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Originally Posted by MysticSonic
That quote alone is enough reason, and is one of the reasons, for me to believe that I could possibly be an INFp. As for my ability to demonstrate my concrete knowledge, I'm most certain that others are certainly aware, and I myself, that concrete knowledge is far from my forte. If Si would be my hidden agenda, then I would most certainly take upon myself the strategy of "hiding my Achillee's(SP) Heel", rather then exposing it as an attempt to coax others into believing that it is my "strong point." On the other hand, the inverse would seem to be true if I were an INFp. But in either case, both tendancies do no allow for a greater division between the INTp, INFp, and INTj models, as the INTp neither has Si as his strong point, nor Ti, although I could form a cojecture that my willingess to accept help and show to others my Si function would seem to point to the fact that it may be my role function, but this is also applicable to the INFp.
One way of differentiating between INTPs and INFPs could be to look at the ideal partner one would imagine. INTPs would typically want someone who is capable of cheering them up:
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Here's an arguement on whether or not murder is wrong. I believing this would be a good example of the INTp's pedantic nature.
"It's not merely a "bit" out of place, it's completely out of place. In the light of the belief of lack of meaning beyond the justification of our own built in emotional needs, such things as "rights" and whatnot are certainly subject to the same relativity as morals are, for that which you believe is your "right" is certainly not the case, and in fact, no two events are linked in such a way for you to "deserve" something, that's just an abstraction of the human intellect.
In fact, the human intellect is the case here. The intellect arose as a tool to cope with situations that are otherwise out of grips of one's instincts, yet there are certain instincts that are needed in order to maintain a sense of meaning, for if the intellect were to supercede emotions entirely, to eliminate our desires, there would no longer be reason for the intellect to function, thus allowing it to go to waste.
Now, as we evolved, we have evolved in such a way that would be most profitable to the genetic succesion of ourselves, yet the case may have it that murder is the case of the conflict between the genetically set instincts and the intellect and it's abstractions. The intellect is nothing more then a means to satisfy our desires, but the intellect is far weaker then needed, as our ability to discern which situation will be most profitable to us in the long-run is almost nill, thus we set up strict moral codes to stand-by. These codes are merely nothing but another abstract notion for the mind to concoct in order to satisfy these instincts, these desires, in a way that would be most profitable, and as stated earlier, the means for the intellect to survive are held within the emotions, thus eliminating them in order to see more clearly shall do no good, emotions must evolve with the intellect.
Rambling aside, the moral-code that deticts the immorality of murder is merely the intellect attempting to satisfy the moral needs in such a way that is most profitable, but then the ability of the intellect comes into play, and thus allows the self to make decision which are not benefiicial. This depiction of the human intellect is nothing more than an attempt to show to you how the human mind is flawed in it's thinking and thus can only concoct thoughts and ideas that are fit to meet their appearent needs, which are simply wants blown out of proportion, even those "needs" that are the most fundamental, such as hunger and thirst.
In conclusion, the human mind is performing a balancing act, so you can't expect it to truly see the truth in all it's light, do you? So how can you argue that which we percieve as right to be right? You alluded to the fact that no such right existed, but I thought I might as well clarify that it DOESN'T exist. "
Me acknowledging that I rambled a bit:
"It is true that the majority of that post could have been simplified to a form much more relevent to the issue, as I must admit, about half way through the post I felt like a Freudian, but how you seem to be addressing the issure still seems to be a bit misguided.
Now, right or wrong do not exist, as morals are relative. This relativity allows for no such things as fixed as a "right", for in order for these "rights" to be "rights" they must possess some sort of truth to them, which these "abstractions" simply do not. No matter what effects it may have on our society, murder is not, and never will be, more then an act commited by an organism in an attempt to satisfy their desires, and neither will the moral-code of murder being wrong be anything more then an abstraction of the human mind to control society in order to make it more productive.
I would like you to attempt to prove to me how truth can arise out of relativity, I really would."
Of course, the rambling was merely an attempt to show the person who I was arguing with what subconscious fears would be present that would stop him from acknowledging such a truth, but I think I may have went a bit overboard...
Just reading this conversation gave me me the impression that your type is more likely INTP than INTJ. This is of course just a subjective assesment largely based on generalizing from few people I know well.