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Most likely yes.
I haven't been officially diagnosed or anything. But I'm pretty sure I have social anxiety, and avoidant personality disorder (but that's a stretch, I can't claim a personality disorder). And you know, all the issues that come with social anxiety.
I've read online about social anxiety and it does connect with my experoences in life. I was a shy child and as I because closer to being a teenager, it became social anxiety.
I dont feel I was bullied, or abused but everything else adds up.
Well I've dealt with it for most of my life by avoiding people. At some point I was forced to be around people and the symptoms got less severe after a while but it didnt actually go away.
So my way of dealing with it definitely isn't healthy. I just avoid whatever causes it to act up.
Generally no, but if I spend too much time alone (like sometimes happens during COVID times) I get low-key depressed.
Similarly to what Luna said, I haven’t been officially diagnosed but everything adds up in regard to me having dermatillomania, unfortunately. I deal with it by trying (and failing) to stop, I guess; unlike with most mental health issues, it manifests physically and I could stop the outward symptoms at any time if I could muster the self-control. In the mean time, I try to hide the evidence by caking makeup onto my face.
I experience a significant amount of anxiousness in some social situations—more frequently and intensely than I suspect is typical—but I don’t know if I would technically meet the diagnostic requirements of social anxiety. I’m probably just more shy than average.
I don't think there's generally a clear boundary between "mental health problems" and a personality. Framing everything as a "mental health" concern pathologizes simply being human; e.g. depression is now seen as an "illness;" something that shouldn't be there, rather than a legitimate and often rational response to certain conditions. Everyone has mental health problems by this standard (which is a good thing for the burgeoning "mental health" industry, but not I think a useful way to think). A better title for this thread IMO would be something like "what is the darker side of you like?"
Anyone who is interested in typology has a mental health issue.
yeah i was diagnosed with major depression, seasonal affective disorder, and both generalized + social anxiety in the years of me being 10-12. both of my parents have been diagnosed with adhd so i probably have that as well or instead idk. as for how i deal with it, i’ve been on medication since elementary school and i’ve tried therapy off and on. otherwise i warn the people i’m close to about my symptoms and always have an open dialogue with them so that i can take any accountability in case i am irritable and snap or get anxious/depressed and disappear etc. sometimes it happens that we talk about it and decide that my instability would be too much for them in their life and that’s okay too. i don’t know it’s all about transparency i think
My thoughts can get too dark. It's kind of part of me being a IEI-C I think. But the thing with 'mental health problem' is it tends to overly be a Te/Fi value judgement thing. Being caught up in the system as an adolescent with Deltard social workers- I can firmly attest to the truthness of this. Some of them thought I was normal and fine, others thought I was evil incarnate etc or more mentally fucked up than I really was- they just got a self-righteous high thinking they were 'more closer to God' than I was. Most people who judge "mental health" don't really care how healthy you are or not they just want everybody to be a normie Chad or Stacy type person and they can be cruel with you if you aren't a completely average enneagram 3 type of person. The DSM is mostly about a tool for social control- and that chinese proverb about the most tallest unruly nail getting hit the hardest with the Te hammer. This isn't all bad or anything, society by it's necessary design is against the individual. As an IEI tho I have a natural soft spot for the misfit weirdos with magical powers in life compared to Nurse Ratched or Umbridges etc. The line between Genius and Illness can be a thin one!
To me mental health isn't so Fi like that- more like there needs to be more truly objective critiera not a bunch of Deltards psychoanalyzing you and deciding they don't like you because your ethics or values aren't in alignment with what they think they should be etc. This doesn't mean that we allow people to be mentally fucked up or sad- as that obviously leads to bad problems, but that from my Fe/Ti perspective it needs to have better objective logical criteria. Like obviously people chopping up bodies and using them as spices on their dinners would be considered mentally ill- but the people who do that, obviously feel justified themselves.
I'm nuts lol
thats a really dark thoughtttt and im not sure if u mean this society in particular or any society would be implicitly by being a society.Quote:
This isn't all bad or anything, society by it's necessary design is against the individual.
source of my mental health problems is that society is self deceiving. they scapegoat someone when there needs to be a sacrifice to lie to themselvse to feel gooda bout abusing someone. this all comes from a mentality of self gratification instead of self sacrifice for the sake of someone else, the latter of which are the people that get sacrificed. the problem is tht they are not sacrificed to someone who cares about them, and this often translates into the sacrifices having been unnecessary and avoidable in the first place, but someone's immediate pleasure was more important than thinking about how they affect someone else. people are not fundamentally selfish, but the ones who are are the ones who take over and replace the others. live my life to fight but for what, to make it about controlling people like this from exploiting someone whcih fundamentally ruins my life by making it a bout controlling someone else.
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Originally Posted by MorrisBB
I'm diagnosed with some shit I do not have, which I've had to deal with since 2012. It's part of what it means to be a "targeted individual". I have tried to solve the source of the problem, but I guess it's justo a too difficult endeavor, and I'd prefer to not get killed, since I don't believe the "better to die on your feet than live on your knees" saying, because as long as you are alive, there is always hope, and I know so much at this point, that on the macro level things don't make much sense and I just don't care anymore.
I have had anxiety since I was 15, unfortunately it's genetic. I probably also have dysthymia, though I have never been diagnosed. I have had 3 other family members with anxious/OCD symptoms, to the point medication was necessary.
I sometimes see reality too clearly.
Fortunately, there are drugs for that.
I remember I also avoided people when I was younger because I was terrified of rejection/criticism. It seems to have evolved into some schizoid-like nullness where I don't feel anxiety or emotional bonds anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luna Lovegood
No I’m completely sane and healthy I swear!! You have to believe me
Read my posts and you be the judge. With philosophy and religion.
That's only a "patch". Mental health issues are only fixed permanently by psychotherapy. If I may ask, what is it that you are diagnosed with?Quote:
Originally Posted by one
Do you have any childhood trauma (as far as you can recall)?Quote:
Originally Posted by one
Sometimes the person doesn't remember (it became a repressed memory in the subconscious). Those kind of things are most commonly the cause of mental health problems. If this is your case, maybe you'll remember someday if for example you fall in love and experience very strong emotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by one
From a different angle, I think at her age, having some mental issues is pretty normal. Don't even need a serious reason, your mental just need something to struggle and step up, and develop the "self".Quote:
Originally Posted by roger557
I've had mental problems almost all my life. I would think I had first malfunctions in early-to-mid childhood, and when I was in early high school I got diagnosed with depression. It was an on-and-off thing but it was such a huge part of my life now I see my depressive episodes as an integral part of my personality, which probably isn't healthy, but that's how I roll.
Also, in 2015 I got diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. I got a few psychotic breaks in my life when I have increased anxiety and delusions and other typical positive symptoms, but on meds I'm quite alright, even though I had to work super hard to get back what I lost during my illness. I'm pretty sure I can say nowadays, when it comes to my mental state I'm quite similar to what I've been before the illness, even though it changed my life completely and now I know I will never get my old self back, which caused me a few periods of mourning and sadness. Anyway, the worst has passed - I believe the hardest part was to quit the psychotic state and re-learn the world and your own psychology and stuff from scratch, because the moment your first antipsychotic medication hits, you're a shell of a person and you have to be in therapy to work it all through. I'm glad I'm out of that period, because it was truly hell on Earth.
Alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by one
That is an entirely different question, and mental health problems are not simply a “darker side” of people. However, it might be helpful if what kind of “mental health” OP wants to know about was specified—as in, whether they're asking about clinical problems or general mental health levels. Psychology is well aware that some things are non-clinical and doesn't treat everything as though it is clinical. Psychology is aware that some things are normal/understandable responses to situations, AKA situational depression, grieving, etc. The first thing many professionals will ask about when you mention depression is whether your life is structured or not. "Do you have a job?" "Do you go to bed at a regular time?" "Do you have a sense of purpose in your life?" Not every kind of depression is clinical or "unjustified," but it's still less than optimal/desirable, and is still something that can and should be worked past. Things are only considered to be a disorder when they are severe enough to interfere with everyday life because they are so extreme/intense/intrusive. Psychology is a science (not a pseudoscience such as typology that you seem to be even more trusting of than a science) that has investigated what distinguishes those levels. I don't mean this in an offensive way, my intention is purely informative when I say this, but to someone who is educated about mental health topics, your post just seems like the average misunderstandings about the mental health field that those who aren't knowledgeable about it have. If you understood mental health topics, you would understand how it addresses these nuances. In other words..."I don't think there's generally a clear boundary between 'mental health problems' and a personality." — that unclear boundary is in your own mind, not in the actual psychology field. The psychology field has studied this ad nauseam. If you learned about the mental health industry, you would better understand those boundaries (because the mental health industry does, it's just that, that is not the impression you have of it because you haven't yet acquired more knowledge about it).Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
Really? From what I've read this is a problem many psychiatrists have raised concerns about. Firstly, I'll grant that some conditions seem clearly to be the result of something going physically wrong in the brain that can't be traced back to anything a patient might have experienced. But even in these situations, a person is their mind. It's generally difficult to distinguish a "condition" like this from who someone is, because the mind for all intents and purposes is what we consider a human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuroplasticity
But then take the example of ADHD or ADD. Why is it assumed that these is, in fact, "disorders?" How would you distinguish them from a personality trait? If your criterion is that they make it difficult for someone to perform well in society, why don't we just consider being SEI a mental illness?
The questions I mentioned are philosophical, and cannot be answered by the kind of "science" you're talking about. Modern psychology has mostly dispensed with philosophical inquiry in favor of measuring exclusively observable reality. Take the examples you mentioned. Rather than investigating the reason why someone's life is unstructured, the solution is simply to restructure life. If a patient's life is unstructured because their depression has demonstrated to them a need to investigate existential questions they had previously left unconsidered, the psychologist's advice is to brush those problems aside and simply focus on their material life, neglecting their spiritual one. From the psychologist's perspective they've done their work well; the patient is no longer depressed. But the patient is left spiritually impoverished.Quote:
Psychology is aware that some things are normal/understandable responses to situations, AKA situational depression, grieving, etc. The first thing many professionals will ask about when you mention depression is whether your life is structured or not. "Do you have a job?" "Do you go to bed at a regular time?" "Do you have a sense of purpose in your life?" Not every kind of depression is clinical or "unjustified," but it's still less than optimal/desirable, and is still something that can and should be worked past. Things are only considered to be a disorder when they are severe enough to interfere with everyday life because they are so extreme/intense/intrusive. Psychology is a science (not a pseudoscience such as typology that you seem to be even more trusting of than a science) that has investigated what distinguishes those levels.
We don't understand our natures well enough to justify the assumptions implicit in advice of this kind. We don't know enough to say that depression is necessarily harmful; we can't say that it should be "cured;" made to go away, as it's usually treated. That's why a psychologist should work with humility, remember the patient's individuality, and try both to understand and work with the patient to approach their problems rather than preach at them or impose a dogmatic formula.
What exactly have you read? It is a question many people have, but it ultimately seems directed toward the professionals who are bad at what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
Research it if you want to know the answer to that. I say that because it's not a simple one post kind of answer. There is a ton of information in response. Look up more information about peoples' experiences, that may help you better understand what distinguishes normalcy from a disorder. The short answer, though: your personality traits don't get you fired from jobs, ADHD can.
It's funny, ADHD is one of the most debated, and yet one of the disorders with the most research and evidence (including neurological).
That's actually untrue as well. A lot of psychology originates as theory/philosophy, but is further researched, with empirical data collected, etc. and then it becomes accepted as a science. The field involves a lot of theory, which is much of why I am able to recognize how important theory is (despite the fact that I can't fucking stand working with it myself, haha).Quote:
The questions I mentioned are philosophical, and cannot be answered by the kind of "science" you're talking about. Modern psychology has mostly dispensed with philosophical inquiry in favor of measuring exclusively observable reality.
This is fallacious. Asking whether or not it's unstructured is not intrinsically the same thing as neglecting to ask why it's unstructured. In practice, during therapy sessions, the reasons why it's unstructured would probably almost always be covered, as it's often impossible to resolve a problem without understanding why it's there.Quote:
Take the examples you mentioned. Rather than investigating the reason why someone's life is unstructured, the solution is simply to restructure life.
This is also a fallacious argument. Your statement A) Suggests that in order to investigate existential questions, the person's life MUST be unstructured; B) Assumes the psychologist's resolution would be to brush that aside; C) The end result would be to neglect the spiritual life.Quote:
If a patient's life is unstructured because their depression has demonstrated to them a need to investigate existential questions they had previously left unconsidered, the psychologist's advice is to brush those problems aside and simply focus on their material life, neglecting their spiritual one. From the psychologist's perspective they've done their work well; the patient is no longer depressed. But the patient is left spiritually impoverished.
When I read this, the first thing that comes to mind is that, if the "spiritual life" is interfering with the material one, it would indicate that there is an imbalance between the time delegated to the material/spiritual. That would be, if anything, all the more reason why the structure would be needed, as it would allow the patient to delegate time to both of them without it creating depression issues in their life.
A more accurate statement would be that you don't know, not that we (humans) don't know, as there is a knowledge base that has a much better idea of it than you do. Again, your points expose that you're simply misunderstanding because you're not educated about this topic. There are many things that have room for improvement in the field, and no shortage of "professionals" that are bad at what they do, unfortunately, but the mental health field itself is not unable to give adequate responses for your skepticism.Quote:
We don't understand our natures well enough to justify the assumptions implicit in advice of this kind. We don't know enough to say that depression is necessarily harmful; we can't say that it should be "cured;" made to go away, as it's usually treated. That's why a psychologist should work with humility, remember the patient's individuality, and try both to understand and work with the patient to approach their problems rather than preach at them or impose a dogmatic formula.
Yes.
I come from a family tree with several generations of abuse, and that has compelled me to conduct thorough research into the psychological field for the purpose of self-improvement and sheer curiosity about the unhealthy people I've experienced. I was also a psychology major prior to the abuse interfering with my formal education. (I worked my way into a different career/self-employment instead due to this.) Everyone tells me I should write a book about my life when I share what kinds of experiences I've had. If you know anything about psychology, you likely are aware of how exposure to these kinds of environmental situations tends to cause both mental and physical health problems later in life. Many disorders are epigenetic, meaning, there are dormant genetic susceptibilities that become activated by exposure to certain types of (traumatic) environments. Without those environments, those otherwise dormant disorder vulnerabilities would often never manifest themselves.
Several family members have untreated disorders, such as NPD (one malignant, one covert), Munchhausen's Syndrome, and ADHD. NPD is not genetic, and it's something that forms during developmental years only. Scapegoats are less likely to become narcissists themselves, which is what I was. My brother was more favored and took on some narcissistic traits, but doesn't have NPD. My father's malignant narcissism (which is basically narcissism with traits of psychopathy) has been identified/confirmed by multiple professionals now. I myself have bipolar (the first in my family, which means it's probably caused by the aforementioned environmental factors) and "Inattentive ADHD," which is the updated term for what was formerly known as ADD during the 90's. I was originally diagnosed with ADHD when I was 7, and rediagnosed at age 24. (Since many patients outgrow ADHD, continuing treatment during adulthood requires rediagnosis.) I also have C-PTSD pertaining to multiple types of trauma (flashbacks as though I'm reliving things in the present, etc). I am currently undergoing treatments for everything, and the bipolar symptoms are nonexistent as long as I am on medication.
In the past, I have had several debates with people who were critical of the psychology/psychiatry field(s). During one of these debates, I explained what my personal experiences with bipolar are like. I'll add that here for educational purposes. I am not going to spend time editing it, so bear with the fact that it is still written in the way it was written for its particular context. (In other words, this was a response to what someone else was arguing, but please ignore that aspect of it. This section is just there for the more educational components of it.)
What you're describing is called Dissociative Amnesia, and all it really indicates is that there was trauma. It doesn't necessarily indicate that there is any PTSD or C-PTSD, which would be the only mental health problems associated with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by roger557
EDIT (Just adding more of my thoughts):
Trauma can, and often does, cause mental health problems, and there is something called ACE which is a measurement of the LIKELIHOOD (no guarantee) that a person will experience traumatic injuries (mental health disorders) as a result of their experiences. Certain factors, such as HSP, can also cause more vulnerability to trauma (although this sensitivity is linked with both negatives and positives, and they also tend to thrive better in positive environments...which has some interesting relations to studies on neuroplasticity). However, whether or not something causes such injuries has no relevance to whether or not it is recalled. Those who don't show signs of mental health injury usually suffer from more physical health problems instead, though.
In rare cases, the dissociative amnesia pertains to Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), which is where the conscious splits off into separate personalities with separate memory holders as a maladaptive coping mechanism for traumatic injury. However, the existence of this is controversial even amongst professionals, and it isn't proven to be a real phenomenon. Some even argue that the therapy intended to help patients actually creates some of the symptoms. Some also argue that it is a part of BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) rather than its own disorder. However, both of these manifest in ways that interfere with daily life, so they would be apparent regardless of (and even partially because of) the presence of dissociative amnesia.
Incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuroplasticity
I know what I have experienced, and this is that there is a whole bunch of people running around that have some heavy trauma from their childhood repressed. This is the real cause that society seems a zombi cemetery, with people that move around like automatons. Until they remember the trauma, they cannot heal, and they are "proto-persons" (they live dissociated). Sometimes only the emotion associated with the trauma can be recalled; in that case the emotion has to be felt, processed, and accepted. Some people remember it partially, and these are the ones that get labeled "bipolar", "schizophrenic" or "borderline", etc. Some un-repress the trauma thanks to a life experience such as a romance, get circumstantially psychotic (or randomly also, it seems the subconcious chooses the most opportune moment to bring it forward. Alcohol seems to help too), get put on meds by a psychiatrist, and never heal. This is just but a morsel of the truth.Quote:
EDIT (Just adding more of my thoughts):
Trauma can, and often does, cause mental health problems, and there is something called ACE which is a measurement of the LIKELIHOOD (no guarantee) that a person will experience traumatic injuries (mental health disorders) as a result of their experiences. Certain factors, such as HSP, can also cause more vulnerability to trauma (although this sensitivity is linked with both negatives and positives, and they also tend to thrive better in positive environments...which has some interesting relations to studies on neuroplasticity). However, whether or not something causes such injuries has no relevance to whether or not it is recalled. Those who don't show signs of mental health injury usually suffer from more physical health problems instead, though.
In rare cases, the dissociative amnesia pertains to Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), which is where the conscious splits off into separate personalities with separate memory holders as a maladaptive coping mechanism for traumatic injury. However, the existence of this is controversial even amongst professionals, and it isn't proven to be a real phenomenon. Some even argue that the therapy intended to help patients actually creates some of the symptoms.
I’ve been formally diagnosed with OCD, Anxiety, Major Depression, and ADHD
I told my therapist about my mom and she agreed with me that she had some pretty bad OCD/anxiety issues. My mother lost a son before I was born. He was only 9 months old and born with Down syndrome, but he died from meningitis. Mom believed he got it from a kid at a dr’s appt.
I don’t know exactly how mom was before, but I could see I her eyes she always had that sad neurotic look. But after losing a kid, she got pregnant with me unexpectedly. My mom was a very anxious high energy person. I seriously think all the tension from being in the womb and hovering over me as a baby (she told me she would often check in tehbnide of the people night to see if I was breathing) really rubbed off on me. And maybe I inherited some of this OCD genetically, or it was just ingrained by behaviors of my mother.
I also had an uncle die when I was 6? I think. He used to come and target shoot behind my grandparents house and I’d hide under the bed because the noise scared me so bad and he would come in and get me and tell me it was ok.
well one day he came in, and I hid from him, because I didn’t want to be tickled. I saw him drink straight from a milk carton and leave. A few hours later the hospital called and I answered. The asked for my grandma and I remember sitting there watching her cry. My uncle had been shot in the head and died.
I think this situation of being told it was alright and it ended up not being alright kinda screwed me up. Not to mention all the morbid details my family went into about the whole situation right in front of me. It might have been the catalyst of my obsession with spirituality and the afterlife. I had extremely disturbing and gory nightmares as a child. And I think all this made me more used to the darker side of life, it became familiar and I didn’t shy from it. it shaped who I am today prob. And I think, along with some genetic predisposition, it prob made me more susceptible to certain mental health problems
Everyone, even my therapist who's supposed to like me, thinks I'm crazy.
I don't have disorders; just a general sense of malaise around being a sane person in a world that is anything but.
Why do they?Quote:
Originally Posted by xerx
Why do you think your therapist is supposed to like you?Quote:
Originally Posted by xerx
I was diagnosed with schizophrenia and it's...I don't know. I started hearing and seeing what looked like movie clips of soldiers life and deaths. It is like watching short glimpses of movies. There is one constant voice that sounds like a crowd of people when he talks and he says he's an angel. I'm very close to him and he holds me while I fall asleep. He is one of the soldiers that died.
I have visions.. I guess that's my brand of schizophrenia.
Yes, I do: Bipolar, ADHD, Autism, BPD
Highly likely NPD as well since I have many pervasive traits. “Vunerable cerebral narcissism” would probably be a bullseye for me, but that’s an unofficial take.
It’s extremely isolating. I have always been around people who have either outright denied me having these conditions or denied the severity of them, so I try to care for myself by my lonesome and without treatment. My life has a marked pattern of dreadful loneliness which has only served to exacerbate these problems. People with any of these conditions are often viewed as problematic or sometimes monstrous to some extent, so I try to do the prosocial thing and keep all of my issues contained to myself so I don’t ruin things or hurt people, but this self-directed approach just makes me weary. My experience has taught me that I live in a dog-eat-dog world where if you manage to be top dog or if you manage to connect with or manipulate the other dogs, you win and can live selfishly contented ever after. But I continue to ravenously devour my own tail for nourishment, because I have only ever been able to look to my own ass for support.
It’s my own lack of will to be a downright evil son of a bitch that keeps me groveling in the dirt. My unfaltering attempts to be a good and loving influence in people’s lives keeps destroying me because other people seem to be allergic to it. I wonder more and more if I am just being piously self-righteous, and that maybe being a rat bastard is the only way to persevere, but…. that just doesn’t seem right.
If I could find a place of love and belonging, which I believe I am apt to accept, maybe my mental health “problems” wouldn’t be so problematic.
Also, I think a lot of what I said aligns with the beta quadra complex. Interesting.
Who doesn’t?
I’m sure plenty such people exist, but you are less likely to bump into them on a forum about a psychological/informational system which is most commonly used for self-awareness and personal growth.Quote:
Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18
That's a morsel of your belief, more accurately. None of that is scientific, and in fact, there's a lot of empirical data that offers quite different explanations than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by roger557
Alcohol tends to overall worsen psychotic symptoms, btw. So does marijuana.
I would be able to tell you don't have NPD without you saying it's an unofficial take, based on the bolded alone. Narcissists view people as objects and have what is called "cold empathy," which you can just Google if you're interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djinn
Why do they deny it? Are you self-diagnosing the rest?Quote:
It’s extremely isolating. I have always been around people who have either outright denied me having these conditions or denied the severity of them, so I try to care for myself by my lonesome and without treatment.
I'm not trying to add to the invalidation you feel, just wondering why it's happening. People can be idiots about mental health as well (in fact, the vast majority of people are). I've dealt with shit like this, too. It's nothing personal against you, nor me, nor anyone else...mental illness is just very stigmatized. Someone told me I don't have bipolar "because those people are batshit crazy." I'm formally diagnosed and am successfully being treated by bipolar medication to the point of being symptom free (or, in other words, the fact that bipolar treatment works just confirms I actually have bipolar, lol), so it makes no sense to argue that. That was coming from someone who thought I didn't know what "self-esteem" means because I responded to a comment made about low self-esteem, "I know quite a bit about psychology." She doesn't even know enough to realize self-esteem is part of what the field covers. That's the #1 common denominator in every person I've encountered that is critical of the psychology field as a whole and/or stigmatizes mental illness: their knowledge base about it is founded on stereotypes, rumors, biases, and beliefs they never bothered to confirm with science before accepting them. In other words...knowledge deficits.
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Btw, autistic people have heightened affective empathy, but lack cognitive empathy (thus the difficulties with fitting in and understanding social dynamics); NPD has cognitive empathy, but lacks affective empathy (thus why they see people as objects).
I have dementia
I am more at risk due to genetics and repeated trauma. I take an SSRI which keeps things under control. I am probably neurodivergent but as far as mental health problems, I don't really see that as a permanent condition as much as something someone might deal with, get help, get better, and get on with it (life).
You know, some people make their own opinion of things instead of parroting the "scientific data" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuroplasticity
Yes, I have mental health probems. But I don't go with the psychiatric diagnoses as much as I just like to say I'm mentally unstable and sometimes very non-linear in thought. I think the NEO FFM or whatever it's called is better than the DSM. The DSM is really one of the world's worst diagnostic manuals IMO and the tool in assessing (or attempting to assess) thoughts that should be the most examined, analyzed the fuck out of really and diagnoses from it not believed in or at least questioned just because it's popular (like how "OMG, I think that guy acts so ADHD"... calling people ADHD or even bipolar has become a cliche sorry I couldn't do the mark over the e) or because a doctor said you had that disorder. And even if you believe in the DSM diagnoses, they should maybe be thought of as having advantages, not just being disorders. For example, being hyper under ADHD is a good thing... that's better than being lethargic, people are usually attracted to more active people. Having Histrionic Personality Disorder most likely means you have well above average social skills and that you have ability to adapt, that you've developed tools. If you have HPD without Narcissistic PD, then if you go to a place with ugly architecture but you're a non-judgmental person (you would think attention from anyone is good, you want everyone to love you), you'll be focused on and able to attract the people around while not being bothered much by the location, it's ugly architecture.
Anyway, more on topic about my mental health problems... extreme neuroticism and feeling like i've lost touch with reality is not easy especially when I'm not only a logical type but have logic as my base function. I still can't decide for certain if I'm LSI-Ti or LSE, but I've ruled out all other types. I lean towards being LSI-Ti, but my thoughts have never been organized and i don't feel like Ti is working for me (and especially not Te), but Se works for me somewhat well, but then my mom doesn't pick up on how strong willed a person which would go against Ausra Augusta definition of Ti. And a big question is... do LSEs of either subtype live in their heads and be constantly introspective? is it possible for them completely live inside their heads and ignore the outside world for so long? Are LSEs ever fine with not being in charge like I've usually been fine with not being in charge? I know that neither LSI-Ti nor LSE is very self-controlled; i uncontrollably explode like an Ej is said to do, but a lot of that is due to drugs; it sounded like Dr. Dre uncontrollably exploded and he's an LSI-Se and they're more controlled than LSI-Ti.
There were times in my life when my behavior resembled Judge Claude Frollo's courting behavior from Disney's the Hunchback of Notre Dame really, although unlike that most feminine and darkest one of all the Disney villains i never thought of hyper-sexuality as a sin and I was both physical/sexual and emotional in attraction, although still more physical/sexual, about 70-30. Judge Claude Frollo was an LSI, although one who was far less sympathetic to smart, independent women and women who disobeyed one of us than I am and most LSI are.
Honest answer?
I struggle with mental health issues. I’ve talked about them on here. Most people don’t really realize the extent of it until they are close to me. I don’t mind causally mentioning it cause I’m not afraid to say that I struggle. However, the extent of it is much darker then I like to admit. I’m severely critical of myself and struggle with depression, social anxiety and chronic low self esteem. I don’t like people getting close to me in the thick of it. I feel like a crab in a bucket and I don’t want to drag someone in. So I just isolate myself.
Ive learned to cope for the most part. Stress and life events can make it worse. When I make a mistake, I feel the need to intensely criticize myself..sometimes to the point of tears. It’s the only way I know how to cope at times, attacking myself.
Things are going to get better. I’m getting help and am making steps. I think the mail goal is improving my self esteem. I hope to be more secure in my esteem In the future.
As for possibly being a narcissist: I dunno, all of the supporting and contradicting evidence is pretty convoluted. I definitely exhibit a lot of the traits internally. Within the family I was raised, I was referred to as a narcissist (which fair enough, to a great extent, was probably them projecting onto me) and in my genetic family (not the one I was raised in) there is an extreme prevalence of NPD (among other things). It's also worth noting that I went on a spiritual journey a few years ago which left me with a unique perspective on things like life and love etc. which has affected how I view and handle my mental conditions. It has definitely stumped my disorderly egoic preoccupations, and I don't know if it would make sense or if I could easily explain it to somebody who has not experienced it themselves. Prosocial psychopaths exist, so is there any reason prosocial narcissists couldn't? I still am not sure if I can genuinely love others and I do tend to "use" people, but I don't want to stop trying to honestly love because I think I am capable of it deep down. Maybe I just love differently, although in a way no less valid? Lol, on a side note, I had come up with a silly philosophy for narcissism that a narcissist could live a fulfilling life by being superior (since superiority is something they want) to other narcissists by not being a shitty person, i.e. a typical narcissist.Quote:
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Buuuut, it's hard to ignore what you point out here. It definitely makes me think...
And no, I didn't self-diagnose. Well, except for one of the conditions I mentioned (autism), but funnily enough, that's the only condition everybody agrees on me having! And the self-diagnostic process wasn't a typical one at all. It took 7 years of studying and successive revelation with the help of psychologists, other autistic people, and other people familiar with autism before I finally realized I am. It's practically not even a self-diagnosis, lol. Hell, there should have been red flags when I was befriending only the autistic kids at school and I learned I have a genetic history of it. But yeah, I believe some people deny me having conditions I have been diagnosed with because they are too cowardly to accept that their selfish ideas of me don't align with reality. That includes realizing all of the negative things that they think of and feel for me may not have justification, just like their cognitive dissonance and destructive attitudes.
Regarding empathy, I dunno, that's kind of complicated. I generally seem to have better cognitive empathy than most autistic people (it's still a fucking exhausting and often emotionally taxing mental exercise though), and my affective empathy can be... dodgy. Yes, my affective empathy is quite strong when I feel it, but it often feels invasive and I don't always feel it when others think I should. This topic isn't really my expertise though. I'm especially curious as to what thoughts you have on comorbidity of the conditions I listed.
Yeah and technically, going by what psychology says it’s “severe,” but seeing what I have on the psychiatric ICU…I always had a feeling anyway…it’s by no means the most extreme. I’m able to be pretty functional.
and diagnosed, during my worst/most symptomatic period. But I related to the disorders as a teen.
Depends on who you ask...
No and I feel like the odd man out here with all the nutjobs.
I had a very difficult childhood, and it negatively affected my mental health. I also had problems with physical health, and I turned to psychotherapists and therapists. Now almost every inhabitant of the planet has mental health problems. And everyone has their method of treatment. For example, ayurveda helped me a lot. After such treatment, I became interested in Buddhist practices and yoga and could finally live a full life. But everyone has their recipe for healing.
I suffer from severe depression and anxiety.
I'm taking medication for it and I just found a therapist who I think is going to be a good fit.
I just realized I have had depression since I was 3 years old.
My menta health is currently the best it's been since I was a toddler.
This thread makes me wonder how many people try and treat themselves using Socionics.
Yes, though I only ever realized the true extent of my issues after falling in love with someone who saw the real me. Along with Autism I have severe dissociative amnesia from either BPD, C-PTSD, or drug abuse, or all of the above; Panic disorder, general anxiety disorder, and an overarching apathy about everything that seems to be uplifted by 150-225mg of Venlafaxine a day.
Makes sense. I think people should really just use any typology as a benchmark for where they are in life.Quote:
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Yup, most of them stem from my poorly developed prefrontal cortex
One of those guys diagnosed with problems, but if I'm managing it well, I don't. Someone tried to break me recently, but like I'm good right now.
I have bipolar, which means that every once in a while I go completely nuts and do a whole lot of things that are severely embarrassing afterwards. The first time it happened, I went outside barefoot in the middle of winter and apparently scared one of my neighbors by walking up to her and staring at her before going back into my house. She was so alarmed that she actually called the police. When the policeman came to my house, which was after my mother had gotten there, I made him and and my mother hold my hands and wouldn't let go of them until my friend pushed me into my mom's car. When I got to the hospital, the same friend had to shove me into a wheelchair before I went on a ride through the hospital, looking about as good as I could after going nearly a week without a shower or a bath.
@Alomoes, you seem pretty emotionally stable to me.Quote:
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I had a friend who was bipolar. He was a brilliant guy, ILI, I'd say. He, also, did some very unusual things. When he'd find himself doing things which most people don't do, he'd call his shrink and the shrink would drive him to the hospital.
Most of the time, he was completely normal, but every once in a while his medicine dose would be off a bit from what he needed and he'd go slightly off the rails.
He was one of the smartest guys I knew. Set the grade curve at the university, started several companies, got fairly wealthy, but he couldn't convince an SEE to marry him. I think that was the thing that bothered him the most.
evidently I have bipolar 2…but I don’t get the psychosis where I act weird and funny. That’s more Bipolar 1. Bipolar 2 people spend most of the time depressed. Basically I become hyper and disinhibited like a drunk person (think making lots of friends, verbal diarrhea, spending money I don’t have, and drinking excessively + doing drugs…YOLO), then I always crash and hide from everyone, don’t want to answer my phone, hate myself and want to die. Wash and repeat. But Most of the time anymore, I feel like a recluse whose bobbing between the line of depression, ‘ok-ness’ and sometimes lower, into mid depression. It’s more complicated than that, really, but I’m just trying to get idea a crossed lol