What type does this description sound like?
Abraham Maslow's characteristics of self-actualizing individuals
Perceptions are reality based
Acceptance of self, others, nature
Resistant to acculturation
Spontaneous, simplicity, naturalness
Problem-centered rather than self-centered
Need for privacy and “down time”
Autonomous of environment and culture
Freshness of appreciation of life
Periodic peak experiences
Identification with all humankind
Deep friendships with a few
Acceptance of democratic values
Strong ethical sense
Unhostile sense of humor
Creative
Re: What type does this description sound like?
Perceptions are reality based = not NT/TN; so SF/FS, NF/FN; ST/TS
Acceptance of self, others, nature = not beta ST, not SFj, NT/TN; so ISFp, ESFp, ISTp, ESTj, NF/FN
Resistant to acculturation = not type related
Spontaneous, simplicity, naturalness = not type related
Problem-centered rather than self-centered = not type related...many IPs are problem centered though many people say their self centered, many EPs are self-centered, as are many EJs and IJs, as well as some of each being problem centered
Need for privacy and “down time” = not type related, even extroverts and Fs need privacy and downtime
Autonomous of environment and culture = not type related
Freshness of appreciation of life = not type related (the autonomous, freshness, and resistance to acculturation suggests someone who's not been "tested" as a child)
Periodic peak experiences = not type related; not tested
Identification with all humankind = how can they identify with all human kind if they are autonomous of environment, culture, resistant to acculturation? They can think they identify, but it's not really identifying
Deep friendships with a few = not type related, even extroverts and Fs may have only a few deep friendships
Acceptance of democratic values = as in republican vs democrat? or as in democratic vs dictatorship?
Strong ethical sense = not type related (NTs are perhaps the most "ethical" types)
Unhostile sense of humor = not type related (though i'd rule out estps)
Creative = not type related; each type has their own creativite abilities...yes, even istjs
Re: What type does this description sound like?
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Originally Posted by anndelise
= not type related
= not type related
= not type related
Technically, you're right, in the sense that everybody can be this way or that way. In fact, almost anything in any Socionics description isn't type related, because one can always find exceptions. However, there are certain things that are sort of "code words" for type related things; it's when one highlights certain things that one points to type.
Hence, if one says someone is "spontaneous," that's a code word for "p." Naturally, rational types can also be spontaneous. These code words are attempting to get get at some sort of truth that is type related, but unfortunately words fail, because as soon as you put a word to it, then people can say, "Hey, other types are like that too."
Re: What type does this description sound like?
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Originally Posted by Jonathan
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Originally Posted by anndelise
= not type related
= not type related
= not type related
Technically, you're right, in the sense that everybody can be this way or that way. In fact, almost anything in any Socionics description isn't type related, because one can always find exceptions. However, there are certain things that are sort of "code words" for type related things; it's when one highlights certain things that one points to type.
Hence, if one says someone is "spontaneous," that's a code word for "p." Naturally, rational types can also be spontaneous. These code words are attempting to get get at some sort of truth that is type related, but unfortunately words fail, because as soon as you put a word to it, then people can say, "Hey, other types are like that too."
Uhh, so you're saying that there's nothing exclusive to any type and any type can act like any other type and the thing that makes a type is what is focused on when describing one type? Why shouldn't I consider this ridiculous and ignore socionics as an overglorified cold reading?
Re: What type does this description sound like?
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Originally Posted by Jonathan
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Originally Posted by anndelise
= not type related
= not type related
= not type related
Technically, you're right, in the sense that everybody can be this way or that way. In fact, almost anything in any Socionics description isn't type related, because one can always find exceptions. However, there are certain things that are sort of "code words" for type related things; it's when one highlights certain things that one points to type.
Hence, if one says someone is "spontaneous," that's a code word for "p." Naturally, rational types can also be spontaneous. These code words are attempting to get get at some sort of truth that is type related, but unfortunately words fail, because as soon as you put a word to it, then people can say, "Hey, other types are like that too."
well, sure, but if you restrict yourself to working with specificities and eliminating everything that might be characterized as overly general from conversaion than activities like this where you're not dealing with a real person become impossible. obviously, many traits might be too general, but that's a different story.
Re: What type does this description sound like?
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Originally Posted by Jonathan
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Originally Posted by anndelise
= not type related
= not type related
= not type related
Technically, you're right, in the sense that everybody can be this way or that way. In fact, almost anything in any Socionics description isn't type related, because one can always find exceptions. However, there are certain things that are sort of "code words" for type related things; it's when one highlights certain things that one points to type.
Hence, if one says someone is "spontaneous," that's a code word for "p." Naturally, rational types can also be spontaneous. These code words are attempting to get get at some sort of truth that is type related, but unfortunately words fail, because as soon as you put a word to it, then people can say, "Hey, other types are like that too."
the phrases given that i responded to were too general
it'd be better to ask questions like
Creative how? with what?
Strong ethical sense.....which ethical rules? how strong? believe strongly in certain ideals? tolerant of others' "strong ethics"? takes action to promote or possibly push own ethical sense onto others? takes action to force others into following this person's ethics?
Autonomous of environment and culture....what environment? which culture? how autonomous..an outcast? does own thing? rebel?
Needs privacy and downtime...under what conditions? what thresholds prompt the need for downtime? how much privacy? which specific privacies?
when i'm asked to guess at or help determine someone's type, there are three common questions i ask myself.....
Given description A....
1) do all or at least the vast majority (greater than 85%) of a specific type fit description A?
2) are there other types that could also commonly fit description A (greater than 35%)
3) could something other than type be involved regarding description A?
(i don't actually calculate percentages, it's an over general feel....like a balancing weight machine...if i put type A into one side, and type B or more into the other side.....does A's side seem far heavier?)
If there is not a significant difference, then I cannot refer to it as type related.
Re: What type does this description sound like?
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Originally Posted by anndelise
the phrases given that i responded to were too general
Well you're right. From a Ti-like point of view, it's fine to show how the way he phrased it wasn't correct. But it's also possible to understand intuitively what was meant behind the phrases...where Rick was coming from. The phrases themselves don't capture it; you're right there.
I think the most interesting thing in the thread is that it again highlights the perceived similarities between EII and SEI. As artists, these types may seem somewhat similar, valuing Si/Ne and being feeling introverts. What are the major differences between their forms of expression and typical forms of speech and creations?
Re: What type does this description sound like?
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Originally Posted by anndelise
NTs are perhaps the most "ethical" types
Yeah. I've been thinking for a while that perhaps I'm a quite ethical ENTp.