What do you think of duality?
We're all going to have to attempt romance eventually, so knowing what you know now, how does duality affect your approach?
Do you "hold out" for your dual?
Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is?
Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it?
Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline?
I'd also like to know how much "faith" you have in duality. I say faith because the concept is somewhat counterintuitive. How can someone so different be just the right type? Do you really think your dual is the best possible type for you in your personal experience? An ESE might be great in my case, but maybe a little boring after a while. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Re: What do you think of duality?
Do you "hold out" for your dual?
no.
Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is?
no. haven't done that. Dunno any ISTp IRL
Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it?
Err, yes.
Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
? What do you mean by this question?
If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline?
LOL. No. Why decline?? It's always nice to know people regardless of type.
I'd also like to know how much "faith" you have in duality. I say faith because the concept is somewhat counterintuitive. How can someone so different be just the right type? Do you really think your dual is the best possible type for you in your personal experience? An ESE might be great in my case, but maybe a little boring after a while. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
I can imagine. And I think ISTps would be just right. Do I have to go into details? O. I don't think being with an ISTp would bored me. That's just what I think. :oops:
Ok, for example, me being with any ENFp. I guess we could have lots of fun, but it'll be pretty stressful for one of us, because one person has to play the role of the dual. And I doubt it'll be as effective. So, I can imagine 2 silly, hyperactive, absent-minded people, living their lives, which COULD get pretty messy. :lol:
Re: What do you think of duality?
Do you "hold out" for your dual?
Not on purpose, but it may affect my choices in the future.
Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is?
If that were the only reason - never.
Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it?
These days, it's impossible for me not to recognize whether someone I might be interested in is my dual or not.
Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
Not sure what you mean. Do I try on purpose to behave like someone's dual? It's more like I try not to behave like someone's conflictor.
If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline?
I'm never asked out, so it's a meaningless question.
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I'd also like to know how much "faith" you have in duality. I say faith because the concept is somewhat counterintuitive. How can someone so different be just the right type?
If you think that, you haven't understood how Socionics works, sorry. It has nothing to do with "faith" at all. If you understand (and accept) Socionics, you also understand duality -- otherwise, you don't.
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Do you really think your dual is the best possible type for you in your personal experience?
Most definitely, but of course external circumstances and other factors always play a role.
Re: What do you think of duality?
[quote="ataronchronon"]We're all going to have to attempt romance eventually, so knowing what you know now, how does duality affect your approach?
Do you "hold out" for your dual?
Yes, as a general rule for relations which are like to be long term.
Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is?
Far too general a statement to elicit a proper response .. generally no
Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it?
These days a pesons type is one of the first things i seek to establish early.
Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
Rarely ... its hard work but occassionally worth a try, much easier to complement their hidden agenda.
If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline?
Never on that basis alone
Duals are great but lots of other things will impact on the potential of a relationship .. esp factors like age, relative attractiveness etc. For duals to get full value a lot of other "more conventional" things will have to be right in addition. Also over reliance on your dual (or blind faith) can turn bad, each individual has to maintain a sense of self / distance otherwise things get lopsided.
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We're all going to have to attempt romance eventually, so knowing what you know now, how does duality affect your approach?
Do you "hold out" for your dual?
No.
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Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is?
I would end a rotten relationship for another person, yes, but type is never taken into consideration. I am not attracted to extraverts, anyway.
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Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it?
Of course.
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Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
I don't know what this means.
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If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline?
Obviously not, although I have declined proposals of very extraverted girls.
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Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
I think you mean: do you set up duals? I personally have done a small amount of nudging, but that's all.
Re: What do you think of duality?
Do you "hold out" for your dual?
No.
Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is?
Definitely not.
Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it?
Yeah
Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
:?
If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline?
I would accept the invitation even if my conflictor asked me out.
I'd also like to know how much "faith" you have in duality. I say faith because the concept is somewhat counterintuitive. How can someone so different be just the right type? Do you really think your dual is the best possible type for you in your personal experience?
I don't really know 'cos I have never shown any interest in the LSEs I have known IRL. The ones I'm usually interested in are EXTps Ti subtype.
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We're all going to have to attempt romance eventually, so knowing what you know now, how does duality affect your approach? YES FOR SURE
Do you "hold out" for your dual? YES SOMETIMES
Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is? YES FOR SURE
Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it? NOPE I CAN'T STOP TYPING PEOPLE
Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others? YES BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND OR EVEN TRY...
If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline? NOPE I WANNA HAVE FUN
I'd also like to know how much "faith" you have in duality. I say faith because the concept is somewhat counterintuitive. How can someone so different be just the right type? Do you really think your dual is the best possible type for you in your personal experience? An ESE might be great in my case, but maybe a little boring after a while. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. MUCH FAITH BECAUSE I'VE EXPERIENCED IT ALREADY, AND THEY WERE THE LEAST BORING.
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We're all going to have to attempt romance eventually, so knowing what you know now, how does duality affect your approach?
It doesn't. Given my poor track record in this regard, it's taken me several weeks to decide that I DO have a chance with an ESFp I'm currently interested in. Despite knowing full well how duality is, both in theory and in practice (my best friend is an ESFp also), knowing this didn't tip the balance either way.
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Do you "hold out" for your dual?
nay. I've been attracted to people of several types before now - my ex was INFj and I've been attracted to (although never actually got with) an INFp and some ENFps also.
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Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is?
Not based on that factor alone. I figure at the end of the day, if I was going to leave a current relationship for a new one, it would be because the current relationship wasn't working anyway, by which point I would have left based on that reason alone. Of course, I say this but whether or not I'd actually follow through with that...
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Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it?
I like trying to figure out people's types, but I don't use it as a basis for attraction.
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Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
Nope. Even if I knew how, it would take too much energy to keep it up. Honesty is the easiest way IMFUO.
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If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline?
Hell no. Well, depends on who it was actually. But type doesn't come into my criteria for going out with someone.
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I'd also like to know how much "faith" you have in duality. I say faith because the concept is somewhat counterintuitive. How can someone so different be just the right type? Do you really think your dual is the best possible type for you in your personal experience? An ESE might be great in my case, but maybe a little boring after a while. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Like Rick said earlier, duals are, from a functional point of view, on the same wavelength. I personally think of it this way - you have complementary opposites (duals) and conflicting opposites (conflictors, funnily enough :P). Imagine pieces of a jigsaw puzzle - the ones that fit together do so because they are opposites...in a way. One piece will have a protruding bit, the other piece will have a slot. In a way, this is how duals work - they each give what the other needs, and likewise take what the other gives. I hope that makes sense, it's much easier for me to visualise these things than it is to explain them.
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We're all going to have to attempt romance eventually, so knowing what you know now, how does duality affect your approach? YES FOR SURE
Do you "hold out" for your dual? YES SOMETIMES
Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is? YES FOR SURE
Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it? NOPE I CAN'T STOP TYPING PEOPLE
Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others? YES BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND OR EVEN TRY...
If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline? NOPE I WANNA HAVE FUN
I'd also like to know how much "faith" you have in duality. I say faith because the concept is somewhat counterintuitive. How can someone so different be just the right type? Do you really think your dual is the best possible type for you in your personal experience? An ESE might be great in my case, but maybe a little boring after a while. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. MUCH FAITH BECAUSE I'VE EXPERIENCED IT ALREADY, AND THEY WERE THE LEAST BORING.
looking at your website,
and this post,
it raises questions about the thoroughness of your understanding.
Re: What do you think of duality?
Do you "hold out" for your dual?
I don't know. I am uncertain of how compatible I am with other types, but socionics helps narrow down a lot of things. The overall quality and character of an individual is more important than a type, but I do not think I would be able to be with an immaculate ESTp or ESFp, just because we don't function the same way. ESEs seem nice, but I do not know what more to say
Would you dump someone who isn't your dual for someone who is?
Complicated. Situational.
Do you try not to think about who is and who isn't your dual and just go for it?
I assess raw socionics compatibility as well as other non-socionics attributes, like awareness, maturity, physical health, and so on.
Do you try to affect the dual seeking of others?
I can tell how someone wants me to act based on their leading function and the reciprocal dual seeking function. Dependent on what I think is important, I act, generally to facilitate the best use of whatever situation is present. Like Expat said, sometimes the only thing I can do is try to not act like their conflictor.
If someone who wasn't your dual asked you out, would you decline?
I also have never been asked out, though I was sort of invited a few times. Both people were not my type of girl in general. Two specific situations were an ISTj and an ESFp, so neither of those are secularly appealing relatinoships to me anyways.
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I'd also like to know how much "faith" you have in duality. I say faith because the concept is somewhat counterintuitive. How can someone so different be just the right type?
"If you think that, you haven't understood how Socionics works, sorry." - I agree with Expat
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Do you really think your dual is the best possible type for you in your personal experience?
I am unsure. If we are going to look at raw type analysis, yes. "On paper", yes, they make the most sense, and in a general sort of experience, I can see how they would be the best match for an LII. I have warped my type and pushed things so much, however, so in terms of the real world, I do not know if it would be best. It will be completely dependent on what I think is most important for me to do.
If I were going to just settle down and "raise a family" and "have kids" -- the typical course of life - then I would lean towards ESFj. INFjs, ENFjs, and maybe even a very rational ISFp, or an ISFj that would appreciate my choices & I could deal with her, may be possible.
Bottom line is, socionics type alone is not my deciding factor in relationship. Through understanding socionics, it is easy to come to understand what people need and what they want to give you in return for it. If I find someone who has great "intangibles", and the situation is right, then I may look into it. However, a major part of that analysis is, knowing socionics -- and knowing what a person is looking for from their dual -- does the relationship seem like each person is mature enough to deal with the inevitable build of psychological stress? Are they a kind of person who will value the relationship and work towards the relationship despite such things? Do they have the potential to learn and grow? How much does she value the same thing I value? How much do we think in ways that are easily interchangable? Is she hot?
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Originally Posted by UDP III
looking at your website,
and this post,
it raises questions about the thoroughness of your understanding.
i understand it quite well, my experience is even bigger,
but i'm just one hell of a lazy guy when it comes to making websites. :)