To me both types seem to be quite simular and I was wondering how best to tell the difference between each type.
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To me both types seem to be quite simular and I was wondering how best to tell the difference between each type.
ISTps are often way way more reserved than INTps and they are less open to alternative ways of dealing with things. ISTps also tend to have a tendency towards Sports and Competetion, and focus more on the the physical aspects of things like archetecture and mechanics; they live an active life and have many dynamic hobbies.
INTps are more laid back, but sometimes get picky over small details and can have alot of static habits; most of them have choice favorite hobbies they enjoy time and time again , and they especially like and are good at building things slowly and meticulously over a long period of time.
I think I indeed might be an ISTP but somehow in a kind of self-deluding way I want to be an INTP.
Anyway…
The main problem with the ISTP description I have is the emphasis on an 'active' life and wanting to go out and live.
I in no way have an active life and I feel just fine about the reality of me not having an active life.
Also the competitive description doesn't really fit me very well, even when playing sports at school I really didn't mind losing that much (unless we played bad). But I do like to play sports (watching can be a bit boring).
But the rest of the description fits.
Is it possible I could be hybrid of the two types?
My ISTp sister is like you. She spends alot of time writing, reading, and researching Stargate fanfiction. I think it's laziness, or she feels like she's living vicariously through the characters. She's planning on joining the Air Force though. One thing I'm sure of: she's NOT INTp. She's always been very Si oriented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mist987
I think I'm having problems telling the differences between these two types.
They kinda look the same to me. And the descriptions aren't very good.
> < So. What are the differences between ISTps and INTps?
How do you tell when you don't really know them. What kinda behavior should be taken note off that would differentiate them?
They seem pretty private. And it seems more difficult to know them compared to other types. Even if it's someone close. I still can't tell the difference. Any kind of help would be good. :)
Bombard them with :Ne: and see how they react :)
Sooo.. how would an INTp react?Quote:
Originally Posted by meatburger
by doing nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mea
And how would a typical :Ne: bombardment look like?
istp - more athletic, talks a lot less, more outgoing
intp - generally less careful about his apperance, talks a lot more if approached, less nightlife oriented
Good observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
So ISTps don't talk more when approached? Do they talk less?Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Eh. So, ISTps are very careful about their appearance?
Yeah that was an idea i was playing around with that probablly has no real benefit in this case. INTp's do have strong Ne so they wouldn't do much. You couldn't Fe POLR slap them either as they both have the same POLR...
Talking about lots of possibilities and ideas i suppose going from one to the otherQuote:
Originally Posted by Phaedrus
I disagree about the "careful about appearance" bit; ISTps are Si-dominants but they focus on their own comfort rather than what others may think of their appearance. It can go either way if you compare ISTps and INTps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mea
I'd say that ISTps give more a relaxed, "I-don't-give-a-damn" vibe than INTps. INTps appear slightly more tense.
I agree that INTps are likely to be more talkative, on a one-to-one basis, once conversation got started.
ISTp are better at sports and surviving in the wild, and they can't wait to get out of the concrete jungle and live on an island (figuratively, that is).
Yeah i agree my ISTp friend can go out without his hair combed or shaved lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
Yeah i would say this is accurate. ISTp's are tougher too, you can tell they would throw a punch if they got messed withQuote:
I'd say that ISTps give more a relaxed, "I-don't-give-a-damn" vibe than INTps. INTps appear slightly more tense.
I agree that INTps are likely to be more talkative, on a one-to-one basis, once conversation got started.
Yes, as a general observation, this is accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by meatburger
i agree with expat (again!)
i think ISTps can come off as more relaxed (leven when sitting in a chair you can notice the :Si: dominance with all the relaxed poses.) INTps don't seem to do this as much, like anyone with weaker :Si:.
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Originally Posted by FDG
So how would you describe this tenseness?Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
Also. Say you were to throw Se at an ISTp or INTp.
How would they react?
And how do they react to Fe? Are there any differences?
:lol: But are INTps like that too?Quote:
Originally Posted by meatburger
if they cannot be, then i am not INTp. i pay zero attention to my appearance, apart from whenever there is some formal occasion in which somebody decides that i should look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mea
whoever arbitrarily decided that a suit and tie looked good should be dug up from the ground and mutilated.
I called off work today...bad hair day. ha
He means they go out more often and try to met more people, but aren't the ones neccesarily talking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jessica129
Yeah that's why I said that the INTp cares less, which doesn't mean that the ISTp cares :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
Jessica: why the ? ?
What's the best way to tell INTp from ISTp in a work environment? I think I have to work with a person who is one of those but so far I can't tell which. Any quick hints to tell the difference?
Edit: the person seems kinda relaxed but still has a professional attitude. Speaks with a somewhat monotonous tone especially in official situations. Never shows emotions really and is critical and concerned is people want to do things in a great hurry. Generally seems positive and encouraging but occasionally is overtly concerned about certain things. Is somewhat athletic. Apparently gave me some Si-advice even when I didn't ask for it (I had a wound in my hand which I ignored). Is very clear in explanations and sometimes painfully accurate (well not really but likes to tell things like they really are). I like the style but it might make some people yawn a bit. Has his very special sense of humor (but I haven't heard any dark humour yet). Quite helpful and supporting even if it is hard to see at first. Writes e-mails in very unofficial tone (even official e-mails to important people).
INTps are waaay more critical. ISTps tend to have more of a live-and-let-live policy about work, and whenever they have to get other people to do things are careful to be extremely polite about it, emphasizing community benefit or something like that. Si/Se. And yeah, dark humor points to INTp.
From your description I would say ISTp is more likely.
I'm not sure what you mean by that.Quote:
and is critical and concerned is people want to do things in a great hurry.
What things?Quote:
Originally Posted by XoX
Sounds ISTp to me :D
I was gonna say... I pick holes in people's plans... I criticise plans, I'll even criticise the big cheese if I think he's a fool. Maybe not to his face though...
I like to think of ways to improve certain processes or systems. If people don't accept that it's a better way, without proving that it won't work, then I think they're fools too!
The person seems to have a live-and-let-live policy about work habbits but also very high standards for quality of work. When the person wants to make people do things it is done pretty much by just saying it straightforward with a very unemotional and controlled voice like "X needs to be done so will you do it?". There is never any raising of voice and the talk is pretty much always quite slow and clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
I put it badly. It is like the person dislikes it when people are all "chaotic" and "fuzzy" and "heated up" and "panicking" etc. Like someone bombs the person with several emails about how something needs to be done quickly to a problem and this seems annoying when in the person's opinion only one email would do and no need to act like "you are sitting on fire" (or something) when there is nothing big to worry about really. Just some things which need to be taken care about.Quote:
I'm not sure what you mean by that.Quote:
and is critical and concerned is people want to do things in a great hurry.
Well e.g. if there are uncertainties in project plans etc. Like if a technology needs to be used which no one knows about or some parts of the project depend on actions of people no one has connections to. This I thought was far-sighted behavior or Ni-behavior but I don't know. The person doesn't make a big deal out of it just seems to often voice these concerns about how certain practical problems might become big problems if they are not addressed early enough. Some other people are just like "we'll sort if out somehow eventually" but this person wants it to be taken into account when planning and thought about before jumping into doing things. And the person keeps bringing these things up until they are addressed which sometimes annoys others a bit as they are sure these things can be figured out later. This part was what made me thought about INTp. I thought ISTps are kinda careless. I would say a Te-subtype anyways.Quote:
What things?Quote:
Originally Posted by XoX
What else..the monotonous, controlled and slow talk pattern seems to be one thing that stays from context to context. And the person often (slowly and painfully) finishes the sentence even when other people are trying to say something in the middle. The person can also start talking when other people have not yet finished their own sentences. It is quite funny actually. Starting in the middle of someone's sentence and then slowly and painfully finishing their own sentence despite people trying to interrupt. This was one thing I figured is INTp? The certain encouraging and positive nature (underlying the emotionless core) is more ISTp I guess. And the certain sporty nature.
Does this person like to be in charge of things, such as seeing their ideas being born into fruition? Taking charge of the changes, so to speak?
I might be different to others, but generally I stop what I'm saying if someone interrupts me and (if I can be bothered or think it's necessary) resume my sentence once the other person finished. But who knows? I lack assertiveness in general so it might be that instead. Bah I dunno, see what others say on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by XoX
SLI tends to be hardworking, and ILI tends to be lazy. lol
@XoX, yeah, I think ISTp still fits better.
That could be due to Role Ni as opposed to Leading Ni.Quote:
Well e.g. if there are uncertainties in project plans etc. Like if a technology needs to be used which no one knows about or some parts of the project depend on actions of people no one has connections to. This I thought was far-sighted behavior or Ni-behavior but I don't know. The person doesn't make a big deal out of it just seems to often voice these concerns about how certain practical problems might become big problems if they are not addressed early enough. Some other people are just like "we'll sort if out somehow eventually" but this person wants it to be taken into account when planning and thought about before jumping into doing things. And the person keeps bringing these things up until they are addressed which sometimes annoys others a bit as they are sure these things can be figured out later. This part was what made me thought about INTp. I thought ISTps are kinda careless. I would say a Te-subtype anyways.
I guess it is role Ni as the person seems a bit uncertain about the future and perhaps that is why stresses about it. I can see how someone could increase the stress by painting dark future scenarios which would be more difficult in case of INTps who are more certain about their predictions of the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
In a way yes. Seems to look for concrete results. I can't say the person is that iniative taking in regards to other people but seems initiative taking in regards to own interests. When something needs to be done the person just starts doing it without waiting for someone to give orders or something. Just does the thing and that's it. Keeps it simple. Also the person has no problems defining what needs to be done and asking other people to do things and is not afraid of being in charge in that sense (on a small scale, using individual level communication). However I can't see the person organizing and running big meetings that well or leading big groups or handling conflict situations between people. I would think this one is ISTp.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSpin
Now that I think the Mythbusters guy with the hat kind of reminds me of this person (he is ISTp right?)
http://www.perkigoth.com/home/kermit...ythbusters.jpg
http://enespanol.discovery.com/conve...RS-gallery.jpg
Sounds very ISTP to me..I identify with a lot of it.
The mythbusters guy is unbelievably boring. Would be more interesting to watch paint dry.
I think this is pretty much settled then. ISTp it is. Interesting to see how my relations develops. So far seems ok. Mythbusters guy isn't that boring imho, lol. But I can see how some people might see it that way. Not a very typical media person.Quote:
Originally Posted by jessica129
you are a member of the beta quadra.Quote:
Originally Posted by jessica129
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Originally Posted by heath
Explain..
Ditto. I like the show, but that guy is boring. He seems more boring when you contrast him with his partner.Quote:
Originally Posted by jessica129
I think the point to pair them is that the ISTp guy is the "professional" guy who always knows what to do and the other guy is the "funny" guy who keeps the audience entertained. It is a contrast setup. I think it works rather well :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eunice
that is INTP trait...Quote:
Originally Posted by XoX
maybe you could start some filosophical subject. If he knows what you are talking about and uses some really good reasoning skills, and keeps on talking about the subject. he's an INTP. But watch out, ISTP also like those things, but use some strange reasoning, and don't talk to long...
I spent a whole day with this person. Partly in a group and partly in a more individual setting. I'm pretty sure of INTp. Te-subtype INTp I would say. Quite good spirited and active and positive INTp but still INTp. I'm not sure if we are identicals...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
Does he deliberately take things out of context, as his form of humour? And is he critical of plans, thinking of the way things won't work, before glorifying how they will?
Yes this person is very farsighted and a "negativist" in the sense of always focusing on what could go wrong. However outside this kind of "critical negativism" this person is a rather positive and encouraging person. So a negativist in Reinin sense imho but not negative (as some INTps here who seem like they are suffering from permanent depression). Very cooperative too and not "grumpy" in the sense many INTps here are.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSpin
I've not seen any grumpy INTps here, except Niffweed. :P
Well this isn't a socionics way to tell, but ISTp's are sensors and INTp's are intuitives, so look for that which one is more practical on the job. ISTp's work from task to task without much planning, its always this task then that task and then this task, they can be real work horses like that, and when managing their is little "micro-managment" there style is to simple give the orders task by task. INTp's on the other hand are more strategic and work better towards a long term goal, they will easily lose focus is the tasks are overly sensing based <like something that doesn't require the intuitive brand of thought>. INTp's manage in a behind the scenes way, the will make sure everything is operating towards their goal in a productive efficent way and expect people to take individual responsiblity without having to "babysit".
Now socionics wise: The line of thought of the ISTp is :Te: (creative) --> :Si: (producing) -- this means they have insights into the logic quality of things in external reality and develop an inner sense of them from which to operate on.
The line of thought of the INTp is :Te: (creative) --> :Ni: (producing) -- this means they also have insights into the logical quality of things in external reality and they develop an inner understanding of the big picture and intercorrelations.
so basically the difference is one is more practical and a problem solver, a task by task worker, troubleshooter, and concerning with the realistic nature of the problem. <ISTp>
the other is more theoretical and speculative and a problem solver also, they work well to a goal (instead of task by task), analyzes/conceptualizes problem (as opposed to troubleshooting), and concerning with the underlying concepts of a problem.
Hah. Yes. This INTp reminds me of niffweed. It is like niffweed pumped with some drug that makes you positive or "ungrumpy" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KSpin
What are the key differences between these two types? How can you tell the one from the other IRL?
And don't just give me the theoretical (Quadra values etc.) bullshit, give some examples!
Thanks.
one of the key differences is that ILIs have Ni and SLIs have Si.
an example:
there was some situation in which an ILI used Ni. compare that to this other situation in which an SLI used Si. based on this informational analysis the essence of their reactions was very different.
I think one key difference is that the ILI welcomes it when a SEE (whom the ILI trusts and shares goals with) goes into "okay, let's get moving, let's do it" mode - a long as it's something that the ILI also thinks needs to be done, but needs to "borrow" the :Se: from the SEE in order to actually get moving and do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterpark
The SLI does not welcome this kind of thing at all. He'll get moving when he decides he should get moving, and he just ignores (while being a bit annoyed I guess) at someone else's attempts to use :Se: on him.
A simple difference -- I think the SLI is much more likely to say things like "relax" or "calm down" or the like, if he thinks that someone is getting too agitated and impatient about something, needlessly so in his view. I think an ILI is much less likely to say things of the sort.
The SLI will have a good awareness of how things like food and drink, rest and work etc. will make them feel. "This glass is really smooth to touch, it makes my hands feel soft and gives them a nice cooling effect!" is not a typical Si statement, but it's the most basic way of describing a thought process of someone using Si. An ILI wouldn't give a shit about this. They'd be thinking "this glass will one day become thinner at the top, and thicker at the bottom, because [Ni with Te] this is the way in which glass moves. It may shatter eventually if someone knocks it over. It will change owners, from pub to pub or from person to person". When Expat and I met in a pub, we talked about Si base people. I asked how I could know if I was an SLI, and he said that if I was a Si ego, I'd probably take pride in lounging around under the sun listening to music and absorbing peaceful, harmonious vibes from my surroundings. An ILI would not feel this way. They'd be averse to this way of spending one's time.
SLIs are almost always doing something that has some physical manifestation or external movement. ILIs are almost always doing nothing (externally), or doing something that has mostly mental manifestations with a very small physical component.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterpark
I guess that explains why i'm always fiddling with whatever I have in my pockets.
Maybe confidence thing? It's like that ancient proverb:Quote:
Originally Posted by LokiVanguard
Man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day :p
Haha, never heard that one, but I feel like if I have my hands out, they find themselves touching walls, phones, people's stuff (very rude) and just about anything you can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
Examples please? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
LOL, I always keep mine busy, that's for sure. Many times people say to me things like "Why are you touching that? What are you doing with your hands now? Stop doing that while we're talking! Why are you playing with that phone, bottle, glass, key, pen, [insert object]...Quote:
Originally Posted by LokiVanguard
Very true. This is typically a trait in young INTp's, usually lasting into early 30s. After they grow up, this trait usually tones down. And this is not to say that SLI's aren't arrogant either. I conjecture that SLI's tend to be really full of their individuality and "free spirit".Quote:
Originally Posted by ifmd95
Not according to the type descriptions: "As a rule, with the age mind in BALZACS anywhere does not get to, but only it increases in the sizes. Proportionally to it in it grow malice, witticism and craftiness."Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirk Satellite Div.
Not anywhere did I say INTp's become less intelligent as they age. Its the arrogance concerning their own intellect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaedrus
And isn't their increasing malice a valid counter argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirk Satellite Div.
what the heck is the difference? Im talking to this girl, and have an extremely hard time deciphering between the two. Ill copy jessicas questions as they seem helpful:
Simple question, how are they different? How are they similar? How would a relationship with an IEE be different with an ILI than with an SLI? What would be some key ways to notice the difference? Should these differences be glaringly obvious? I've tried to go off quadra preferences and what not and I'm still at a loss.
SLI have you ever confused yourself for ILI? If so, why? IEEs, do you also have trouble differentiating between the two?
I actually dont have too much of a problem differentiating between the two normally. Maria for example i would say is an ILI. One is intuitive and one is a sensor and i do find that to be a huge difference in how they hold their bodies and faces. I think i mentioned in another thread that the ILI's ive met are more responsive to my facial flickers and they show their own. When talking to ILI's its just slightly more uncomfortable. I find SLI's to be more steady in their faces. They just dont seem to react to my emotion in the same way. Thats what i like about SLI's, it just calms me to a great extent. SLI's are often like blunter and harder though, ILI's are often a little softer in their dealings with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by thePirate
Also there will be differences in what they talk about and the activities they say they are going to do. Im dead tired right now though so i cant give good examples lol.
SLIs are calming. ILIs seem a bit nervous to me.
I like this, this seems accurate..especially the bolded part. More realistic, more down to earth, more perceptive, more aware, more relaxed. It's hard to explain it. It's just that feeling you get when you can tell someone is more grounded in reality. I don't necessarily know if I'm less tense than ILI's.Quote:
Originally Posted by meatburger
hehe thanks. I think Slackermom summed up what i was trying to say better with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by jessica129
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SLIs are calming. ILIs seem a bit nervous to me.
I agree w/meatburger & Slacker Mom - the body language is different. SLIs just come off with solidity. You can't really differentiate much with hobbies and things because they can both be similar. In fact, most of the stereotypes about SLIs - loves animals, have a good mechanical/technical sense - those actually apply to all the male ILIs I know too. (I don't know enough about the women ILIs to include them)
If you start talking about an idea, they're the first ones to say (in a sense) "Hold your horses." I'll start brainstorming a random idea, a possibility, and they respond with "Weeeell, maybe, but you have to consider X, X, X, X, X...." zillions of reason why it most likely won't work. That was the only thing that bothered me about my father. To me it seemed that he shot down everything, and talked himself out of everything. I guess maybe an SEE would say, "Quit worrying." and taking those things into consideration, would take action? Not entirely sure.
Usually when SLIs shoot something down, they just say, "No. That's too much work." and don't really delve into it much farther. If you press them, they'll respond again with more force. If you press an ILI, they'll bend more.
The ILIs I know are also interested in finance, strategy, economics, politics... again, I've never discussed these topics with the women. Get the guys on those topics, and they practically glow with excitement. This could just be the crowd I know, though.
hehe, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny_dancer
don't get me started on one of those things.
people sometimes get scared since I've got so many opinions on those subjects.
lol I think ILIs are really interesting to listen to when they're talking about this stuff. My dad eats the Wall Street Journal for breakfast.
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Oh yeah, I forgot I need to go read my plumbing manual and brush up on my mechanical skills and practice my jump shot and go get another pet and sit in a corner alone eating corn puffs and watching the history channel
LOL!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jessica129
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Hmm Is she SLI or ILI? Shes this girl that lives on campus in my building. We talk and get on quite well. Lately we have been talking more at lunch times etc. Today i decided that i would go shopping and i would see how healthy i could be. I had to pick up an Xbox controller for an EII friend so i went to woolworths. When i was looking for a register i saw her behind it so i lined up. I totally forgot she worked there. She said "i thought you were a coles guy?" and im like "i have no allegiance to either supermarket". So we are chatting and she asked what i have been up to. A few days ago she said that we were both booring people who never do anything. So i said to her that i went scuba diving in the morning and hang gliding early afternoon. She laughed but didn't believe me for a second. I think she thought that i might have came there to impress her because of the huge amount of things i purchased, all of it healthy stuff. I bought shit like swordfish, fruit, iced tea and dried apples and apricots lol.
Some people i have trouble telling their type for whatever reason, but i think ILI or SLI are most probable. I have been kind of rating what i know about her:
Picks sports up quickly apparently SLI > ILI
paying her ILE brother out for his driving SLI > ILI
Her facebook says she likes the Legend of Zelda ILI > SLI?
She hangs out with a gamma crowd i think (although there does seem to be a lack of deltas here) ILI > SLI
She was pretty good friends with an LSE here. SLI > ILI
Often in pictures shes doing the same smile, and jumping up in the air ILI > SLI?
Said she is interested in the stockmarket ILI > SLI!!!
I dunno.... One thing i have noticed is when we talk i do this quite rude thing of becomming uninterested every now and then. ILI > SLI? I do the same kind of thing to my ESI mum. Shes quite intelligent and often our conversations do not perfectly gel. I haven't felt any duality really. Still, i have a feeling shes a fan of me and i do like her. After compiling this post my instincts say that she is ILI. Damn it. :mad:. I am still not totally convinced. Any ideas on how to tell?
Hmm Is she SLI or ILI?
Some people i have trouble telling their type for whatever reason, but i think ILI or SLI are most probable. I have been kind of rating what i know about her:
Picks sports up quickly apparently SLI > ILI agree
paying her ILE brother out for his driving SLI > ILI I don't know about this. Why would that be more indicative of SLI?
Her facebook says she likes the Legend of Zelda ILI > SLI I know both SLIs and ILIs who enjoy video games
She hangs out with a gamma crowd i think (although there does seem to be a lack of deltas here) ILI > SLI Could be suggestive of ILI but could be SLI if its due to a lack of deltas
She was pretty good friends with an LSE here. SLI > ILI Suggests SLI as LSE is their mirror. The ILI is the supervisor for the LSE
Often in pictures shes doing the same smile, and jumping up in the air ILI >SLI? I can't imagine either of these types doing that
Said she is interested in the stockmarket ILI > SLI!!! I know an SLI who's very interested in investing. I associate interest in the stockmarket with :Te:, both the SLI and ILI have :Te: as their creative function.
I dunno.... One thing i have noticed is when we talk i do this quite rude thing of becomming uninterested every now and then. ILI > SLI?
I do the same kind of thing to my ESI mum. Shes quite intelligent and often our conversations do not perfectly gel. I haven't felt any duality really.
Based on this above paragraph, I'd also be more inclined to say ILI.
Still, i have a feeling shes a fan of me and i do like her. After compiling this post my instincts say that she is ILI. Damn it. :mad:. I am still not totally convinced. Any ideas on how to tell?
What appears to be her quadra values? Are they more gamma or delta-like? Don't just go by who she hangs out with? What appears to be her base function? Her role function? Which club description suits her best, ST or NT?
creative Te you mean. I know an SLI who loves Zelda and I know an SLI who is very interested in the stock market. He actually got me into it. And becoming bored .. well, you need to elaborate more on your interactions if you want any valuable feedback.
I don't want to come off rude, but none of these things are type related. I can admit that there are some common interests of people within a type to a certain percentage, but it's more of the WHY that indicates type rather than just having the interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by meatburger
These are better, but also not very good criteria. What I suggest is really concentrating on identifying :Ni: ways of thinking and seeing things, and :Si: ones. Because this is a difference in leading functions, their natural mode of living, or knee jerk observations, will be the most indicative, because the creative function is more of something people "use," while we "live" in our leading function and take it for granted almost.Quote:
Originally Posted by meatburger
Doesn't seem type related either, could be either you or her personally being boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by meatburger
Thanks for the replies. I will have to interract with her a little more and see what i find. I think she is comming to a party tonight so perhaps i will just kiss her. I have heard that ILI's taste like apples and SLI's like oranges so i think the taste test will be definitive.
While i was partially joking, i disagree at least partially for some of themQuote:
Originally Posted by look.to.the.sky
- ISTp's are better at sport in general than ILI's. They are more athletic. Plus ISTp's have a habit of knowing how to mimic other sporting players ive seen it before. I think its related to Si.
-Zelda yes probablly has nothing to do with it. From my experience though ILI's are more nerdy so thats where i got that from lol.
-Paying out her brother for driving i didn't elaborate on enough. She was paying him out because they are from Canada and he kept hitting the windscreen wipers in my car because he thought everything was opposite. She explained to me later that they are on the same side in Canada as Australia lol. While i think you are probablly right both would be quite aware of this it seemed to be more of a SLI conversation.
-Often in pictures shes doing the same smile, and jumping up in the air ILI. That is a funny one, and i agree not characteristic of either really. Its possible she isn't even one of these types lol.
- Interest in the stockmarket in general im sure could be both types. She actively wants to get into it to be a trader. From my experience though trading is a :Ni: + :Te: type of thing in general. Its often to do with what the market has done in the past and will do in the future. I know a number of ILI's who are into it but no SLI's as of yet so im just going by the themes ive seen previously. Thats how i use Ne, i dont focus on any one element, i try to see how they are all intertwined to form the whole.
Yeah i will try to do this. Shes just a hard one for me to pin down for some reason.Quote:
These are better, but also not very good criteria. What I suggest is really concentrating on identifying :Ni: ways of thinking and seeing things, and :Si: ones. Because this is a difference in leading functions, their natural mode of living, or knee jerk observations, will be the most indicative, because the creative function is more of something people "use," while we "live" in our leading function and take it for granted almost.
I cant really give an example of exactly the conversation this has happened. Its almost as if the way she is conveying the information to me is not having enough of an impact on me. Like she is kind of soft spoken so i zone out. Ive only just met her so i will look closer :tongue:Quote:
And becoming bored .. well, you need to elaborate more on your interactions if you want any valuable feedback.
I had a TeSi friend in high school, although I "bullied" him a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by meatburger
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Said she is interested in the stockmarket ILI > SLI!!!
It can be hard to tell SLI from ILI at first, but I think it unfolds fairly quickly.
A few months ago I somehow attracted tons of INTps. It was like, everyone I met, once I figured them out, they all were INTPs. Guys, girls, on sports teams, in dance classes -- they were everywhere. And each time I thought, "Oh! an ISTp!" And then I was of course wrong (don't get me wrong, I really like INTps too!)
The thing that tipped it off was that if I raised a topic, they'd tend to seem to be overcomplicating it. For instance, if I said "Well, mean people hurt people's feelings and that's bad." They might say, "What? We NEED mean people. They are vital for society." And then they'd go on to explain that with many, many logical points. The logical points would branch out like a tree, in many directions I didn't really want to go in. I would have probably been looking for an ISTp to sum everything up in one snide comment (that grounding affect). Or maybe a shorter discussion where they'd at least get that point before maybe debating it. anyway...
So I would suggest raising a topic and see if they sink deeper into the topic (maybe using specifics), making it narrower in a grounding, real way (ISTp-ish), or if they expand the topic into other things you may/may not care about.
Sidepoint -- I'm actually wondering about a new person I met today in a class -- either ISTp or INTp. Not my type, but he seems to be the don juan of this class. I only talked about surface level things, but am curious to see which he ends up being. I suspect INTp though.
I think he may be INTp based on one comment alone -- he kept saying it takes six months to fully grasp all the things we are learning (sounds a bit Ni). I never implied I was having trouble with it, and already took classes in the past (so some of it was review) and found that to be kinda annoying, as he didn't know my level w/ the info. I didn't really want a time line put on it, and kept thinking "shouldn't it be different for everyone?" I don't react well to Ni.
So I would use the Ni thing as a test to distinguish. And the tree branching idea thing also.
I totally agree. Im also interested in the stockmarket. I might give her my munny and get her to make me rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlord
Thanks Jewels i totally understand what you suggested there. That is the kind of information i have also been looking for aswell. If i look at it from that perspective she seems SLI. haha :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by jewels
The girl was ILI in the end. Suppose it wasn't too suprising. I personally think typing people based on relationships is very very effective. I seem to type people quickly and with very high accuracy this way. Its just harder if you cant observe them interacting with others who you have typed. It is also important to take into account how you personally feel during interaction with this person.
Still, this may not be as useful for other types. I think being a strong Fi type, the type of information i commonly look for is peoples relationships between each other and with me so im playing to my strengths.
I have a teacher that is definitely Te-creative and Fe-PoLR. He's a really good teacher and simplifies and tries to explain things with as much brevity and completeness as possible - chooses his actions and words very carefully. So he's really Te-creative.
He seems Si base because he's very taciturn and laconic and doesn't ever say anything other than what is pertinent to whatever it is we're doing. His stories are also very short and to the point, usually just as a means to contrast extreme emotions and differences between people. Contrast this with the ILI teacher I had last semester that would often make philosophical generalizations about the purpose of motivation of school and homework and study methods and Si-base just makes sense.
But he gives off this gaze that makes me think of a lion glaring at me when I talk to him. It's a little surprising at first. The ILI doesn't give off this. Is this glare more characteristic of Si base? I guess I've never noticed this in the SLI friend I have because I tend to be pretty comfortable around him, so it's easier for me and him to be silly, but on vague recollection at the moment I think he has this same gaze, but it's more relaxed, probably because we know each other.
So have anyone else experienced this??
I was thinking Ni leading would have more of an 'Se-presence' in their demeanor, but perhaps it's more of a 'passive observing nature' for Ni leading and more of an 'active observing nature' for Si leading that comes across like a lion's glare or gaze?
I don't know a variety of either type, but I've seen an SLI glare and I haven't seen an ILI glare.
Sensors land their eyes.
Intuitors look but don't see.
What exactly does that mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
Their eyes fix on something and hold it. :indifferent:Quote:
Originally Posted by MegaDoomer
:Se: - Tunnel Vision + BallisticQuote:
Originally Posted by MegaDoomer
:Ne: - Peripheral + Ballistic
:Si: - Tunnel Vision + Directed
:Ni: - Peripheral + Directed
Directed = Always tending toward one object / point(looking for one thing).
Ballastic = Always scanning the area(not knowing what to look for; seeing everything)
Tunnel Vision = Tending towards keeping eyes on the subject.
Peripheral = Tending towards straying eyes to the side - the wider view.
Nice description. Peripheral ballistics are nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
Since ballistics pertains to the trajectory of projectiles you'd more clearly describe visual scanning by calling it scanning, even though it sounds less hardcore. Alternately I'd suggest nutation, illustrated below.
Also, I'm an ILI who sometimes glares.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVKz9G3YXiw
Ne: Internal Abstract Statics of Objects
Se: External Involved Statics of Objects
Si: External Involved Dynamics of Fields
Ni: Internal Abstract Dynamics of Fields
Se Tunnel Vision + Ballistic
Ne - Peripheral + Ballistic
Si - Tunnel Vision+ Directed
Ni - Peripheral + Directed
Found correlation. :)
Awesome, thanks! That makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
I know :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Director Abbie
Grrrr, you had to post that.Quote:
Originally Posted by k0rpsey
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8...es/lecture-24/
So the gyroscope doesn't fall from the string because it creates a surrounding high pressure of air that keeps it in place, kind of like an airplane? And adding the weight makes the pressure on the weight side less so the axis tilts a little more toward the ground causing it to spin in the direction of the torque direction on the bottom of the wheel at the ground?
So the faster someone or a thing moves, the less the effects of gravity that the person or thing experiences? That would explain why planets gravitational forces don't cause each other to suck each other in, or at least if they do it's probably a really slow process that we can't really tell. Wouldn't that mean that the molecular makeup of the universe is dependent on rotation of individual objects to create their gravitational distances and that if time goes to infinity that all matter will collapse into one state of being? Unless I guess if everything is collapsing at the same rate, then everything would remain with constant relativity of gravitational distances between matter, but would get smaller like a sphere shrinking, but still being the same reality relative the sphere's perspective.
Nevermind...I'm going to bed.
:) i'm kinda Ne :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
I'm not very well contained as you can see from the way I scan the forum...that's how you know I have Ne in my ego block :) And how I know others don't.
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
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Originally Posted by Jarno
This is Tunnel vision / Peripheral vision or External Involved / Internal Abstract perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
On the OP:
If the guy usually has a distant view it's Ni. Looking at what's in front him would be a strain(Role Si) as there's a functional unconscious need to look far off.
As for Si, being Directed and "Near sighted" will show in him doing one thing after another. There's a functional need to finish the task in front of you before continuing, which means more just pile up in the queue.
I've found that from an external VI perspective, :Fi:-valuing eyes often look more tunneled/directed and :Fe:-valuing more ballistic/peripheral. I also think introverted + intuitive eyes look the most spacey, and extroverted + sensor eyes look the most aware.
Here are some examples of :Fi: vs :Fe::
Ni eyes (first two sections are gamma, last two beta)
Fe vs Fi eyes