Am I accepted in Gamma? :P

[Gilly]

Actually, I have made a contribution to finding her type. I've shown her that she should ignore Joy completely if she wants to actually find her type.

[Joy]

lmao

No. You haven't. You've shown you like to argue, and that your typing methods differ from mine.

If Kim says she recognizes Delta quadra values in eunice, that would suggest to me that INFj is indeed a decent possibility. I still think she seems more.... soft and flowery.... than Delta, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's not Delta. Kim, I'm curious as to whether you think that your identifying her as gentle could just be Ne/Si... or if you're fairly confident that you see Fi > Fe, too.

[UDP]

I don't think I ever do things in moderation. I either totally overindulge or neglect it all together eg. listening to long periods of music while resting, study too much during exam periods (or totally ignore it if I know that I'm fighting a losing battle), become too caught up in a hobby because I'm so interested in it to the extent that eating or bathing was at the back of my mind. Such behaviors have led me to have bad time management skills. For instance, I'm supposed to meet a friend at noon in town, but I'm too preoccupied with what I'm doing at the moment that I have overestimated myself about leaving the house on time. I'm almost never early for my classes and appointments, except for more important ones eg. job interviews. As a result, I have been criticised that I lack self discipline.

Why do you think we are so similar? ( )

You certainly are not an ISFj, one of the most dependable types.

[eunice]

I have never had any doubt that eunice is delta and I always find her posts pleasant, interesting, and easy to read (as opposed to many alpha and beta posts, for example). She has this gentle INFj demeanor and I think being late or having poor time management in INFjs can also be because they are often spaced out and in their own little worlds (as she describes) AND because their Ne takes them into so many different directions. I cannot see her in alpha or beta and she is not ISFj from what I can tell.

DELTA FTW!

Thanks Kim. That's very sweet of you.

Do you feel overwhelmed by social obligations, so much that you sometimes do not stand up for what you personally want?

(Se polr)

To a certain extent, yes. Till today, I don't really know what I personally like and I tend to make decisions that are socially appropriate eg. my motivation of going to university is not due to my strong interest in learning (even though I am interested in learning new ideas) but rather as a natural progression after graduating from junior college which everyone goes through.

In terms of social interaction, I tend to avoid making negative remarks infront of people even when I don't really like them. Therefore, when they made incessant unconstructive criticisms about me, I would be thinking, "why did you make such nasty remarks about me when I took so much care not to make you feel bad?" Nevertheless, I tend not to speak up against the person who made such comments because I don't want it to transform from a negative exchange to a potentially long term unfriendly relationship. The idea of having an enemy or anyone who dislikes me really bothers me. Therefore, even when I'm unhappy about someone, I prefer to keep it to myself to prevent it from escalating into something more antagonizing.

[FDG]

It also depends on the self-perception of the individual. I know ISFjs that think they're always very late and unrealiable, when in actuality they're 10 minutes late. Yes, 10 minutes is the maximum tolerable, but in comparison to most people, it's not really that much.

[eunice]

It also depends on the self-perception of the individual. I know ISFjs that think they're always very late and unrealiable, when in actuality they're 10 minutes late. Yes, 10 minutes is the maximum tolerable, but in comparison to most people, it's not really that much.

Actually, 10 minutes is very late for me.

My perception of been late is when the person has reached the destination before me, even though the time has not reached yet. Even when I'm the earlier one and I reached there just on time, I still consider myself late. I prefer to reach my destination 10 minutes before the actual time.

[FDG]

It also depends on the self-perception of the individual. I know ISFjs that think they're always very late and unrealiable, when in actuality they're 10 minutes late. Yes, 10 minutes is the maximum tolerable, but in comparison to most people, it's not really that much.

Actually, 10 minutes is very late for me.

So why did you think you're late? Most people don't consider 5 minutes to be late (I do, but I learnt to be more tolerant)

[Gilly]

10 minutes late is practically on time

[eunice]

It also depends on the self-perception of the individual. I know ISFjs that think they're always very late and unrealiable, when in actuality they're 10 minutes late. Yes, 10 minutes is the maximum tolerable, but in comparison to most people, it's not really that much.

Actually, 10 minutes is very late for me.

So why did you think you're late? Most people don't consider 5 minutes to be late (I do, but I learnt to be more tolerant)

I feel bad that I make the person waste her time waiting for me. I think if I'm in Japan or Germany, I would probably be blacklisted if I'm late.

[UDP]

Why do you think we are so similar?

[eunice]

Why do you think we are so similar?

I mentioned it once in one of the threads. I don't think we are totally similar, but just some similarities here and there. Interest in Japanese language and culture, willingness to contribute to our society, preference for Accountancy not because we are interested in it but rather it enables us to fulfil our long term goals etc. That's what I could recall at the moment.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

What is that supposed to differentiate between?

[discojoe]

If I'm late at all I feel guilty and irresponsible, though I'm good at hiding it and pretending I don't care.

[Gilly]

You do that with a lot of things, don't you?

[Creepy-Diana]

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[eunice]

Do you ever feel relieved that someone has gone ahead and said something? Doesn't it feel better to know what someone really thinks than to have all that going on beneath the surface and just covering it up? Do you ever purposely provoke someone to get a reaction out of them and find out what's really going on? Do you ever lose your temper and blast someone, expecting some kind of fight back, and when you get nothing, wonder if it was overkill? And after a good argument when you've gotten everything worked out, do you feel really good, and like everything is okay. Would you rather have a clear positive or negative response, or would you rather have a generally neutral response, and not really know for sure how someone felt?

What makes you feel better, more normal, more like yourself -- to have all the cards on the table, both good and bad, or to keep the cards hidden, only showing a few hints here and there?

I would very much prefer someone who would be honest and straightforward and tell me exactly how he thinks and feels rather than leave me guessing. I generally don't adjust well to negative comments especially about matters which I have no or little control over eg. my past mistakes and miscalculations which cannot be changed, and creating jokes on my expense to make everyone else laugh. Nonetheless, I appreciate those who chose to speak up and offer me useful suggestions on overcoming my weaknesses or solving the problem at hand.

I don't see the need to provoke the person to get a reaction out of them and find out what's going on. I don't believe that such matters should start on such an intense and negative manner because I don't think I would get anything out of them if I reacted that way. I would most likely just ask the person matter-of-factly. I am capable of losing my temper and blasting at someone, but I definitely don't want a fight. But something bad must have really happened if I react in such manner.

I definitely feel good when everything is worked out after an argument. I would rather have a clear positive or negative answer as compared to a neutral one. It actually makes me feel closer to that person because it means that he trusts me enough and feels comfortable in opening up to me, and it (probably) reflects that I'm in his special circle. It always makes me feel good to know that I'm in someone's special circle.

[Gilly]

Looks like an awfully biased perspective on Fi vs Fe preference to me.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

I can't stand this. Since when are Fi people the only ones who prefer SOs to be straightforward with them? I would feel like punching my partner in the mouth if he/she wasn't honest and straightforward with me; that's what relationships are supposed to be all about. If you say you're in a "relationship" with someone, then the curtains should be drawn. Period.

[Gilly]

Looks like an awfully biased perspective on Fi vs Fe preference to me.

Not at all. If I had anything in mind it was Se vs. Si but not even entirely that. Like I said, it was to get a little more into who eunice is, and understand her better. And I think it helped quite a bit.

So what did you get out of that that says Si to you?

[Joy]

There are different types of things that people are honest about. Someone can be honest about something but still miss a huge part of the situation because they just didn't think of it.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

I can't stand this. Since when are Fi people the only ones who prefer SOs to be straightforward with them? I would feel like punching my partner in the mouth if he/she wasn't honest and straightforward with me; that's what relationships are supposed to be all about. If you say you're in a "relationship" with someone, then the curtains should be drawn. Period.

You're the only one making it an issue of Fe vs. Fi here Gilligan.

Ok, so what does being straightforward have to do with type, Diana? What does hiding things from your SO have to do with type? What does feeling good/bad after an argument have to do with type? What did you actually GET from her description?

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

What's Te and Fi about that last part?

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Ms. Kensington]

diana, you think the first paragraph shows a Te value? I associate joking at that person's expense an Se/Ni quadra thing. Liking challenges that way.

[Gilly]

It's not inconsistent with my picture of EIIs, but it's definitely not exclusive to them, and I certainly would never claim that that specific information would be anywhere near what I need to arrive at EII as a fairly solid conclusion, as you seem to have.

And I still don't buy being straightforward, whether with SOs or friends, as part of a person's type.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

My point is that I don't see how it points to EII over any of the other possible types that are being considered. ESI does seem less likely, but other than that I don't see it pointing to either SEI, IEI, or EII in particular.

[UDP]

Why do you think we are so similar?

I mentioned it once in one of the threads. I don't think we are totally similar, but just some similarities here and there. Interest in Japanese language and culture, willingness to contribute to our society, preference for Accountancy not because we are interested in it but rather it enables us to fulfil our long term goals etc. That's what I could recall at the moment.

I am not taking Accounting as my major any more. I was considering it. Business Admin right now. I do not see in you a willingness to manage others towards success.

[Megan]

But the appreciating someone offering useful suggestions could be Te valuing.

I am glad you highlighted the "could" part. I think a lot of people who do not "value" appreciate useful suggestions.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[FDG]

Why do you think we are so similar?

I mentioned it once in one of the threads. I don't think we are totally similar, but just some similarities here and there. Interest in Japanese language and culture, willingness to contribute to our society, preference for Accountancy not because we are interested in it but rather it enables us to fulfil our long term goals etc. That's what I could recall at the moment.

I am not taking Accounting as my major any more. I was considering it. Business Admin right now. I do not see in you a willingness to manage others towards success.

And you think you could manage anybody, after writing those endless rants about yourself here? Sorry but it really had to be said

[Joy]

You're so full of shit.

[Gilly]

You can see UDP giving orders?