What different types really expect from others
What types really expect from others, that makes them really frustrated, and bitch and moan:
LII, LSI: "why aren't you more cheerful, helping make me laugh? Why are you so gloom?"
ILE, IEE: "why aren't you taking care of those practical, daily details for me?"
ESE, EIE: "why aren't you giving me a straight answer instead of all this useless information and bla-bla?"
SEI, SLI: "why aren't you making this more interesting and fun?"
SLE, SEE: "why aren't you warning me when I am about to make a mistake or go too far?"
IEI, ILI: "why aren't you protecting me?"
LIE, LSE: "why aren't you being straightforward as to how you feel about me?"
ESI, EII: "why aren't you telling me what I need to know so I can reach a conclusion?"
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Another side of the coin is that we can see what's more difficult for the types to do; what they feel least natural, what makes them feel as if they are failing.
ESE, EIE: It's difficult for them NOT to act in a way that will rise up the emotions of whom they are talking to.
SEI, SLI: It's difficult for them NOT to give advice or act in a way to take care of small daily details for you.
LII, LSI: It's difficult for them NOT to be straight-to-the-point saying "this is so" without elaborating further.
IEE, ILE: It's difficult for them NOT to try to find the interesting, fun, even bizarre aspect of something or a situation.
IEI, ILI: It's difficult for them NOT to give you warnings when you're about to go overboard in their view.
SLE, SEE: It's difficult for them NOT to act or speak in a way as to gain "space" for them and those they see as "under their wing".
ESI, EII: It's difficult for them NOT to be straightforward as to how they feel about you.
LIE, LSE: It's difficult for us NOT to tell you all the factual information we think you need (and it's difficult to give intentionally untruthful information, that is, to lie - LIEs and LSEs are the worst con men ever).
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Originally Posted by Expat
What types really expect from others, that makes them really frustrated, and bitch and moan:
LII, LSI: "why aren't you more cheerful, helping make me laugh? Why are you so gloom?"
I do do this...sad but true.
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When asked I am...
Neutral to this:
LII, LSI: "why aren't you more cheerful, helping make me laugh? Why are you so gloom?"
SEI, SLI: "why aren't you making this more interesting and fun?"
A little confused why someone would be asking me for this:
IEI, ILI: "why aren't you protecting me?"
LIE, LSE: "why aren't you being straightforward as to how you feel about me?"
Feel bad when I cannot provide this:
ILE, IEE: "why aren't you taking care of those practical, daily details for me?"
ESE, EIE: "why aren't you giving me a straight answer instead of all this useless information and bla-bla?"
Annoyed when asked for this:
ESI, EII: "why aren't you telling me what I need to know so I can reach a conclusion?"
SLE, SEE: "why aren't you warning me when I am about to make a mistake or go too far?"
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I like your descriptions. :D
The ones I can identify with:
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ESE, EIE: "why aren't you giving me a straight answer instead of all this useless information and bla-bla?"
ESI, EII: "why aren't you telling me what I need to know so I can reach a conclusion?"
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Originally Posted by Expat
ESI, EII: It's difficult for them NOT to be straightforward as to how they feel about you.
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The ones I can identify with:
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Originally Posted by Expat
ESE, EIE: "why aren't you giving me a straight answer instead of all this useless information and bla-bla?"
ESI, EII: "why aren't you telling me what I need to know so I can reach a conclusion?"
Uh, these two were supposed to be sort of mutually exclusive -- perhaps I phrased the first one badly.
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IEI, ILI: "why aren't you protecting me?"
:? From what? I don't think this is good, at least not for ILIs. How do you reason?
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Originally Posted by Expat
What types really expect from others, that makes them really frustrated, and bitch and moan:
LII, LSI: "why aren't you more cheerful, helping make me laugh? Why are you so gloom?"
Maybe not in those exact words, but pretty much. People I'm close to get so aggrivated when I ask "what's wrong?" all the time.
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LII, LSI: It's difficult for them NOT to be straight-to-the-point saying "this is so" without elaborating further.
this seems almost the antithesis of LIIs. LSIs it seems to fit better.
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LIE, LSE: "why aren't you being straightforward as to how you feel about me?"
ESI, EII: "why aren't you telling me what I need to know so I can reach a conclusion?"
I identify with both of these.
me too. I identify more with the EII one though.
EDIT: Oops I thought it was the LII one. I agree with the LIE one too, but I meant to say that I agree more with the EII one more than the LII one, even after the revision. I think it still needs to be reworded.
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LII, LSI: It's difficult for them NOT to be straight-to-the-point saying "this is so" without elaborating further.
this seems almost the antithesis of LIIs. LSIs it seems to fit better.
Agreed. INTjs (as well as ISTjs) give justification with ease, evidence (i.e. specific concrete examples) with difficulty.
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ESE, EIE: "why aren't you giving me a straight answer instead of all this useless information and bla-bla?"
This is what I usually end up asking in most situations involving shady people, so in most situations.
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LIE, LSE: "why aren't you being straightforward as to how you feel about me?"
This is also something that I relate to.
Also, what I expect from "people" like friends is somewhat different from what I expect from "people" as romantic partners.
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LII, LSI: It's difficult for them NOT to be straight-to-the-point saying "this is so" without elaborating further.
LSI's (unhealthy ones at least) love to argue and elaborate on what someone did wrong
LIIs may enjoy elaborating on their field of interest.
In a very general, public speaking, casual acquaintance conversation though, what you said is probably reasonable enough
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ESI, EII: "why aren't you telling me what I need to know so I can reach a conclusion?"
I just had a discussion with an EII: confirmed