Autism

[Warlord]

What do you think of socionic tests' unaccuracy ?

They are about 1000000 times more accurate than this:

Inappropriate laughing or crying : TP
No real fear of dangers : NP or SJ
Appearant insensitivity to pain : or
May not want cuddling : NP
Sustained unusual or repetitive play : Intuition
Avoids eye contact : Intuition
Prefers to be alone : Introtimness + Declarativeness
Difficulty in expressing needs : Intuition
Inappropriate attachments to objects : or
Insistence on sameness : IJ
Inappropriate/lacking response to sound : NP or SJ
Difficulty in interacting with others : TP

[machintruc]

They are about 1000000 times more accurate than this

What test did you use ?

[inumbra]

I'm just not convinced you'll get a valid result on someone with autism for a socionic test. As far as I'm aware, the theory was built around what is regarded 'normal' people, so socionics couldn't be relied on to give an accurate result.

Thank you.

Though and types tend to have such thinking patterns more than others, I don't think they should go to concentration camps.

How gracious of you?

[machintruc]

Nobody is actually regarded "normal". The Neurotypical Archetype isn't relevant to any type. Each type can be regarded as "not-normal". For example, ILI's would refer to the typical autistic stand-offish dude Archetype, SEE's would refer to the typical ADHD retard Archetype, and LII's would refer to the typical nerdy alien philosopher Archetype. But whatever.

Nobody should think "people hate me because they think I'm not normal". That's childish thinking.

People may have these ways of acting - whatever his/her type :

- Acting in a natural, proactive manner, with integrity and responsibility (the best way)
- Acting in a conservative manner, not really being conformist but with not much boldness either.
- Acting in a conformist manner, being adaptive and trying to be the most "normal" possible. Most people tolerate this, as long as it doesn't harm anybody. (This kind of behaviour isn't that bad...)
- Acting in a reactive manner, being capricious, like a typical teenager. Not tolerating frustration.
- Acting like faking integrity, in order to appear superficially proactive, and to be accepted by others on the short term.
- Acting like a victim. "Whatever, nobody accepts me because I don't fit in. It's like somethings wrong with us/me."

(source: Morler's Levels of Emotional Maturity)

[inumbra]

Nobody is actually regarded "normal".

True. That's a good point.

[Disturbed]

I'm an LSI-Ti who was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, not sure when it was, but people thought I was on the spectrum when I was a kid. My theory of mind was terrible when I was a kid, but now it's almost the complete opposite... doesn't mean that I always act in others' interests, but I understand the differences now better. But the guy who diagnosed me was an EIE-Ni, and they don't see things for what they are. I've developed my feeling functions more as I've become older and am somewhat uncomfortable with them (really, I still tend to intellectualize empathy or concern for someone else), although my social and spatial skills are still terrible and I try to avoid doing things unless there is a good reason.

Anyway, unless it's a beautiful woman who makes me horny, I generally prefer solitude, part of it's due to embarrassment, and part of it just that I don't think I can read people well enough and am extremely selective in who I hang out with. I like good solitary activities, I could take or leave competitions usually. Totally don't know how to work with kids.

Seems like I have stereotypical schizophrenic brain (what I'm referring to is hyper-mentalizing) and stereotypical autistic one (favoring hyper-systemization/mechanizing). But both are socially introverted.

Seems like LSI-Se would be one of the most common types for autism due to them not knowing what people wanting, knowing what's there but not really thinking about what's missing, their low level of affective empathy, them not having many emotions, them usually making decisions on logic and self-interest; LSI-Ti is too empathetic, too emotional, too assuming, too personable, needs emotional interaction too much, and is too concerned with what other people are doing. ESI-Se and ILE-Ti also seem likely, many ESI-Se because they think they're so logical and because they don't really seek emotional connection with others, and ILE-Ti partly due to some of them focusing on details, fixity of interests, most of them not needing emotional connection, many of them having moral rigidity, their Causal Determinist cognition meaning they have no clue of or won't act on what someone wants until they're given direction. I think LII would be unlikely due to their concern for everyone else and their strong emotions. SLE-Ti is common and I could also see EIE-Fe being autistic. Basically, types that think clearly, that don't make assumptions, see things for what they are, are more worried about what's in it for them, who want evidence, who control their emotions, who don't have much emotional connection with people/non-sentimental, who are independent, and who favor doing what makes sense and who question or don't like social norms or who don't feel comfortable forcing people to adhere to norms.

[Giordano Bruno]

The outcasts and branded heretics of loser ville and depleted magicka is never land bunny blank space in the absent minded dollhouse of make believe vistas to oasis star.