Integral Types of Countries/Nations

"For example, most of Europe is made up of rational integral types (logic or ethics as the leading function), while most of Asia is irrational (intuition or sensing). Within European civilization, countries where protestantism dominates generally have logical integral types, while Catholic cultures are almost always ethical. Extraverted logic is the common language of all English-speaking countries, which currently dominate the spheres of science and technology. Russia, while belonging to greater European rational culture, has an irrational mentality that is reflected in its Asian leanings and its particular breed of creativity within the western world. The Asian religions of Hinduism and Buddhism, unfathomable to the Western mind, are dominant in India and China, where irrationality flourishes."

this seems totally accurate.

The UK is not really Si valuing, stereotypically that is. I'd say LIE is more fitting; they have rather conflicting values with France which explains a lot history wise I suppose...

Canada - Delta

Although, Canada's current prime minister/government is not Delta.

Japan = ESTj

I don´t know, my friend says UK is ESTj too.

Canada could be ESTj also, too orderly.

I know Enneagram types for countries, but not Socionics types.

you´re right Brilliand, USA = ENTj, France= ESFj, Russia= ESTp, Germany ISTj makes sense. Japan is said to be ESTj but I don´t think so.

but no way UK is also ENTj , Marie.

ENTj wants money, is a culture which values personal enterprise, success and money above all. I don´t see the UK like that at all.

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Originally Posted by polikujm

I hope current Greece isn't strongly :Ne: over other aspects. I really wanted to visit and not get annoyed by the people there, seems like such a nice place in its seasonal ripening.

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Mediterranean cultures will look more :Fe: than Anglo-Saxons, but I suppose you already know, given that you live in Cali. I don't think we (read: mediterranean cultures) are particularly more :Ne: , even though being clever is definitely prized over hard-work.

Anyway, hard for me to given an integral type for Italy. Averaging out all the regions, I'd guess ESFp could be a good approximation.

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Originally Posted by The Greeter

Canada - Delta

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Yah, it's kind of Ne/Si at least

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Originally Posted by Airborne

ENTj wants money, is a culture which values personal enterprise, success and money above all. I don´t see the UK like that at all.

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The country that tried to dominate the world, srsly? (England at least)

Stereotypes

USA Ne-ENTp
Russia Ti-ENTp
Canada Ne-INTj
Japan Te-ESTj
China Se-ISTj
Germany Ti-ISTj
Spain Se-ESFp
France Si-ESFj
England Te-INTp
Ireland Fe-ISFp
Belgium Si-ISFp
Holland Ni-ENTj
Italy Se-ESTp
Turkey Ti-ESTp
Australia Te-ISTp
Brazil Se-ESFp
Argentina Fi-ESFp
Finland Ti-ENTp
Sweden Fi-ISFj
Norway Si-ISTp
Denmark Te-ENTj

Confederate States of America Se-ISTj
Roman Empire Ti-ESTp
Spanish Empire Se-ESFp
USSR Se-ISTj
European Union Te-ENTj
FIFA
UEFA
NBA
MOTO GP
NHL
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Originally Posted by 1981slater

Stereotypes
Holland Ni-ENTj

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Rick called holland a delta country. Also dutch guy Consentingadult called holland delta.

In my opinion they are right.

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Originally Posted by Marie84

The UK is not really Si valuing, stereotypically that is. I'd say LIE is more fitting; they have rather conflicting values with France which explains a lot history wise I suppose...

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England has rivalry with France because of the Normans, historically speaking. Nothing to do with type.

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Originally Posted by Jarno

Rick called holland a delta country. Also dutch guy Consentingadult called holland delta.

In my opinion they are right.

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of course I am ;)

The Netherlands, with their calvinist approach to things, is delta indeed. More in particular, one could say SLI (as in 'going Dutch'), and this to some extent still applies to th rural parts of out country. Of course, in cities like Amsterdam, IEE attitudes rule. Gay marriage, Red Light District, Weed and hasish rich in THC at every street corner, we've got it all! And lets not forget the ridiculous number of bicycles (=Si). IEE women in Volendam costume are so sexy!

http://www.stzk.nl/stzk/images/Verhu...%20(Small).jpg

PS. Brabant, the region where Jarno is from (I myself am from Holland proper) is more alpha, I believe more SEI.

I really should be moving to Canada.

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Originally Posted by polikujm

I should add, from personal experience, I know of a lot of Alpha-oriented Mexicans. Seems like various manifestations of these quadra values are highly ingrained into their language and culture.

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Mexico is SEI, as I recall.

Belgium is also ISFp.

Europe on the whole is Delta. I agree that Netherlands is Delta, although probably extrovert > introvert on account of how we rely a lot on foreign relations for our success in the world. ENFp is a good bet for reasons also mentioned by CA.

I think Croatia might be ISFj. Also, bear in mind; Tuđman (the father of Croatia) ISFj-Se, Sanader (ex-prime-minister) ENTj-Te, Kosor (new prime-minister) ISFj-Se. The new president, Josipović is INTx to the max. Ex-president Mesić was some kind of an extraverted sensor.

EDIT 10/25/2010: Mesić is probably an ESFp. Could buy ESTj-Te for Sanader.

Are we talking about what people in the country value, how they actually act, or what? I mean while Rick may call English-Canada overwhelmingly Te, the nationalist sentiments promoted here have never been on anything industrious. If history shows anything, Canada has consistently failed in matters of practicality, manufacturing and industry. Canadian economic historians are constantly examining this fact and wondering what the fuck happened considering our neighbours to the south were ultimately much more successful.

I would say that if you look at Canadian nationalism and what we've generally accomplished, this is more of an Si country than a Te country. You might be able to call us ESTj, but I don't think that would really be true. Canada promotes itself as (and Canadian identity is centered around) the ideas of being welcoming, peaceable, generous, equal, fair etc. Whether there's a rhetoric-reality gap there, I can't argue with certainty. But if you look at what Canadians seem to put value behind, I would say those qualities I mentioned are the most frequent priorities. I think most Canadians would publicly sacrifice industry and practicality for the above values.

EDIT: Also, this country was brought together by a man with a Champagne Train. Sir John A (that drunken eloquent bastard) made Confederation happen by bribing his way with champagne parties. What a badass :)

Sweden: LII
Canada: EII
USA: LIE
Turkey: SLE (best example of an SLE country)
Russia: IEI
Arab States: EIE
Italy: SEE
Japan: LSE (modern Japan)
China: LSI ?

IMO

Actually, you may be right. EII could be a really good call for Canada.

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Originally Posted by Vero

Actually, you may be right. EII could be a really good call for Canada.

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I think it explains our warm, mutually beneficial relationship with the LIE USA, that's nonetheless worsened by a striking contrast in values.

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Italy: SEE

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Good job.

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Originally Posted by Airborne

ENTj wants money, is a culture which values personal enterprise, success and money above all. I don´t see the UK like that at all.

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Visit London.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwi...Commerce_Index
Financial centre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by jxrtes

Russia: IEI

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I remember from the german meetup that there was some consensus that russia is ILI.

We're look-alikes with Sweden. Both countries are known for trying to create a sound ecology, guaranteeing the rights of ordinary citizens, social security, and a host of other judicious values. But Canada is obviously more conservative.

Sweden is more logical and has had waaay more success in establishing a physical infrastructure that can ensure those things, whereas Canada is mostly known for its humanitarian record and ethical innovations -- like proposing UN peacekeeping forces (see: Suez Crisis).

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Originally Posted by Jarno

I remember from the german meetup that there was some consensus that russia is ILI.

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No way. The Russian people are just too passionate.

The image I have Russians is that of loud, vodka drinking bums that sing songs and curse at eachother in a sort of half-amicable way. Se valuing, irrational and probably Fe valuing too.

On further consideration, Sweden might be a highly dualized IEE or EII.

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Originally Posted by somavision

Visit London.

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I may be wrong, but the London area seems quite unlike the rest of the country in terms of the prevalent nature of the residents. Some kind of N enrichment, perhaps.

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Originally Posted by The Greeter

Canada - Delta

Although, Canada's current prime minister/government is not Delta.

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I agree with Rick's assessment that he's LxE.

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Turkey: SLE (best example of an SLE country)

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+1. Also, because of the same reason, many Turkish women are IEI, who are probably the most beautiful IEI women in the world.

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I agree with Rick's assessment that he's LxE.

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For Harper I am inclined to say he is more Gamma than Delta, so I am not opposed to LIE.

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I may be wrong, but the London area seems quite unlike the rest of the country in terms of the prevalent nature of the residents. Some kind of N enrichment, perhaps.

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To some extent yes. The south of the country (which includes London) is generally more capitalist and market orientated, whilst the north of the country is generally more socialist.

However perhaps this illustrates to some extent the difficulties in boiling complex and sometimes contradictory national identities down to a single function or type.

Urban areas have weaker sensing than countryside.

Well by that measure the U.K. is also one of the most urbansised nations in the world. (once city states such as the Vatican, Singapore, Hong Kong etc have been excluded.)

Urbanization by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by Pinocchio

Maybe you'll be ILE that time :).

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I sure hope so.

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Originally Posted by Pinocchio

Maybe you'll be ILE that time :).

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It depends on what the Sorting Hat decrees.

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Originally Posted by he died with a felafel

canada is not Delta. the fact that it's a peaceful country that promotes humanitarian values is not delta-related at all - delta doesn't have a monopoly on this. it's a great country btw, but it's just not Delta. france is also a peaceful country that promotes humanitarian values but that doesn't make it delta. don't jump the gun based on superficial values. i would faster consider INTj for canada than any delta type, but, frankly, couldn't care less to elaborate.

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Precisely. It's pretty dumb imo to try to give a whole nation one particular type. To do so involves imo a lot of stereotyping and little actual knowledge of the various regions of that nation, maybe someone who's been there once or twice or only been around one particular place in that country.

It's probably easier to give cities or towns a type than a country.

However, I suppose it's a bit of idle speculation fun to give it a type anyway, but to debate it? That's just way too much time and theorising to be any use...even just for theorising's sake :-D

However, let the games commence, heh.

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