Minimalist supervision descriptions
These are minimalist, non-PC descriptions of how a supervisor sees their supervisee:
ESFj on ISTp: "can't behave properly and never wants to do anything"
ENTp on ISTj: "logical but no imagination, no lateral thinking, would be lost without an instruction manual"
INTj on ENFp: "lots of crazy, inconsistent ideas, always on the move but in all directions"
ISFp on ENFj: "too restless and is all to no good purpose, at the same time is hopeless with real work"
ENFj on INTp: "has no idea what impression s/he's making on others, hopeless"
ESTp on INTj: "intelligent perhaps but no backbone and unfit for the real world"
ISTj on ESFp: "makes absolutely no sense, totally chaotic, a loose cannon"
INFp on ESFj: "says and does a lot without ever getting anywhere"
ENTj on INFp: "lots of lofty goals but clueless as to how to get there, lives in dream world"
ESFp on INFj: "too nice, no backbone, unfit for the real world"
ISFj on ESTp: "how can anyone trust them?"
INTp on ESTj: "rushes into doing things without knowing where to go"
ESTj on ISFp: "lazy and can't do anything right"
ENFp on ISFj: "set on their ways, without imagination, or always expecting the worst"
INFj on ENTp: "how can anyone trust them?"
ISTp on ENTj: "too restless and is all to no good purpose, at the same time is hopeless with real work"
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Very nice. Many of them seem accurate. I'm most critical about the INTp-ESTj because ESTjs DO get somewhere. They generally get anywhere they wish to go. Perhaps even more so than INTps. INTp-ESTj could be more related to INTp being critical of ESTjs rushing forward without quite understanding where they are going or where they should be going (and unfairly criticizing other people who don't follow them). Sort of lacking big picture view but still being overly confident of their direction. I'm not sure how to put it shortly and how much it conflicts with what you meant. I can see how the description fits better on INFp-ESFj than INTp-ESTj. INTp probably wouldn't criticize ESTj for talking too much but instead "doing too much too soon " or something. I might be wrong but this is my current impression.
Another point to add here that supervision seems better than its reputation (perhaps the name "supervision" has too negative sound to it). Supervision is actually one of the most common relations between the long term couples I know.
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INFj on ENTp: "how can anyone trust them?"
I absolutely agree.
Btw, it would be nice to read about descriptions of conflicting relations as well. :)
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ESTp on INTj: "intelligent perhaps but no backbone and unfit for the real world"
ESFp on INFj: "too nice, no backbone, unfit for the real world"
that's spot on. while the supervisor can be enthralled by some unique traits of their supervisee, they can accuse the supervisee of being naive, boring and having no real life (not exciting/not active) when pissed off. the ones i've observed are all young people.
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ESFj on ISTp: "can't behave properly and never wants to do anything"
Sounds accurate.
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Btw, it would be nice to read about descriptions of conflicting relations as well. :)
Yes please! :D :wink:
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INFj on ENTp: "how can anyone trust them?"
I absolutely agree.
Btw, it would be nice to read about descriptions of conflicting relations as well. :)
those of benefit wouldn't be useless either :wink:
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INFj on ENTp: "how can anyone trust them?"
I absolutely agree.
Btw, it would be nice to read about descriptions of conflicting relations as well. :)
those of benefit wouldn't be useless either :wink:
I can try, but conflicting relationships are much more difficult to describe in one sentence than supervision. The supervisee is someone whom you see as exposed to you: you believe you thoroughly understand where they are coming from and what they are trying to accomplish - and you see what they are doing wrong in your opinion. You don't feel like the supervisee has much to teach you.
The conflictor is more ambiguous, since you don't really understand where they are coming from, and you realize that they are more confident than you in many areas.
As for benefit -- that sounds almost as difficult. I will think about it.
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Expat, those are all really good. Supervision is pretty easy to notice IRL.
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ESFj on ISTp: "can't behave properly and never wants to do anything"
I've seen this one; you could refine it a little. Essentially "like a lump, completely unresponsive. Lazy."
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ILE>LSI: "Smart, but makes things way too complicated."
That's typical generic Alpha NT criticism. I say "you're making things way too complicated" as a matter of course.
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Anyway, I've found out that relationship of supervision are much less applicable when both parties have a certain degree of maturity. For example, most ESTps and ENTps I've met through college are far more responsible than their counterparts I used to meet everywhere. The supervision comes out as a "vibe" in those cases. I can't even explain what it is but I'm sure that all the people that have experienced it know.
IME the more mature someone is the more likely they are to avoid supervision relations in the first place, especially as the supervisee. It's an easy trap to fall into; I have trouble distinguishing ENFps and ESFjs. I also think people who like being the supervisor tend to be insecure and sensitive to criticism.
My ISTj mother has been married twice. Now she is engaged to an ESFp, and I think she was attracted to the relationship because it was not too challenging. It was a pretty difficult divorce, but now the relationship is starting to wear on them both. It turned out to be a worse move than she expected, because she is constantly stressed and he can't do anything to help.
My point: supervision bad. Also, spay or neuter your pets. Thank you.
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HAHAHA! a lump! LOL! I dunno. I don't think ISTps are as lazy as they are made to sound. It's more like a stereotype IMO. LOL, that was funny nonetheless.
It's not about their being lazy in an objective way, it's about their being perceived as such by ESFjs in this case.
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It seems fair to say that the criticisms of a Supervisor exaggerate the Supervisee's weakness, being perceptually magnified by the supervisor's innate giftedness.
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(INFj) emotionally overwrought, hypersensitively aware, and stirs up excessive psychic content in their environment;
Astralsilky (or anyone else who got it), Would you explain further what you mean by "stirs up excessive psychic content in their environment".
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(INFj) emotionally overwrought, hypersensitively aware, and stirs up excessive psychic content in their environment;
Astralsilky (or anyone else who got it), Would you explain further what you mean by "stirs up excessive psychic content in their environment".