"it doesn't matter where you are, the moon will always find you."
SLE play the victim role so nicely.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
So he find confort with Fi :roll: ? ESTp ? are u sure ?The only times I really feel like I'm helping him is when I explain to him why he shouldn't judge people so much/why he should be considerate/how sometimes it's safer to stic to boring topics of conversation...
I get close to be banned from personnalitycafe because Ive do many shit about percieved mistyped Ni dom, it seem I will do the same here... I often ask myself if my perception of function are totally wrecked or its other who cant identify their proper function used...
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
Yeah i feel the same way about duality too. I feel dual's help but i am not sure what I am bringing to the table.Originally Posted by octo
I find it difficult to work out what it is exactly that I bring to the relationship... it's obvious how much he helps me with his Se, but it's kind of hard for me to see what I do with Ni, although I suppose I could be a positive influence. The only times I really feel like I'm helping him is when I explain to him why he shouldn't judge people so much/why he should be considerate/how sometimes it's safer to stic to boring topics of conversation... but we usually have these conversations when he's drunk, so I'm not sure how much he takes in
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
This dynamic does typify ESTp-INFp duality, so far as I can tell. SLE will accept, actually needs, this kind of correction from an IEI dual, and will absorb it somewhat from an activity partner maybe (though activity may just give less of it), but probably not so much from others.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Thats a possibility... Thats strange, when my ex LSE girfriend was giving-Se like advice, I was never really ok with that... Sometime in a way I feel obligated to give "moral lessons".And here the advice seem REALLY Fi, in a way that would hurt a ESTp polr.
off topic : your signature inspire me.
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
That's not Fi, it's something F-fxns could produce, in certain contexts maybe even N and T-fxns as well, depending on the perimeters. What octo said about her relation with her bf struck me as F-ego, but I wouldn't attribute that viewpoint strictly to any IE or type. Functions are not ideologies or viewpoints.
Sound right. I think Ive never see any IEI or EIE in my life, all what I know is a product of my imagination when it come to these type (as well as ILI, LII, LIE).
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
I told an SLE woman once that we couldn't be drinking and smoking weed and fucking like gonzo porn actors all the time, when there were two little children (her children!) upstairs sleeping, and that's when shit hit the fan. I guess she found out I was not IEI after allI find it difficult to work out what it is exactly that I bring to the relationship... it's obvious how much he helps me with his Se, but it's kind of hard for me to see what I do with Ni, although I suppose I could be a positive influence. The only times I really feel like I'm helping him is when I explain to him why he shouldn't judge people so much/why he should be considerate/how sometimes it's safer to stic to boring topics of conversation... but we usually have these conversations when he's drunk, so I'm not sure how much he takes in
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
haha old thread! I think IEIs bring a certain atmosphere to the relationship, wherein the SLE feels he can be himself. He doesn't have to watch his every word or move, he can SAY exactly what he thinks (and he realizes that if he does this with other types, he gets mixed, at best, results). He can let down his guard and this is invaluable to him. He can relax and he knows we'll usually go along with the fun he wants to have and be pleasant appreciative companions. Plus, we're charming.I find it difficult to work out what it is exactly that I bring to the relationship... it's obvious how much he helps me with his Se, but it's kind of hard for me to see what I do with Ni, although I suppose I could be a positive influence. The only times I really feel like I'm helping him is when I explain to him why he shouldn't judge people so much/why he should be considerate/how sometimes it's safer to stic to boring topics of conversation... but we usually have these conversations when he's drunk, so I'm not sure how much he takes in
It's not about changing who they are but changing how they present themselves.I find it difficult to work out what it is exactly that I bring to the relationship... it's obvious how much he helps me with his Se, but it's kind of hard for me to see what I do with Ni, although I suppose I could be a positive influence. The only times I really feel like I'm helping him is when I explain to him why he shouldn't judge people so much/why he should be considerate/how sometimes it's safer to stic to boring topics of conversation... but we usually have these conversations when he's drunk, so I'm not sure how much he takes in
Generally, XEI don't judge XLE for who they are, rather XEI appreciate what XLE bring, and seem to find their nasty, tactless behavior likable. And XLE do want to be liked and appreciated. One has to realize that most other types provide a lot of negative info as well and positive info is not the only reason why someone might like you more then others. Imo,polr are quite sensitive to negative info in relationships and need constant reassurance. I've broken up relationship for a all sort of reasons, some of these very abruptly and irrevocably.
I've heard that SLEs and IEIs are born with tails. Don't know if it is true, though.
To be honest, the idea of me making some sociopath nicer is a little sad/misguided. I don't think it works that way. I don't think you can fill somebody up with niceness who wants to be mean....
I guess how I view it more as, the SLE will rage and get angry/emotional and other people will troll them for that, except for the IEI. But SLE has big hearts too and seems to be just caring. I don't think I mesh well with people who are 'badass' because I'm nice guy. I think nice guy goes with nice guy and badass goes with badass. I guess you just bring out parts of the other are hidden, like SLE se-ego males especially know what I like erotically in bed and just fucking DO IT without me having to communicate.
I don't view IEIs as all that nice either. (strrrng anybody?) I know how to bite into people too, read my 16types story (that was controversial and got banned at many points). Just because i have neon sparklies in my eyes and im introverted doesn't mean i don't know how to cut people too. haha I always feel like i have be a serial killer in order to have the respect of americans.
is it so bad i wanna be nice and not kill or murder people!
its more like IEIs actually know how to defend the underdog where other people don't.
Sulking?
That's interesting.
Shakespeare made fun of the moon
yes.I kind of feel like they need us as friends. They put all their trust in us & see us as little comforting silly angels.
SLEs:
-Find our self-centeredness adorable and when we actually care about other people, find it noble.
-Talk well and tend to be damn smart (and smart in ways that make sense to us).
-Push you without being uncomfortably pushy
-Want attention/kindness/pleasantness, which we are very good at providing (Fe creative!)
-Think that our essential childlikeness brings meaning/value/significance rather than merely seeing it as an obstacle to external success.
-Are (willing to be) pushy for us (true of Se-egos in general) since they're good at being pushy and we tend to suck ass at it.
-In general, consider us valuable, for whatever reason, which is just the highest compliment you can pay someone.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
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