A defect in humanity eh? You should get into politics!The debate begins. I think theyre evil. They often do things just to hurt others, or so it seems to me.
A defect in humanity eh? You should get into politics!The debate begins. I think theyre evil. They often do things just to hurt others, or so it seems to me.
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So true. It just seems like a lot of people don't care to get to step number 3...Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
ISFjs are only evil to me, I know other people get along with them ... the only type that I absolutely can not stand is ISTj. But, that is for personal reasons.
Ditto.So true. It just seems like a lot of people don't care to get to step number 3...
As the old saying goes, "it takes all types of people to make the world go round".
Without SPs, life would truly be very boring and dull. Without visionary NFs dreaming of how things could be better how would things ever advance? And without NTs to figure out how to make those ideas happen, what good are the dreams? And without SJs creating structures and stability such that we can all live and work in relative peace, how would anybody get anything done with such a chaotic and unstable world without them?
The type bashing I see on certain other forums is some of the stupidest stuff I have ever seen. Especially when it's iNtuitives who are always supposed to be seeing things from different angles, or realizing that there's always another view.
Te-INTp/ILI, my wife: Fi-ISFj/ESI, with laser beam death rays for ESTp/SLEs, lol
16 years of bliss in an Activity relationship
BTW I'm >90% confident that my self-identified ESTj wife is really an ISFj now. I love her to death. Yes there's some things about her that could be perceived as "evil", but there are things about me that I see as "normal" that others could perceive as "evil" as well.
Te-INTp/ILI, my wife: Fi-ISFj/ESI, with laser beam death rays for ESTp/SLEs, lol
16 years of bliss in an Activity relationship
Oh please, not again... I've read the other thread, and some of the postings were surprising. Flaming a type that appears to be underrepresented on this forum isn't fair. Especially when that type gets effectively vilified behind its back for allegedly vilifying people behind their backs.ISFJs are evil.
With some of the particularly bad things that were said about ISFJs, I didn't have the foggiest idea what on earth people were talking about. No ISFJ I know is even remotely like that. So either
(a) ISFJs improve as they get older, just like the rest of us.
...or (b) as we get older, we've got to adapt to the pressures of the workplace and become more disciplined, organized, punctual etc., so the difference between us and ISFJs becomes smaller. I've lived to see the day when some of the things my Mum tried to teach me began to make sense.
...or (c) ISFJs are a type that really profits from moving to another part of the country. (That's easy here in Europe - you drive an hour in any direction and you're abroad.) ISFJs tend to value the "tested and tried", the "but we've always done it like this", and they listen to voices of authority. If they move out of their comfort zone to a place where things are done differently, where different principles apply, and where THEY form a minority, that may help to broaden their horizon and counteract some of their failings.
...or (c) ISFJs are evil in their teens, but on the eve of their 21th birthday, their fairy godmother sprinkles them with fairy dust, and hey presto...
...or (d) all the bad ISFJs of this world left Europe in the 19th century (because we were too decadent for their taste) and have emigrated to America, so no wonder all ISFJs you guys know are evil... OURS are nice.
...or (e) this type of thread is part of a conspiracy. A secret society of giant man-eating bugs wants to rule the world, and they first have to discredit all the upright, ethical types so no one listens to them anymore... the ISFJs are first, but if we don't watch out, us NFs are next... so be warned! Doom! Doooom! DOOOOOMMMM!!
Hey, yeah, speaking of that I've got this idea of space colonization and time travelling, maybe you could help me out...
ISFjs are only evil in their no-comfort zone, and there we all are. If you feel threatened, you aren't going to be Mr./Ms./Mrs. Nice Guy/Gal.
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a lot of isfj's are fun too. i mean all people can be playful. it's just that usually isfj's are shy at first and they only get talkative once they get comfortable with the person. one of my closest friends is an isfj. she's witty and she has a good sense of humor. sometimes we would play pranks on our friends and stuff... I would edit the faces of my teachers in photoshop and put it in my site. I was even caught once(it's good he didn't gave me an offense) because i think that teacher is interested in me and is stalking me. he really gives me shivers. anyway, i think once you get close with isfj's, and you start getting silly, they'd follow you too. my friend and i like to take silly pictures of ourselves.
isfj's are usually kind but i'm not saying we don't have negative parts in our personality. no one is perfect.
lol this thread is funny to read in it's current context
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it makes you think though... perhaps the best test of a persons type is when they make a post about how much they really hate that type :wink:
My girlfriend is an ISFj, and I'd definitely say that one of the most annoying parts of her personality, is her discomfort with change. She's lived in the same house her whole life (20 years so far), and doesn't ever want to move out. Ever.
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"When my time comes, forget the wrong that I've done.
Help me leave behind some reasons to be missed."
I've got her beat... 33 years (well except for some time "on the road")
How could she know whether she will change it or not? She's only 20. Anyway, I know ISFjs that have changed home a lot, but they have trouble with changing jobs, for example, even if the job is low-paying in comparison to what they could obtain (especially if the pay is now higher, but stably low on the long term, as opposed to a lower-paying one but with higher prospects).
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lol this thread is funny to read in it's current context
no....it really isn't.
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[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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I've seen this, too. Moving is still very stressful for them though.How could she know whether she will change it or not? She's only 20. Anyway, I know ISFjs that have changed home a lot, but they have trouble with changing jobs, for example, even if the job is low-paying in comparison to what they could obtain (especially if the pay is now higher, but stably low on the long term, as opposed to a lower-paying one but with higher prospects).
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
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~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
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[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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Re: ISFjs ARE EVIL!!!!!
Talk about irony.
so very pointless
lol I don't think it's pointless... it shows that a person shouldn't be too convinced of their type since it's entirely possible to later flip your opinion all the way over to your conflictor.
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I've been going out with her for 3 years, as I've said, and every time the subject comes up, she tells me she doesn't want to move.How could she know whether she will change it or not? She's only 20. Anyway, I know ISFjs that have changed home a lot, but they have trouble with changing jobs, for example, even if the job is low-paying in comparison to what they could obtain (especially if the pay is now higher, but stably low on the long term, as opposed to a lower-paying one but with higher prospects).
And I tend to move house every 4 or so years.
INTP/ILI(Ni)
"When my time comes, forget the wrong that I've done.
Help me leave behind some reasons to be missed."
Can you move in with her? Does she say why she doesn't want to move?
She doesn't want to move out because she doesn't want to leave her parents.So no. No chance of me really moving in with her family.
Edit: Actually, no, it's not just this. She's grown attached to the house, for some reason.
INTP/ILI(Ni)
"When my time comes, forget the wrong that I've done.
Help me leave behind some reasons to be missed."
20 years of growing up in the same place will do that too ya.
I can understand that... I'm way more attached to my house and the surrounding neighborhood than I am to my parents... hell I barely interract with them. But everything within a 1 mile radius I have strong memories and attachments to from as long I can remember being alive.
I think this is where me being an army brat moving around quite a bit when I was young helped me move away from home and not having any really hard ties I needed to break. Of course I'm still the same way now. I graduated college @ 20yrs old in Tennessee and moved to Arizona a month later and lived for 4 years, now I live in Oregon going on a 3rd year. If something came up now where i'd make more money and had a bettter schedule I'd probably move again.I can understand that... I'm way more attached to my house and the surrounding neighborhood than I am to my parents... hell I barely interract with them. But everything within a 1 mile radius I have strong memories and attachments to from as long I can remember being alive.
For some people, perhaps.20 years of growing up in the same place will do that too ya.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
the weird part is I have no attachments to my stuff... through a seiries of fires and general purgings of my stuff I've gotten used to losing everything I own every five or six years. The only real bad part about it is the amount of art and stuff I've lost, expecially wood carvings and clay sculptures (which I'm fucking awsome at if may toot my own horn :wink: ). I can't imagine the number of hours of work that have been lost because of that. Now I'm pretty used to just giving that stuff away once I finish it. I figure at least that way they stay "alive" in the world someplace instead of being destroyed as it seems to happen when they "live" with me.
Talk to her about her specific concerns about leaving her parents, and ask about other possible concerns. I'm sure she has many.
Keep in mind that ISFjs have a Ne PoLR, and big changes can be a difficult thing for them to deal with on their own. They worry about all of the things that could possibly go wrong, and explaining to them what will most likely happen, what could go wrong, and how it can be handled if it goes wrong is important.
What's wrong with ISFjs? They're not evil.
My bestfriend is ISFj. I love her.
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No, ISFjs are not evil.
yeah, sorry about that. That was based on my limited experience with SEI at the time. I actually met a pretty cool one in one of my classes.Well ignoring the ISFP part. ISFJ are cool people to hang out with. I have a friend who is an ISFJ but known her for only 4 month. Tend to like to orginize there food when they eat. Agree they are just people. They can be nitpicky and whinny if they want.
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Normally, ESI's are very cool, they can become aggressive under stress, like most IJ types.
When unhealthy, IJ types are likely to become passive-aggressive, especially males. They can even become reckless.
ESI's are ethical-dominant. That doesn't mean they are all outgoing and sociable, but they can be highly manipulative. This is a difference between ESI and LSE. I recently studied a kind of ESI which contradicts myersian definition for an ISFJ. They can be mistaken as LSE because they can get aggressive if they are in stress. (I'm talking of course about counterphobic ESI's)
As ESI's are negativists, their psyche processes more negative aspects of reality than positive aspects. As they are J types, they have low stress tolerance. As ESI is correlated to E6, which has a low serotonin level, they are likely to be emotionally unstable. This explains why unhealthy ESI's can complain often, and be actually mistaken as LSE's.
One difference between EJ and IJ temperament :
- EJ is aggressive, and becomes passive under stress.
- IJ is passive, and becomes aggressive under stress.
Yeah, sensors specifically (probably introverted sensors the most).For some people, perhaps.20 years of growing up in the same place will do that too ya.
Quit acting like you're offended...you know as well as anyone that I'm just playing around. There's no need to get all defensive; I just noticed it and thought it was silly.
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