Discussion of Si PoLR in LIEs-ENTjs

[Eye of the Potato]

I have a friend who I believe is ENTj. She fits the profile perfectly except for where it says she doesn't give enough attention to her appearance.


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If your type is Logical-Intuitive Extratim - ENTj (The Pioneer):

Your strongest virtue is excellent enterprise where new business ventures and projects are involved. You have a very business-like mind and know well how to adapt any theory or idea for practical use. You do not have time for unimportant and trivial matters; instead you are always attracted to valuable and worthwhile aims and projects. You could be called a person of action as you do not let your plans and goals go unrealised. You quickly and easily take onboard new business proposals trying always to bring it to a satisfactory conclusion. You are an optimistic person and believe strongly in the success of every project you undertake. It is important for you to gain experience from many different fields of activity. Elements of risk do not discourage you that easily.

You can be tactless when talking about intimate subjects and insensitive to others feelings. Your humour often has double meaning. When you are in action you can be rude and show bad manners. You like excessive attention. Organising everyday matters can cause you considerable difficulty. You often have no time for rest. Although you always try to maintain a healthy style of life, you don't take as much care of yourself as you should. You often do not show enough attention to your appearance and ignore advice on this subject. You are not so sure about your aesthetic understanding either.





She pays very close attention to her appearance, always has her nails done perfectly, obsesses about her hair and takes pride in her ability to co-ordinate her clothes.

She has worked in various management roles and this type of work suits her very well. She is quite organised in running her house. She is not the best at considering other peoples feelings although she can be blind to this aspect of herself at times.


I sat next to her in school and she was often 2 steps ahead of our teachers, especially in maths class, often correcting the teachers mistakes.

I see her as an extrovert, she never had a problem speaking in front of a group of people, in fact she was quite notorious around school for having a big mouth. The teachers secretly admired her for being cheeky.

I showed her the documentary "The Zeitgeist Movie" and she was able to put holes in their arguments immediately. She can be very matter of fact. I see this as very ENTj.

We can talk for hours on any given subject, we can go quite deep with things, so I don't really see her as a sensor. She can also be very funny and her wit often has double meanings.

I'm wondering if I may have typed her wrong, but I can't see her fitting any other type.

I'd appreciate your help here, this is puzzling me. I feel like I'm missing something.

[mfckr]

I have a friend who I believe is ENTj. She fits the profile perfectly except for where it says she doesn't give enough attention to her appearance.

shrug, what can I say, except that most of the PoLR descriptions are stupid and terribly off. I've yet to encounter a single ENXj who looked like an unkempt slob.

I don't obsess over my appearance, but I do pay attention to it, since I recognize its importance in life. People judge a lot by it.

I tend to dislike the way people dress.

I showed her the documentary "The Zeitgeist Movie" and she was able to put holes in their arguments immediately. She can be very matter of fact. I see this as very ENTj.

[jughead]

How do they dress Ashton? Do they seem overly done, overly sensual or something? Whats the vibe?

[mfckr]

How do they dress Ashton? Do they seem overly done, overly sensual or something? Whats the vibe?

Overly done, usually. Caking themselves in too much makeup and heavy perfumes that make you fucking gag, etc. I'm thinking mostly ESEs here.

Generally, I think -val aesthetics are directed more towards personal comfort (how will this feel for me) while -val aesthetics are directed more towards impact (what sort of impression will this make).

[NewBorn STAR]

The ability to be a fat pig loving the smell of theyr own shit

[DirectorAbbie]

I tend to dislike the way people dress.

Yeah? Well, I dislike the way you Si-PoLRs eat. You don't see tastes, textures, and smells. You see a lump of vitamins, minerals, and calories. Then you eat the tofu!

[mfckr]

I tend to dislike the way people dress.

Yeah? Well, I dislike the way you Si-PoLRs eat. You don't see tastes, textures, and smells. You see a lump of vitamins, minerals, and calories. Then you eat the tofu!

I dunno anyone who eats tofu. Sounds disgusting and horribly artificial. Plus I'd be paranoid about the phytoestrogens in it.

I mostly just eat meat, raw fruits and vegetables. I don't like a lot of preparation or processing done to my food.

The ability to be a fat pig loving the smell of theyr own shit

Best description of ever.

[Ave]

I tend to dislike the way people dress.

Yeah? Well, I dislike the way you Si-PoLRs eat. You don't see tastes, textures, and smells. You see a lump of vitamins, minerals, and calories. Then you eat the tofu!

I think thats aiming a bit high for polr; I just see what food looks like, then what it tastes like. That is all.

[woofwoofl]

Yeah? Well, I dislike the way you Si-PoLRs eat. You don't see tastes, textures, and smells. You see a lump of vitamins, minerals, and calories. Then you eat the tofu!

Yep, pretty much (sounds more Gamma than Beta to me too)

I cooked a perfectly healthy batch of cookies for a Fe-SEI and she kept going on about how it "wasn't a cookie" and called them sponges. I'm not gonna drown the things in sugar, and the black bean puree I used in there had loads of protein in it, the Te-LIE I know knows what's up

Flavors, smells, etc., all of those are auxiliary concerns for me; food fuels me on first and foremost, and if making something taste good is a way to effectively get people to eat better, then I'll try to pay attention to it; if I'm just cooking for me, then I'm fine with eating raw oats... sometimes, I'll pound an inch-high mountain of cayenne pepper on my food to get me going if I'm running low on mojo, this really fires up the mornings...

Clothes too; I make sure I have a sense of presence, and I make sure my clothes are sturdy and functional for what I need them to be. These pants have done me incredibly well as far as durability is concerned; if I go flying off my bike, my pants should be fine and I won't have to buy new pants...

I'm still blown away that an EII thought that a fuzzy sweater was something I'd ever want to wear

The ability to be a fat pig loving the smell of theyr own shit

the " = moobs" line of thinking lives!

I would be furious if I got fat; it almost happened, and I've got ab workouts to do now so I can win the war... may my six-pack never expand into a keg...

[moredhel]

I'm still blown away that an EII thought that a fuzzy sweater was something I'd ever want to wear

Lol I love it when stereotypes exist for a reason.

[Beautiful sky]

Yep, pretty much (sounds more Gamma than Beta to me too)

I cooked a perfectly healthy batch of cookies for a Fe-SEI and she kept going on about how it "wasn't a cookie" and called them sponges. I'm not gonna drown the things in sugar, and the black bean puree I used in there had loads of protein in it, the Te-LIE I know knows what's up

Flavors, smells, etc., all of those are auxiliary concerns for me; food fuels me on first and foremost, and if making something taste good is a way to effectively get people to eat better, then I'll try to pay attention to it; if I'm just cooking for me, then I'm fine with eating raw oats... sometimes, I'll pound an inch-high mountain of cayenne pepper on my food to get me going if I'm running low on mojo, this really fires up the mornings...

Clothes too; I make sure I have a sense of presence, and I make sure my clothes are sturdy and functional for what I need them to be. These pants have done me incredibly well as far as durability is concerned; if I go flying off my bike, my pants should be fine and I won't have to buy new pants...

I'm still blown away that an EII thought that a fuzzy sweater was something I'd ever want to wear



the " = moobs" line of thinking lives!

I would be furious if I got fat; it almost happened, and I've got ab workouts to do now so I can win the war... may my six-pack never expand into a keg...

Ashten used to tell wolf Si things I don’t remember the details of but regarding Si

[Eye of the Potato]

I have a friend who I believe is ENTj. She fits the profile perfectly except for where it says she doesn't give enough attention to her appearance.

shrug, what can I say, except that most of the PoLR descriptions are stupid and terribly off. I've yet to encounter a single ENXj who looked like an unkempt slob.

I don't obsess over my appearance, but I do pay attention to it, since I recognize its importance in life. People judge a lot by it.

I tend to dislike the way people dress.

I showed her the documentary "The Zeitgeist Movie" and she was able to put holes in their arguments immediately. She can be very matter of fact. I see this as very ENTj.

Thanks. That was helpful. So what does it mean to be Si deficient then?

[mfckr]

So what does it mean to be Si deficient then?

It has something to do with not enjoying music like this: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...432#post781432

No, really. -valuers live in a demented alternate universe of aesthetics where stuff like that is actually enjoyable and 'relaxation' is considered a desirable luxury.

[moredhel]

Good advise never trust somebodies description of their own PoLR function. They'll just tell you how little they need it and how useless it is

You can be tactless when talking about intimate subjects and insensitive to others feelings. Your humour often has double meaning. When you are in action you can be rude and show bad manners. You like excessive attention. Organising everyday matters can cause you considerable difficulty. You often have no time for rest. Although you always try to maintain a healthy style of life, you don't take as much care of yourself as you should.

^ That's the worst of what it means to be Si polr though there may be better descriptions out there, the appearance stuff is all relative plus there are magazines, shop assistants and friends for all that it's not like everybody is out designing their outfits from scratch.
Also Si and Se will approach their appearance in different ways and for different reasons, Si doesn't have a monopoly on consumerism and looking good .

[mfckr]

Good advise never trust somebodies description of their own PoLR function. They'll just tell you how little they need it and how useless it is

Relative to type though, PoLR is useless. For me, will never have any real relevance to my life—and that's okay. Just like I'd never expect to have any relevance for you. People get along fine in life capitalizing on their strengths (IMO PoLRs are more about differences of perspective, not inherent weaknesses per se—though they can become such depending on the context of quadras/types present…).

You can be tactless when talking about intimate subjects and insensitive to others feelings. Your humour often has double meaning. When you are in action you can be rude and show bad manners. You like excessive attention. Organising everyday matters can cause you considerable difficulty. You often have no time for rest. Although you always try to maintain a healthy style of life, you don't take as much care of yourself as you should.

Lol, that's not bad actually. Except I'd tend to disagree on having much bearing on pursuit of health (or at least, having very different ideas on what 'health' constitutes)—only because I see way too many morbidly unhealthy types who prefer to eat, drink, and smoke themselves into oblivion for sake of sensory comfort, even when they know it's self-destructive.

the appearance stuff is all relative plus there are magazines, shop assistants and friends for all that it's not like everybody is out designing their outfits from scratch.

Yep.

Also Si and Se will approach their appearance in different ways and for different reasons, Si doesn't have a monopoly on consumerism and looking good .

[Reuben]

To an Si-valuer, comfort, relaxation, and pleasurable sensations are an ends in itself. To a non-Si-Valuer, those things are a means to an end. It helps to maintain your body and health to achieve greater results. While Si-types may comfortably indulge in it, Ni-types tend to see it as over-indulgence, just like how Si-types will see daydreaming and imagination as over-indulgence instead of a place of comfort.

ENTj's will try to use Si when necessary to maintain their image/health but they will feel very uncomfortable when it becomes the focus of attention, or the predominant activity. This is much like how I feel when everyone in the group is just out there to do crazy stuff, make lots of noise, and mess around in a loud and highly charged manner. I don't mind it, sometimes I do, but I am not inclined to contribute. Fe-Polr here. I develop my Fe enough to use it when necessary though, but I always don't know how it's being received, although I intuitively feel that I tend to make more mistakes than ethical types.

[Exodus]

There's not much to go on but I might consider SLE as well. Even female LIEs usually aren't fastidious about their appearance.