are some hyper-practical ignorant people with no interest in the greater picture. People who live their live with their heads down forming conservative opinions.
You think Einstein, Stephen Fry or whichever LIE will get up there on a stage, take a micro and start a well planned, structured rant about current society, impractical development politics and how people make everything more difficult than it should be when the answer right in front of their nose? When things can be solved by common sense and critical thinking? He utilizes precise words, accumulation, hyperbole and emotional enhancement. Not what-if/what-could be scenarios that support some overly theoretical or radical ideas.


"They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests..."

"I don't have pet peeves - I have major psychotic fucking hatreds."


Stratiyeveskaya-ENTp:

Don Quixote - dreamer and dreamer, who is fascinated by his ideas and who carries along by them others. The indifference of those surrounding to his own concept is received by it extremely painfully. People, which do not know how and which do not desire to dream, irritate it. The landed "realists", who receive its dreams as empty and measly fantasies, risk to find in its face of ardent and irreconcilable enemy.

To open the new horizons and new prospects in all the fields of scientific, creative and social and political activity - is such their high destination.[...]Understanding the sense of new phenomenon, it already reflects about the possibilities of its application.

Here is where the misunderstanding comes from. George Carlin is no "dreamer" he has no time for ungrounded theories or distant plans - instead he criticizes peoples actions and beliefs in the here and now, because the here and now gives him all the facts and examples he needs to get his message across.
He wants his opinions and emotions to get out there. That's Beta territory not Alpha and it's certainly not Fi-Polr.


What he says about his performances:
"But when you're in front of an audience and you make them laugh at a new idea, you're guiding the whole being for the moment. No one is ever more him/herself than when they really laugh. Their defenses are down. It's very Zen-like, that moment. They are completely open, completely themselves when that message hits the brain and the laugh begins. That's when new ideas can be implanted. If a new idea slips in at that moment, it has a chance to grow."


He is lecturer but also a deliberate drama queen. Where is the Si-ds function? There is none. That's Fe-ds. He wants the audience to understand some things and if you like you can call it "ideas". In his view, when people are charged with positive emotions (laughter), there is a possibility to make them think. To change their position. It's what an EIE would do with an LSI who does not change his positions easily.
(Notice that "ideas" are not reserved for ENTp's and ENFp's)
He gives his audience what he understands about himself. That's all everyone of us can do: understand what moves us and share it.

[strangeling]

He's heavy on Ni. Don't care to say any more than that.

[khcs]

George Carlin - INFJ - Dostoyevski - social critic - Plastic

[Poptart]

Bump

I just watched an hbo documentary about George Carlin without knowing anything about him other than he was a comedian.

Still not sure about his type.

[Adam Strange]

Bump

I just watched an hbo documentary about George Carlin without knowing anything about him other than he was a comedian.

Still not sure about his type.

I think that George Carlin might have been SLE. I know an SLE who has the same aggressive approach to conversations.
In the video of Carlin in @khcs's post #36 above, Carlin's humor consists of pointing out logical absurdities, which is very Ti. Also, in his later years, he focused on the way that the people in charge of this country were abusing their power, which is an e8 concern. I'd talk about this myself, but it's kind of pointless, TBH.

You can contrast Carlin's humor with that of LIE Jimmy Kimmel, whose humor is pointed and personal and makes fun of people's ignorance, or that of e3 SEE Jackie Gleason in The Honeymooners, whose humor revolved around his lack of social standing (e3), his physical (Se) threats to send his wife to the moon, and his deep (Fi) love for his wife and best friend.

Carlin's humor reminds me of SLE Bill Burr's humor, who also points out logical absurdities and the infringement of social customs on his rights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA

[ILoveChinchillas]

LSI Se

[rizz]

I think that George Carlin might have been SLE. I know an SLE who has the same aggressive approach to conversations.
In the video of Carlin in @khcs's post #36 above, Carlin's humor consists of pointing out logical absurdities, which is very Ti. Also, in his later years, he focused on the way that the people in charge of this country were abusing their power, which is an e8 concern. I'd talk about this myself, but it's kind of pointless, TBH.

You can contrast Carlin's humor with that of LIE Jimmy Kimmel, whose humor is pointed and personal and makes fun of people's ignorance, or that of e3 SEE Jackie Gleason in The Honeymooners, whose humor revolved around his lack of social standing (e3), his physical (Se) threats to send his wife to the moon, and his deep (Fi) love for his wife and best friend.

Carlin's humor reminds me of SLE Bill Burr's humor, who also points out logical absurdities and the infringement of social customs on his rights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA

I'd love Carlin and Burr as SLE's, though I'm not truly convinced about both of their types being as SLE. I have to see that documentary, lol. I used to love Carlin back in my more liberal days, not sure how I feel about his views these days