OH GAWD TI POLR ALERTOriginally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
OH GAWD TI POLR ALERT
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
I'm just making observations and restating what you said. You yourself said you find me and a bunch of other IEEs highly annoying. I really can't fathom what can possibly be annoying about us--I enjoy discussing things and reading what other IEEs on this forum have to say. I also simply can't understand what is it that bothers you so much about me.
I see you as hurtful, insulting, and full of unwarranted animosity which was brought on by your stated annoyance of whatever it is I did to annoy you (which is still unclear to me). I never saw you as annoying, in fact I didn't even notice you before you started being mean to me. You were, so to speak, uninteresting to me.
So what I did in the post you quoted was simply restate each others' expressed sentiments towards each other. Ti has no role here.
btw thanks for a demonstration of an additional facet of extinguishment. well done.
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yes, your faulty logical conclusions have no role here.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is
If you're saying my conclusions were faulty, you have to substantiate that and reconcile their "faultiness" with how our obvious extinguishment relation is manifesting. BTW, my conclusions based on our interaction here are not too far off of the descriptions commonly given for extinguishment relationships. OOPS!I guess that's YOUR
failure.
Are we going to keep going in circles here? or are you going to admit that this is an extinguishment relationship manifesting itself in real time in this thread? What's the point of arguing and making stabs at each others' character? It's socionics at work.
ooo, this discussion is starting to feel VERRRRY similar to interactions I've experienced with a very NOTABLE new 16types member.
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You really are a fucking idiotIf you're saying my conclusions were faulty, you have to substantiate that and reconcile their "faultiness" with how our obvious extinguishment relation is manifesting. BTW, my conclusions based on our interaction here are not too far off of the descriptions commonly given for extinguishment relationships. OOPS!
Are we going to keep going in circles here? or are you going to admit that this is an extinguishment relationship manifesting itself in real time in this thread? What's the point of arguing and making stabs at each others' character? It's socionics at work.
ooo, this discussion is starting to feel VERRRRY similar to interactions I've experienced with a very NOTABLE new 16types member.
You would actually base your idea of this relation on an internet exchange. You do this, and wonder why I treat you like I do.
I might have given you too much credit.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is
Nevertheless, our internet exchange manifested just as socionics predicts!! Isn't it GREAT????
Maritsa vibes, anyone?
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I agree with this.dont fucking preach at me with your fi bullshit
you think you trying to conform me to your standards is appreciating our differences?
the real problem here isn't that I don't understand you, its that I do, and what I see is infuriating.
Yeah I basically just ignore that manipulative Fi crap they try to pull. It always seems to disguise itself as good intentioned / altruistic / higher moral authority. But all you have to do is examine the circumstances surrounding the ENFp at the time, and you will notice it's a manipulative tactic and nothing more. (the ENFp I know has conned an old woman out of over 25,000 dollars using this sort of emotional manipulation).
And let's not forget when the ENFp goes on a self empowered moral tirade, despite blatant contradictions in what they're saying (and pointing these contradictions out is useless, you'll get nowhere.)
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WHEN I GET DRUNK AND PARTICULARLY BOORISH AND TALK LOUDLY AND START THINKING THAT I'M THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED TOAST, THIS IS WHEN THE IEI'S COME, THEY SEE ME AND I SEE THEM AND I GET ARROGANT AND DEMANDING AND THEY COME CLOSER, BRING ME CHEESE, FETCH ME CAKE, I DEMAND MORE WINE, BRING ME BEER, WHY ARE THERE ONLY TWO OF YOU, I NEED AT LEAST THREE WENCHES, BRING ME MORE WENCHES. THEY ARE INTERESITNG THINGS, LIKE PUPPIES*. BUT THEN SOMETHING WILL ARISE, perhaps a question of morality, maybe they become frustarted because I don't know what I want and can't make any kind of decision, I think why aren't they helping me relax, why are they being so transparantly emotive, I see what you're doing you know and it's cheap and it's easy and I'm not impressed.
From my experience, the temperement match is good, superficially interesting and possibly fun, potential for closeness depending on the individuals, but this will always frustrating and extinguishing.
possibly.
*self obsessed self righteous emotive-puppies
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Yes. And it didn't last. We are so called friends now but Im not even interested in more interactions with her.
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You know, I've never actually experienced social competition with IEIs. Maybe we just don't spend enough time together. I have more trouble one-on-one. We both end up looking for Se and Si. Work relationships I've found especially difficult because they want me to show more initiative, and I feel like that would be imposing on them, so it's hard to find the right boundary of responsibilities. We're both too flexible. I've noticed that when we try to hand off technical projects, we don't give each other the information we're really looking for either. We're adrift in a sea of generalities.
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There are a lot of supid Fi types in my family and when they're trying to get me to do something (favor, service), I ask them why. The result is usually hilarious, and when I point out their problematic logic they repeat themselves and don't answer my questions.
However, I'm begining to think that's just characteristic of stupid people (the stupid repetition of what they said in the first place when you point out logical failure, not the Fi demands based on 'love' or 'family ties'). I've met some smart Ne/Fi types and I've had interesting conversations with them; they use their functions for less redundant or stressful reasons.
you may be right. this enfp is very stupid.
this.
i'd say the same about intp's. sort of like peaceful but boring coexistence. so you talk to them and very quickly you realize that you come at things from opposite directions. yet, typically, you reach the same very powerful conclusions. best for work. i would imagine quite a terrible relation for romantic.
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I've been in a romantic Extinguishment relationship with an IEI. You find yourself attracted to them immensely, and you get along really well in the early stages of the relationship, and it develops very quickly. You work really really well together and have a lot of fun when you're alone, but there's some strain when you're around other people. Extinguishers don't fight very often because things seems so magically perfect when they're alone together, so problems just get internalized. You come from different social groups, but you typically have very similar interests, so it seems compatible, but you'll probably both have problems with each others' friends. You understand each other very well, but then sometimes the other person seems to not have their priorities straight all the time, or does something completely mysterious that makes you wonder how well you really know them. It's an unstable and asymetrical relationship - one partner can end up caring vastly more for the other without either knowing the other doesn't feel the same. Partners create fantasies based on their knowledge that the other person is so much like themselves, and those fantasies are completely wrong because your differences seem so small but are actually incomprehensibly important. When expressing romantic feelings, something you say that you think is the most romantic thing you can think of will be taken without a second thought, but something you say offhand to them is the sweetest thing ever.
Sorry if this is rambling or repetitive.
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Keep it comin' guys this is great. . .very enlightening.
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what the hell did I ever do to you?? Why do you keep bullying me?
That's OK. More IEEs for us!
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If you want a good media example of an extinguishment relationship, watch 500 Days of Summer.
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what types are they do you think?
Yes, I've noticed it. I't really problematic to be with SEEs when there are others present.
I did it unintentionally :/.
It really sucks that they are Extinguishers when they can be so interesting.
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Romance with extinguishment
Is it possible for there to be a romance with an extinguishment relation? How would it happen, how long would it last?
Yes, it's definitely possible and probably not too unlikely since extinguishment partners usually have the same interests. As for how they develop, they'd develop like any other relationship with the beginning part of the relationship being awesome, then slowly becoming frustrating over time. Overall, it's not a terrible relationship and contraries could probably make it work if they both tried really hard at it. It would be a lot of work and frustration though.
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I'd like to give it a try... but Moredhel thinks I'm uglydo not.
Extinguishment can basically be thought of as "temperament duality". If you're fine having a fairly distant relationship, it's workable, even reassuring.
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Basically it's not a bad relationship if the feelings are there already, you'll get along really well and have a lot of the same interests, the biggest problems come from your interaction with other people.
You won't get along with all their favorite people and they won't get along with yours. Also the way each of you act around new people would likely be different to how you act around each other and can cause conflict.
I would say there are some problems to the your preferred way of approaching relationships being in conflict (victim-infantile or aggressor-caregiver).
Moredhel and I have an extinguish relationship.
We're science fiction / slasher films buddies... Actually shit, he's pretty much my best friend and we do a lot of things together. We go to dinner at least once a week, go to the movies, video arcades... share a lot of the same common intellectual interests?
We don't seem to take each other's creative function very seriously (just in our experience). I get frustrated when he tries to go all caregiver on me and do little things to make me comfortable... ie driving me home at ridiculous hours. He seems to shake his head when I become fairly assertive and kind of blanks me out lol.
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Okay, so Im infp and ive been best friends with 2 enfps ("contrary/extinguishment"). What's up with that? I will admit that when other people are around I can get a little annoyed by both their antics but when it's just us two, everything's great for the most part..only thing is I think at times they might value me more than I value them or vice/versa. Anyone had similar experiences? am I just a weirdo cause i like my contraries?
Are you sure you have typed you and your friends correctly. Could it be mirror?
Socionics doesn't do a good job of predicting what relations will unfold between people, so take the inter-type relation descriptions with a grain of salt. But if you really want a socionics-based explanation it might be because IEEs have same cognitive style as SLEs, hologprahic, as do LIIs and ESIs.
Lol. Did you seriously just reject classical socionics for a theory that has little empirical validation? Even more Cog Style groups are the Supervisory Rings which are known for conflict.Socionics doesn't do a good job of predicting what relations will unfold between people, so take the inter-type relation descriptions with a grain of salt. But if you really want a socionics-based explanation it might be because IEEs have same cognitive style as SLEs, hologprahic, as do LIIs and ESIs.
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Why do you need to completely reject one theory to recognize another? And what do supervision rings have to do with extinguishment relations that sar is talking about?
Maybe she's rejecting classical socionics, but she's perfectly right. One of the main reason why contraries get along better than expected is connected to their complementary and coincident reinin dichotomies, especially negative/positive, democratic/aristocratic, static/dynamic, process/result. However, there is a general lack of chemistry and commonality in social associations.Lol. Did you seriously just reject classical socionics for a theory that has little empirical validation? Even more Cog Style groups are the Supervisory Rings which are known for conflict.
I must admit, though, that being "best friends" with your contrary is a relatively weird occurrence, especially if doubled. In that case, Nowisthetime has a point: they could be your mirrors, ENFj, whose rationality isn't necessarily clear-cut.
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There was an Fe-SEI who totally had a thing for me; seemed awesome and intriguing for both people when alone, but when there were loads of other people, no connection at all hardly because we headed for other people when talking and stuff...
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It's not necessarily that, as a general thing to do, but specifically because you rejected an integral part of Socionics - the Intertype Relations themselves, it's what Socionics is all about and what is generally taken for granted. And you say it's worthless as a theory. Yet you advocate looking into a sub-theory of Socionics that deals with a highly abstract subject and has not been widely verified by empirical studies.
The Holographic cog style includes a Supervisory Ring which the two types in question are in. You said " it might be because IEEs have same cognitive style as SLEs". If you applied that to Relationships of Supervision it wouldn't hold up, because it contradicts with the conflicting nature of that relation.And what do supervision rings have to do with extinguishment relations that sar is talking about?
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It's called clubs.
I tend to like ILE's.
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