Quadras, Types and Winning/Competitiveness
Which Quadras and types are most/least into winning and competitiveness.
I tend to think a lot in terms of winning/losing. In almost every situation I think about the happenings around me in those terms. Did I win? Did I lose? Who won? Who lost? Who has the capability to win? Who doesn't?
Even though I can lose for social reasons occasionally (in order to make someone happy) and sometimes I just don't have enough energy or courage to compete in some matters still winning/losing/competing is part of my every day vocabulary and I enjoy doing many things because of winning. It is a strong motivator. Also I hate to lose especially if I feel like I had a chance but I just didn't do enough.
Then again I don't believe in "winning no matter what the cost" kind of thing. Winning and competition should be a creating and positive force not destructive. The benefits should generally outweight the costs. Then I can feel sympathy for those who lost in many cases if they are not the kind of people who can or should take a loss.
I was wondering how much this kind of thing is type and Quadra related and how much personal or something else?
There has been some discussion about this already but how do you see it?
And what other ways there are to motivate yourself? "For fun" has been suggested but what else?
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I tend to think a lot in terms of winning/losing. In almost every situation I think about the happenings around me in those terms. Did I win? Did I lose? Who won? Who lost? Who has the capability to win? Who doesn't?
It depends on the situation.
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Even though I can lose for social reasons occasionally (in order to make someone happy)
I almost never do that. If I decide to play, I play to win (or not to lose).
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and sometimes I just don't have enough energy or courage to compete in some matters still winning/losing/competing is part of my every day vocabulary and I enjoy doing many things because of winning. It is a strong motivator. Also I hate to lose especially if I feel like I had a chance but I just didn't do enough.
We are probably rather similar here. But I don't know if I walk around thinking about winning/losing/competing all the time. On the other hand, I compete quite a lot. I play strategic games.
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Then again I don't believe in "winning no matter what the cost" kind of thing. Winning and competition should be a creating and positive force not destructive. The benefits should generally outweight the costs.
I agree.
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Then I can feel sympathy for those who lost in many cases if they are not the kind of people who can or should take a loss.
But I don't know about that. Losses are part of the game. If you can't stand a loss, you should not compete.
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I was wondering how much this kind of thing is type and Quadra related and how much personal or something else?
I don't know if Expat was serious or not when he seemed to suggest that being competitive could indicate Beta. The fact is that ENTjs are one of the most competitie of types. And their playing style is usually very aggressive (maybe because they are Enneagram 8s). INTps like games of all sorts, and they are also competitive, though their playing style is somewhat different from the ENTjs.
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And what other ways there are to motivate yourself? "For fun" has been suggested but what else?
Motivate yourself in what situation? To play for fun, without trying to win is totally alien for me. If the purpose of the activity is to win, then you should try to win. But of course you can do other things for fun than competing.
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I tend to think a lot in terms of winning/losing. In almost every situation I think about the happenings around me in those terms. Did I win? Did I lose? Who won? Who lost? Who has the capability to win? Who doesn't?
It depends on the situation.
Ok. Hmm...how should I explain it...in situations where the option of winning and losing exists and makes sense, heh.
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Even though I can lose for social reasons occasionally (in order to make someone happy)
I almost never do that. If I decide to play, I play to win (or not to lose).
Heh. I'm not sure if I do this for others than some ESTps. They so hate to lose that sometimes I let them win without them knowing it. Then again I have lost some gaming companions because I go too far sometimes. I once had the need to drop everyone out of high score list in one game which made my brother in law compare me to ****** because I wanted to have it all. Lol. I just wanted to see if I can do that. I didn't know he took it so seriously. Also I have been claimed to be too competitive in some other occasions like in card games where others just want to enjoy the "atmosphere" but I play for win. But yes, I can lose for social reasons to people I really like if I see that it makes them happy and increases the bond between us. Not in situations involving money or in something "serious" though. Not in something which matters to me psychologically. I think I have developed this "softer side of me" only in recent years. I didn't have it when I was younger. Nowadays I get weird satisfaction for sometimes being a softie and sort of submitting to those I like. ESTps seem to be one type that make me want to please them. I have a feeling that ENFj might be too but to a lesser extent.
Perhaps your stance is somewhat more extreme than mine here. I'm a bit of a softie in the end :)
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I play strategic games.
Me too. Although I don't like super complicated games which some people seem to like. Perhaps I need some kind of balance between strategy and tactics. Short term and long term. I do enjoy tactical battles a lot and too detailed strategic games can bore me. You might be a bit different from me here. Have you ever enjoyed action games like Quake or other first person shooters? I also used to enjoy those. So I'm not all about competing only in strategy. Action, tactics, strategy. All goes for me in right amounts.
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Then I can feel sympathy for those who lost in many cases if they are not the kind of people who can or should take a loss.
But I don't know about that. Losses are part of the game. If you can't stand a loss, you should not compete.
I'm referring more to those who didn't wish to play/compete but were forced to by circumstances and then lost. Or some other special circumstances which make the game unfair or not fun. It makes me feel bad for them. Personally I wouldn't enjoy much beating someone who doesn't want to compete or who is just somehow too fragile to lose and doesn't understand it. But I do generally dislike people who step into the ring/game and if they lose cant accept it and let the winner enjoy but try to spoil the victory by whining or explaining or something.
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And what other ways there are to motivate yourself? "For fun" has been suggested but what else?
Motivate yourself in what situation? To play for fun, without trying to win is totally alien for me. If the purpose of the activity is to win, then you should try to win. But of course you can do other things for fun than competing.
This was related to general lack of fun in life which can be compensated by competing and winning in different things. Then the "fun" comes from the compettion and winning. FDG suggested that why not doing something JUST for fun and not competing or trying to win. I can't say that such thing is totally alien to me but I do like to try to win. The trying itself is motivating. It enables you to push yourself to new limits. It is way easier to find motivation in a competitive setting. I can be a bit of a slacker in a setting which is too peaceful and "fun" and such. I need the competition to be effective. I need to find the "internal fighter in me" or I start to slack. I need someone to challenge me and push me so I can find the energy to resist and try to win them.
There was one other thing...what was it...I can't recall. Lol.
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I play strategic games.
Me too. Although I don't like super complicated games which some people seem to like. Perhaps I need some kind of balance between strategy and tactics. Short term and long term. I do enjoy tactical battles a lot and too detailed strategic games can bore me. You might be a bit different from me here. Have you ever enjoyed action games like Quake or other first person shooters? I also used to enjoy those. So I'm not all about competing only in strategy. Action, tactics, strategy. All goes for me in right amounts.
Every time people talk about strategic games they think of games that I don't play. Maybe I don't know what it is called in English -- "strategy games" maybe? Anyway, I prefer to play classical board games where strategy and knowledge is important for success. I have played chess for many, many years (in fact this very weekend we are playing the last three rounds in the Swedish regional series for club teams, and my hypothesis the last 3-4 years has been that the main reason why we haven't yet won it in despite having had one of the best teams according to ratings is that we lack a "team spirit". :) We've still got a chance (as usual) to win it though -- two rounds to go ...), I have played some bridge during the years, I play poker, and I like othello (reversi).
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Personally I wouldn't enjoy much beating someone who doesn't want to compete or who is just somehow too fragile to lose and doesn't understand it.
Neither do I. There is not point in trying to win if the other person(s) is not interested in competing.
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But I do generally dislike people who step into the ring/game and if they lose cant accept it and let the winner enjoy but try to spoil the victory by whining or explaining or something.
Yeah, but some people will continue to do that anyway. It is also, in a sense, a part of the game.
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The trying itself is motivating. It enables you to push yourself to new limits. It is way easier to find motivation in a competitive setting. I can be a bit of a slacker in a setting which is too peaceful and "fun" and such. I need the competition to be effective. I need to find the "internal fighter in me" or I start to slack. I need someone to challenge me and push me so I can find the energy to resist and try to win them.
I am also like that.