Which site has the best type descriptions?

[Jarno]

I've sorted some socionics sites which have socionics type descriptions.

Which has the best socionics type descriptions?

http://www.socionics.in.ua/eng/harakter/01-ile.htm
http://www.socionics.com/prof/entp.htm
http://www.the16types.info/types-ENTP.php

Are there better sites that aren't posted here?

[Expat]

The best type descriptions are those in socionics.org, such as Filatova's, Stratiyevskaya's, etc. Some of which we have here.

The ones in socioscope.com are also pretty good.

For all of them you have to use translations, but I think the extra effort is worth it.

Rick has good ones in his site and blog, but only of a few types.

If you want only descriptions written in very good English, I think that the +/- ones in socionics.com are probably best.

[Jarno]

Thanks!

I think I've found on socionics.org what I was looking for.

They've got several descriptions and one of them is perfect.

I'll translate all 16 of them.

[reyn_til_runa]

I like DarkAngelFireWolf69's which are the second group from the top on linked page.

[raisonpure]

Aushra's descriptions at http://daer.narod.ru/AUSHRA/aushra.htm and the ones at www.socioscope.com are my favourites.

[stanprollyright]

Wikisocion is too difficult to understand without prior knowledge of Model A, Rick doesn't have all of them, and the Socionics.com descriptions are terrible. Where are some good descriptions to get beginners interested?

[Skeptic]

I honestly think that with the addition of simplified defintions we should put things like videos and pictures to help visualize the information; walls of text are hard to simply 'learn' from, especially from a theory which deals directly with its application and cannot be put to use from an uninvolved POV.

[tcaudilllg]

The socionics.com descriptions are DarkAngelFireWolf69's. They are not terrible; in fact, they are probably the best publicly available.

The absolute best are Boukalov's, which are not publicly available.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Gilly]

I'll post them. PMing you.

[tcaudilllg]

Augusta's (I presume) descriptions are short, to the point, but are pretty good though I don't believe any proper English translations are around anymore. They are the first descriptions on socionics.org which would naturally require the descriptions to be translated via whatever means and so would make the meaning obscured.

Filatova's descriptions are pretty good and are in readily coherent English on the Wiki.

The profiles on this site are not too shabby. (you would need to go to this link: ILE to get the descriptions)...well, maybe not so much for beginners, so nvm but i'll keep them here.

Aushra's are definitive, except she only completed 9. They are available though, although you have to do a kind of trick to get the access.

[Gilly]

This website:

Socionics.org

has a plethora of descriptions; it needs to be translated, but chrome will do it automatically and either babelfish or google translate does the job just fine.

[Gilly]

Wikisocion is not a reliable source. It is entirely biased towards niffweed's views of the functions and types.

[Gilly]

ILE

Two birds in the bush [he often chooses this option instead of one in his hand]. He is a genius at finding new opportunities and possibilities. What he has completed always seems to him less important compared to the dawning perspectives which are irresistible an inexhaustible. Scientists of this type tend to procrastinate with the publishing of the results of their research, thinking that the greatest discoveries are still ahead. He lives for the future; meanwhile being not acknowledged does not intimidate him. He chooses to do what is interesting rather than what is lucrative.

Recharge. He needs to feel emotional enthusiasm and ardor, and thus needs permanent sensory and emotional "recharge". He is unable to supply it himself, so he depends a lot on his surrounding. If nobody feeds him with impressions and positive emotions (nobody can do it as well as his dual The Mediator) � he mopes about life, loses ability to work and taste for life. To compensate for the absence of his dual he begins to mix with a lot of friends, becomes active in social projects, starts up clubs or scientific schools (Sigmund Freud, a representative of this type, invented the concept of sublimation to explain this fact).

A leader. He is a good organizer because he remarks potential possibilities in people and situations. If he is to wield power, he needs justification for it: why he must take that position, e.g. a critical situation that nobody else can deal with, assignment from the top. When he takes power, he begins to analyze the needs of his subordinates, tries to provide them with everything and only then makes the necessary demands on them.

A servant. His dependence on the emotional ambiance of others produces an effect of extreme compliance in minor and routine things. Having freed himself thus from having to pay attention to such unpleasant things, he switches for his favorite activity � figuring out the essence of things and phenomena. He does not differentiate people into �us� and �them�, tries to be equally polite to everybody.

Undifferentiated feeling. He believes that all people in their essence are kind and love one another. Therefore he looks funny enough when the situation requires initiative in expressing feelings � they are not his line at all.

Danger. Critical situations pep him up as much as good others� emotions. The more emotions and panic there is around him, the more active and assertive he becomes. It is impossible to intimidate him � an attempt to do so produces just the opposite outcome. He willingly takes responsibility in critical situations; however, in peaceful and quiet conditions he starts to doubt his right to occupy a responsible position, gets frustrated by the competition and leaves.

Liberty of communication. He likes familiarity in communication, however, does not show initiative in this, but awaits it from others.

SEI

He is amicable, always appears optimistic and in a good spirits. He does not impose his will on others, hiding his real feelings. He is always equally warm, caring, smiling. He does not like to ask and moreover to demand favors, and strives to satisfy his needs through his own efforts.
He appreciates all the facets of life, finely experiences nature and the arts. He is capable of remembering and reproducing emotions once experienced. Ayvazovsky painted his seascapes in a room with dark red walls and windows looking out in the opposite direction of the sea. He loves pleasures and knows how to bestow them � an artist in loving.
Attentive and considerate. Tries not to infringe on others� comfort. His very quick and consciously controlled emotional reactions aim to test or alter the emotions of the others. This results in many jokes � if they are out of turn he immediately takes them back. He is permanently in the process of emotional creativity, searching for the most effective ways to activate his partner. With exceptional ardor he manipulates the moods of his friends and relatives.
Peacemaker. He dislikes to quarrel, say �no�, break undesired acquaintances � this is why he avoids sticky people. He needs a partner, who under certain circumstances will also not quarrel, but just slam the door and leave. This is just how his dual, Don Quixote, will act. It�s noteworthy that Alexander Dumas (the great French novelist) picked Ida Ferrier out of the many of his mistresses, because she kept him at a longer leash than the others.
Who needs what? He remarks people�s needs, what motivates them, enjoys persuading everyone and winning them over to his side. But he needs his dual in order to know, whom he must convince and of what, because his dual possesses insights into potential capabilities of people, ideas, and undertakings.
He does not like to make people aware of his existence while there is no need of him. He strives neither to stand out as an advanced man nor to lag too far behind. He does not like to compete, shows initiative only on his own �territory�. He prefers that in his family initiative and responsibility belong to his partner, even if he is the one to carry everything out. An interesting fact: before Alexander Dumas The Father began writing "The Three Musketeers", "The Count of Monte-Cristo" and many other books, his secret co-author Max wrote their drafts.


ESE

Ardent. He has a wide spectrum of powerful emotions. He is capable of staying true to the vision of his youth throughout his whole life (Henry Schliemann still in his childhood decided to excavate the city of Troy; to achieve his dream he had to get an education, in spite of his poverty, and to get rich). An admirer of the arts as a source of pleasure. He creates his mood by himself and knows how to make it contagious for others. Emotionally fine, kind, compassionate.

Untiring. Always active, he is ever mixing with people, rushing to and from. He can easily switch from one task to another. He works very diligently. He does not prefer one errand to another, all should be accomplished whether interesting or not. This is not something to be discussed or analyzed; simply the work must be completed. He appears very self-assured and self-satisfied, as if succeeding without effort in all endeavors. It seems like he acts promptly and gets good results. However, he himself might not see it that way, so he greatly appreciates sincere compliments for his work.

My home is your home. Hugo is a pleasant interlocutor and a very attentive listener. He can pick the right key to any person. He joys himself in making others happy. Revels in table talks and all sorts of merriment. All his considerate attention is for his guest. He is capable of understanding other people, admire them, approve of their deeds, and express compassion. He trusts people, is distant from envy taking pleasure in the successes of others. He accurately detects their flaws and makes fun of them, without any intent to insult the person.

Traditionalist. He does not seek or like new solutions preferring older, time-tested methods. To solve the most intricate problems it is necessary for him to work alone, he gives too much attention to people and would be distracted if someone is around. When working among others he makes a lot of unnecessary movements, as if to disguise what he is really doing. In this way he draws to work his dual (The Analyst), which does not tolerate a commanding tone. He loves when people trust his word and do not demand for him to substantiate what he is saying. He is not aggressive, but he defends himself very actively. He won�t even let his superiors offend him.

Adherent of order. He loves to dress up and takes good care of his appearance. He can�t tolerate any disorder or uncertainty in everything from his appearance to his garage and cubbyhole. He does not wish to adapt to the tastes of others. Compliments on his appearance are in vain � he believes he knows better how he looks. He takes not of not just spiritual qualities of his partner, but physical as well.

Relationships in his life. People around him usually respect his opinion, but try not to communicate with him for too long, it is not easy to withstand his emotional charge. For the same reason he hasn�t too many close friends. He reaches his goals through his own hard work and does not hope for the assistance of others. What he values most in his life is his family. If he had to choose between love and a degree, he would choose the first, considering it a priority, while viewing science as a self-indulgence, a pleasurable avocation.


LII

"I think therefore I am". He is a man of developed logical faculty, a strong capability for analysis. He knows how to dig to the essence of things, to reveal their internal structure. A representative of this personality type, Carl Gustav Jung, drew the underlying basics of the functional typology used in Socionics. "Providence has created myself for quiet study work, to which it dedicated all the rapture of my soul", � said Thomas Jefferson, during whose presidency the territory of the US has grown nearly double. He considers all situations of life from the logical viewpoint.

"Justice is my trade". This is a type of a revolutionary or a political conspirator. In a conflict situation he usually organizes a committee to punish the offender. He believes that everything in the world must be logical and consequently just. He is capable of neglecting his own profit and safety when defending the offended. He sets for himself very high requirements. Unless somebody else takes care of him, he can easily drive himself to starvation. Garibaldi, Robespierre, Dzierzhynski, Jefferson are revolutionaries who devoted themselves to an idea.

Ascetic. He appears extremely uncompromising, often looks down with a piercing look from under his philosopher�s forehead. He toughens himself, training for the cold, starvation, losses and disapproval of others. The only aspect where he willingly concedes to his partner is the issue of dressing, taste and routine chores. The necessity to be responsible for these things irritates him. Usually he even does not notice the quality of his clothing. He does not tolerate orders. His dual The Bonvivant, as if being aware of that, involves him into work not by direct orders but begins to fuss about, to make a lot of unnecessary movements � then The Analyst gets involved, and the work goes rapidly, logically and soundly. He himself does not show much initiative, is reclusive and silent.

Somewhat tender and capricious. His self-sacrifice in defending justice becomes especially mind-boggling, if one knows that he feels irritated by everything that disturbs silence and the measured way of his life. He is very concerned about living healthy. Thusly Rene Descartes "considered health as the principal of mortal goods second to the Truth". In his youth he often tends to a cheerful lifestyle with many friends, games of chance, booze.
Later he comes to the conclusion that all those things are something other than what he really needs. He is not very ambitious but he does not tolerate when others get ahead of him in their career, out of the same feeling of justice. He finds himself in an especially hard situation when having to obey a boss whom he does not respect.

"He led a happy life who sheltered himself well". He is very secretive, dislikes uninvited visitors. He sharply reacts to reprimands, but sometimes hides his irritation under an artificial smile.

[Gilly]

EIE

To be or not to be? A serious person focused on global problems. Sees the world in dramatic, even tragic colors. Expects all kinds of trouble. Beethoven�s four notes � the theme of fate � sound like the theme of his life. He takes personal problems and addresses them on a global scale. Meanwhile he often also strives to give something back to mankind.

Romantic. Tends to permanent doubts and wavering. Sometimes seems to people around him to be an irritable, easily excitable individual. For example any unnecessary movements put him off, because the world as it is already seems to him too dynamic. Does not like to take initiative. He values feelings above cold-minded analysis.

Strategist. Knows how to time his efforts. Bravely enters a situation once he had carefully studied it and prepared everything ahead of time. He waits for the right time to make a move, makes arrangements for any possible turn of events, anticipates and plans against any problems, and then acts assertively, without taking a chance. He does not take his job lightly, feels responsible to complete the project he undertakes. Struggles for victory at any cost � it is easier for him to suffer defeat than settle for a compromise. In emergency situations his redundant caution disappears without any trace.

Good vs. evil. He never does things he considers as evil, and is very intolerable to evil in others. However, his ethical theory is based on his own principles, without consideration for customs and authority. Sometimes his views on problems of good and evil are very original. In any case he consequently acts on them and insistently defends them.

Attentive to people. He is sometimes even imposing and demanding, sympathizes with them, tries to rescue them during hard times. It is not so easy to get along with him, since he is not lighthearted in his attitude towards life. More likely he is a good family man/woman. He expresses his feelings for his partner not so much through material care, as with dramatic narratives and warnings against possible dangers. The latter quality is quite important for his dual (The Inspector) who is not very capable of forecasting future events. You may call him late at night; to your question "Did I wake you up?" he will reply cheerfully "You did!" (The Humanist), who also tends to empathize, will nevertheless reply "Not at all" in a tone of voice that will make you feel ashamed).

Unaesthetic in routine. He does not like to take care of routine chores in presence of others as a rule, in general unable to work while being watched. If he can, he will send everyone away to run an errand. He is very fearful that his movements would seem clumsy, unaesthetic.
Proud. He has a characteristic seemingly arrogant way of carrying himself. People may get an impression that he is acting, beefing up his own importance. He is a good leader.


LSI

A consistent adept. He is able to rationally and adequately choose the best of the available systems or dogmas and to fight for its implementation uncompromisingly up to the point of impertinence. He categorically rejects everything that cannot fit into this system, and perfects it to its ideal state. He is very consistent in the realization of his system, even when it comprises inconstancy. In this way Talleyrand succeeded in occupying the highest positions under Bourbons, the Convent, the Directory, Napoleon, and once again under Bourbons, and finally died prosperous and rich, which he has always strived for.

A sober realist. He never falls into despair or gives in to illusions; always he is equally stable, calm, and logical. He does not tend to fantasies and dislikes other people�s passion for hollow projects.

Researcher. He tends to profound analysis of narrow problems, establishes fastidiously their correlation to what he has previously learnt. He knows how to listen, sometimes he can listen simultaneously to two interlocutors. His norm of loneliness is high. He does not read much, prefers more to reflect � this is his favorite condition. He always elaborates the accumulated body of knowledge for practical implementation. To those who do not understand the problem in so many details as he does, his actions may appear paradoxical and unpredictable. Often he finds a solution where others are �too shy� to find it.

A mix of delicacy and adventurism. He is very reclusive and secretive. He does not like to be the center of attention. In communication, especially at a distance, he is sympathetic and not bothersome. At the same time, he needs listeners. He captivates people by his purposefulness in implementation of his own system. If he understands something and other people do not, he may fall into aggression. He is also stubborn and uncompromising, as a manager he tends to put the screws on. He is tactful, sympathetic to people; however, he treats them rather like instruments. Personal feelings, sympathies and antipathies do not distract him; the most important thing is the result. Ethic is submitted to logic (Stalin). He does not tolerate, when other people move his belongings � for him this is a grave insult. For him it is hard to tolerate aggressive people, although he does not strive to argue with them.

Stoic. He is hardy and just, does not spend time for redundant conveniences. He prefers to hide his real feelings: hunger, fatigue, pain, and fear � �an ill child will not groan, in order not to injure his mother�.

Close circle of friends. He does not hide his attraction to other people, sometimes it may even seem that he intends to show it. He does not leave unnoticed any person of the opposite sex. However, he can judge about other people�s feelings only by their external manifestations: e.g. how people look at him, speak with him. This is why he can easily mistake his desire to be loved for his partner�s real feeling. He is aware of that, and therefore is distrustful and suspicious.


SLE

The end result. This is the only thing that interests him. All he needs to achieve the final result he considers to be his vested interests. He is a strong-willed, determined person. "If stars shine at night � then somebody wanted it". With all his appearance he demonstrates he is far from being ostentatious, does not care for the impression he makes with others. �I did not understand, please repeat." � used to say Sergey Korolyov, the mastermind of the Soviet space technology. Few of Soviet top executives had the guts to ask this from Beria, the head of the Soviet secret police. All The Legionnaire does is performed with ardor, passionately and must be brought to its conclusion. He has the personality of an untamed struggler, who must come out on top no matter what the cost. "One should not avoid difficulties! One needs to learn how to overcome them" is his motto.

Die Hard. The expression "severe but just" became already trivial about this sort of persons. Marshal Zhukov was a really tough person, but only he could say to Stalin: "If you believe that the Head of the Chief Headquarters is capable only of talking gibberish, then he has no reason to be here. I ask you to relieve me of my rank as the Head of the Chief Headquarters and to send to the front". He has no back thoughts about his right to manage other people. Even taking into account his love to collegial discussion of issues, he always reserves the last sentence for himself. This is usually compensated by profound passion for his cause and the ability to seed the same enthusiasm in others.

A fine tactician. He quickly grasps the current situation and distribution of power, makes a decision and acts. He is capable of political maneuvering but never forgets his line. He possesses powerful logic function, but this kind of logic is determined and thus biased, its purpose isn�t philosophical speculations but the creative search for the shortcut to finding a solution. It is easier for him to concede his logic than his goal.

Dispassionate. He seldom gives in to fear, hatred, and other negative emotions, rarely gets surprised and rarely envies. The more dangerous the situation, the more self-disciplined and resolute he becomes.

He does not like to speak about feelings: this is not his line. And if by chance such words slip out, he feels as if he betrayed himself. He is afraid of emotional love, considering it an undeserved luxury. He is anxious of other feelings as well. Perceiving others to be just like him, he has no doubt that he may be desired, but he is seldom sure he can also be loved. He needs his partner�s emotional support and submits his emotions to him. However, in practical activity he never tends to adaptation, but only to dictation.


IEI

A somewhat idealistic romanticist. He is a person prone more to reflection than action. An individualist. He is little concerned with the present; he is more excited by brilliant perspectives of "bright cities, which may be built one day". His emotionality is of a high enough level, he understands very well the feelings of another and does not hide his own. But his emotionality is always somewhat restrained in order to observe the effect it produces. He expresses emotions not when another�s patience would get exhausted, but when he himself (she herself) considers it necessary. His way of handling emotions is very creative: for example, he may consider rage to be ethical, and restraint non-ethical.

Easily infatuated. What makes another stand out for him is forcefulness, drive, insightfulness, naturally if this force lends itself to the influence of his emotions. He is very tolerant to people, understands them and tries to forgive their weaknesses.

Tutankhamon�s smile. His line of defense in extreme conditions is his skill to demonstrate his attitude toward the situation, to reveal its comical aspects. So he has a fine sense of humor and possesses a very characteristic transparent smile, which appears at critical moments. His smile is warm, warming and exciting. However, his smile is in most cases caused by inner anxiety; the natural purpose of this smile is to raise his partner�s fighting spirit, to stir him up.

Elegant. He comes off as steady and upright. He practically never squints his wide-open eyes. Typically, he is not prone to lower his arch-shaped eyebrows. Elegance is an every day thing with him, not something reserved for outings and special occasions. One can seldom see him in a non-aesthetic pose, his voice intonations are also refined, and movements are plastic and even rhythmic. In the light of the aforementioned two things are amazing: he does not care much for the elegance of others (his dual, The Legionnaire, is emphatically non-demonstrative); chaos reins in his living quarters; both things and people which enter his home should find their places by themselves, or with the help of someone other then the Lyricist.

A struggler for the emotional naturalness of people. He feels responsibility for mood of his friends and relatives, for their vital tonus. He uses his fine sense of humor to make them laugh, shake them up. In a company he scans the attendees not in order to find out what they are wearing, but in order to remark how each is feeling: this is exactly what he needs to relate to others. In general, he dreams of bringing harmony into society. History means to him history of the arts. He strives for beauty, which may be � poetry, arts, even nice trinkets. He himself strives to be refined. He adores communication with artists, poets, bohemians, and in general with exotic people.

[Gilly]

SEE

Kindness is power. He takes pride in his influence with people, their love and respect, of his own popularity, gladly leads others. He is assertive and kinky in expressing his sexuality, but aloof in dealing with the objective world, mistrustful towards new scientific ideas and in general towards everything things objective, which he perceives as too impersonal. He feels much more confident and therefore has a clear conscience, only in the field of manipulating people.

Restless activity, greed for practical actions. He never hides his feelings � en contraire, he takes special pride in them. It is easy for him to sound sincere, when he expresses his true feelings. He expresses his admiration both verbally and with a look in his eyes. He is always an adherent of love in all its aspects, both carnal and psychological, if he needs it. Even when a feeling is of a passing nature, he knows very well what he desires from his lover, has no intention to adapt � only to dictate. He is arrogant, optimistic, before a complicated situation he does not go shy but tries to resolve it immediately in a few decisive moves.

He pays a lot of attention to the esthetic and order in his surroundings. Frequently he is the possessor of inborn taste, knows how to dress well and demands the same from his partners. He is attentive to �physical parameters� of his partner. In all his activities he shows a lot of initiative. However, he lacks a sense of measure: he is ever unsure that he has done all he could.

Less nagging and more living! His life may be poisoned by the demands of those close to him to think his actions through, to act �rationally�. This is too much for him to withstand, such demands only make him want to act more irrationally, and brush reason aside altogether to spite everyone. In fact, he acts cleverly and logically until someone starts to demand of him to do so, i.e. as long as he is �respected� and �reckoned with�. It is useless to dispute his logic: one can influence him only by challenging him to set aside his goals in favor of other ones, more noble and harder attainable.

Laws are cowards� inventions. His initiative and passion for new undertakings are so great that no criticism, even permanent grumble of his dual (Balzac, The Critic) who condemns almost each display of enthusiasm, can spoil his mood. Moreover: criticizing calms him down, for him it signals that his activities did not pass unnoticed and that he must have done enough.

Disappointment. Due to his initiative and demanding nature he frequently feels disappointed with his loved ones: they turn out to be �not what they seemed to be�, not perceptive enough of his whims. The bottom line is that he needs a partner who is easy to adapt to without adapting at all (without changing his own nature). If such a partner is not nearby, he gets up to mischief in order to draw such a person�s attention.


ILI

"Imagination directs me". He possesses a powerful, intellectual imagination. A representative of this type, Honor� de Balzac, in his series of novels, The Human Comedy �painted� the portraits of more than 2000 people who appear hyper real: "he is comparable perhaps only to the city controller�s office" � wrote of him Andre Maurois. Similarly, the phantasmagoric world of Gabriel Garc�a Marquez is impressively precise in every detail. Due to this quality The Critic can forecast the future quite well. From empirical observations of how a man acts at various times he creates something like a functional model in his mind. In general, he tends to know everything in advance. If he did not have to warn other people about possible dangers (opportunities interest him less), he most possibly would feel himself redundant.

"A priest�s calmness and restraint". He almost never expresses emotions and protects from them his family and friends. He sincerely believes that passions, too strong, will lead one to his doom. Honor� de Balzac has constantly demonstrated throughout his literary works how passion spreads like a devastating cancer that eats away the souls of men until it finally suppresses all else. This holds totally true in the case of his dual (Caesar, The Politician), a hyperactive person that easily gets carried away.

A profound analyst. He is convinced that living is impossible if one disregards the natural laws that regulate the world. One who ignores reality is heading for disaster. The Criticist believes that it is better to be somewhat too cynical then be a hypocrite. Hearing of a situation, he very soon thoroughly understands it and begins to tell to the bewildered interlocutor the details and aspects that the latter had overlooked. His analysis is devoid of any self-encouragement. �You shouldn�t have a different attitude towards life than you have for the kitchen � the same amount of stinking odor; if you want to cook a dish, you�ll have to get your hands dirty, just make sure you�ll be able to wash the dirt off once you are done; that�s the entire moral of our day and age." � So speaks Vautrin, a hero of Balzac�s books. Such misanthropy can kill the anybody�s spirits, except his dual (The Politician)!

"First and foremost, he is kind". In spite of all his �negativism�, he is really a very kindly person in nature. The above phrase about Honor� de Balzac belongs to George Sand who knew him very well. He likes strong people who know their way in life, who demand concessions: such people release him from the necessity to invent goals, while using methods invented by him (he is a master of inventing methods.) He is capable of pouring a bucket of cold water out on the head of an enthusiast. But on the other hand, he is likewise capable of easing one�s despair, when they are unlucky, when things go the wrong way, when destiny seems to be hostile�

Unapproachable and thus desired. A girl-student by the name of Laima (The Politician) gave a good description of this type when she tried to describe the hero of her dreams: "He must be handsome and smart, with big and sad eyes, not talkative. He does not tell compliments, and by that he creates an impression of his inapproachability. He is taunted by myriads of problems, which, in my opinion are nothing to be bothered with. I am attracted by his sadness, seriousness, so I try to amuse him, to raise his spirits, to make him happy. If such a boy is present at a party, I wouldn�t be bored." This is a vivid description of this personality type, who is constant in his feelings, does not like adventures, and desires total dependence of his demanding partner.


LIE

"Time does not wait!". He is untiring in working, science or anything else that brings objective results in the future. He makes everything very rapidly, work �boils� at his hands. Even his gait is very specific, bouncing, and if he can, he prefers to run. A representative of this type the great writer Jack London had changed in his life a lot of occupations: delivery man, worker, prospector, sailor, writer. This was his self-sacrifice in the name of Art and Success.

Romantic. Very often he practices alpinism, tourism (one of Jack London�s favorite topics was the struggle against the merciless nature). He is attracted by faraway places; often he is the first who gets drawn into various dubious undertakings. Often he invents romantic adventures and believes in them himself. However, these inventions usually have real prototypes in life. He loves to demonstrate his own courage. Even the negligence of his appearance is challenging to others� sense of propriety.

"An absent-minded professor". Due to his well-developed abstract thinking he is not always attentive to his appearance. If he cares of his dressing himself, he is always bedraggled, this is why he completely relies upon his partner�s taste and allows him to take charge of routine problems. For the same reason he does not tolerate when others stare at him (this is why his dual The Conservator often avoids to look directly into his interlocutor�s eyes), just because he, due to his inattention to his surroundings, is uncertain of how he appears to others. He is always insecure about his appearance and somewhat worries about his imaginary plainness. He needs a partner who possesses a well-developed aesthetic feeling, whose taste may be quite reliable; he needs to feel: my partner likes me even in spite of her well-developed, fussy and even pretentious taste.

Optimistic. He quickly reacts to everything that brings emotions, especially positive. He is as if preprogrammed for rising spirits of his dual (The Conservator) who always looks somewhat scared or angry. He permanently irradiates friendliness, positive emotions, and smiles. He tries to make his partner laugh, shakes and hassles her in all possible ways, until she finally reacts, either positively or negatively, otherwise he will not have information about his condition (of course, in this sentence HE and SHE pronouns may be used vice versa). He likes to relate and to discuss what he has read and heard. It is easy for him to start up a conversation with a person he has never been familiar with.

Love for life. He searches permanent and constant human relations. He does not understand very well feelings and attractions of other people; this is why he is careful in this field and is afraid of being funny. He much values human life: a woman of this type, if having to choose the lesser evil, will rather choose to become a single mother than to make an abortion.


ESI

He easily earns other people�s trust. He is polite, tactful, has fine esthetical taste and knows how to apply it. He knows for sure who loves whom, who hates whom, who wants (either what or whom), who influences whom and why. A moralist, often is distinguished by the sharpness of his comments. He perfectly remembers both good and evil, and considers it necessary to �repay� for them. He values friendship very much and does not forgive treason. However, he is not constant in love before marriage, because considers impossible to keep on relations that are exhausted. He does not like those who are incapable of loving. He regulates relations not as much by words but by voice tone and expressive look. He does not reveal emotions much, and so appears cold-blooded. Often he does not look directly into his interlocutor�s eyes, as though in order not burn him down. A complicated ethical situation inspires him.

"Emotional barrier". In a new group of people he is usually a quiet, modest person. He watches and listens in order to understand whether he can attract people to himself and to his ideal of human relations. If he cannot, then he keeps on silence or even leaves. Among those whom he considers friends he is active and talkative. Friends are those who accept his ethical norms. He submits his emotions to the emotions of the others: among cheerful people he is cheerful as well, among angry he too is angry.
Enemy must envy. He never reveals his wrath and fury, but remains emphatically polite and self-satisfied. Only a good friend can see him bedraggled and not sufficiently careful. He is always "totally buttoned up", internally mobilized, extremely intolerant to untidiness and disorder.

Sexual liberties are not for him. He keeps fidelity to his spouse not for him/her, but for the sake of self-respect. For a woman of this type a thought that somewhere is a man who �has had� her is unbearable. He dislikes a lot, when somebody snoops about his talents, potential capabilities or boasts about own capabilities in front of other people.
He lives in the �here and now� and does not like to wait. He prefers the kinds of work that he can complete quickly and enjoy the result. While others consider him punctual, he considers himself being always late. Due dates make him really nervous. This is why The Entrepreneur, his dual, having bought tickets to a theater, will keep it secret until the last day.

He expresses love through actions rather than words; however, he does not like to invent tasks for himself and in everyday activities gladly submits to his partner�s will. At any time he can leave one task and switch to another, if his partner wishes him to. He may even sacrifice himself for society. For instance, in his family he can bear responsibility for all everyday material needs, when his partner performs a socially important position.

[Gilly]

LSE

Rapid, clear, sober mind. He knows how to act in an intelligent and logical way. His bearing is sporty, facial traits are sharp and coarse, as if carved from granite, and by this all � covert nervousness, high internal emotionality. His motto sounds: force, integrity and a sense of duty. He is a born scout � he collects information using all available channels until he achieves an absolutely clear picture that provides him with indemnity to act for sure.

"All I do is done well". One more quotation: "There is a gift which is always characteristic of great baseball players and teams. This is onslaught. This is the capability to run more rapidly then one is required to, to move more quickly than one is required to, to be more impertinent than one is required to� (Ph.Brooks). Initiative is habitual to him; he is decisive, likes to be the center of attention. He defends his ideas with guts and fervor. In front of his superiors he is not shy, even becomes aggressive. He knows that business only then goes perfectly if the necessary tempo is set from the very beginning. He does not tolerate procrastination, is an ardent struggler for quality and thoroughness in all work. A good army officer. Like Thomas Edison, a representative of this type is capable of working 19.5 hours a day.

"Rage is a mighty god of the strong". He tends to take other people out of the condition of complacency. He does not speak much about what is good, considers it self-evident. With his grumbling emotions he strives to extinguish emotions of others. He believes that redundant emotions tire people, and this is absolutely true if applied to his dual (The Humanist). During a conversation he pressures his interlocutor, even tries to intimidate him, but if people do not fear him, he becomes courteous and polite. Fury is his line of defense in a situation of emergency in which he feels otherwise helpless. The aim of his fury is to mobilize his partner, and when this is achieved, he calms down.

Belief in playing fair. He considers obedience to rules to be a strength trait.
He does not tolerate slyness and deviousness, hates cheaters and dodgy folks. "Political maneuvers may produce a quick effect, but a truly lasting and tangible results can be reached only through hard work" (Kim Philby). He likes order. Having bought a new thing, he will for sure read the manual and only then will switch it on. The famous traveler Roald Amundsen managed to avoid extreme situations all his life. "Victory awaits those who keep things orderly�, he used to say, �and this is what we call good fortune". A believer in honest labour. "If everything seems to be easy, this is an infallible evidence that the worker is far from being skilled and that the work is above his competence" (Leonardo Da Vinci).

"A reserved force characteristic for military officers". He looks well built, has a straight bearing even if he has never served in the army. He dresses well and elegantly, but does not like to dress to demonstratively. He wears his clothes very long, and it always looks permanently fresh, as if unaffected by time. He never buys uncomfortable shoes, and makes others dress very neatly. An aesthete.


EII

Bearer of quiet introspection, hidden sea of feelings. The world of his feelings is so fine and rich that he does not need verbal reassurances of someone�s love for him. Even without words he observes, who loves whom and how, who needs or doesn�t need whom. His most important capability is his ability to adapt to his partner�s emotions, to empathize, release emotional tension, to calm down.

He is usually a quiet, amicable man. Being in groups, he prefers to keep silence and watch, but among his close friends his behavior switches to the opposite � then one cannot call him too shy, because he remarks perfectly, how other people treat him, and knows how to improve their relation to him. Strives to submit other people to his own understanding of ethical and non-ethical. He never imposes his own emotions on others, but accompanies, empathizes emotions of his partner. He demonstrates specific emotional standstill. He is sure that other people need him to be quiet, calm, tranquil. He strives to be something like a "compress" other people can apply to their wounds.

Cannot refuse if asked to do something. This is why people often exploit him. He needs such a partner, submitting to whom, he can shield himself from excessive chores. In relations with people his interests are narrowed to a certain group, but in the objective world he is interested by absolutely everything: his intellect and skills are really omnivorous. He is scarcely capable of evaluating the quality of his work and time spent to accomplish it. Often he cannot distinguish between a triviality and what is really important. He knows what he can do but does not know what he needs to do. He cannot stay aside when other people are working, and keeps on working when other people already finished. He dislikes very much being ordered to do something new while some other things have not been yet done.

Critical towards his own beauty (handsomeness), will, energy. He feels much pain when criticized for these aspects. Compliments on these aspects are not accepted as ambiguous only when they are expressed face-to-face, in a mild tone, without emphasis. He needs silent or not emphasized recognition. He cannot afford being untidy.

Deed is the best care. His partner can provide pleasant emotions he needs from time to time through intelligence, logic, demands, and ability to protect. One needs to show up for the rendezvous on time, fulfill promises, be polite, thoughtful, and there is no need in more proofs of love or further conversations. If the smartest interlocutor explains his opinion in the form of speculations, instead of short and resolute formulations, then Dostoyevsky feels permanently dissatisfied and unhappy of being together with him. And his main requirement to his partner is: faithfulness. He does not forgive infidelity.

IEE

An ardent enthusiast. He is a highly spiritual, artistic individual. The Psychologist quickly resolves any personal problems, always relying upon his talent for immediate improvisation instead of preparing the work in advance. He loves situations when new and exciting undertakings come up, when it is possible to demonstrate his own and others� talents; when one can still expect the most unusual development of events.

A Don Juan. He gauges various virtues and talents in the people he meets and cannot hold back from reporting his observations to them with great enthusiasm. Often other people mistake his dramatic display of emotions for his real feelings, which earns him the reputation of a Don Juan. In fact, he is quite conservative in his feelings, attached to a close circle of his friends, whose opinions hold great weight for him and totally determine his mood, behavior, and knowledge. If he really is a playboy, he does not hide it.

Sensitive. His speech is often romantic, his smiles are enticing, but very often that�s as far as it goes. His motto is �emotional power over all and sexual freedom from all�.

"Modest". As a rule, he is not ambitious, because he can enjoy the circle of his friends and the anticipation of something interesting. Unlike The Politician, who likes to be an obvious ruler of the situation, he prefers to be its covert ruler. And his influence is directed first of all towards making other people reveal their skills and talents.

A scientist. He is sensitive about how others evaluate his mental skills. Often he strives to get a degree in higher learning, achieve scientific recognition and awards: this gives him the opportunity to work with a clear conscience (without having to doubt his qualifications). He is touchy when other people criticize ideas that he holds dear, or deny him and his friends� talents. This is why he prefers the company of those who share his beliefs.

A person of mood. His mood determines everything: plans for the future, self-estimation, and ideas about the world. Ambitious plans can change to disappointment and sadness; but interesting news, praise, or an unexpected interesting opportunity immediately lifts his spirits. Boredom can even make him ill.

Altruistic. He is ready to help other people in solving their personal problems. The greatest pleasure for him is to find a way out from the situation that others consider hopeless. He is capable of demonstrating friendliness and benevolence to all. However, he saves his real efforts for about whom he is serious, and in this case he does much more than people ever expect from him and more than he himself promises.


SLI

An iceberg in the ocean. He is obstinate, reclusive, almost always equally cold and enigmatic. His movements are quiet, precise, and very economical: other people often get an impression that his results disproportionately exceed the efforts invested. He is characterized by non-ostentatious quiet persistence and reliable accomplishment of everything he commenced, internal responsibility for deeds and modesty. Like a typical Briton, he is not ostentatious in his attitude towards work, as well as not demonstrative in revealing his feelings at all. At first he may seem to do everything coolly, carelessly. But gradually it becomes clear that his unhurriedness reflects his general tempo of life: a combination of relaxation and perfection.

Talented laziness. Unlike The Searcher, he will scarcely spend his energy for futile work. He is a born inventor, but he does not hurry with the implementation of his ideas, until conditions for maximum effect will ripen. He is proud of his capability of not doing unnecessary things; adores comfort and conveniences. When performing common tasks together with somebody else, everything very easily and without pressure from his side goes the way he likes. All space accessible to him is organized ideally for work and rest. He is an aesthete who completely trusts his taste. He dresses very neatly, with taste, but as a rule not challenging convention. His skin is sensible: "a princess on a pea" must have been said about a woman of this type.

Reserved richness of emotions. It is his aptitude for hiding emotions under the mask of inapproachability and coldness that makes them finely �polished� and expressive (there are many actors among representatives of this type, e.g. Vladimir Vyssotsky, Adriano Celentano). He is calm under any circumstances, but calm in a different manner. He remains cold and unapproachable when he loves, and does not hurry to trust feelings of his somewhat frivolous dual (The Psychologist). He is very jealous and mistrustful: he is horrified that his emotions will be ridiculed. In dangerous situations he stubbornly fears nothing, approaches the source of danger very calmly. This is his best move � to go directly towards the opponent, and the stronger one shall prevail. This is also the main pose of the actor Jean
Gabin - impertinence, non-compliance, internal correctness and courage. The more lonely he is, the more unapproachable.

Goals and methods. Sometimes he may be mistaken for a lazybones and a chatterbox, especially when being without his dual for long: he speaks a lot but does nothing, as if waiting for something. In such a situation he is really waiting: for a scream for help. He will not work without a goal, and is not capable of inventing goals himself. Only The Psychologist, the ardent enthusiast, has a key, which starts up the precise and flawless mechanism of The Craftsman. As a reward The Craftsman considers the joy he has brought by his labor. He judges about sincerity of others by voice inflection, which automatically mobilizes him. Both desire and joy are often best expressed by his dual � The Psychologist � who is in addition a great specialist of finding talents and admiring them sincerely. And The Craftsman has to be a favorite, for he does not tolerate equal rewarding regardless of contribution. Only sincere feelings expressed by the eyes and intonations can win him over.

[717495]

Pretty good descriptions of the types. I don't relate to any of them, except for ILI.

Unapproachable and thus desired. A girl-student by the name of Laima (The Politician) gave a good description of this type when she tried to describe the hero of her dreams: "He must be handsome and smart, with big and sad eyes, not talkative. He does not tell compliments, and by that he creates an impression of his inapproachability. He is taunted by myriads of problems, which, in my opinion are nothing to be bothered with. I am attracted by his sadness, seriousness, so I try to amuse him, to raise his spirits, to make him happy. If such a boy is present at a party, I wouldn�t be bored." This is a vivid description of this personality type, who is constant in his feelings, does not like adventures, and desires total dependence of his demanding partner.

Heh. That's pretty much the relation right there.

A little SEE girl approached me once in the grocery store and asked me why I was sad. I don't know, I said. I wasn't sad.

[Gilly]

Wow, this is really good.

Gilly, is it alright if I quote you and sticky some of these descriptions in Beta?

Fo sho

[Suz]

Those descriptions are the ones from socioniko.net, i thought u had something new Pied Piper.

[Suz]

Aushra's are definitive, except she only completed 9. They are available though, although you have to do a kind of trick to get the access.

Well? would you mind sharing the "trick" and how to access them?

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

Removed at User Request

[Wynch]

Wow, reading those makes me seriously reconsider IEE. Both ILE and IEE descriptions made me stop and go wow, that's really close. And then the Optimistic paragraph from LIE as well. I might take these descriptions and make a new typing thread, or perhaps a blog post, lol.

[Suz]

Wow, reading those makes me seriously reconsider IEE. Both ILE and IEE descriptions made me stop and go wow, that's really close. And then the Optimistic paragraph from LIE as well. I might take these descriptions and make a new typing thread, or perhaps a blog post, lol.

Yeah actually i felt that way too. But i have to say, of the two I related more to the IEE one.

[Suz]

These are the exact descriptions that were on this website before being put down, this is what I said and I'm sorry that they are not sufficiently satisfactory to you, Sir. They differ in some places, for example ENFp:


No idea whether this is the only difference or there are others.

PP u are so sensitive! I was just hoping for some completely new info.

but you're right, I'm glad that first section is now no longer a mystery to me--i do remember the "removed for copyright reasons" thing and was really disappointed to not be able to read it, when I was on socioniko. So thanks!

BTW. . .I'm not a sir. Can't a girl be a workaholic????? (or a former one )

if someone can link to Aushra's descriptions that would be AWESOME.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

Removed at User Request

[DirectorAbbie]

I have my own couple papers that I made to study when I first learned of socionics. I use them to show newbies. They're more visual than most descriptions.

[Suz]

I have my own couple papers that I made to study when I first learned of socionics. I use them to show newbies. They're more visual than most descriptions.

Do share!!!!!

[HERO]

Here are the type descriptions that I know of [a lot of them are kind of biased]:


Who is the ENTp? | ENTp
[ILE]

Who is the ISFp? | ISFp
[SEI]

Who is the ESFj? | ESFj
[ESE]

Who is the INTj? | INTj
[LII]

Who is the ESTp? | ESTp
[SLE]

Who is the INFp? | INFp
[IEI]

Who is the ENFj? | ENFj
[EIE]

Who is the ISTj? | ISTj
[LSI]

Who is the ESFp? | ESFp
[SEE]

Who is the INTp? | INTp
[ILI]

Who is the ENTj? | ENTj
[LIE]

Who is the ISFj? | ISFj
[ESI]

Who is the ENFp? | ENFp
[IEE]

Who is the ISTp? | ISTp
[SLI]

Who is the ESTj? | ESTj
[LSE]

Who is the INFj? | INFj
[EII]


Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ENTp
[ENTp/ILE]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ISFp
[ISFp/SEI]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ESFj
[ESFj/ESE]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - INTj
[INTj/LII]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ENFj
[ENFj/EIE]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ISTj
[ISTj/LSI]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ESTp
[ESTp/SLE]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - INFp
[INFp/IEI]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ESFp
[ESFp/SEE]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - INTp
[INTp/ILI]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ENTj
[ENTj/LIE]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ISFj
[ISFj/ESI]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ESTj
[ESTj/LSE]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - INFj
[INFj/EII]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ENFp
[ENFp/IEE]

Ïñèõîëîãèÿ è ñîöèîíèêà :: Ïðîñìîòð òåìû - ISTp
[ISTp/SLI]

[Shazaam]

estp: jocks in high school that like to throat fuck people. overbearing, annoying. frequently in trouble with the law.

infp: emo fag artists who need to get a real job, but they won't. want to be writers or artists. just lazy and unemployed. need to work more fag!

istj: wannabe porn stars or rigid police ranger/type people.

enfj: chris crocker-ish faggy artists, drag queens, and entertainers.


isfp: obese housewives that are more practical than infps, but just as useless.

entp: professor-y types that are at 'wonder' with the world without doing much of anything, like their duals. like to look out the window at shooting stars and theorize.

esfj: co-dependent motherly types that like to do things for other people that they can do for themselves. take 'caregiving' too far.

intj: stern professor types that need to have more of a backbone. Very smart but lacks a physical presence. Gets beat up in school a lot. Infps get emotionally tortured, but never physically abused: intjs get both. Se polr sucks!


esfp: greek-ish narcissistic types that are friendly to everybody but don't really go anywhere.

intp: critical daria science nerds that just criticize things all day.

entj: professional types, who all they care about is money. they're just boring. need to be more like infps and talk about interesting things like sex and human drama instead of money.

isfj: rigid, stern, moralistic people that like to morally judge others.


enfp: real world therapist types that like to tell betas 'NOBODY CARES. GET A REAL JOB FAG.' loves to try 'fixing betas.' idealistic, yet practical. loves telling introverts what to do.

estj: hardworking business men that are aggressive, all they care about is money and right-wing morals.

infj: passive-aggressive morality types that like to criticize homosexuals for fisting when they should be contributing to society.

istp: paranoid types that are silent and like to fix your toaster while secretly judging you harshly in their own minds. (unless you are an enfp)

[EyeSeeCold]

Why'd you go with science for INTp? Philosophy/pseudo-psychology would have been more typical.

lol at ISTp.

[Shazaam]

it can be either/or , I think.

and lol I was spot on with istp wasn't I? My cousin's husband is an istp and he behaves that way around other people. Like you can tell he's criticizing somebody in his mind, but he doesn't say anything.

[Metaphor]

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