Static/Dynamic + Club Test

[Luke]

Here is a test I put together for fun. The MBTI part is a bit speculative (you might need to adjust your definitions of the MBTT CPs slightly to make them consistent with the corresponding Socionics IM elements -- no guarantee the result will coincide with actual MBTI types, just theoretical ones).

It uses double-checking for each question, so you can change your answer if it doesn't sound right in the second form. I am looking for information about a) how hard it is to take, and b) how reliable the results are/seem to be. It would be helpful to know what you think your type already is and how strongly you agree/disagree with the results you get. Also let me know if you have suggestions for the wording of the questions.
[This post will be edited to fit suggestions as they come.]

Which do you tend to make quickly, taking immediate data into account?
a) decisive statements regarding how your surroundings should be
b) observant statements regarding what your surroundings are like

Which do you tend to make carefully, taking past memories into account?
a) observations about how things tend to interact
b) decisions about how things ought to interact


Which do you consider a central focus more than simply a useful tool?
c) making decisions is a central focus
d) observing things is a central focus

Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?
c) observing things is helpful but not central
d) making decisions is helpful but not central


Which combination of elements would you prefer to work with over an extended period of time?
e) physical and logical elements
f) abstract and logical elements
g) physical and ethical elements
h) abstract and ethical elements

Which combination of elements would you find most difficult over an extended period of time?
e) abstract and ethical elements
f) physical and ethical elements
g) abstract and logical elements
h) physical and logical elements


a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P

c -- rational | Socionics J
d -- irrational | Socionics P

e -- ST
f -- NT
g -- SF
h -- NF

static rational, dynamic irrational = introverted
dynamic rational, static irrational = extroverted

[FDG]

This would peg me as ESFj.

[Luke]

This would peg me as ESFj.

Ok, that's 2 out of 3 compared to your sig.
Do you think the questions for clubs need more work? Or are you open to the possibility of being an SF?
Looking at some of your posts, they do seem kinda similar to the tone of what my ESE girlfriend would say. Plus there's this quote:

Most of the INTj Ne guys are also friendly and great wits and lots of fun and very strange people. If I were a girl, I'm sure I'd find them hotter than the macho idiots.

How would you describe your interactions with LII girls?

[FDG]

I know one. She's a total bitch. OTOH ILI girls are great.

I think yes, your quesiton for clubs need more work, because interests are not closely related to clubs. Generally, for example, ENTx-s of the very extraverted kind might prefer socialization to strict conceptual work.

Or, a Te type might find "logical calculations" to be meaningless, and "work" would be better as an option; or, again, another NT whose field of interest is literature or history or journalism or medicine, might actually relate better to "human interactions" rather than "logical calculations".

[Luke]

I know one. She's a total bitch. OTOH ILI girls are great.

I'll have to take your word on the identifications. What aspects of LII do you find obnoxious?

I think yes, your quesiton for clubs need more work, because interests are not closely related to clubs. Generally, for example, ENTx-s of the very extraverted kind might prefer socialization to strict conceptual work.

Or, a Te type might find "logical calculations" to be meaningless, and "work" would be better as an option; or, again, another NT whose field of interest is literature or history or journalism or medicine, might actually relate better to "human interactions" rather than "logical calculations".

Ok, I will attempt another adjustment. Thanks for your feedback

[Luke]

a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P

Warning: I had this wrong in the original version of the test. As of now I have changed the order to a=dynamic, b=static. With this accounted for, FDG's initial score (if we want to take it at all seriously) would have been ISFj. However I have also changed the wording since then (particularly the Clubs questions), so fresh evaluation is needed on that front as well.

[Blaze]

bold is mine.

Here is a test I put together for fun. The MBTI part is a bit speculative (you might need to adjust your definitions of the MBTT CPs slightly to make them consistent with the corresponding Socionics IM elements -- no guarantee this will coincide with actual MBTI types, just theoretical ones).

It uses double-checking for each question, so you can change your answer if it doesn't sound right in the second form. I am wondering a) how hard it is to take, and b) how reliable the results are/seem to be. Let me know if you have suggestions for the wordings, etc. (Will edit this later to fit suggestions as they come.)

Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisions about things
b) observe the properties of things

Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) observe the properties of things
b) make decisions about things


Which do you consider a central focus more than a useful tool?
c) making decisions is a central focus
d) observing things is a central focus

Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?
c) observing things is helpful but not central
d) making decisions is helpful but not central

Which combination of elements would you prefer to work with over an extended period of time?
e) physical and logical elements
f) abstract and logical elements
g) physical and ethical elements
h) abstract and ethical elements

Which combination of elements would you find most difficult over an extended period of time?
e) abstract and ethical elements
f) physical and ethical elements
g) abstract and logical elements
h) physical and logical elements


a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P

c -- rational | Socionics J
d -- irrational | Socionics P

e -- ST
f -- NT
g -- SF
h -- NF

static rational, dynamic irrational = introverted
dynamic rational, static irrational = extroverted

[xyz]

Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisions about things
b) observe the properties of things

Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) observe the properties of things
b) make decisions about things


Which do you consider a central focus more than a useful tool?
c) making decisions is a central focus
d) observing things is a central focus

Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?
c) observing things is helpful but not central
d) making decisions is helpful but not central

Which combination of elements would you prefer to work with over an extended period of time?
e) physical and logical elements
f) abstract and logical elements
g) physical and ethical elements
h) abstract and ethical elements

Which combination of elements would you find most difficult over an extended period of time?
e) abstract and ethical elements
f) physical and ethical elements
g) abstract and logical elements
h) physical and logical elements


a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P

c -- rational | Socionics J
d -- irrational | Socionics P

e -- ST
f -- NT
g -- SF
h -- NF

static rational, dynamic irrational = introverted
dynamic rational, static irrational = extroverted

Pegs me as an ESTP.

[Slacker]

I think it kind of falls apart at the end, because "what would you prefer to work with" - my dual and my conflictor are both STs.

[Gilly]

This pegs me as LII.

[Gilly]

I think it kind of falls apart at the end, because "what would you prefer to work with" - my dual and my conflictor are both STs.

Exactly: your dual takes care of things you don't like dealing with. That's why he's your dual

[Phaedrus]

a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P

Warning: I had this wrong in the original version of the test. As of now I have changed the order to a=dynamic, b=static.

I haven't seen the original version of the test, but if you had it the other way around in the first place, it seems as though you should have sticked to your original ordering. An LII should chose options a and c, an ILI should chose b and d.

[Phaedrus]

No way. An LII should choose b (and c and f).

Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisions about things
b) observe the properties of things

Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) observe the properties of things
b) make decisions about things

etc.

Then please explain why you think that. We agree on option f being NT, and we agree on option c for LIIs. Perhaps we interpret the first question differently, or maybe it is too vague. It would be a strange thing for an ILI to chose option a, since ILIs are generally more hesitant than LIIs in making decisions. But maybe something else is meant here. And what exactly is meant by "observing the properties of things" in this context?

[Luke]

Then please explain why you think that. We agree on option f being NT, and we agree on option c for LIIs. Perhaps we interpret the first question differently, or maybe it is too vague. It would be a strange thing for an ILI to chose option a, since ILIs are generally more hesitant than LIIs in making decisions. But maybe something else is meant here. And what exactly is meant by "observing the properties of things" in this context?

I have this theory that introverted functions take larger chunks of time to use (or perhaps more repeated uses) to come to a final result than extroverted ones. LII may be more emphatic (and stubborn maybe) than ILI when making decisive statements, but ILI will be more quick in doing so.

[Luke]

New edit:

Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisions which fit the moment
b) make observations which pertain to the situation

Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) observe the general behaviour of things
b) decide what actions will be most beneficial

[reyn_til_runa]

A
A
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D
F
F
*didn't see the edit, so changed #1 from B

which appears ILI.

For "Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?"

I'd suggest changing the wording to avoid confusion due to the following:

1. the useful tool can also be the central focus
2. "central focus" is vague term
3. "useful" is not even used in the options.

[Phaedrus]

LII may be more emphatic (and stubborn maybe) than ILI when making decisive statements, but ILI will be more quick in doing so.

Making decisive statements and making decisions are two totally different things to me. We all know that ILIs are more prone to make speculative, provocative statements, for example in debates, but we also know that (practical) decisions come much more easily to LIIs.

[implied]

gave me ENTJ or ENFJ.

[Luke]

LII may be more emphatic (and stubborn maybe) than ILI when making decisive statements, but ILI will be more quick in doing so.

Making decisive statements and making decisions are two totally different things to me. We all know that ILIs are more prone to make speculative, provocative statements, for example in debates, but we also know that (practical) decisions come much more easily to LIIs.

I dunno, intuitive statements can be pretty speculative and provocative in a sense... at least I think so

Perhaps you're right, and "decisive statements" is a better wording than "decisions" in that context. The point is that they appear to be decisive in the short run, due to the extroverted nature of the creative trait, while not applying much weight to that decisiveness. LII are the opposite, appearing indecisive but generally sticking to their decisions when possible.

[Luke]

Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisive statements which fit in the moment
b) make observant statements which pertain to the situation

Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) make observations about the nature of fundamental reality
b) come to conclusions about the nature of fundamental reality

Another edit. Let me know if you think this is better, worse, or the same.

[Luke]

Which do you tend to make quickly, taking immediate data into account?
a) decisive statements regarding how your surroundings should be
b) observant statements regarding what your surroundings are like

Which do you tend to make carefully, taking past memories into account?
a) observations about how things tend to interact
b) decisions about how things ought to interact

I've changed the static/dynamic section some more. Any takers?

[redbaron]

I tested ESFp.

[FDG]

It's not my intention to excessively complicate things, but I honestly feel like I would like to work best with physical and abstract matters, more so than logical or emotional - that would be secondary.

[Stormy]

Bold is me:

Which do you tend to make quickly, taking immediate data into account?
a) decisive statements regarding how your surroundings should be
b) observant statements regarding what your surroundings are like
This is a very hard question, since it's mainly subconscious or happens too fast or something

Which do you tend to make carefully, taking past memories into account?
a) observations about how things tend to interact
b) decisions about how things ought to interact


Which do you consider a central focus more than simply a useful tool?
c) making decisions is a central focus
d) observing things is a central focus

Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?
c) observing things is helpful but not central
d) making decisions is helpful but not central


Which combination of elements would you prefer to work with over an extended period of time?
e) physical and logical elements
f) abstract and logical elements
g) physical and ethical elements
h) abstract and ethical elements

Which combination of elements would you find most difficult over an extended period of time?
e) abstract and ethical elements
f) physical and ethical elements
g) abstract and logical elements
h) physical and logical elements


a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P

c -- rational | Socionics J
d -- irrational | Socionics P

e -- ST
f -- NT
g -- SF
h -- NF

static rational, dynamic irrational = introverted
dynamic rational, static irrational = extroverted

or .

It's not my intention to excessively complicate things, but I honestly feel like I would like to work best with physical and abstract matters, more so than logical or emotional - that would be secondary.

Out of physical and abstract, which would you prefer; out of logical and emotional, which would you prefer?

[FDG]

I truly have no preference for physical or abstract. I feel like I need to do both during my day in order for my brain to function well.

[Stormy]

I truly have no preference for physical or abstract. I feel like I need to do both during my day in order for my brain to function well.

Necessity isn't preference - if you were in a comfortable situation, which would you rather focus on (not what you think you should be focusing on)?

[FDG]

I truly have no preference for physical or abstract. I feel like I need to do both during my day in order for my brain to function well.

Necessity isn't preference - if you were in a comfortable situation, which would you rather focus on (not what you think you should be focusing on)?

Omg, depends on which situation - on a soccer field, physical, in a maths class, abstract

[Stormy]

Necessity isn't preference - if you were in a comfortable situation, which would you rather focus on (not what you think you should be focusing on)?

Omg, depends on which situation - on a soccer field, physical, in a maths class, abstract

You're still thinking it terms of what you think you should do in said situations (which, to be fair, may equate to what you would rather do in said situations).

[astralsilky]

IXTp with possible leaning toward INTp

EDIT:

Must preferences = aptitude by way of functional dominance? What if this is not always true => testing flaws?

[Luke]

IXTp with possible leaning toward INTp

EDIT:

Must preferences = aptitude by way of functional dominance? What if this is not always true => testing flaws?

That's a good question. I think it might for the first two traits (which we are measuring) but not the rest. According to MBTT sources, the HA and suggestive functions are next in line, followed by the id traits, then the painful and role traits. Basically for super-ego and super-id they are in reversed order, the super-id is vastly preferred over the rest of the non-ego traits, and the super-ego is least preferred. But this ordering doesn't necessarily tell us how competent a trait is, or what order in the psyche it is used, just how much you prefer to use/not use it. So I think this difference between the two theories could (in principle) be resolved.

Think about it, over an extended period of time would you really pick a super-id trait instead of an ego one? It may be enjoyable for a time, but it comes at a cost of being weaker-minded and less conscious.

[astralsilky]

IXTp with possible leaning toward INTp

EDIT:

Must preferences = aptitude by way of functional dominance? What if this is not always true => testing flaws?

That's a good question. I think it might for the first two traits (which we are measuring) but not the rest. According to MBTT sources, the HA and suggestive functions are next in line, followed by the id traits, then the painful and role traits. Basically for super-ego and super-id they are in reversed order, the super-id is vastly preferred over the rest of the non-ego traits, and the super-ego is least preferred. But this ordering doesn't necessarily tell us how competent a trait is, or what order in the psyche it is used, just how much you prefer to use/not use it. So I think this difference between the two theories could (in principle) be resolved.

Think about it, over an extended period of time would you really pick a super-id trait instead of an ego one? It may be enjoyable for a time, but it comes at a cost of being weaker-minded and less conscious.

That is the key, isn't it ...

Good job on your test, btw. Have no idea if my result is right or not, but your approach appears more sound than most I've seen.

[Luke]

IXTp with possible leaning toward INTp

EDIT:

Must preferences = aptitude by way of functional dominance? What if this is not always true => testing flaws?

That's a good question. I think it might for the first two traits (which we are measuring) but not the rest. According to MBTT sources, the HA and suggestive functions are next in line, followed by the id traits, then the painful and role traits. Basically for super-ego and super-id they are in reversed order, the super-id is vastly preferred over the rest of the non-ego traits, and the super-ego is least preferred. But this ordering doesn't necessarily tell us how competent a trait is, or what order in the psyche it is used, just how much you prefer to use/not use it. So I think this difference between the two theories could (in principle) be resolved.

Think about it, over an extended period of time would you really pick a super-id trait instead of an ego one? It may be enjoyable for a time, but it comes at a cost of being weaker-minded and less conscious.

That is the key, isn't it ...

Good job on your test, btw. Have no idea if my result is right or not, but your approach appears more sound than most I've seen.

Thank you
Good luck narrowing down your type.

[Shazaam]

My God. I like these tests but could we please get a little originality?

Look, all these tests do (every single GODDAMN one of them) is basically put you in one of following four categories.

(1. A magical, idealistic person that doesn't know how to change a tire or a catch a football. Is good-natured but emotionally oversensitive. Deeply cares for others but doesn't know how to express it or have the right grip on the matters. Wants to be fucked by physical, sensory people. Nerd with a soul.

(2. A heroic person that is good at sports and loves protecting people. Has a personal disgust for bullies. Sees the potential in other people. Has a special fondness for type 1. Wants to fuck magical, idealistic people. Jock with a soul.

(3. A bully person that really just wants to hurt people. Loves to tease other people by thinking he's gonna give them something and then taking that thing away at the last second. Hidden values and morals that make sense only to him and type 4s. Has a personal fondness for moral rules that apply to everybody. Is a bully but doesn't even know and hey, bullies can sometimes be ironically effective. Wants to fuck jaded dorks with too much dandruff that get really bad tattoos that promote their individuality. Jock without a soul.

(4. A withdrawn, critical person that hates the world and often has secret contempt for type 1 person despite not seeming like a foe at first. Is very cynical of people believes that folks tend to create most of their own problems, so doesn't really feel that much use in helping others. Wants to be fucked by the bully. Nerd without a soul.

I'm so smart. My personality theory R0X0RZ!