Autistm, neruodivergence and your experiences. Also for neurotypical's experiences of autism

Again I think woe is me can be manipulative because it’s a call for help from duals or some people who like victimy qualities. Maybe ILIs enjoy the attention, but it starts first from the victimy feels lol. Basically ILIs really are like that. It could give them good or bad attention or none at all but either way the ILI would still have the woe is me mentality

ILI cannot read people -> see patterns, any hint of bad would be used to consider someone an enemy. It’s all in the place of defensiveness and scare. Good thing you mentioned this because I’m in a specific situation like atm and I realized I’ve destroyed the bridge just because of the same reason. It’s always like that though: Any small event that ILI cannot read: The person’s bad!!! Get away from him/her! -> woe is me I’m lonely -> contemplate and/or explain situation with someone who knows better -> Oops I’ve totally misread the situation, sorry

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Ti is about trolling which is what I'm doing through vampirism. Analysing them and criticizing them through mockery.

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Ngl I searched vampirism just to make sure I get what you mean. I assume that means using people

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Ngl I searched vampirism just to make sure I get what you mean. I assume that means using people

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LSI said I was sucking his blood because I was arguing with him. IEI's give their blood through Ni Fe. Blood is the fluid of life, it means healing, sharing and caring. When that's not appreciated (or we think it's not,) we turn to sucking blood (vampirism). Also "draining" someone emotionally and mentally. Done through criticism. Analysis means to pick apart and is related to masculinity, as the opposite of empathy which means "to bring together". Destructive vs creative. Ti is analysis/deconstruction and Se is physical dominance, movement and aggression.

SEI and ESE turn to Ti + Ni which is a plan to destroy someone through social networks and manipulation instead of more physical direct and personal confrontation.

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Again I think woe is me can be manipulative because it’s a call for help from duals or some people who like victimy qualities. Maybe ILIs enjoy the attention, but it starts first from the victimy feels lol. Basically ILIs really are like that. It could give them good or bad attention or none at all but either way the ILI would still have the woe is me mentality

ILI cannot read people -> see patterns, any hint of bad would be used to consider someone an enemy. It’s all in the place of defensiveness and scare. Good thing you mentioned this because I’m in a specific situation like atm and I realized I’ve destroyed the bridge just because of the same reason. It’s always like that though: Any small event that ILI cannot read: The person’s bad!!! Get away from him/her! -> woe is me I’m lonely -> contemplate and/or explain situation with someone who knows better -> Oops I’ve totally misread the situation, sorry

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Oh so ILI's accuse others of victim mentality because they are projecting their own insecurities and flaws on others. Their own way of victimizing themselves as if someone else is doing it to manipulate because they themselves are doing it to manipulate.

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Oh so ILI's accuse others of victim mentality because they are projecting their own insecurities and flaws on others. Their own way of victimizing themselves as if someone else is doing it to manipulate because they themselves are doing it to manipulate.

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Most weird behaviors are due to projection. You don't have to see it as deliberate manipulation though.

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Most weird behaviors are due to projection. You don't have to see it as deliberate manipulation though.

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It's in part deliberate if you don't even make the effort to understand, making assumptions instead, letting urself pass judgements you haven't verified. I thought I was LII or EII due to constantly doubting my ideas, instead of just assuming the most immediate and biased bs that comes to me as true while neglecting so many possibilities and factors. Like you said when ILIs realize they messed up, why won't most of them make the effort to see where was their flaw in principle, the pattern that they repeat, that results in the same kind of mistake. Most IEIs are the same like the ILIs all of this feeds into my narcissism. I'm obviously a better person because I'm trying to anticipate and fix my mistakes before they happen. They just let them and push their own shit on someone else.

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I'm obviously a better person because I'm trying to anticipate and fix my mistakes before they happen.

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Can you prove this? Because it misses gazillion viewpoints. Starting from the most fundamental basics of existence of which I assume you are part of.

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Can you prove this? Because it misses gazillion viewpoints. Starting from the most fundamental basics of existence of which I assume you are part of.

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I don't understand what you mean. I said so many times now there's not even such thing as proof. If what I say is true and you have the cognitive abilitites necessary to deduce it and understand it, the proof is right in front fo you. If you don't, you are blind and say I have no proof. Like @Braingel deduced pills are toxic. U have to be a moron to not figure it out.

ok stupid autistic ILI be damned to hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8rN-_qjmik
here's your localized thinking

banking partners want less of it they
take porn away men
become frustrated
jealous assholes like him make fun of them and degrade people and
take safer self management opportunities for income away so that the girls get exploited way worse instead
forced into toxic porn business models and supporting toxic sites
and he and his degenerates in the comments are happy for it. I wish him all the worst.

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I don't understand what you mean. I said so many times now there's not even such thing as proof. If what I say is true and you have the cognitive abilitites necessary to deduce it and understand it, the proof is right in front fo you. If you don't, you are blind and say I have no proof. Like @Braingel deduced pills are toxic. U have to be a moron to not figure it out.

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There are proofs. It depends on the axioms you choose. I greatly doubt that autism lends itself to this because they talk about spectrum. Of course you can claim to be your own discrete solipsistic entity with your definitions but why the hell you even communicate?

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There are proofs. It depends on the axioms you choose. I greatly doubt that autism lends itself to this because they talk about spectrum. Of course you can claim to be your own discrete solipsistic entity with your definitions but why the hell you even communicate?

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Everyone's their own entity? That's exactly why we communicate, we understand reality differently so we communicate to educate each other. When you say you want proof u mean u need an explanation for why I think the way I do. but saying proof and "your own definitions" implies you have assumed some kind of rule that your particular axioms and understanding are in the right and I should accommodate to them without you even needing to communicate them because you are somehow entitled to objectivity (your particular subjectivity being objective). I have always had this problem with ILEs. Also me referencing what happenned with the sociopath.

Aximos are rules derived from observation or just assumptions that you go off of being true. This makes them wrong by default. There are many ways to redefine ur axioms to break your conceptual illusions, because a particular way of conception makes it very hard to conceptualize some other things. Like concepts have no strict borders between them so u make borders artifically to help urself understand which also has consequences on you not understanding other things because ur borders (boxes you put things in) get in the way. U need to change the way you think and redefine everything as you go that's a basic axiom. Learning more results in you breaking your previous conceptions (mind blown, opening your mind, by opening the borders) so you can understand more complexity of reality.

You want me to deliver everything to you, translating it to your particular bias, while you are not willing to make the effort to understand it as it is, I have to walk you through your personal conceptual barriers which u need to communicate which will take a lot of time and effort on both sides. And I have never met an ILE who was willing to walk that distance. It's the same for IEIs and ILIs too most of the time really.

And then there's the specifics of the situation. I have believed many people who others claimed were delusional, because I anticipated they would be rejected and because it happenned in the past, and on purpose am trying to listen and understand and figure out what they are talking bout. ILIs and IEIs demeaned them included. By reasoning I can figure everyone else is a complete bafoon. Example is pills being toxic and destroying brain and cognitive function. Example is me telling them sleep depravation also results in brain damage and cognitive decline which they said I'm just making excuses and there's no way it would be allowed or oblige people to sleep deprive if what I said was true. Then came studies proving me right. However the studies are still not proof since everything is just assumptions and relations you never know for sure. You jus always make assumptions and try to verify them to figure out right from wrong. Studies are always inconclusive and when they are regarded as conclusive it's due to factor analysis failure, where there were factors not even considered, due to lack of imagination and understanding of other areas. Since there COULD be something that's missing, and we don't know what it is, I can't prove there's such thing. And then I may know and understand there's such thing, and explain it to them. and they will just say I'm delusional and it's not verified, when the fucking hypocrites, are just as delusional and unverified, even mrore so, due to lack of understanding complex factor relationships and being conceptually blind to things. Cue the fcking bullies trope of abusing a nerd telling him what he says makes no sense in kindergarden when he later proves to have been right all along and intellectually advanced. It's no different except the kid has adults proving him right, as an authority figure, just because they are authority means they are in the right of course. That's how most people function with proof. Proof is just something someone sees as a reason for something to be true. It's completely subjective and biased.

Your existence begun when there was enough of particles that interacted. You did not compile your own existence.

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You want me to deliver everything to you, translating it to your particular bias, while you are not willing to make the effort to understand it as it is, I have to walk you through your personal conceptual barriers which u need to communicate which will take a lot of time and effort on both sides. And I have never met an ILE who was willing to walk that distance. It's the same for IEIs and ILIs too most of the time really.

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What makes you assume that you don't also have particular bias? That you can see 'what it is'?

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I don't understand what you mean. I said so many times now there's not even such thing as proof. If what I say is true and you have the cognitive abilitites necessary to deduce it and understand it, the proof is right in front of you.

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Deduce it from what? Assumptions? Perceptions?

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by bryanbone https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...post-right.png
I'm obviously a better person because I'm trying to anticipate and fix my mistakes before they happen.



Well, if you know they are mistakes beforehand, you wouldn't make them at all, right? But I don't think it's possible to know for sure because you'd have to be omniscient. Of course, it's important to doubt oneself and stay cautious and not be too rigid in one's "knowledge".

While this is an interesting topic, I can't make out where this thread is going and what it's actual purpose is.

@bryanbone I think it's all hate because some ILI might have hurt you. I hope you find an ILI who is different. I mentioned reasons why ILI could be perceived as narcissistic, I'm mostly talking from personal experience and the type itself. Maybe the ILI that you have met is narcissistic and have done bad but it could be not because they are ILI but because of other reasons. Any type can be evil. I do agree that there is a high tendency for ILIs to be narcissistic because they start with the trends/patterns and with their weak ethical functions they just blow things out of proportion. That could lead them to think that people are only a means to an end or that people are out to get them. But I'm going to say not all ILIs.

Just a note, you might be judging the ILI's actions without understanding where they are coming from, while you give leeway to yourself because you know your intentions. You mentioned you've been doing vampirism and other things - these actions can be perceived as evil as well and based on what you said you know that you do it to others. Now you might think that you are doing the right thing even though if we would just take your actions, we harshly judge them as evil. But you wouldn't want others to judge, because you know that you are just trying to defend yourself. How about the ILI who has done wrong? Maybe he has his own battles. Maybe we need to give a benefit of the doubt here and be open to forgiveness.

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What makes you assume that you don't also have particular bias? That you can see 'what it is'?



Deduce it from what? Assumptions? Perceptions?

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by bryanbone https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...post-right.png
I'm obviously a better person because I'm trying to anticipate and fix my mistakes before they happen.



Well, if you know they are mistakes beforehand, you wouldn't make them at all, right? But I don't think it's possible to know for sure because you'd have to be omniscient. Of course, it's important to doubt oneself and stay cautious and not be too rigid in one's "knowledge".

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What makes you assume I assume I don't have a particular bias. I know I have and been trying to fix myself that's my point. Did u miss the rest of the conversation? I'm better than others because I'm trying to fix myself while they prefer to cling to their bias because it's easy.

Assumptions are perceptions. Perceptions are cognitive processes lining up to form a perception. Assumptions are ideas that come to you which you perceive. You also create them. You are also created through them. And the world creates itself through you while creating you while your mind also creates reality u haven't been faced this those ideas before?

I don't know what is a mistake and what is not, since I'm not omniscient, which by default, implies, I will make mistakes, so Im wrong by default. And I try to find what I'm missing to get the correct idea. Which is wrong most of the time but it has truth in it because it's still an attempt to get at the whole truth. Which is growing myself and growing my awareness to make myself more right, better. To grow. To have better ideas which are also perceptions and assumptions.

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Your existence begun when there was enough of particles that interacted. You did not compile your own existence.

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If energy can't be destroyed nor created.

If I'm the particles interacting and they compiled themselves then I compilled myself. Does anyone really do anything. If I shoot a gun, and the bullet kills someone, what killed him was the wound, was it physics, was it the bullet, was it the gun, was it the trigger, was it pulling the trigger, was it pulling the trigger in the specific moment and direction and everything lining up perfectly. But it was no me because I do not exist. It was my innervation too. We don't make choices. Choices make us. Was there even a beginning and can you prove my existence either. Can you prove the existance of particles. And how is this relevant to what I said before way anyway? Can you prove your particle theory? What if my existence came before that and the particles are just it's manifestation instead. What if there's no difference between before and after. Have you looked into causality and synchronicity? What are ideas? You have no proof for anything at all. Jung is describing implicit meanings in ideas

https://carljungdepthpsychologysite..../#.YSALvOhfiUk

If my CONCEPTION, is implicit in something else in the world, it could be caused by it. Like when you have an idea. And externalize it in the real world. Did it only start existing there? It existed somewhere else before. As things in the past can cause things in the future, so can things in the future cause events in the past.
If I have schizophrenia, is it caused by misfiring of neurons, or is misfiring caused by it?

If I create the future by ideas given to me by particle interaction, then it was implicitly the future from the start. And it comes through me as manipulation of reality so that others act a certain way to lead to that future.
https://carljungdepthpsychologysite..../#.YSAStuhfiUk

Existance compiles itself. That's what energy can't be destroyed or created means. If everything is caused by something else. That's an axiom for you. Specific scenario in a localized thinking way taking out of context would be saying the bullet killed him, not me. Saying I don't compile my existence because particles come to manifest it and saying I killed him is also localized thinking and it's lateral thinking. You are moving ideas on 1 level. You need to ascend beyond that. Like the Earth used to have borders in the minds of people, it turned out it was a sphere. Like the universe must have an edge, it turns out it loops on itsellf, repeating, like a pattern. WAlking a line until you go the distance to realize it was a circle. But if your processing poweri s not sufficient you keep forgetting the road you have already travelled and repeating the same mistakes. Becoming self aware is getting yourself out of your own current cognitive limitations. Like becoming aware of the other loops. A dog chases it's tail causing it's own misery? Or is the trap caused upon him. You are suffering has another meaning, you are the suffering itself. That's why you are not the same when suffering. You are never the same unless in the exact same situation including time events memories everything and for a particular moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytz04GTkMBw

Im not clear as I wish to be because I'm cognitively impaired. So my ideas are something I'm unaware fully of since I experienced them across a long time and very intense moments after which I lost my insight they gave me as a whole. I've been trying to trace them back for so long. I never took LSD or any substance for the protocol. Others who took it also had realizations like theres no difference between objecitve and subjective. Jung also admitted that when he realzied it later but I can't find his texts about it.

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@bryanbone I think it's all hate because some ILI might have hurt you. I hope you find an ILI who is different. I mentioned reasons why ILI could be perceived as narcissistic, I'm mostly talking from personal experience and the type itself. Maybe the ILI that you have met is narcissistic and have done bad but it could be not because they are ILI but because of other reasons. Any type can be evil. I do agree that there is a high tendency for ILIs to be narcissistic because they start with the trends/patterns and with their weak ethical functions they just blow things out of proportion. That could lead them to think that people are only a means to an end or that people are out to get them. But I'm going to say not all ILIs.

Just a note, you might be judging the ILI's actions without understanding where they are coming from, while you give leeway to yourself because you know your intentions. You mentioned you've been doing vampirism and other things - these actions can be perceived as evil as well and based on what you said you know that you do it to others. Now you might think that you are doing the right thing even though if we would just take your actions, we harshly judge them as evil. But you wouldn't want others to judge, because you know that you are just trying to defend yourself. How about the ILI who has done wrong? Maybe he has his own battles. Maybe we need to give a benefit of the doubt here and be open to forgiveness.

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I talked bad about IEIs as well. Most humans are trash. If they want to be treated well then they should reciprocate first. If they see me trying to communicate honestly as offensive then they should be offended and I'm gonna offend them further. If they don't want to reconcile and make me eat their shit I'm not gonna have that.

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While this is an interesting topic, I can't make out where this thread is going and what it's actual purpose is.

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We did get sidetrack but others can always return to the original topic, right? We went off of autism's relationships with narcissism, abuse, cognitive lapses, bias, localized thinking.

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While this is an interesting topic, I can't make out where this thread is going and what it's actual purpose is.

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I think it revolves around starter's God complex.
So... the next thing we need to tackle is if it has some sort of weak interactive polytheism going on (I'm detecting some signs). If he ever chooses to talk to mortals.

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I think it revolves around starter's God complex.
So... the next thing we need to tackle is if it has some sort of weak interactive polytheism going on (I'm detecting some signs). If he ever chooses to talk to mortals.

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I'm trying my best you know. I'm not trying to be obscure on purpose. Like most people think dreams dont have profound meanigns because they can't make the necessary analysis and associations. Like I also said ILEs are not willing to walk that distance.

I had to bother writing and coming up with all that. For years fighting to understand it myself mind you. But I want too much of others I guess.

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What makes you assume I assume I don't have a particular bias. I know I have and been trying to fix myself that's my point. Did u miss the rest of the conversation? I'm better than others because I'm trying to fix myself while they prefer to cling to their bias because it's easy.

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That's very grown of you :)

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Assumptions are perceptions. Perceptions are cognitive processes lining up to form a perception. Assumptions are ideas that come to you which you perceive. You also create them. You are also created through them. And the world creates itself through you while creating you while your mind also creates reality u haven't been faced this those ideas before?

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That's a very Ni way of seeing the world. I get the the "mind & world interact to create reality" part, yet there is a danger of going into solipsism as @PseudoRandomBSGenerator has justly remarked. If you think those perceptions are not different from who you are, then what makes you assume that other people don't have other perceptions? If the world creates itself through you, then wouldn't other people have another, different world created through them? Why should those worlds coincide? Or worse, maybe those people only exist in your mind?

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I don't know what is a mistake and what is not, since I'm not omniscient, which by default, implies, I will make mistakes, so Im wrong by default. And I try to find what I'm missing to get the correct idea. Which is wrong most of the time but it has truth in it because it's still an attempt to get at the whole truth. Which is growing myself and growing my awareness to make myself more right, better. To grow. To have better ideas which are also perceptions and assumptions.

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If you don't know what is a mistake, then how can you find the correct idea? If you don't know what's wrong, how can you know what's true?

It is strange to put value on localized existence when you can not be sure of the foundation (especially out of scope temporal viewpoint related to object permanence). Anyway, this seems rather trollish and I'm getting tired of trolling back [because there are no actual solid answers].

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It is strange to put value on localized existence when you can not be sure of the foundation (especially out of scope temporal viewpoint related to object permanence). Anyway, this seems rather trollish and I'm getting tired of trolling back [because there are no actual solid answers].

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That's very grown of you :)



That's a very Ni way of seeing the world. I get the the "mind & world interact to create reality" part, yet there is a danger of going into solipsism as @PseudoRandomBSGenerator has justly remarked. If you think those perceptions are not different from who you are, then what makes you assume that other people don't have other perceptions? If the world creates itself through you, then wouldn't other people have another, different world created through them? Why should those worlds coincide? Or worse, maybe those people only exist in your mind?



If you don't know what is a mistake, then how can you find the correct idea? If you don't know what's wrong, how can you know what's true?

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What makes u think I assume other poeple don't have other worlds and percpetions? I don't understand what u mean why should those worlds coincide. If they don't we end up both sides self righteously abusing each other. Even if they exist in my mind I want to treat them well, especially since I'm not sure if they really do exist in my mind. So I will do the best no matter what because it's the best thing I could do. It's implicitly so. If you think about it more, "exist" and "mind" just doesn't make sense. It's all ideas you try to juggle. It changes nothing if it exists in a mind. Suffering also exists only in your mind does that make it less meaningful? If they exist in my mind how do I know I don't exist in someone else' mind? Also your mind doesn't create the reality you want to. You wanting is your particular bias, or localized existance too. It may not even make sense at all like a kid asking for something that makes sense to them but it's just unintelligible. MAybe everyhting u do is unintelligible and you just are not aware because that's your cognitive limitation. YOu have all seen someone do something really stupid and it was really obvious to you then why wasn't it to them? Why do you think you'd have any secure foundation at all then? Now that's narcissistic and delusional.

I don't know what I can and can't do (regarding mistakes) I just do my best to do the best that's how it works. You guys are used to being comfortable in certainty. bsgenerator wants his stable solid reality he doesn't want to admit to himself the world is way more insolid because being surrounded by unknown darkness makes him anxious. You want to be secure because delusions and filling the gaps of the unknown with them is reassuring.
You never know if what you're doing is a mistake or not. You just try to make assumptions and test them and learn from the experiences and create more complex mental models of reality exponentially and then you also see your own mistakes in them or patterns/repetitions like a math equation you can cross the "X"es off of. Most people teach thmeeslvs not to think because it's hard and painful to keep realizing you are wrong, how little you know and understand anything and to figure out how to fix it.

Its not strange because it's all you have. The foundation is elusive and difficult doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Thats your own weakness and hopelessness.

Autism, HSP, and high intellectual potential could all be grouped under the neuroatypical umbrella.

I think it is difficult for people to understand when they don't share these traits, they think you're trying to be "special" or a snowflake. But there really differences between people from this point of view.

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You guys are used to being comfortable in certainty. bsgenerator wants his stable solid reality he doesn't want to admit to himself the world is way more insolid because being surrounded by unknown darkness makes him anxious. You want to be secure because delusions and filling the gaps of the unknown with them is reassuring.

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Why does it matter that some people look for truth by using assumtions or speculation? What does it matter that the motivation is a need for certainty, since it exists in their minds? Here your own answer:

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It changes nothing if it exists in a mind. Suffering also exists only in your mind does that make it less meaningful? If they exist in my mind how do I know I don't exist in someone else' mind? So I will do the best no matter what because it's the best thing I could do. It's implicitly so.

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You never know if what you're doing is a mistake or not. You just try to make assumptions and test them and learn from the experiences and create more complex mental models of reality exponentially and then you also see your own mistakes in them or patterns/repetitions like a math equation you can cross the "X"es off of. Most people teach thmeeslvs not to think because it's hard and painful to keep realizing you are wrong, how little you know and understand anything and to figure out how to fix it.

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So you also have a way of confirming your assumptions. Those experiences you talk about are what most people would call "empirical proof".

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Why does it matter that some people look for truth by using assumtions or speculation? What does it matter that the motivation is a need for certainty, since it exists in their minds? Here your own answer:

So you also have a way of confirming your assumptions. Those experiences you talk about are what most people would call "empirical proof".

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No they are not what people call empirical proof. They are called delusions. Whatever appeals to the bias of authority is called empirical proof.