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Debbie Schlussel....SLE-Se 7w8 so/sp
https://www.earnthenecklace.com/wp-c...ussel-Wiki.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVONnlnQeiE
Heidi Fleiss...SLE-Se 7w8 so/sx
https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-con...02/3330061.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obZqkYHVjZk&t=199s
It's all coming together now.
Unification
@Kill4Me
You got some examples of SLEs who are SX-first? (Bonus points for women, as they're more pleasing to look at.)
Parvati Shallow - SLE-Ti 3w2 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOwRtkMjznk&t=45s
Rachel Robinson - SLE-Ti 8w9 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRLTc3wT4E
Kendra Wilkinson - SLE-Ti (Socionix) 6w7 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J7sSmwDF0o
Drita D'avanzo - SLE-Se 7w8 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID7b3C5gHcs&t=471s
Stella - SLE-Se 8w9 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXyZWkbygd0
Camilla Poindexter - SLE-Se 8w7 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-IdTAfNiI
People on here know Camilla from BGC ? Interesting.
Lenny Mclean...SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sx
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.c...0&h=562&crop=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DraD1LFGkr8
Lee Duffy...SLE-Ti 8w9 sx/sp
http://i1.gazettelive.co.uk/incoming.../lee-duffy.jpg
https://www.betterworldbooks.co.uk/p...die-1844544729 (his rival Viv Graham was LSE-Te)
Xie Caiping....SLE-Ti 8w7 sp/so
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...833_de27-1.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/0d/f8/80/0...99428e8e90.jpg
Dubbed the "godmother" of the Chinese underworld, she was notorious for her toughness and a lavish lifestyle that reportedly included luxury villas and a stable of 16 young lovers.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/33606185/n.../#.WqYE50xFzIU
Living up to the stereotype of the hardbitten gangster, she swore in court, to the displeasure of the judge. One associate described her as "good at debating and drinking, and very helpful to friends".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...her-underworld
The queen pin employed a security force that kept an eye out for possible raids and operated like a legitimate police force. So even the police were not safe from Xie’s displeasure. The queen pin’s security once caught one police man named Xie Yingkuang, who was working undercover investigating Xie’s gambling dens. In August, 2006, Xie’s security exposed Yingkuang’s cover. After being held for about twenty-five hours, Yingkuang was stuffed in a gunny bag and left in the wilds, many kilometers away from Chongqing.
On at least one occasion, Xie detained a police officer whom she claimed was a “thief from the outside.” Xie was also said to have thugs beat up businessmen and women when they didn’t agree to turn their establishments into casinos. The queen pin’s treatment of informants was brutal. One of Xie’s victims claimed at her trial that Xie ordered her subordinates to find out who reported to the police and then cut their hands and legs.
http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profile...ese-underworld
Mark Changizi, SLE scientist/inventor )))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oqWLkGuDVI&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVtOMXC3ak4
Oh Lord. The laugh at 1:17 was so awkward. :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
My 1D Fe doesn't find it awkward lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful
Chuck isn't an EP. LSI most likely.
Carmine Galante...SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f1/25/2e/f...ce250be382.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqy937BT4yo&t=99s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmin...re_gangster-7:
"Galante stood around 5 feet 6 inches and weighed approximately 160 pounds. While in prison in 1931, doctors diagnosed Galante as having a psychopathic personality."
"The New York crime families were alarmed at Galante's brazen attempt at taking over the narcotics market. Galante also refused to share any drug profits with the other families. Although Galante was aware that he had many enemies, he said, "No one will ever kill me, they wouldn't dare."
"Galante reportedly had a cold, dead-eyed stare with eyes that betrayed an utter indifference to human life, scaring both law enforcement as well as other Mafia members. Ralph Salerno, a former New York Police Department detective, once said, "Of all the gangsters that I've met personally, and I've met dozens of them in all of my years, there were only two who, when I looked them straight in the eye, I decided I wouldn't want them to be really personally mad at me. Aniello Dellacroce was one and Carmine Galante was the other. They had bad eyes, I mean, they had the eyes of killers. You could see how frightening they were, the frigid glare of a killer."
Weckingball…SLE-Ti 7w8 so/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-3BTJ7SbPU
https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/sle-ti/
schlussel retypes SLE-Se
Sam Rango...SLE-Se 6w7 so/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L14eiMUZ7g4
Joan Jett...SLE-Se 1w2 so/sx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CanYctOLvlo
Solid fit for SLE-Se VI template:
https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/sle-se/
Don Arden...SLE-Ti 8w7 sp/sx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgodqFadGtI
http://performingsongwriter.com/wp-c...-Don-Arden.jpg
"He achieved notoriety in Britain for his aggressive, sometimes illegal business tactics; which led to his being called "Mr Big", the "Yiddish Godfather" and the "Meyer Lansky of Pop"."
"In 1966, Arden and a squad of 'minders' turned up at impresario Robert Stigwood's office to 'teach him a lesson' for daring to discuss a change of management with Small Faces. This became one of the most notorious incidents from the 1960s British pop business. Arden reportedly threatened to throw Stigwood out of the window if he ever interfered with his business again"
"When group member John Hawken confronted Arden about some confusion over monies to be collected, his manager told him, "I have the strength of 10 men in these hands" and threatened to throw him from an office window."
The band's first hit was obtained by "chart-fixing",[3] which cost Arden £12,000. Arden denied it was cheating: "I had a saying, you can't polish a turd. In other words, if the record's no good to begin with it still won't be any good after you've wasted your time and money getting it played."
"In 1979, one of Arden's successes, Black Sabbath, sacked their vocalist Ozzy Osbourne. Arden's daughter Sharon entered into a relationship with Osbourne, and took over his management from her father. Arden was livid. Reportedly, the next time Sharon visited Don, his vicious pet dogs savaged her.[12] She was pregnant at the time and lost the child."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Arden
Mike Tyson...SLE-Ti 6w7 sx/sp
http://wallpapersdsc.net/wp-content/...n_iphone_5.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMtEuP7fu2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1i5iKEz7B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_trSpg99yc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PmV_vsYgPI
So SLE, he is naturally athletic, competitive, tough, lots of energy, animalistic, likes to fight, likes to train, likes to be feared, likes to hurt people, thrives in battle and is very territorial. Ti-subtype as he was a very disciplined trainer.
For his enneagram, tyson is certainly in the reactive 4, 6, 8 grouping. Obviously not a four, six is right. He is too soft and self-indulgent for an eight.... too humble in contrast to the empire builder 8 and showed extreme, unwavering devotion to Cus D'Amato and Don King, which, in the latter, cost him dearly.
In contrast to eights, sixes also have a life pattern of falling behind the eight-ball because of interpersonal strife/conflicts, with eights the conflicts are primarily with obstacles in the way of, or in furtherance of, expansion. The whole Robin Givens relationship pretty much broke Tyson as a fighter and that was the reason he lost to a journeyman Buster Douglas and fell headlong into a downward spiral. Tyson also has a weakness and/or love/hate relationship with authority figures. Cus D'Amato took him in and provided him with daily structure. Tyson's devotion to 8w9 Cus D'Amato was unparallel. His relationship has overtures of Marilyn Monroe's relationship to Lee Strasberg, who enjoyed wielding his authority in an autocratic manner at the Actor's Studio. She reportedly did great work at the actor's studio but became so attached and dependent on Strasberg's strong personality that Monroe could not function unless he was there. Cus D'Amato's passing also contributed to Tyson's downward spiral. The next Cus D'Amato for him was Don King, another strong personality. But Tyson's devotion to King cost him as King was able to simply rob and exploit Tyson.
In the interview with Robin Givens, Tyson also just sits there and doesn't really assert himself, even as Robin Givens is dogging him. Seven wing due to his rashness and capacity for ingratiation
Tyson is not as steadfast and mentally tough in battle as an eight...you see this in the fight with evander holyfield when he bit Holyfield's ear. He falls more to the mercy of triggers than say a SLE 8 like Napoleon, who was more willful and strategic when it came to driving his own agenda in the midst of the action...SLE 8s are typically naturally very good at war-time/aggressive strategy, even without any experience (note, important to distinguish from tactics)...Tyson is quicker to lose his presence of mind and just start brawling, by strategic and willful the capacity to take action in the absence of a trigger day in and day out, one brick at a time if need be, purely to expand one's territory. Of course, Tyson is capable of doing big things, but he just needs to be triggered to get him going... He'll respond intensely, but that's not willpower, that's just fight or flight, where being tactical comes in handy. Most people can be pretty intense and action-packed when there is a fire in their house, but what happens when there's no fire, what are they doing. Willpower is being able to put a strategy into action in the absence of any external trigger.
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
SLE for sure and 7w8 seems about right. When he smashed the board--->have seen similar things before.
Lars Monsen, Norweigian explorer and nature lover
C-SLE
https://youtu.be/u00m70kcmu4
Norwegians seems stereotypically SLI/delta, just wondering if you could elaborate a bit on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
edit: with low Iq.Quote:
Originally Posted by timber
Is that the Mirror of low Ip?Quote:
Originally Posted by timber
Caroline Proust actress in French cop show Engrenages and also her character in the same show Capitaine Bertaud SLE (se subtype maybe?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSW1MnNkoDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpFwqDiQ8c0
There is so much material on him in all the tv programs he has made so I thought it was pretty easy to type him.Quote:
Originally Posted by timber
He is a nice guy but incredibly tough and physical.
In the series "Monsen på villspor" he gets dropped off in the wilderness and has to find his way back. The hostess of the show is EIE and Monsens old friend also appears who seems LSI.
Edit: I can get a feeling of "LSI" in Monsen also. Strong Ti. Probably because he is C subtype
hahaha! zing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
LSI over SLE to reconcile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
Joseph Kony...SLE-Se 9w1 so/sp
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yu92QPsz5l...ony-uganda.jpg
https://youtu.be/scMHLWzGOd0?t=458
Charles Bronson...SLE-Ti 8w7 sx/sp
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a1/11/a0/a...9f0ddde5e3.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz5kwOAv96k
Big Herc….SLE-Ti 6w5 sp/sx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzSPJhLSd8E
Ultimate Warrior...SLE-Ti 1w2 so/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VULXFQFl0Lk
Newbolt...SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieQl7L2v3Fk
Sky....SLE-Se 2w3 so/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUmWMCDFbTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4q1AcwJbh4
Coral...SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16a7w2NLYaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vOIEg7N97A
Mike Matei - N
Zakk Wylde...SLE-Ti 9w8 sx/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRfJyxB7FU0&t=342s
:love::bashhead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn1kw3_mI70
El Guapo in The Three Amigos is SLE.
Miss Denker in Downton Abbey probably is too.
At least, that is how I've been typing 'em...
Jessica...SLE-Se 9w1 so/sx
I finally found an example of this enneagram-socionics combination. They are very, very rare!, but the physiology for both socionics and enneagram is on all fours with Stackemup Typology (see my profile).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRZNeXg9n6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WcSgsqAUVQ
Not Se/Fi...she says to her parents, "Don't say anything to me. I'm cutting ties with you, anyway" in a really cold tone. Too cold for Se/Fi....it is more the tough talk made possible through Fi PoLr. Fi-creative gives SEE a more humanistic bubble-burst so by the end of the episode there is a tearful reconciliation. This is the only example of a SLE-Se 9w1 so/sx ever to have been posted on this forum. Her trifix would be 9w1-2w3-7w8, same trifix as Courtney Love but with a different core fix. Courtney Love is SLE-Se 7w8-9w1-2w3 so/sx.
Toto Constant...SLE-Ti 8w7 sp/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ps4LcJMqw&t=190s
Some Revisions:
Newbolt is SLE-Ti 8w9 so/sp, Frank Lucas is SLE-Se 8w9 so/sp.
Charles Bronson (UK Prisoner) is SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp, not SLE-Ti 8w7 sx/sp.
(I've only found half-a-dozen SLE 8w7 so/sp examples out of some 2500+ people: Charles Bronson (UK), Huey Long, Carmine Galante, Carl Panzram, Tony Spilotro, La China)
How come no one has mentioned Michael Avenatti here aka Creepy Porn Lawyer?
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Big Boy (Strength Cartel)...SLE-Se 8w7 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_OiKoIMbjo
Xie Caiping...SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp
I've decided to reroute Xie Caiping from SLE-Ti 8w7 sp'o to SLE-Ti 8w7 so'p. so/sp 8w7s have more dominant vibes in pictures because the unconscious, instinctive strategy of dominance is being pushed out into the Social Sphere.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B-TJ2haL3c...ie+Caiping.jpg
"I have the might to crush you like soda can!" Look at the vibe on the faces of those two next to her.
Caiping best fits with SLE-Ti...As an SLE, Caiping has a cognition for force, brutality and conquering obstacles in the way of her goals....The Ti-subtype likes to be feared, likes to intimidate, fight and hurt people. Short-fused and abrasive are other notable descriptors for SLE-Ti. Fi PoLr gives the impression of indifference towards human suffering and a primarily moving against, competitive object relations. Se/Fi favors a more moving towards, cooperative object relations even if they come off as having a big mouth.
Caiping best fits with type 8...Xie Caiping is a good example of the Aggressive Gestalt. As an 8, her unconscious strategy/drive is dominance and area of fixation is power. This is evidenced by the ruthlessness that came out when she was not shown deference and her overall iron-fisted style. She also demonstrates the core action set for type 8: ruthless expedience, threatening or violent language/behavior, never backing down from a fight, and killing the competition. Go review my primers on each gestalt in the fictional exemplars thread in the enneagram sub-forum.
I see the sub-action set (or wing) is empire-building and waging war which points towards an 8w7 rather than 8w9. She's a good example of the Savage-Aggressive Gestalt. You can tell that from just her photos alone.
Finer Distinctions (8w7 so/sp vs. 8w7 sx/so): Xie Caiping is 8w7 so/sp and Griselda Blanco is 8w7 sx/so. They are both ruthless crime bosses referred to as the Godmother. They both display the core action set and areas of fixation. They even both display the same sub action set. Blanco isn't as tough-minded and sharp-witted as Xie Caiping...Blanco is softern and self-indulgent, not quite as independent. Remember that Blanco fell in love with Charles Crosby to the point that she decreased power. Crosby is also the one who eventually did her in after the authorities picked them up over a wiretap conversing about the "JFK plan." Blanco also used a lot of drugs and ate a lot...she was obese. sx-last 8w7s are more independent and athletic. They do not develop addictions to drugs, alcohol, gambling, over-eating and/or sex...Al Capone (LIE-Te 8w7 sx/so), same thing....look at his big belly and note that he contracted Syphillis. Two vices right there you are not going to find in a SLE-Se 8w7 so/sp like Napoleon, etc. Napoleon was a lot more disciplined and willful. Sp-last 8w7s are softer and self-indulgent in contrast to the other stackings of 8w7 but still have the same core action set. Like Napoleon, Blanco and Capone were all about killing the competition and waging war on rivals in order to maximize power.
Every time someone types a sociopath, or psychopath, SLE a demon loses it's wings.
:na:
N/A...SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp
Here's another female SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp. I can tell by the look of her eye.
http://images.iimg.in/c/5757a6d0c45d...een.img?crop=1
It's suspected to be a picture of Shobha Iyer - India's Mysterious Gang queen.
https://www.scoopwhoop.com/inotherne...ld/#.nyf1sgyc5
However, another site is reporting that there's no photographs on record for Shobha Iyer.
So if you look out with intensity you are SLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
He only focuses on this criminal version. Hes not wrong, hes also not totally right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
My two closest friends as a child. Photo taken 20 years ago. Guess who the SLE is...
Attachment 15023
I think Chocolate Mousse is the best fictional SLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFSWxzXXOo
on the rightQuote:
Originally Posted by MrsTortilla
it's Fe clownQuote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
Yes of course. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Chuck Liddell Sle, yup! :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9EIR6aegz4
Rosie Perez SLE
Attachment 15075
Here's a good one:
Clarese Gainey....SLE-Ti 8w7 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukHFSOg82SQ
Where's the evidence for Ti subtype in this video?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
Jiggy Izzy - awesome little SLE basketball player age 10. Wow!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f3CBJLAneCA
David Lamar...SLE-Ti 7w8 sp/so
The original Wolf of Wall Street...
https://unremebered.files.wordpress....ame1.png?w=705
"But in the early part of the 20th century, it was David Lamar who first carried that dubious moniker, assigned by others, and metaphorically referring to a “wolf” as a “rapacious, ferocious, or voracious person.”
Leonardo DiCaprio’s blistering performance aside, Jordan Belfort had nothing on David Lamar."
"For example, Lamar once impersonated a US Senator in hopes of taking the floor and driving down steel prices while he unabashedly shorted the stock.
Lamar was arrested and sent to jail several times and was once accused of having a man beaten who was ready to testify against him. His boldest swindle may have been against a Rockefeller, John Jr. , who spent a million dollars of his wealthy father’s money to buy leather stock, only to watch Lamar sell it off."
"The day after his death, an obituary dispatch appeared in newspapers throughout the country.
It read:
It isn’t so much the loss of wealth in David Lamar’s life which excites curiosity, as it is an appreciation of struggles through which it passed. He had one blinding ambition, and that was huge profits through sly operations on the stock market. What he hoped to gain was not wealth, but power and recognition. He had wealth – this strange man. It didn’t mean a great deal to him. On many occasions, he could have retired and lived lavishly and luxuriously, as he did live when in purple, on a great estate in New Jersey at one time and in a mansion on Fifth Avenue at another. Always his ambition drove him on and when he found his path blocked by legal obstacles, it was charged he was none to scrupulous in cutting his way through them. He divided his time between estate and mansion and jail. We said Lamar must have suffered. The only punishment which could be meted out to him was his own conscience. He was contemptuous and indifferent outwardly to what people said of him, what they thought of him and how they created him. He had his own code and his own rule for living. It was a most bizarre, a most extraordinary one. He took delight in good clothes, in good food, in a cosmopolitan. The mysterious Stock Market operations of the Wolf of Wall Street have been ended by death."
https://unrememberedhistory.com/2017...f-wall-street/
I cant beleive theres actually another SLE-H 8w9 SX like me here. What's going on? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by niffer
I find him so sexy for some reason :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tghOH28bz4
SLE-Se 8w7
I miss read this as " for no reason" XD.Quote:
Originally Posted by fresh meat
I think either statement works :hello:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Pixel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts_JtEaBbdc
Ray Ferrer or Tom Cruise in War of the Worlds is one of the most accurate examples of an ESTp in media.
Hes introverted. Probably lsiQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Pixel
Se for sure, and mostly like beta Se ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingslayer
Yeah agreed. This dude is like a poster child for SE ego, but he himself has said he's very shy and introverted in interviews I've watched. He has said that he literally sat in his car for an hour before some of the interviews hyping himself up to be able to talk for prolonged periods of time in the interview. Also IJ seems to fit a lot better for his model of discipline and control rather than EPQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Pixel
Connor McGregor...SLE-Ti 7w6 sx/sp
Conor McGregor is calling for Ireland’s military to enforce the country’s coronavirus lockdown.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/conor-m...015619826.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOgao7UNw3E
Mayweather backed down from rematch in MMA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63OCvuC-GSY
http://stackemup.livejournal.com/
https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/
Ken McElroy...SLE-Ti 8w9 sp/sx
perfect fit for the SLE-Ti VI template:
https://cdn2-www.wrestlezone.com/ass...mcgregor-4.jpg
https://realunexplainedmysteries.com...8107170139.jpg
Focus on the eyes (physical structure, size, location). For whatever reason, those physiological tells are the treasure trove, as said tells accurately predicts cognitive markers consistent with the socionic types.
https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/sle-ti/
"In 1980, one of McElroy's children got into an argument with a clerk, Evelyn Sumy, in a local grocery store owned by 70-year-old Ernest "Bo" Bowenkamp and his wife, Lois, allegedly because a younger McElroy child tried to steal some candy. McElroy began stalking the Bowenkamp family, and eventually threatened Bo Bowenkamp in the back of his store with a shotgun in hand. In the ensuing confrontation, McElroy shot Bowenkamp in the neck; Bowenkamp survived, and McElroy was arrested and charged with attempted murder.[9] McElroy was convicted at trial of assault, but freed on bail pending his appeal. Immediately after being released at a post-trial hearing, McElroy went to the D&G Tavern, a local bar, with an M1 Garand rifle with a bayonet attached, and made graphic threats about what he would do to Bo Bowenkamp. This led to several patrons deciding to see what they could legally do to prevent McElroy from harming anyone else. Nodaway County Sheriff Dan Estes suggested they form a neighborhood watch."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy
He’s most definitely an Se subtype and 7w8 SLE. He’s a real life Bart Simpson who loves talking shit with some underlying seriousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
I don’t think McGregor is SLE, but EIE. His showiness/peacocking is mob Se, not base. He talks about fighting for his countrymen and being an inspiration for others.
That's just beta Fe collectivism, even I am like that and I have 1D Fe.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnatchYourWeave
For me its kind of like a need to belong to a "we" ..where I'm free to be myself without much judgment from others.
Alphas are like this as well. Both Ti<->Fe quadras are "collectivists".
:thinking: this is kinda basic, but its this sense of "togetherness". It happens at concerts at times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zklqr1xj32Q
:shrug: beta STs are by no means "immune to this", nationalism and similar stuff are normal even for a beta ST.
Even if one disagrees in principle, the need for it would still remain and resurface through some other ways.
Yeah I know it’s a basic Quadra value but Beta STs don’t really talk about the collective stuff on such a representational level unless they’re actually officials. The ones who scream and brag about Beta are the low Se but high Fe types. That’s what Fe does- make threats and peacock. I’ve watched McGregor’s interviews and he’s more about projecting the tough image and strutting which is mob Se. Base Se doesn’t strut around, talk a big game and then lose poorly. His fight against SEE Mayweather was just... fucked up. I lost money cuz McG fooled me! Shoulda bet on the real Se type.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/nEhB6PdPfLi7K/giphy.gif
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Could be, I know for sure Khabib Nurmagomedov is SLE, from personal observations thus far SLE seem to be "solid", they "speak softly and carry a big stick" tbh. So boasting doesn't seem to happen. Solid str8 talking people who deliver (from observations thus far)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnatchYourWeave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FakdYGQ1io
zhang weili
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxoy55ahfqc
look at that beautiful cartwheel at the end to assert her DOMINANCE over the opponent
i want her to stomp me to a pulp then dommy mommy my corpse by pissing inside by skullcap haaah
Yes. He’s very likely to be SLE. The way he describes that he always wants others to give up to him, that’s very Se lead. The desire to make everyone submit is so stronk, it’s our life mission. I’d call that raison d’être.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
When people are on display, unless they’re actors, their base function is super obvious. The ego is confident, and people show the world their ego because it’s what they value and consciously are good at; strength. It’s the sure thing. That dude shows his strength in Se. Ti is enforce others to submit to him, to lose to him in fights. McG is very confident with Fe and laughing, trying to get everyone around to emotionally engage and loves being in the spotlight. He’s really funny to watch in interviews and him strutting around is hilarious and not at all scary, but definitely a showy Fe to mob Se manifestation. SLEs are not confident with Fe and irl, when there’s spotlight SLE gets quiet and really serious. That guy speaks very directly (granted his English is limited) but SLE don’t like talking much if they’re gonna physically show what’s about to go down.
I’m still pissed I lost money on the EIE. This was long before I knew about Socionics, but still. Ugh.
“I want to smash him. Make him humble.” SLE mentality is, if you’re so great then prove it. Don’t run your fucking mouth. Se lead is very serious. You can tell Khabib was really annoyed with McG’s antics acting all tough.
McGregor has an annoying personality tbh. Idk if he is EIE, or I hope he isn't.. because a lot of what he does, with all due respect to him as a fighter, .. is very cringe.Quote:
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Yeah, his personality and antics is very Fe. It’s all for show and if you didn’t know he’s a fighter you’d think he’s just some weird comedian. I assigned Ni to him because of interviews. He talked in futuristic manner but in an absolute way of how he’ll fight. No SLE is remotely comfortable with far future visualization.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Watch how they behave. Khabib Ti maintains order. McG is fucking out of order. Wild and agitated mob Se.
https://youtu.be/agbsUzk3gwc
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Yeah, McGregor is annoying. In a real life Irish bar fight, he'd probably get his ass kicked in and I would likle to be the one to do it. On behalf of all the real, sane Irish people here, you Yanks can have him. We don't want him. Actually, the EIE crew can have him too.
No one seems to appreciate good showmanship these days
I don’t go by other people’s typings or forum typings. I don’t care about that anyway lol I type based on cognition. When it comes to typing people with “fame,” watching multiple videos of them to get a range for consistency is necessary. I didn’t know about Jungian functions until about 1.5 years ago when I read Jung’s Psychological Types. I didn’t know socionics until a friend invited me to a socionics discussion group 10 months ago. Evidence of McG is very Fe base. I’ve watched his earlier interviews and he was more serious with the Ni. But by the time he faced off to Khabib SLE, his Ni isn’t visible anymore. Just pure 4D Fe + Ne. He meanders and throws all sorts of insults attacking Khabib and being SLE, he kept saying, “ok stop talking let’s fight.”Quote:
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Yeah, he’s really a tragic Hamlet figure. Very emotional over nothing and puffing his exaggerating mob Se is cringe and embarrassing. He doesn’t realize he comes off crazy. He just wants to display his aggression like it’s a game, it’s a joke. No it’s not. This is real physical fighting and people seriously train and are disciplined. By this point in his career, he has no self-discipline and just an annoying drunk talking shit to anyone who walks by him. That’s really sad.Quote:
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Khabib is LSI and Connor is 783 so/sx SLE, that's why he's so annoying. He's the most exaggerated version of the type. Se Lead is the chaos type, now throw 783 on there and you got a chaotic showboat, and that's how you get a Connor MacGregor. That skateboard dude is essentially Connor. Loud mouth, talks shit, and might actually do something.
LSI is the quiet one with a big stick, not just because they are I but also because they are Ti calculating more than anything else.
Se is the one that gets big, intimidates, uses Ti as a tool and tactic instead of a constant state they are in (Connors verbal attacks and mental games before every fight, getting vital info on you and using it to get to you). Also Connors lack of knowing when he's crossed the line is Fi PoLR. Let me just throw a dolly through your tour bus window, Fi PoLR, no ethical consideration for his actions. I'm glad Khabib whooped him. But Connor would not get his ass whooped in a bar fight. He is a phenomenal fighter, practically born for the sport. One of the reasons he's so good at the sport is his 4D Se gives him such pressence of mind his instinct can react to the moment naturally, why he knocked out Jose Aldo so fast, pure instinct and presence of mind. Sure not all Se leads got a big mouth, but a 783 SLE is def gonna have the biggest mouth of all, not that they won't back it up. Surprisingly Connor is respectful and humble after a loss and admits his weakness, which essentially is an 1D Ni weakness. He says if he can't see the end of the fight near he losses gas, and you can see it in his fights.
I'm afraid @SnatchYourWeave is right, SLEs are more like @Northstar and not like you describe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Pixel
Appearance. Marshal (SLE, Zhukov, ESTP)
SLE is best defined by the shape and nature of the movements. SLE with enhanced sensing has, as a rule, a thin figure. If this is a woman, then she often has a fragile, sophisticated appearance. The movements are unhurried, phlegmatic. From the outside gives the impression of calm self-confidence. The SLE figure with enhanced logic is different. She is to one degree or another dense, stocky, well-knit. Movement is relaxed, free. When standing still, it is characterized by involuntary vibrations of the arms and the whole body, but calm, not sharp. Hoc is neutral, unremarkable. The eyebrows are often kinked, mobile, sometimes asymmetrical. Showing his dissatisfaction, he threatens to bring them to the bridge of the nose. Eyes, if the sensory component is enhanced, become swollen with age, framed by rather large folds of skin near the eyelids. In logical subtypes, the eyes periodically squint. Lips - heavy, full, inactive, due to which sometimes there is some slurred speech. SLE dresses discreetly. She tries to adhere to some neutral style, not subject to fluctuations in fashion. If this is a woman, then she prefers soft, pastel colors. Men often wear formal dress, suit. This is the manifestation of the SLE's desire not to stand out, to remain in the shadows.
The manner of communication. Marshal (SLE, Zhukov, ESTP)
He is characterized by a restrained, correct manner of conducting a conversation. If the logical component is strengthened, then communication is very relaxed, free, with a smile and displays of positive emotions. Often greets first. He does not directly express his attitude to the issue under discussion. He tries to endear the person to himself with attentiveness and sensitivity, asks him many questions, asks about problems, asks for a personal opinion. All this is done in a delicate, correct manner, which greatly disposes people to an answer. During the dialogue, the following moment is characteristic, which makes it possible to confidently identify this sociotype. SLE, after the interlocutor's remark, pauses, as if thinking, in order to comprehend the information received and give the desired answer. During such deliberation, I tend to squint my eyes.
He is never shy to ask again, to clarify. When he explains himself, he does it slowly, with an arrangement, explaining everything using simple examples from practice. Deserves attention from the point of view of external diagnostics and its way of ending a conversation or discussion. After giving everyone the opportunity to speak, he speaks himself, as if summing up. She reserves the last word. If necessary, he can "put a person in a puddle", defeating him with one remark or phrase said at the right moment. If this moment does not come for a long time, it can provoke a person to be active in order to strike a "sore" place.
Features of behavior. Marshal (SLE, Zhukov, ESTP)
The behavior of the SLE is characterized by iron restraint and composure. The intended global goal is achieved at all costs. He does not pay attention to the bustle around him. If necessary, does not stop at any methods, not taking into account ethical standards. Its activity is expanding in breadth. When it loses control over the case due to its scale, it refuses to control the least essential parts of it, handing them over to other people with whom it establishes a mutually beneficial relationship on a contractual basis. After that, he does not interfere with their activities. A flexible tactician, able to adapt to the situation, but at the same time does not lose sight of the global goal. He only makes temporary concessions. He knows how to arrange his people depending on their usefulness to achieve the goal.
Prefers informal and non-demonstrative leadership. Guides people while staying in the shadows. He tries to get rid of opponents with someone else's hands. It is characterized by great efficiency, perseverance, which increases in proportion to the number of obstacles. Under normal conditions, without difficulties and excitement, he walks relaxed. is pessimistic.
When difficulties arise, he revives, gets excited. I am inclined to put forward ultimatums: either the way I want, or I won't do it at all. It is difficult to piss him off, but if this happens, he cannot stop in anger. To achieve the goal, he attracts all subordinates to work, even not ready to fulfill it. Efficiency is assessed only by the final result, does not control the methods of achieving it. Loves gambling, which requires thinking. Often wins in them, as he knows how to mislead the enemy, to provoke a false step.
Source: https://socioniks.net/article/?id=58
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"The strong are listened to even when they speak in whisper" — Alexander Lebed. Strength, power, purposefulness, determination and perseverance – these are the main "program" values of representatives of this type. For this reason they excel at evaluating the strength and "volitional capabilities" of each person. They pay special attention to people who aspire to power and try to never concede "volitional initiatives" to others.
The main reference point that occupies the attention of ESTp "Zhukov" is the distribution of forces and powers within an existing social structure and his own capabilities. To put it another way, for the entire duration of their lives, regardless of their occupation and interests, consciously or unconsciously, members of this type are constantly posing before themselves a question: "Who will overcome whom?". The entirety of SLE's "volitional sensing" is viewed under the aspect of: "Either I overcome them, or they will overcome me." ("When I was little my father would subordinate me, now that I've grown up I subordinate him.")
Being able to sense own physical strength and power, own ability and authority, is of significance to the SLE. He respects capability and influence, and will respect any hierarchical system that is founded on the "right", in his view, balance of power. The SLE typically ties to find a position for himself or herself within an already existing system. This is the first step in all of his or her endeavors, the "minimal program", the primary goal.
ESTp's "volitional program" consists of consecutive achievements of short-range goals by all means possible. ("The end justifies the means.") The end goal of Zhukov is to obtain a leading position within the hierarchy. It does not matter who he or she is today - the head of a government department or the leader of an opposition group: the ESTp always feels him/herself a person of power and authority. Within his field or area of that was entrusted to him or her, the SLE is invulnerable, has unquestioned authority, is the "God and King". Even if Zhukov works in a department as a regular employee, setting "higher" goals ahead of him/herself, the SLE can in a short period of time subordinate the management (which sometimes works out better for him than heading the department himself).
Organization of power structures and leadership within them – is one of the social functions of representatives of this type. The insertion into a system and the search for like-minded people within it, the insertion into spheres of influence and important business interests, followed by introduction of "his people" whose activities he will oversee, coordinate, and who will obey him at the right moments - all this leads to the creation of ESTp's own substructure within an already existing system: a sequential step-by-step takeover of power by the method of a "gradually compressing iron ring".
ESTp does not waste time on trying to reach extraneous goals that do not lead to his or her final goal. Moreover, the ESTp doesn't let him or herself to get confused and disoriented, and thrown off the course. (For example, an opposition movement will interest the SLE ''only if'' it has an actual chance of growing and gaining influence, if the SLE sees in it a real and solid opportunity to earn "political capital" or a consequential possibility of becoming the leader of the opposition.)
The position of an "errand boy" is unacceptable to the ESTp – this he or she tries to avoid by all means. The SLE finds it difficult to ask anyone for help or favor: he or she feels that this is somehow humiliating. For this reason the ESTp tries to build the situation in such a manner that others will have to do what he needs them to (the method of the "iron ring" in a miniature version).
Unthinkable for the ESTp is a situation where he's taken for a dupe – this is more than just a blow to his ego: it's the collapse of his whole "program". Often an impression arises that the SLE is obsesses with the notion of "respect-disrespect". Constantly and everywhere he requires recognition of his own priority (which in itself already signals an underlying lack of confidence in himself). The more an SLE feels himself "subservient" on the inside – the more attention and respect he will outwardly demand from others.
The ESTp dislikes being dependent. Dependence for him is a sign of weakness, while the ability to make others depend on you – is a sign of power. (He likes to offer his "valuable" services, likes to be "needed" by others, and can also "remember" the favor and ask for a repayment.)
SLE's wish to expand the extent of his influence is dictated not only by unfulfilled ambition, but also an internal need to ensure that he won't be put into a situation of forced submission. ("Either I make him submit, or he will submit me.") Throughout his life, the SLE seems to be accumulating additional "margin of safety". He does not simply "advance for no reason" but tries to capture a little more "for the future". In this case if he's made to surrender something, it won't be as disappointing: he might have to give in and give it up, but it won't be what truly belonged to him. A quality that is widespread in representatives of this type: taking over administrative, physical, and, most importantly, territorial advantages.
The conquest of space for the ESTp is a task of paramount importance. It is realized by people of this type in the most natural and therefore not always fully conscious way. Even if it is a simple capture of extra space in a communal kitchen or extra meters in the backyard, the SLE will feel dissatisfied if the initiative came from somebody else. For representatives of this type taking up space is the most natural state. (Often, without knowing it, Zhukov chooses a central position in available to him space – he can, for example, move himself to the middle of a room and feel well talking to people who are sitting along the walls.)
Sometimes the SLE prepares an "area of action" for himself quite deliberately. For example, having decided to go explore another city or another country, he will gather requests from his friends, which gives him the opportunity to visit their friends and relatives, to ask them about life there and the times, to tell about himself, to make new acquaintances, to get a place to live for a day or two, and before you know he's accepted as one of their own, and the next time he pays a visit as if he's visiting his own friends.
In everyday life the SLE often wins space over with noise and sounds. For a child-Zhukov it is characteristic to shout replies to his parents across the entire yard - at this moment a child of this type feels that he/she owns all of the surrounding space. For Zhukov who has moved to a new place (especially residents of southern countries) it is very characteristic to put on some music at full volume as soon as they arrive, and to leave the door to his house or apartment wide open, so that the neighbors have no illusions about who is the boss here. For the same reason, some SLEs don't like having neighbors who play music loudly and may petition for their eviction.
ESTp's distribution of power is always very primitive: "either-or" - there is no alternative. This is because the SLE is always focused on close-range goals – either he takes it, or he doesn't. ("Either you succeed or you fail.") By and large, SLE's entire system of relations is subject to this: "either a leader – or a servant", "either the owner - or a nobody". In SLE's system, the balance of power has only two poles: the strong and the weak. While the SLE prefers to be in a strong pole, if he has found himself defeated, he is capable of admitting it and submitting to the winning side.
The ESTp is distinguished by an exceptional capacity for work and drive, which grows proportionally to the number of obstacles that he or she faces.
The SLE does not allow anyone to doubt his ability and his right to direct and lead others. People of this type often speak as if they are making declarations - confidently, in a commanding voice. Does not allow himself to be leniency (thinks this may turn around negatively). Prefers to only make demands. Uses every opportunity to show his volitional qualities: determination, perseverance, steadfastness, showing himself in the light of a strict but fair leader.
The ESTp usually excels in roles of leader-organizer: he accurately assesses the qualifications of his workers, asks the top performance from everyone, and assigns work considering the optimal distribution of forces. He sets an intensive work pace in order to achieve the greatest and most productive returns within a minimum amount of time.
In normal life circumstances the SLE feels like he's not quite "in his element", while in emergency situations he becomes active and mobilized. For this reason, the SLE may aim to create an atmosphere of psychological tension. He may tell scary stories and paint things with dark colors - this is done to create a sense of urgency. Generally, extreme conditions invigorate Zhukov, which is why he sometimes toughens disciplinary conditions that keep his subordinates in constant tension. He may introduce unjustified "extreme-ness" into a calm work schedule: this to feels normal to the SLE, and therefore other people around him will have to make themselves comfortable with it.
The SLE prefers group discussions of problems and solutions, but the final decision, as well as the responsibility for it, he leaves up to himself. "The battle is won not by the one who gave good advice, but the one who took responsibility for its implementation and gave the orders" — Napoleon Bonaparte.
The ESTp likes and knows how to take responsibility.
The SLE quickly grasps the present situation and the distribution of forces, makes a decision, and acts on it. He/she is able to take risks, to go "all-in". Not subject to fear. The more dangerous the situation is - the more collected and determined he becomes. In extreme conditions, ESTp's will power, determination, courage, and practical thinking help him to find a solution and a way out.
In critical situations, the SLE calls for decisive actions and for a "build-up of forces". (Carefree and lightweight attitudes are qualities that should not be tolerated, in his opinion.) Prefers to act calmly and very energetically, responding with a blow to a blow. In case of external physical danger he will prudently withdraw. But if under the circumstances it was necessary to engage in a conflict situation, he prefers not to retreat but to fight to the end, even to the detriment of his own interests. ("Victory at all costs!)
The ESTp is not inclined to adapt to his or her partner, only to dictate. Usually he tries to be polite and mature, but if his sense of self worth has been slighted, he can't hide his irritation. In the "slighted" state the SLE feels internally nervous and tries to find a way out of the situation.
In a group, he often takes on the role of an informal leader, the secret controller of the situation who in critical moments prefers to stay in the shade.
The SLE speaks about expediency of action, endurance and stamina, the need to mobilize one's forces in a tone of certainty that leaves no room for objections. He likes to discuss discipline, the need to develop a strong-willed and determined character. Constantly keeps people around him in a charged mobilized state.
The SLE is demanding with respect to himself and others. People who do not fulfill their promises he does not respect. In his eyes, they mean absolutely nothing and he doesn't bother to hide his contempt for such people.
The SLE is confident in his own power and significance, as well as in his social mission.
Venturesome, inclined to contests and competition.
The SLE imposes his life values onto everyone and everywhere as a kind of absolute truth not to be questioned. He often and gladly speaks of the "harsh reality" and appreciates ability to take life "as it is". Willingly shares his life experiences, although he may be too intrusive teaching others "how to live." Always knows "how things should be" and "how they shouldn't be".
The SLE often finds a way to have the last word, decimating his opponent with one replica or a single phrase voiced at the right moment.
ESTp's willful pressuring is often realized by method of logical argumentation and persuasion. To accomplish this, nature has endowed him with flexible, adaptive logic, which primarily serves the purposes of his volitional "program" function.
He will advance and defend his point of view even if it goes against the general public opinion, meanwhile using any and all allowed and disallowed methods of debate: he can raise his voice, use emotional or even physical pressuring: in an argument he doesn't seek truth but victory.
In ESTp's opinion, who is informed and in the know - is protected. Consequently, one who doesn't have necessary information - is defenseless. Therefore the collection of necessary information for the ESTp is as important as the development of power potential (and in many instances for the SLE this one and the same thing).
Venturesome, inclined to contests and competition.
When he doesn't have means of persuading his opponent, he turns to other participants and observers of the dispute to try to mock and discredit his opposition. He feels the need to win by any means possible.
Even though the loud version of SLE is Bart Simpson/Wreakingball, they’re still NOT loud like Fe lead. There’s still restraint in the way SLE conducts themselves in public because SLE is not confident with mob Fe. Realistic SLE mob Fe manifestation doesn’t take on much energy at all, “Hey let me tell you a joke! What?! You didn’t like it? Fuck you!” And most of the time SLE won’t even bother to get to mob Fe in unknown crowds. That’s because Se base wants to be taken seriously, desires to be alert so they can keep sober on their desires. Ti creative not only shows restraint when facing authority, it’s what makes SLE very law abiding. McG isn’t consistent, purposely bypasses laws and disregards rules. He puffs up the emotional atmosphere by talking shit and the more he talks shit, the more energy he gets LOL that’s not within SLE’s capacity no matter what enneagram or instinct. Utilizing superid functions tires out the person, not make them more confident. McG is base Fe to mob Se, showcasing toughness without the substance.
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Originally Posted by SnatchYourWeave
What your seeing as "Fe" and "mod Se" is this
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"When he doesn't have means of persuading his opponent, he turns to other participants and observers of the dispute to try to mock and discredit his opposition. He feels the need to win by any means possible.
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The guy gets paid to knock people out, what do you mean no substance? Part of the reason he's so damn cocky and why it's annoying is because there's a part of him that can actually back it up.Quote:
showcasing toughness without the substance.
Cocky people who get their asses handed to them are jokes, not annoying.
I think the British comedian Jack Whitehall is SLE and his model girlfriend Roxy Horner is IEI.
LIE or EIEQuote:
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Originally Posted by kingslayer
EIE-C. had a discussion with DarkAngelFireWolf69's team about his type and they agreed. discussed the possibility that khabib might be an LSI but they convinced me that he's an SLE.
I always saw Khabib as LSI. He is very into his ideologies and seems to be less harsh than Fi Polr. Fi role looks right over Polr imo. Ne polr would make more sense with 1d fe how he just sat there awkwardly with Conor putting on a show. I feel like an Se base would want to show the audience in some way through Se impact how unaffected he is by the games rather than staying in his Ti shell.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
well the reason why I thought he might be an LSI is that I could only imagine a rational type to be so determined and single-minded over a long period of time. his goal is basically to go down in history with zero losses. I thought that an irrational type would have fluctuations in his performances depending on his mood but he always just seems to be on the top of his game. I also think that SLE are more inclined to excess, but he still drives a toyota and generally seems like a really humble person, makes the impresssion of a warrior to me. on the other hand his impulsive reaction during the connor fight seems more like something an SLE would do. maybe it's because he's a creative subtype. overall I find him very fascinating.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingslayer
I'm intrigued. Not agreeing, but still intrigued. On the surface SLE fits, what else are you seeing here?Quote:
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Khabib's dad was probably LSI. Trained him like a machine, made him fight bears as a kid.
Social instinct and Se subtype / Dominant DCNH if you believe in those, are the stereotype "big personality SLE". Others are chill but can flip a switch like Khabib. Khabib's Fe shows more when he's training with his boys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0LCd9o53WY
Khabib has had a couple Fi PoLR moments like not knowing its not cool to make a homeless man do pushups for cashhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bagT-qJaXNQ
I agree SLE fits on the surface and I thought the same until my friend presented a great LIE argument. Now I can see him being either Si polr type.Quote:
Originally Posted by timber
The first thing I look at it with anyone is temperament, his screams EJ to me. Guy is always in control of himself. We can all agree he values Se, or at the least it's not his demo function. That video that K4m posted of him throwing the bike rack seems like he isn't actually at a loss of self-control. Not the way P's get. It seems like a really controlled hysteric for media attention and hype. All that chest puffing can be Se but he does it to a cringe point which makes it look like Se ha. Also his "swag walk" that he comes out on stage is like the definition of cringe Se lol. He's a great fighter, I don't think fighting and se have anything to do with each other. I know Ni bases who can fight and I know an SEE who is a complete pussy fighting, just bullies people.
Mcgregor's fighting seems more Ni to me. He has like an intuitive grasp on how to time his shots on opponents. This is pretty popular with VS cognition as well. SLI does this a lot. I find SLE to be more aggressive in a fight and use more brute force. Connor is very timed and precise. Stipe Miocic is an SLE fighter imo and he looks totally different in the ring and the way he fights and just how he carries himself. Donald Cerrone is another, the guy McGregor beat in like 30 seconds or something lol.
SLE fluctuate on energy. Connor just always seems wired EJ. He also talked A LOT of shit to Khabib just to get embarrassed in the ring. Then when Khabib was saying "talk now, talk shit now" or whatever during the fight, Connor replied "it's just business" I can't see an SLE ever replying like that after talking as much shit as he did. At that point you double down or shut the fuck up and roll over, don't start bs cringe se pleading after you tried to verbally annihilate this guy for weeks in front of an audience lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGFA3PViSXU
if this ain't Se ha then what is? lol
All that showmanship and "it's just business" etc etc looks like Te Ni to me behind the scenes. He's playing an Se base character on the surface for the audience.
The funniest thing about this is you're saying "He must be LIE because he's too Se." Bruh, that's cuz he's SLE lol. And it can be cringe seeing someone else with our own type sometimes.Quote:
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The man is LSI. I don't think telling the man to do push ups for money is inherently Fi-PoLR, it could actually come from his Ti principles that "You have to work for you're money." Like he had to work hard his whole life to get where he got.Quote:
Originally Posted by inaLim
You know what's Fi PoLR. Connor Mcgregor saying this after Khabib's dad died from Covid and people talking about Connor's loss on twitter. "Oh yea, like his dad lost in a fight with Covid." That is Fi PoLR.
I was saying his use of Se looked more like an LIE flexing se than an SLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Pixel
I have reconsidered since this post though. I do think hes SLE again