Differences between IEI-INFp and SEI-ISFp

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Originally Posted by paranoid

SEIs tend to hold strong views about pretty mundane shit, like, "why are models so skinny???" (social/societal) whereas IEIs are more like, "why the fuck is America invading the Middle East... AGAIN?!" (global)

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obnoxious Te PoLR activates

Oh so just because it's global it's more important :rolleyes: ?

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Agree about the aristocracy thing. I tend to meet people in groups and then pick off my favorites to be my closer friends and acquaintances. Also yep, I do have a tendency of seeing people in terms of utility. "Hm, you'll be PERFECT for introducing me to new music... and you'll be great at watching TV shows with...".

I think my HA manifests more in a shallow desire to "understand how things work". The Hidden Agenda function to me is the "look at me do this I'm soooooo smart" function (especially since it covers for the PoLR, so using it can feel like a clever workaround). It's when I ask an engineer about how they produce a plastic or whatever so that I feel intelligent, but I don't actually care about using that knowledge in practice.

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Originally Posted by Stellafera

obnoxious Te PoLR activates

Oh so just because it's global it's more important :rolleyes: ?

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well, the former involves invading foreign lands, ransacking their resources, and maiming, killing, and raping innocent civilians, which I'd deem a more pressing issue than unrealistic beauty standards making teenage girls in the West feel insecure about themselves. :D

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I think my HA manifests more in a shallow desire to "understand how things work". The Hidden Agenda function to me is the "look at me do this I'm soooooo smart" function (especially since it covers for the PoLR, so using it can feel like a clever workaround). It's when I ask an engineer about how they produce a plastic or whatever so that I feel intelligent, but I don't actually care about using that knowledge in practice.

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that sounds more like Te HA to me. Knowing for the sake of knowing rather than seeking understanding. I think the nature of Ti is in creating a latticework of mental models wherein every new piece of information is mentally sifted through before it's accepted and carefully placed on this ever-expanding "tree" of information, so I fail to see how "look at me do this I'm soooo smart" is indicative of Ti HA.

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Originally Posted by paranoid

That sounds more like Te HA to me. Knowing for the sake of knowing rather than seeking understanding. I think the nature of Ti is in creating a latticework of mental models wherein every new piece of information is mentally sifted through before it's accepted and carefully placed on this ever-expanding "tree" of information, so I fail to see how "look at me do this I'm soooo smart" is indicative of Ti HA.

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Hm, maybe I described it poorly; it's definitely more about understanding for the sake of understanding than knowing for the sake of knowing. "Knowing for the sake of knowing" sounds more like becoming a human trivia book. When I'm provided with a lot of facts, it reads as informative... for someone else, but useless for me unless I stare at it a while and try to understand how it fits together. I don't feel the buzz of "I learned something new!" until I fit it together right in my head. Not a very naturally empirical thinker here. :oops: What you describe as Ti is very much in my experience; I make a lot of comments like "Yes, I see that it works obviously, but I don't care. I have to know why it works".

In my example given, I tend to hurry whoever I'm talking through all the details ("I bought whatever kilograms of whatever...") and ask them to just explain the generalized thought process behind it and the overall way they're attacking the problem, because that's what I really want and it's hard to fit that all together on my own through a fast-paced face-to-face conversation. I should probably do that less but sometimes I'm lazy.

If I use Fe as a creative function, but my mental imagery is awful. Does that mean I'm probably an SEI instead of an IEI? How much is mental imagery associated with Ni? Any IEI/SEI's here care to tell me how good their mental imagery is? Thank you!

Right? They're pretty similar... in appearance. I picture SEI as the somewhat swaggy musician, you know the kind with many tattoos that does it for fame and glory and for all the girls in the backstage, eheh. The thing is ESI are very creative, but even quite practical about it. They might not delve in the more philosophical sides of their creation, like they are more interested in the convenient side of that.
IEI seem more like the out this world- philosophers. At least the ones I know give this impression, they seem to follow their own visions, not caring if that might actually turn useful or convenient, and nevermind what it is about, although it's usually something quite meaningful to them, but this doesn't mean they'll have more developed mental images, but they'll doubtlessly value that side more compared to what they might gain out of that...