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You're still virtue signaling when you engage in social comparison to make prop yourself up
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I don't care that you vent. It's fine. Sites like this ought to be sources of social connection. What grinds my gears, if you'd like to know, is your tribalism. You may not realize that you use it & I don't believe it's your intent, but all it does is create boundaries between worthy & unworthy. If socionics is bad for society in any way its the tribalism people are using to connect & make cliqs
Okay this seems like nothing but a huge projection because I do not think of people in those terms as all. Not even deeply subconsciously. Worthy/unworthy- my brain doesn't even go there. What kind of Fi nonsense is that? I hate that stuff too... I often mock unhealthy Fi people going 'You are not worthy' in campy TV villain voices.
Nobody here is my 'clique' either. I mean I do have people I get along with and agree with often but I don't have tribes or cliques or clans- I pride myself on my independent lonerism so it sounds like you are projecting something you don't like about yourself onto me? Are you viewing Fe as something clique-ish or whatever? LoL. Eww Lolita had that stereotype of Fe as being that and it makes me barf as well.
You saying I might value Fi is a guess. Pretty inaccurate considering you're overanalyzing one situation & managing to draw a conclusion from it.Quote:
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No worries. Everyone here seemingly overanalyzes my messages anyway. *shrugs*
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And a box full of kittens.
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Most of my messages are exploratative, not conclusive. If they offend, I often do that to be concise & clear. Its whatever, tho man
Have you considered the level of health from these people you have had experience with, as well as their enneagram type? As well as the age.. A teen-early twenties versus a 40-year-old...
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I think contact makes more of sense with me being DCNH creative, which implies of Fe sub, and many mistake me as Fe base... But my Ni is pretty strong.
Hmmmmm... more Ni-sub really. IEI-Fes seem "softer" to me and more like pseudo-SEIs or something. Because Alphas value Fe but not Ni. You seem more intense and less affectionate with individuals, but you still have the typical IEI compassion and strong caring about the world.Quote:
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It definitely is weird I come off as Fe base though to many, and contact makes sense too.
@Braingel
Idk I think there is some biases with the Ni/Fe thing. I think people view Ni-sub IEIs as more like people who are ILI-ish Hannibal like to others, way less emotional - always provoking people to 'toughen up' by psychoanalyzing them in a cold and cruel way almost. Not showing much feeling or affection (pure Ni can be pretty sadistic) - but I mean , IEIs are supposed to have creative 3D Fe besides that. I think there is some truth to that probably, but it's exaggerated.
Ni sub also makes sense with my autism... I could also just be an IEI 0. Right on between Ni and Fe sub.Quote:
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Dark IEI: ooh prison Chad, how many people have you murdered?
Dark SLE: Uhhh idk man, about 7 or 8 (in doofus macho voice)
Dark IEI: Eww I'm rather disappointed in you Chad. Your kill count needs to be in the upper teens or I'm not going to get even half-way hard. Stop being a pussy and be even more brutal. Or this thing between us just isn't going to work out.
Dark SLE: Me the pussy? That's a riot. You haven't killed anybody yet yourself.....
Suddenly a SLI prison guard comes and glares at the Betas with suspicion. He doesn't actually hear what they are saying but feels weird about it.
Dark IEI (in manipulative creative Fe voice): Oh hello there sir. I'm just talking to this offender sir and helping him become a constructive member of society. *points to visitor badge* Even though he'll never be up for parole we should still have the compassion to teach him valuable life skills.
SLI smiles gently and walks on, mistaking the IEI for his activity partner.
Dark IEI: God what an idiot. Now where were we Chad....
((Is this what you mean about creative Fe lying? LoL))
My dad is Ni sub and he's not Hannibal like at all. In fact, he cares about the good of humanity a great deal. He's probably autistic, but in the 60's people didn't test for that sort of thing as much. They just said he was special and genius, but left it up to my grandma, who decided he needed to go to Catholic school.Quote:
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My dad threw a fit in front of me 8 years ago and ripped up his mom's Catholic bible that she left him. I had to calm him down because I'm the only one who can. Well, I used to be the only one who could, now he listens to my SLE daughter too. You see, the nuns used to hit him with rulers.... He wasn't disobedient, he was just autistic.
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I know very well about the adults around you as a child, thinking yo are just naughty, when you merely are having autistic symptom.
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I just murdered my pizza... I have bloody tomato sauce on my face now, and so verdict finds me guilty
Yeah I like all kinds of writing. I usually write fantasy adventure stories like a typical IEI but I wanna write a play, and get into scriptwriting- maybe a musical too lol.
I really hate lying and when people lie to me. I could do with being a bit better at it though, because I’m a vulnerable person and easy prey for the phoneys and manipulators of the world. I’m not sure lying more is the answer but I don’t think I should feel bad about a teeny tiny one here and there. I think I will feel a little stronger for it and less bothered by it when people do it to me. It’s hard to avoid being manipulated (naturally) but if I can feel a bit stronger in my ability to carefully manoeuvre myself away from a person/situation or pretend to feel more comfortable than I do then I think I’ll be saving myself and other people from unnecessary inevitable disappointment in each other.
Real life example:
You're around a religious zealot that overly and harshly punishes people for not being Christians or for being filthy homosexual sinners. They have real Te & Se power and you do not. Not yet anyway. Being honest with them doesn't work to change their beliefs or secretly hostile attitude. It would just make them feel more justified in putting you in an electric chair no matter how 'innocent' you think you are explaining yourself.
Sorry but I don't think I'm a bad person for lying to them and manipulating them & out-manuerving them and becoming a moderator here & essentially WINNING THE GAME OF THRONES. I know I'm not a bad person for having to lie sometimes for my own sanity and survival and boundaries.
No choice there but to pretend to be EII and manipulate them that you agree with them so they will leave you alone and you can escape their I-think-I'm-being-so-Good but-I'm-really-not type of thing. And yeah to be fair, Betas always dwelling in the Shadows thinking it makes us cool & edgy or even more righteous ourselves- when it's really kind of sad, suffocating and depressing isn't right either. But it's not about right or wrong... it's about Power. And I refused to be crushed by the High Sparrow. I knew I was better than that. I knew I was more powerful.
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Otherwise, I'm rather love-hate with people around me and I could never definitely make up my mind about someone. People annoy me causing me to dislike them and talk shit/gossip about them with my closests.
The thing is that I'm just bad at disliking people, so when I see them again, I get that pull to try to connect with them.. deep down I don't really want to dislike anyone. so it's kind of an internal turmoil because I can't stop the disliking/annoyance, but I also can't stop that pull. It's actually very frustrating because as a Ni base I just want to pick a course and stick to it!
My closest friend ILE is also my gossip-judging mate so it's kind of useful because we can get all our juices out with each other instead of letting the irritations about people fester within us. We kinda implicitly understand that neither of us truly means what we say at a given moment.. we're not actually condemning the person in question. At least that's what it feels like.
Edit: Some IEIs mentioned they even talk to the person they dislike more than they normally would. I do that too. It's like a drive to better understand the person so that hopefully they can prove you wrong. I've often been told that I can't help but to see the best in people. At least, I really want to see the best in people. (While simultaneously being angry at them. who knows cause demo Fi ain't consistent)
Hah, I can see how that would be highly confusing. I can't help but to believe most of what SLEs tell me about things. There've been quite a few moments when I say X, SLE says no it's Y, I say oh ok, then I look back on the moment and I'm like, huh.. okay. It's weird to notice your own DS suggestibility as it happens.Quote:
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Upper hand in what?
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Nah you nailed it i think i don't think it was just an unhealthy one. I came to this thread cause it reminded me of some past experiences with SEIQuote:
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's but wasn't sure it was the same thing being talked about here then saw your post and you described exactly what was my experience too.
That's an interesting thread.
I have a few hang ups with how Fe keeps up the atmosphere but then can get nasty in private because they built steam they need to let go. It isn't that they really hate or whatever the person, they are simply being emotional, talking in the present atmosphere that may lend itself better for expressing frustration. Once it's out of their system, it's out and that's it as far as I know.
Also, hating on people, gossiping tend to build bonds sometimes. I heard "we hate the same people" being used as a joke to justify friendship before, it has some truth tho.
Being on the other side, in Fi-Te land, I'm also able to lie straight in someone's face for my own reasons. Fi isn't always honnesty all the way, sometimes keeping decent relationships ranks higher in value/logic or whatever else.
You'll probably never know what I think of you, I'll probably never know myself, lol.
Fe-creatives lie as a matter of course
Fi-base lies and feels conflicted about it sometimes
I expect Agreeable (ethical) types to be much less likely to lie for selfish reasons.