Jim Carrey

[Ave]

One of the biggest things to keep in mind with Jim Carrey is that his whole "crazy man" face-pulling act is just a persona. It's not the real him. If you watch the interview with Charlie Rose, he talks about how when he was young, he saw it as his "job" to cheer his mom up, who was ill and depressed. He put on this act in order to do that, and just kept doing it. It's like a mask that he's worn for so long, it's almost become a part of him. But it's definitely not the "real him". The real Jim Carrey is the one you see talking to Charlie Rose in that interview, or in other more serious interviews.

ENFjs are known for playing a role in front of others or in society. There is no such thing as the real Jim Carrey as having in the superego block means not knowing "who you are", as the alpha SFs like to put it. The sense of identity in types is so confused that its intimidating to have define the "real you" to others, if you were an type you wouldnt know what that is since its constantly changing. types dont have a static sense of who they are like alphas and deltas do, so it may hard to understand for some people who dont have it. An ESFj friend of mine(who Im not friends with anymore, since he turned out to be an asshole) was trying to pin things I do as "yes thats you!" and it may have been but to me it was only the persona, the mask i had developed naturally for myself.

[Suz]

ENFjs are known for playing a role in front of others or in society. There is no such thing as the real Jim Carrey as having in the superego block means not knowing "who you are", as the alpha SFs like to put it. The sense of identity in types is so confused that its intimidating to have define the "real you" to others, if you were an type you wouldnt know what that is since its constantly changing. types dont have a static sense of who they are like alphas and deltas do, so it may hard to understand for some people who dont have it. An ESFj friend of mine(who Im not friends with anymore, since he turned out to be an asshole) was trying to pin things I do as "yes thats you!" and it may have been but to me it was only the persona, the mask i had developed naturally for myself.

Hmmmmmm, interesting. Thanks for the perspective, I had no idea.

[Suz]

One of the biggest things to keep in mind with Jim Carrey is that his whole "crazy man" face-pulling act is just a persona. It's not the real him. If you watch the interview with Charlie Rose, he talks about how when he was young, he saw it as his "job" to cheer his mom up, who was ill and depressed. He put on this act in order to do that, and just kept doing it. It's like a mask that he's worn for so long, it's almost become a part of him. But it's definitely not the "real him". The real Jim Carrey is the one you see talking to Charlie Rose in that interview, or in other more serious interviews.

I know, i realize that, even watching the Truman Show. My opinion of his type centers around his choice of how he thinks he should entertain people. I feel that an Fe-ego would be able to entertain without the crazy faces and without resorting to an alter-persona, but who knows, I could be wrong. No question Fe-valuing though. I think most of us agree on that.

[Krig the Viking]

My own theory (and this is pure speculation) is that Carrey's parents were(are?) Alpha, and in trying to entertain them, Carrey adopted an ESE persona. His exaggerated physicality (the crazy faces, the wild movements, etc.) may be the result of trying to use his Vulnerable Si on "overload", to simulate the way ESE uses Si to generate Fe. Note how Robin Williams, for example, uses a lot of the same sort of physicality in his comedy, but is much more controlled and deliberate about it.

[Marie84]

My own theory (and this is pure speculation) is that Carrey's parents were(are?) Alpha, and in trying to entertain them, Carrey adopted an ESE persona. His exaggerated physicality (the crazy faces, the wild movements, etc.) may be the result of trying to use his Vulnerable Si on "overload", to simulate the way ESE uses Si to generate Fe. Note how Robin Williams, for example, uses a lot of the same sort of physicality in his comedy, but is much more controlled and deliberate about it.

I never really thought about this but that's a good point

[Suz]

My own theory (and this is pure speculation) is that Carrey's parents were(are?) Alpha, and in trying to entertain them, Carrey adopted an ESE persona. His exaggerated physicality (the crazy faces, the wild movements, etc.) may be the result of trying to use his Vulnerable Si on "overload", to simulate the way ESE uses Si to generate Fe. Note how Robin Williams, for example, uses a lot of the same sort of physicality in his comedy, but is much more controlled and deliberate about it.

I never really thought about this but that's a good point

So the grimacing is Si POLR then? I dont get it.

[Krig the Viking]

So the grimacing is Si POLR then? I dont get it.

The main problem with the PoLR function is that one has no ability to fine-tune it -- when we try to use it, it's always either way too much, or way too little. Jim Carrey, when in his crazy persona, uses way too much.

[Marie84]

The main problem with the PoLR function is that one has no ability to fine-tune it -- when we try to use it, it's always either way too much, or way too little. Jim Carrey, when in his crazy persona, uses way too much.

yeah; Carrey comes across as more awkward and unpolished with his physical presentation than I'd expect from a sensory ego in general. It seems like he tries to over-compensate for it, in this sense

Correction: Conan is NOT ISTp, he's ENTp.

From watching his interview with Charlie Rose I'm quite confident he's an LIE; his real life persona and motivation bears a stark contrast to his TV one. Here's a quote from it that I saved; shows a priority on Gamma IE values

"I've always been a really hardworker, I come across as this happy-go-lucky...I'm an extremely hard worker, and I'm very intense. And up until than everything that I achieved in life had been back-breakingly hard for me. I felt like it had taken a huge effort to get good grades and write a great paper and to do well, it had all been a lot of effort"

[Suz]

The main problem with the PoLR function is that one has no ability to fine-tune it -- when we try to use it, it's always either way too much, or way too little. Jim Carrey, when in his crazy persona, uses way too much.

But isn't that the case with any weak function?

I just dont understand how the grimacing is a manifestation of Si, as opposed to Fe.

[krieger]

I just dont understand how the grimacing is a manifestation of Si, as opposed to Fe.

It's both. Complete ignorance of Si for the unconcern towards looking "natural" and Fe to motivate the emotive impulse of the act. Fits ENFj to a T.

[1981slater]

Ni-ENTj with a huge role!

[Suz]

It's both. Complete ignorance of Si for the unconcern towards looking "natural" and Fe to motivate the emotive impulse of the act. Fits ENFj to a T.

oh. But I thought ENFj's look natural when they use Fe? Am i wrong about that?

Do Si dual seekers also look unnatural?

[krieger]

oh. But I thought ENFj's look natural when they use Fe?

ENFj behavior tends to be a little artificial in a general sense. It isn't really dependent on what function they are using. As far as I'm aware "ego function" just means it's used a lot and with a lot of effort put behind it, and in ways that lead to the successful attainment of an envisioned result. None of it implies that the process would look "natural" or less so.

And you can't deny that Carrey is successful at what he does. Believe it or not, people like to see him behave the way he does, and line up in droves for the chance to watch 1.5 hours of it.

Do Si dual seekers also look unnatural?

ENTps do, they're known as complete weirdos. I'm not sure about ENFps. Weak/Valued is something completely different from Weak/Unvalued, so I don't think its warranted to expect the same effects.

[Krig the Viking]

But isn't that the case with any weak function?

I just dont understand how the grimacing is a manifestation of Si, as opposed to Fe.

ESEs use their physicality to influence Fe, in the same way that EIEs use their dreams and vision of the past and future to influence Fe. Sometimes an ESE may just bake cookies or give you a hug, but it also extends to other bodily sensations and uses of the body in general. If you watch Robin Williams' comedy, he is very physically animated, with gestures and expressions, etc., using his physicality to create positive Fe in his audience.

Fe tends to express itself primarily through sounds and vocal modulation. EIEs are normally less physically animated than ESEs, being focused as they are on other times and places, and not as much on what they can do here-and-now to influence others' emotions.

Jim Carrey is physically animated, but in a much wilder and more out-of-control way than Robin Williams. Despite being very physically animated, nobody ever gets the impression that Robin Williams is insane or out of control. Carrey frequently gives that impression -- like he's not sure where the boundary of appropriateness for that kind of physicality is, so he just pushes all the way past it, past embarrassment and into the refuge of absurdity.

The only other type I can see making sense is ILE. He's not a Sensing type, I'm sure of that.

I had considered LIE, Marie, but I think most EJ types would describe themselves as "hard-working", etc. In my opinion, even when he's serious, Carrey focuses mainly on how he feels about things, how he feels about life, how other people feel about things and life, etc., and not on what is the most practically efficient way to effect change in the world.

[Gilly]

Ni-ENTj with a huge role!

I'm considering this too, actually; he does seem more Gamma than Beta, more of a quirky antihero than a tragic one for sure, and he has a kind of Democratic natural levity/socially explorative attitude that you just don't really see in Betas.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't think I will ever be able to take you seriously.

I don't care if you will.

[alklonth]

ENxj
face expression more like ethics but there's something in it it tells me "hey, this is just a huge amount of work" and all this clowning is more like Fe3 than Fe1

[Amber]

ILe-ne

[Chae]

Bringing this thread back.



Those are really beautiful and moving words, what are the elements behind that?



I always get the feeling he's a social 3 in a sexual 7 disguise also given his upbringing but anyway, Socionics.

Chiming in with ENxx type, either EIE or ILE imo

[flames]

ILE-Ne 7w6 so/sx

[darya]

ILE-Ne 7w6 so/sx

Agreed : )

[The Reality Denialist]

I think his style reminds me of something.. but not so sure what it is?

ESI-Se 1w2

[maniac]

Def a 9 fixed 7 but i cant figure his heart fix out. And sx/so. I know so/sx 7s and they are waaay more scattered.
And I feel the protective and caring over others thing sx/so's have in him.

[Chae]

Def a 9 fixed 7 but i cant figure his heart fix out. And sx/so. I know so/sx 7s and they are waaay more scattered.
And I feel the protective and caring over others thing sx/so's have in him.

9 fix definitely. Heart fix could be 2w3 or 3w2.

[flames]

Def a 9 fixed 7 but i cant figure his heart fix out. And sx/so. I know so/sx 7s and they are waaay more scattered.
And I feel the protective and caring over others thing sx/so's have in him.

Right, because we all know his acting isn't extremely scattered.



Your feelings which are based on nothing is not proof of sx/so. He is light and extremely scattered like a typical so/sx 7. Even when he does serious stuff it's too light and for sx/so.

[Tigerfadder]

ILE and second ESE, but ya ILE.

[Jake]

EIE

[Raver]

ILE-Ne 7w6 so/sx

I can see this fitting him well.

[Boris78]

Hi! I think Jim Carrey type is : ISFJ-C

Myers-Briggs : ISFJ-C (Calm) Estimated Profile : (I) 55% (S) 92,5% (F) 92,5% (J) 55%

Big Five/OCEAN : RCOAN

Enneagram: 6w5(sw5w4) Enneatype 6 - Level 7

Socionics : SEI

Disc : (C) Compliant

Don Riso Subtype : The Overreacting Dependent

[silke]

SLE-Se 7w6 sx/so the soc-subtype - this is such an SLE quote: "You know the trouble with real life? There's no danger music."

and so much Ni-seeking in this video:

[Jake]

LIE

[Tigerfadder]

I always have him as ESE but sometimes he border the ILE area. This tho is some serious ESE I think.

[wacey]

I always have him as ESE but sometimes he border the ILE area. This tho is some serious ESE I think.

cool person.

I see ESE facilitating Carrey's creativity, I don't think he himself is one.

[Jake]

EIE

[Tigerfadder]

I kinda think ESE. The things he can do with that face of his... I find the spiritual things he talk about is common in ESE's, im not sure why. There is this connection between IEI and ESE where ESE is a bit more bold spiritual.

[at sirac son of sirac]

SLE

[Olimpia]

IEE, Type 7.

His 4D +Fe is obvious; it's what got him famous back in the day.






This clip makes it rather obvious he is NF.

[at sirac son of sirac]

SLE-Se 7w6 sx/so the soc-subtype - this is such an SLE quote: "You know the trouble with real life? There's no danger music."

and so much Ni-seeking in this video:

Good clip!

I agree with you, zero Ne in that video, it's all about Ni valuing.

His Fe mobilizing function is obvious, no way an Fe base would be as clumsy with Fe, it would be far more nuanced.

He likes enneagram, perhaps he'll join the forum, his esoteric views would be perfect from this place.

(You could almost type him IEI from what he values - Ni and Fe, except he is an obvious extravert).

[Bertrand]

I feel like Jim Carrey has a "more is more" approach to Fe, which is in keeping with 2d "norms", i.e.: his exaggerations are exaggerations, characterizing an underlying normative perspective. 4d Fe would be being able to convey a thunderbolt in a jar etc, killing with a look that no one but the intended target picks up. the kind of stuff that on the outside looks as bad Fe might be exactly what a highly sophisticated, especially strong intuitive, strong Fe user might use, precisely because often what is most effective is effective precisely because it doesn't kick down the door, etc etc. I also think the reason he's so relatable is because he amps it up but keeps it precisely on an understandable level. no one really gets confused as to what his Fe is doing, its pretty linear, its the context and situations he finds himself in, as well as the timing and general Ne zaniness that really makes him. if you contrast him with Ewan Mcgregor in I love You Phillip Morris, I think this distinction becomes clear. McGregor relies more on Fe to do "more with less" emotionally, whereas Carrey uses a ton of Ne context in pulling off everything he does

[Olimpia]

Compare Jim Carrey to an SLE 7w6 (Sx/Sp), Dane Cook.
His Fe is less strong and "sophisticated", it has a slightly try-hard quality to it (HA).