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Not sure where to put this but its a lifestyle for some, so i picked here.
He experimented with drugs, and had demon possession, and explains what the demons taught him. Interesting how it got out of him. He really explains his bizarre experience and all the thought processes.
I like what he said aobut how entertaining thoughts gives "license" to demons to come in and mess with you. I have heard specific stories telling the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRoVzQYH2i8
Well, that's a healthy attitude about drugs. It seems like some people have a more vulnerable disposition to such "experimenting" in this way, and I understand that for some who experiment it becomes an instant addiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by one
This young man did not have ANY interest in the drug as a gateway to learn of occult or to talk to entities. He only realized through what he had intended to be recreational experience that he WAS experiencing entities within himself and that his peers were likewise possessed. Yes they were in his brain/mind, but we don't have to have them dwell there. He learned later when he was not on drugs that he could command them to leave and they would leave. (though for awhile they kept coming back). Obviously there was more than one there, which is common, because he (later when not on drugs) actually heard one talking to another/others, specifically: "He's learning." That part reminded me so much of C.S.Lewis's great classic Screwtape Letters, though clearly this guy never heard of it because he would have made the connection. So yes, they do talk to each other like that, and they do have an agenda for us and they work together on it their goal and they rejoice when they make progress and are unhappy when it's not working..
The So the drugs just WERE a gateway for the demons to enter him, and the truth is many things we do, such as, as he later learned, making decisions in our mind to do wrong/evil things, are ways of opening a portal/invitation for demons to come in an dwell with you. He just learned how to discern their voices from his own. His story is unique and the knowledge he gained was not something he was seeking after but it is completely consistent with what the real experts of demon possessions - exorcists - tell us about possession.
One, no strict view or thoughtful protocol will protect you from demons if you mess with the occult. Occult is their jurisdiction, and if you mess there, you invite them. They are much more powerful than you are and nothing of your own power will rid you of them. Nothing,. Your rituals and cleansings are a portal in themselves for them. They are gleeful at such ceremonies. But the name of Jesus will make them flee, and also blessed Holy Water and plastic rosary beads terrify them. These work almost all the time, and for very hard cases only an Excorist Priest will do.
Eliza, why do you assume that drugs make you experience demonic possession, rather than that drugs just make you crazy?
Brains are amazing. I have had hallucinations and I have had "divine experiences" without drugs.
Anyways, more perspective where we exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HFFr0-ybg0
Experiences are mind abstractions so we can function and survive. Crazy, right?
Good question,. I never made this correlation before until I listened to this guys story, and it is clear to me all three of them in that drug experience had demon possession at the time - besides the craziness of the drugs, so in this case at least, its both. Other cases I don't know but from this I get the idea that drugs are another demonic portal. I have seen possession in the two I know who are or have been involved with drugs. Since in all three of these (three meaning the above story plus the only two I know) there was both, it seems to me likely that it could always be a portal. It certainly is a slavery. And God does not enslave. And you cannot serve two masters, because you will love one and hate the other. Demons hate God.... so, hope that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
Also there is a difference between demonic possession and being bothered or even tortured by demons. (I don't think the above video addresses the distinction, and I did not try to analyze what he had, but there s a difference). I would say when doing drugs you are inviting them into your life and they will bother and mislead you for sure, but to be possessed, that is a further step. This became particularly clear to my husband and I when one dear to us who has had drug issues and other issues (including PTSD and BPD) told me she was experiencing torture of demons. Others didn't believe her, as yes, she does not always tell the truth, but I believed her in this. They were bruising and scratching her, and I believed it was as she said, demons.
So I asked a very holy priest if he would speak to her. He said the first line of defense was to use Sacramentals, because they work most of the time, and if that didn't work he would certainly meet with her and discern what next. (She is not Catholic but Protestant in practice, at least in the past, and she was open to whatever I thought would work). So the priest suggested Sacramentals, meaning blessed holy water and/or blessed holy objects. I went all the way not only with a regular bottle of blessed holy water but a small key chain bottle so she could always have it with her, plus a blessed rosary and a blessed St. Benedict Medal (very powerful against demons), saying she should bless herself and her surroundings in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. She said it worked! The physical torture stopped immediately.
However, she is off the rails and besides drugs and sex with druggies and dealers (who are very likely possessed) she indulges with tarot cards and gives psychic advice (she says this is her "gift" but she has always been tortured by demons from a young age so I am not thinking "gift" for this, and we know demons have LOTS of knowledge and are happy to help with this) so while fighting them in one sense she invites them into her life in other ways and it is not good. There was a wounding in her when she was young, and I am trusting God to protect her, as He is well known for protecting drunks and fools, and for her to be one day be healed. It is not looking good for her at the moment though. She is SEI, FWIW.
I don't think it has anything to do with demons, but drugs do naturally get rid of/block a person's empathy receptors so that's probably where that came from. "Drugs are bad mmmkay" because the drug addict would sell their own mom for the next high and not care much about it when you're that deep into it. You also tend to get really cruel and push people away because literally the only thing you care or your body cares about is the next high. What's sad is usually the sweetest, most vulnerable and 'empathetic' people get too badly involved with drugs anyway- and they totally transform into a different person because of it.
I am for people being free- I'm a 'Satanist' in that way I suppose ((everything that kills people/is bad for them tends to make them feel alive/everything that is moral and 'good' tends to make people feel restrained and suffocated and bound)) I think we should be free to do what we want and even explore some of our 'darker' impulses in a sense- but the main issue with that is when a person's desire to be free collides with another person's well-being. Ie I don't think people should eat babies just because it feels good and makes them feel free- I don't think people should be able to sell family members for drugs. Because then it's like your sense of freedom got warped- and you're not free in the sense , just another form of bondage masquerading as freedom. To you I suppose this is how Satan tempts people but Satan has always treated me better than God did anyway cuz I'm a Homosexual from Hell.
There's lots of rehab for the drug addicts- but there should be more counseling session and therapy help for the friends and loved ones of drug addicts really.
I don't relate or jump to any Christianity conclusions because of this though - it's mostly based on scientific evidence for me. There has been lots of real world studies that drugs get rid of your empathy- if you want to write Charmed fan fiction and think God or Satan are getting involved in the process- that's a person's own choice or belief system but even being IEI I'm just too worldly and scientific and atheistic for that.
yea I get ur point but the scientific (3D) and spiritual (4D) paradigms aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. there's a lot of compatibility/overlap between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by BandD
i think both (3D and 4D) is necessary to paint a more complete picture.
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I believe there's more to this world than the 3-dimension that we see in front of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by BandD
When people say "Drugs are Bad"
I think what they're actually meaning to convey (from a spiritual paradigm) is that certain drugs have higher potential to open demonic gateways, and therefore higher potential for demonic influence
I think certain drugs (such as Methamphetamine, DMT, etc) and certain activities (such as Tarot reading, indulging in sin, etc), are ways to access the higher dimensional (and most likely demonic) realms.
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In Tarot card reading, I believe the "psychic" is actually reading the thoughts of demonic entities.
Demonic entities may tell you things that may or may not be true. But if one thing is for certain, they will try and tell you things you want to hear.
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Devilish Prophecies of the Occult: Astrology and Tarot Reading
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Avoid Astrology and things like Fortune telling / Tarot Reading.
These things are dangerous, whether or not these things come true or not.
As it says in the Old testament,
Here's an illustration:Quote:
"soothsayers and sorceresses you shall not allow to live"
Many people think things like astrology and tarot reading is harmless or that it's humbag (a kind of fraud).Quote:
Once, a young man of twenty asked an astrologer to give him a horoscope reading;
It said his first marriage he would not be happy, and his second marriage he would be happy.
Once this man finally got married, all his family approved of the wife, and she proved to be a true and reliable person.
They had three children together. Later this man left and abandoned his wife. His Christian parents and other family members were very sad. His father ended up disinheriting his house to his grandchildren. This young man looked for a second wife but once he found her, it lasted only one year.
But even humbag can have suggestive power,
Especially to superstitious personalities, whose decisions and behaviors are highly susceptible to the power of suggestions, potentially to their disadvantage and downfall.
With this in mind, be very wary of diving too deep into Jungian Psychology, which too in a way, offers "prophetic" or "suggestive powers," potentially to your detriment.
If you have a superstitious or sensitive personality, I'd avoid the above completely.
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12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. 13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, [1] the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. 14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves [2] from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isaiah 47:12-14
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Originally Posted by BandD
In other words, you made a deal with the devil.Quote:
Originally Posted by BandD
In the short-term, yes, the devil will often grant you super powers. Exactly why it's so enticing.
But sorry you are actually enslaved, to the devil that is.
PS: I tell you this because I care about u bro
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Why people think it is an access to most likely demonic gateways though?Quote:
Originally Posted by pandemic candy
People are generally scared of unknown, it makes us aware that we cannot control everything or maybe anything at all. Hence, people who have uncommon perceptions, experiences and behaviors seem scary, that's why people associate drug and anything uncommon and unpredictable with evil.
Most religions forbids the act of divination. Although your source had different conclusions about it, I think it is about this:Quote:
Originally Posted by pandemic candy
It is not about forseeing but deceiving and manipulating other person that one can forsee to gain power and/or change the events in a way that favor them. Besides if people think that some people or things can make them tell the future then they will start to see those things as sacred and divine and maybe some would believe in it more than the religion and god they believe in. I think these are the core reasons why it is generally accepted as sin.Quote:
Practicing divination is listed as one of the reasons for Israel’s exile (2 Kings 17:17). Jeremiah 14:14 spoke of the false prophets of the time, saying, “They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds.” So, compared to God’s truth, divination is false, deceitful, and worthless.
What bothers me is the part above. Machine learning also do this, we all do it to some extent, some can be better at this compared to rest. Some people may even believe in God because of their divinations. If someone is believing God, I think it would be contradictory to assume one person's predictions are necessarily coming from Devil and not from God.Quote:
As Luke traveled with Paul and Silas in the city of Philippi, he recorded an encounter with a diviner: “We were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling” (Acts 16:16). The girl’s ability to penetrate mysteries was due to a demon that controlled her. Her masters received “much gain” from their slave. Paul eventually exorcised the demon (verse 18), freeing the girl from her spiritual bondage and angering the slave owners (verse 19).
Just wanted to chime in: magick is all about intent, belief, and proper techniques. There is a reason why every single occult guide to magick on the net mentions safe practice and correct handling of the matter - it is a way of banishing entities and protecting against negative energies. All kinds of things work, not only Christian exorcisms.
The psychic isn't able to foretell the future, rather, that she/he has a receptive, telepathic mind. Reading the thoughts of demons. The psychic may or may not be aware of this. The masses just think it's a psychic telling the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by myresearch
You are referring to prophets, who were God's messengers. Again this is dispensationalism: Back in the day, the Jews did not have God's word/Jesus, therefore God sent prophets to communicate divine messages. These days, we rely less on prophets because we have the bible (God's word), although there are some. Teachers, pastors and ministers have mostly replaced the prophets role.Quote:
Originally Posted by myresearch
Anything outside of that is not of God.
A lot of things appear safe, correct, and "work" okay in the world... on the surface. Dabbling with devilish things such as Ouiji boards doesn't automatically imply immediate harm. As a matter of fact, you will gain God-like super powers at first glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilacwine
But again, we need to look at it from a spiritual paradigm to discern what is of God and what is not. The devil and his demons are tricky little buggers, providing false worldly pleasures in exchange for your soul. So we have to be careful.
The physical world is not full of things that are, at first glance, something "evil" or "divine". After all, all tools, whether it's Tarot cards, Ouija boards, pendulums, are nothing more but a simple physical object. Tarot cards don't have some divine powers inside them by themselves, it's you who brings the power to them - because you're psychic, or at least that is what I think - everybody is born psychic in one way or another, it's just that our upbringing introduces some blockages and disturbs our positive, "supernatural" vibrations.Quote:
Originally Posted by pandemic candy
That is simply a question of faith and what do you actually believe in. It's okay if you're a christian, it's okay if you're a satanist, it's okay if you are just spiritual - just don't act like your view of reality implies the view of reality of mine, or another person's. Everybody's life path is different, everybody believes (or doesn't believe) in different things, and writing off certain activities, practices and beliefs as 'of the devil' or harmful is simply bogus. I am a firm believer in "live and let live" attitude, and I'm trying to stay true to that. Only a fool who dabbles in left hand path and demonology sells their own soul to the demons in exchange for power, prosperity, and the like. That is simply not what these paths are about. It's about self-deification, bringing the matter into your hands, it's a whole other world of its own. I personally am not taking the left hand path, because I am just simply afraid of fucking things up and bringing lots of bad energies into my life (I admit though, that most of my fears come from ignorance), my practice is influenced by folk Catholicism, gnostic Christian teachings, and some Thelema/Crowley stuff and typical new age bullshit you hear on the net so often.Quote:
Originally Posted by pandemic candy
Good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by myresearch
From gotquestions:
I'll also point you to this source:Quote:
Tarot cards are associated with divination—unlocking the secrets of the future by occult, supernatural means. Divination is strictly prohibited in the Bible.
Tarot cards come in a deck of 78 individual cards. They were developed about 600 years ago for gaming. However, some mystics, psychics, and occultists began to use the cards for divination, and today the cards and the ability to “read” them are seen as elements of fortune-telling. To receive a tarot reading is to attempt to find out things about one’s life or future through the occult.
Usually, the practice of reading tarot cards starts with the questioner cutting the pack of cards or sometimes just touching it. The psychic or card reader then deals out some cards, face down, into a pattern, called a “spread,” on the table. As the cards are overturned, the psychic or reader constructs a narrative based on the cards’ meanings and their position on the table. Obviously, reading tarot cards places a heavy emphasis on fate, “hidden knowledge,” and superstition.
God warned His people, the Israelites, against divination when they were on the verge of entering the Promised Land. He lists divination among such evils as child sacrifice and casting spells in Deuteronomy 18:9–12. Leviticus 19:26 puts is succinctly: “Do not practice divination or seek omens.” Tarot card reading definitely falls within the scope of this prohibition. In some cases, tarot card reading can be guided by demons. In Acts 16, Paul meets a fortune teller, a slave, who earned her masters a lot of money by fortune-telling (verse 16). The Bible attributes her ability to having a demonic spirit, which Paul was able to cast out of her by the name of Jesus Christ (verse 18). The Bible does not mention the tools the slave girl used to tell the future, but, whether tea leaves or dice or lots or cards of some type, the items used in that context brought honor to demonic spirits.
The spiritual dimension of our world is real, and it is not to be taken lightly. The Bible tells us that Satan seeks to destroy us. “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Lions are not to be toyed with.
Solomon, the wisest person ever, offered this wisdom about knowing the future in Ecclesiastes 7:14:
“When times are good, be happy;
but when times are bad, consider this:
God has made the one
as well as the other.
Therefore, no one can discover
anything about their future.”
And in Ecclesiastes 8:7 he writes this:
“Since no one knows the future,
who can tell someone else what is to come?”
Only God holds the future, and only He truly knows what will happen (Isaiah 46:10).
If you desire to have peace about your future, turn to the Lord Jesus Christ. The future is bright for those who know Him (Romans 8:17).
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You also hear stories of meth addicts seeing shadow cloaks and ruining their lives, DMT users seeing entities, etc
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On crystal meth, people will commonly report seeing shadowy figures, blurry faces, tall men in dark cloaks appearing and disappearing quickly with a small flash. Animals seem to pay extra attention to you when you're high on crystal meth. Dogs and other family pets seem to bark at nothing or shy away from areas of your home as if in fear, lifting their nose in the air and whining as if trying to point to someone or something. People also report seeing aliens, UFO's and other strange creatures. The list goes on.
Incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilacwine
Looking at it from 3D, yes they are simple objects. But you use these objects to practice divination.
Some people are born with receptive/telepathic minds. Some develop these abilities somewhat. The tools used in our contemporary age uses the occult, and not of God.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilacwine
If you follow satan, you're asking for eternity in hell.
It does matter.
Sitting here and telling people everything is okay is not doing any favors in the long run.
Somebody has to be the annoying guy that tells you this to wake you up.
That is me.
I respectfully disagree. Hell does not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by pandemic candy
idc. i will always believe myself to be a demon no matter what anyone says
One needs to be very careful about what is entering your field of view and for what reason and for what purpose.
But to entertain thoughts of demons overly is not a good thing either, as CS Lewis put it.
"“There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight."
For me the question has become is the world entirely material - atoms, chemical bonds, physics in motion, peptides - cellular respiration, or is it also magical - connected, manifested, mind created, interlinked.
I think its probably a mix of both and more. I mean quantum physics shows that basically nothing is as it seems in the most nonsensical way at a very root level. Spooky action at a distance.
I think that overall a person should be cautious about what they do to the physical aspects of the biological brain. How can you separate what is mind made delusion, or narration telling, and what is fundamentally true from an empirical standpoint, outside of the mind's reach? Is it even possible to know the difference? How can you be sure the image is not influenced by some prior exposure to some childhood imagery, or memory encoded? Is it possible to even be truly objective?
One thing I will say about drugs, especially the uppers, they do invite strange phenomena and psychosis is always one step away. The flip side of that is that not every delusion is delusional, often they are just not socially sanctionable and therefore are "wrong" by standard metrics. What patterns are overreaches and what really are worth noting? Who and what and how speaks to you and is it even a question if the messenger is good, or evil, if those standards could even be used, and is it more a question of what is the message and which direction does it point towards and should you follow it? I think often its better to ignore and return to what is right directly in front of you.
Heavy stuff.
I meant we all predict things in life based on our knowledge, logic and experience. For example, one predicts that other person is sleeping at 4 am, because they know that people generally sleep at that hour. However, people don't define this as foreseeing, however, this is very simplistic version of it. We also predict more complex things for example, when you observe a person for a long time at different times, places under different conditions, you have an idea how they are going to react to certain things or how they will behave. Because we all recognize patterns, that's how machine learning also predicts things, there is a logic behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pandemic candy
When I enter a new workplace, I know how things going to evolve after 3 months, whether I will get a promotion or not, who will support me or oppose me, what should I do etc. Again after knowing a person for a good time, I know how they are going answer or say after one says X thing. These things doesn't sound like mambo jambo to me. I know exactly why I think if something is going to happen or not. However, if I share my reasons, other person may think my reasoning is theoretical or that I am assuming, ofcourse they can also reach the same conclusion, it just depends on a person.
In my opinion, some people may predict things, but they may not be aware of their own reasons why they think that way. Hence it seems like a more divination. Because sometimes we reach the same conclusion but they don't know why, but I think I know why they think that way.
I don't keep taps on these things, so not sure how many times this thing happened, I only remember one instance that I had that could be count as a divination and that happened years ago. I dreamt this thing, then when I woke up, I did the same things and it was spot on the mark in a very detailed manner. I remember this thing because it changed my life, I didn't focus on this divination aspect, since because of the result of this, other changes were more important to me. Even after a while, I didn't want to share this thing, because if some person would say to this me, I would think they are bullshiting, because there cannot be logical explanation behind it. However, I think our brain is superior than our consciousness, we gather lots of data that we don't even consciously remember, but unconsciously we do, our brain make connections that we are not aware of. Hence people who are reading tarots just try to pull out info from their unconscious, ofcourse if they are actually predicting things, most of people just bullshit anyways.
So associating foreseeing with demons seems like a radical attempt to explain the unknown. It is associated with demons and evil because people fear of the unknown. I don't like the demonization aspect in any kind of religion, belief or ideology, ofcourse as a human we all sometimes tend to approach things this way, however, we only think or approach to things that way because of our perception.
I find it interesting this comes from someone with a quote extolling love in his signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by pandemic candy
The solution to a short attention span is an even shorter attention span. Mine has grown so short that it's now faster to read than watch videos. Is anyone willing to summarize the juicy parts for me?
Demons don't play "Chess," they play the game "Go"Quote:
Originally Posted by one
Believing that demons play war by the rules , like chess, is where many fail (like the current US); you are dealing with inhumane beings that play a game, and in order to play the game you can't play it at all.
These beings will try to get u to play their game so u need a different strategy. They are very much like serial killers; u probably shouldn't consider what they tell u seriously, nor should u negotiate with them
Think outside the box and behind the mirror.
Also, they may appear harmless ( or friendly + cool ), but that's just an illusion.
Don't be fooled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYPL7RSxKw
Here are some possible ways to get in contact with evil spirits:
1. Through divination (summoning them) EX: tarot cards, ouiji boards, Paranormal type shit, etc
2. Through demonic possession/oppression (disease, trauma, spells) EX: Schizo, Gangstalking/Witchcraft/Satanic Cult, Exorcist stuff, etc
3. Through lifestyle (certain drugs, indulging in sin, etc) EX: I'm thinking drugs like methamphetamine may possibly help the mind become more "telepathic" to the thoughts of demons, thus giving individuals "super powers" in the short-term but destroyed lives in the long-term
Then there's DMT:
Evil clown spirits/Jesters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16EFVCZ8JK4
More demon testimonials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCrqmM6B6Ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11w4jyl09Bk
Demon chillin in the closet:
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This is in the chatbox but wanted to add here, as I think there may be a connection:
Schizos often spew out a lot of "nonsense", but I think within that "nonsense" there are hidden gems and pieces of wisdom that are cutting edge
From a medical paradigm Schizo is a chemical imbalance of dopamine.
From a spiritual paradigm, I hypothesize it's related to demonic influence and/or prophecy.
And I think that's why psychiatry has devolved instead of evolved; too focused on the medical paradigm in treating symptoms.
Similar to tarot card readers, Schizos could be prophesizing via reading the thoughts of demons
Can't help it hun, I am stuck in this world without demons.Quote:
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Yeah no shit, no bullshit.Quote:
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For that to be true, first some people must have these divinations, call them reflections of demons or whatever, I am waiting for the proof of that first, then their phone number.Quote:
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Contact with demons should not be recommended. They are malicious entities that like harm us.
Attempting contact with demons is also unnecessary because we are all under spiritual attack by demonic forces regardless if we know it or not.
Divination and contact with spirits is a very passive and receptive act, you can't control it.
If you are trying to contact an entity you can only call to it but you can't force it to come to you.
These sorts of acts are very yin (feminine) in nature and it's why many seers and witches in history were women.
Let yourself receive the energy of the universe before you try to have contact spirits become comfortable recognizing its vibrations.
Some demons supposedly give people a skill of knowing the future, and even knowledge of science and arts. Heaven doesn’t like that. So I agree that some parts of reading is rightfully labelled evil. Knowing is inherently evil. Knowledge is supposedly temptation, entities who like to take matters in their own hands are evil and demons.
We are part of that. It’s already in our nature to “sin”. What we need is to embrace the light and dark within us and integrate them together to achieve balance.
Is it bad to contact demons? Not necessarily, but yes if you don’t know what you are doing. It’s the same thing with doing drugs or trying any substance. Everything should come from the place of light when you are going towards darkness. And it’s the other way around when you are going towards the path of light. Come from a place of darkness when you are going towards the light. Think of going by the rules, but remembering that you don’t have to strongly adhere with it and might break it from time to time. It’s all because these extreme ends are not the truth, the middle path is the truth.
We are all having the human experience. That involves extreme ends of everything. And all that we perceive are just accessories to that human experience. You could use anything either for good or evil.
When you are bridging the demonic territory you have to know if you are well-equipped for it. It is only bad when you aren’t in touch with yourself and that you don’t have the control. You should have the control and know that you have control. Whatever happens is your own doing and that you can modify your reality. When you come in contact with one, why would you be scared? Face it and assert your dominance. It’s the same with angels. You have the power and every thought and entity is below you. They work for you, you don’t work for them. Even fate. You make your fate, no one would tell you what to fucking do. The real downfall is relinquishing your power.
And I say that even outside the realms of occult. Everyday we experience things that would make us feel inadequate and powerless. But you can always do something. Most people assume that they are not responsible however and keep a blind eye. Not being accountable is easy. The moment that you assume that everything is within your power and that you create your own reality is when you get to the truth of life.
This power, this force, this control over every side and end of the holy grail... this is very inviting and oracular, like we might defeat a time emblazoned entity of darkness with the sword of light in an all dominating and unrelenting fashion that shows that our victory was so immortal, so triumphant, so complete. The utter annihilation and death to the living Force in such an unspeakable engine of collapse could be major down the centuries in a reverberating eruption!!Quote:
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one and other forum mystics, how would you suggest I contact some lonely or bored demons in my area? If any want to teach me some occult knowledge, I'll be a great student! Totally willing to do a Faustian bargain.Quote:
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This story is basically about a demon and a true story. It's pretty scary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf_9w1vpq50
Lmao, I know you’re joking but why don’t you focus on manifesting a lovely woman to come into your life? Succubus and entities are not enough to keep you warm inside and outside. Manifestation is easier too and helpful for mood if the whole spirituality thing is bs to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
But if you just want a demon, try Ars Goetia for formality lol. But you’ll get good and immediate results from Goetia Pathworking. You have strong Ni so you’ll easily gain association skills to summon them this way. Though just a note one time I practiced on this one and I got very sick the whole day and had nightmares for days. You’ll be fine though, it’s just you battling yourself and your thoughts remember that.
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If you get bad results it’s not my fault you asked for it. lol. But I rate that book 10/10, aside from the fever
Contracts are a thing but you shouldn’t assume that you need to bargain. You have to see yourself as a bigger man. It’s the same thing with your thoughts - you can have some desires but it’s up to you to succumb to them. Also there is a concept of redemption. You can choose to disassociate from demons and other entities if you want to. There is a risk for mental illness and other negative things but it’s all part of the work and as long as you think of yourself as the owner of your own life then you’ll triumph over everything. Sense of victory, control, focus and intention - all of that should be learned I think before you focus on results like seeing demons and stuff.
Btw I think this is quite an Ni territory @FreelancePoliceman, it’s interesting to see you’re slightly amused by it at least bec atm I’m trying to tap into Ti domains as well because of a specific Ni goal I have. I’ll be going back to learn some logic and stuff. I realized recently I’m dumb to think I should get away from Ti just bec I don’t value it. The real redemption arc of mine would be Ni + Ti combo.
So have you ever dealt with flesh-and-blood women? If you don't know, they can be really annoying. I think I read somewhere that Lilith's plan was to breed a superior female race and replace human women with them. That makes me suppose her daughters have something going for them humans females don't, so I'm willing to give them a try!Quote:
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Oh no no no, the last thing I want is more of my own thoughts. I'm bored and want to communicate with something different, new, intelligent, and possibly wanting to eat my soul. Navel-gazing Ni shit gets old quick! "The real demon is inside you :)" type demons can't be summoned by Ne people I'm afraid.Quote:
But if you just want a demon, try Ars Goetia for formality lol. But you’ll get good and immediate results from Goetia Pathworking. You have strong Ni so you’ll easily gain association skills to summon them this way. Though just a note one time I practiced on this one and I got very sick the whole day and had nightmares for days. You’ll be fine though, it’s just you battling yourself and your thoughts remember that.
But I will give it a read anyway! Thank you for the recommendation.Quote:
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If you get bad results it’s not my fault you asked for it. lol. But I rate that book 10/10, aside from the fever
Lol again I know you're joking but I'd say - the annoying women are annoying because they shouldn't be part of your life. Imagine someone who is actually not annoying. It's possible. I'll relate it to the main topic of this forum - duality is a sign that there could be someone out there who is not annoying. Now I'm not saying that that person should be a dual, but I'm just pointing the fact that you shouldn't lose hope that you'll find people who won't annoy you for once and would actually be beneficial in your life. I don't know about Lilith but the whole summoning of her seems like a way of a man to just find a nice hole to fuck. It's like buying a cheap item over an expensive one that would last. Look for things and people that won't easily depreciate and would increase value over time. Really FP, if you want to experience a deep connection, you have to know how it feels and actually acknowledge the need for it. You'll know the way afterwards. Don't focus your thoughts on finding a spirit to fuck.Quote:
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For high Ns I think thoughts and reality are one and the same for most times. Or maybe that's just me. The semantics don't matter, you'll see and feel that Lilith while you get seduced anyway.
Sorry, didn't see this post before replying to the former one!Quote:
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My stance on Ni is similar to @PseudoRandomBSGenerator -- navel-gazing nonsense that should be engaged with only for fun and exercise. OK, that's a slight exaggeration -- the problem is that much fixation on it causes problems. It isn't a rational function and can't be used as one, in the sense that it can be used as a basis for a constructive project. Its proper use is a means of gaining perspective and playing with ideas to see how they turn out. But Ni people often don't keep Ni in its proper place, but misapply it as a guide to live by, and end up either becoming monsters like Khomeini or ****** or David Koresh, or intellectual jokes; parodies of themselves, like Spengler or Nick Land. I might very well be biased in this assessment since it's my demonstrative, but I genuinely believe a demonstrative-like use of it is the only proper way of using it.
Same feeling of mine with Ti. But I just know I need it. So I'll learn it while vomiting. Some Ni ideas have no Te explanations, I think the explanations are in Ti. So I have to make them work in my favor. Super super hate that fact but this is reality. Se-Fi is a way to cope but it won't lead to attainment of understanding in my case.Quote:
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Of course — Ti is interested in truth as the truth (of course it’s it functions subjectively, but how else can truth be understood? The introverted functions are more pure in this way regarding their object; extraverted functions are affected by a social aspect). Te is the social application of thought; it’s only interested in what can be used for definite extraverted purposes. When Ni leads you to attempt expressing or understanding thoughts which seem meaningful, Te will always disappoint you because that’s not its purpose or “interest.”Quote:
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It’s the opposite for LII. If Ti is interested in truth, Ti blended with intuition is interested in what someone’s approach to broader life should be, which is where Ni is helpful. I think this kind of dynamic is how the demonstrative can be explained.
You know, when I was a kid and a young teenager I lived more in my imagination than the real world. Many people say this, idealizing their past, but for me it was really true, and caused very great problems for me. One of those problems was how crushingly disappointing the real world was. In my imagination I surrounded myself with wise super-men (and women) and considered myself humbly willing to remain inferior, human, and relatively dumb. Finding to my horror that well over half the species was even dumber than myself, of whose intelligence I had a low opinion, was a shock from which I never recovered. It made me actually angry for a long time to hear someone say I was smart; I felt like screaming “I’m not! I’m 13 and if you think I’m smart you’re a fucking moron; you shouldn’t be content to be!” Similarly it made me angry to find that people weren’t interested in developing an independent, consistent approach to life; my conception of reality came from books, which don’t tend to be written about people whose outlook changes day by day according to public opinion.Quote:
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Unfortunately, while I’m not Fi valuing and cursed to the perpetual hell ILI find themselves in of needing to relate to people constantly and being burned by their vapidity, I would like to approach my wife differently, and trying to understand most people well enough to have a heart-to-heart conversation with them makes me to kill myself. So my outlook is somewhat pessimistic.
Socionics offers some hope, but not much. I think my options are an identical (not very likely; do you know many LII who particularly enjoy each other’s company? I don’t see why it can’t happen in theory, but I never actually see it. Most LII annoy me, personally; strike me as too passive and narrow-minded. But, hey, I think it could work) or a dog — an ESE, who I don’t understand and doesn’t understand me but we love each other anyway! — or a dog with more mutual understanding; an EIE.
But EIEs are...variable, to say the least. I often like them, but finding one I’d feel safe marrying would seem difficult to me, especially as they don’t strike me as a common type. And ESE — well, a good 4 out of 5 of them at least are really basic, and those 4 are not interested in N types anyway.
If I knew people who didn’t annoy me I wouldn’t be on this forum, lol.Quote:
Now I'm not saying that that person should be a dual, but I'm just pointing the fact that you shouldn't lose hope that you'll find people who won't annoy you for once and would actually be beneficial in your life.
Sex never lasts, but there’s nothing shameful in wanting it! シ I don’t hear you criticizing a hungry person for trying to eat because they’ll just be hungry again at some other point in their life, or because by searching for food they’ll miss out on social opportunities to make lasting friendships!Quote:
I don't know about Lilith but the whole summoning of her seems like a way of a man to just find a nice hole to fuck. It's like buying a cheap item over an expensive one that would last.
Believe me I’m aware of a need for it. Or at least an intense desire for it. But I’m beginning to feel at this point like it might be easier to make friends with demons who want to eat me than other humans.Quote:
Look for things and people that won't easily depreciate and would increase value over time. Really FP, if you want to experience a deep connection, you have to know how it feels and actually acknowledge the need for it. You'll know the way afterwards. Don't focus your thoughts on finding a spirit to fuck.
Blah blah lilith is the anima blah blah OK since this doesn’t seem to be clear to you I’d like to feel leathery wings and a firey breath against my skin; if I want to feel a sexual connection with the imaginary ideal lady whose image I unconsciously judge every other woman by I can just masturbate!Quote:
For high Ns I think thoughts and reality are one and the same for most times. Or maybe that's just me. The semantics don't matter, you'll see and feel that Lilith while you get seduced anyway.
You should have made the connection with Lilith as junk food lol. Anyway for LII men I know, either they are reclusive scholars who don't seem to have any hint of sexuality in their body, or are in a relationship with Ethical women. I've never seen LII-LII partnership. I'm not that sociable though so even if I know several LIIs my social circle is quite limited. Agree with ESE being basic but sometimes they have a hint of wanting someone to push them to learn theoretical stuff. They just get lost in socializing and couldn't explain and grasp conceptual stuff very well.Quote:
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The Demonic Spirit of Jezebel
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One of the most common evil spirits pervading our society today is the demonic spirit of Jezebel.
The demonic spirit of Jezebel isn't just a dead queen that died over a thousand years ago, but it's an evil spirit that's extremely common and works across the world today.
Couple quick facts about the spirit of Jezebel:
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--It's a high-ranking spirit that is associated with women, but it can just as easily infiltrate men
--Its main goal is to infiltrate churches but can just as easily infiltrate groups of people / organizations
--It mainly works by mind games / manipulation
--Characterized by: lack of submission (refuses to submit to anyone), considers nothing sacred
--Absolutely hates anything with a backbone
1. Has children.
Meaning, if you don't deal with the Jezebel Spirit while it's in infancy, it will absolutely overpower you.
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Sin grows and therefore sin matures.
Looking to the past,
It's a very controlling spirit and it influenced King Herod in wanting the head of John the Baptist
The Jezebel spirit is highly attracted to (not in necessarily a good way. more in a hateful way) teachers, prophets, pastors , etc
2. Close-minded.
The Spirit of Jezebel likes to listen, but it refuses to change.
King Ahab, Jezebel's husband, liked listening to the prophet Eliijah, but did not walk with the Lord.
3. Manipulates and Controls.
King Ahab only did what he did bc his wife's instigation and control. He was basically just a puppet to Jezebel.
Today the spirit of Jezebel works commonly through Witchcraft to control the world via false prophecies and counterfeits. It is always working against God.
It is also a very patient spirit, slowly building relations so it can get closer and closer to the target:
When organizations crumble and people turn against each other, oftentimes they have no idea that the spirit of Jezebel is working behind the scenes.Quote:
--always works in secret
--creates subcultures / subchurches
--creates gossip + throws a lot of shade
--smiles in your face, but stabs you in the back
--cannot stand being in the light (aka being exposed)
--always fault-finding / blaming or shifting blame
--loves to manipulate / twist the truth
4. Hates authority
Has zero respect for authority, especially if it's God-ordained authority.
5. Entices using lust
The word fornication comes from the greek word (pornia aka porn). This spirit has infiltrated the church and the rest of the world.
The porn industry is a billion dollar industry and negatively affects all of us.
Sexual immorality closes the spiritual eyes and causes us to sin against the body.
6. Discourages and depresses.
It wants to make you quit and give up. It leads you to suicidal thoughts.
7. Instills fear on victims.
Its influence makes one irrationally fearful.
However, a positive lesson / takeaway we can derive from this is that the WORST thing you can do is RUN from a jezebel spirit.
When you confront this spirit head on, she loses power as it mainly likes to hide away and do witchcraft from behind the scenes.
When it's exposed it will blame shift / play victim.
8. Destroys altars.
Destroys the altars of God and replaces them with worldly altars. It hates prayer and it will often want to distract you from such things
9. Spiritually castrates you.
You will no longer be able to reproduce (more in a spiritual sense, but can affect you physically as well). Has a silencing / muting effect on victims
The Demonic Spirit of Oppression
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A creepy account / story from a pastor:
"So years ago, I was a young pastor and I had no idea the warfare I was going through. I remember one night in particular, I was in my room, and as I was trying to lie down, I felt like there was pressure on me. Almost as if someone was pushing my chest down. Then it got stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger. Then eventually I felt my heart seizing, my body seizing - it's like I couldn't breathe anymore.
And then I felt myself being engulfed in total darkness. I knew in that moment, I was dying. This is not an exaggerration. I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, I was dying.
And as I'm sitting there, taking my last breath, I remember a thought came into my head, And the thought said,
And the only thing I could come up with in that moment isQuote:
"Fight this. Fight it."
And the moment I said this, it was as if there was a release. I felt the pressure release immediately.Quote:
"I bind you spirit of oppression, in Jesus name"
But that's not the interesting part of the story, the interesting part is what happened next:
As I looked to my right (i'm still lying on my bed, it's dark and late),
I saw an entity:
And this entity was like a jellyfish, it was a mixture between a jellyfish and octopus.
It didn't have eyes as we would describe them, but it had some eye-like features, and it was just gazing with a perplexed look on his face...
... almost as if it was expressing,
And I knew too, that I wasn't supposed to see him. And watch this,Quote:
"You see me!?... You actually see me ..."
It literally began to vanish away.
So what am I saying, why did I share this story?
Am I trying to be sensational here? No, I'm trying to tell you something that's very important.
Right now, as we speak;
There are forces, invisible to the human eye, that have been working behind the scenes to hinder you, to hurt you, to attack you. And you aren't supposed to see or hear them. Bc their power is in their invisibility. This thing was trying to kill / destroy me in my sleep, without me having *one* inkling of knowledge about it.
Some of you are facing an invisible force, and they are banking on you not knowing that they're there."
The Demonic spirit of Tobias and Sanballot.
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There are different classes of enemies:
1. Misconception; there are some enemies that just "misunderstand you" because they heard something about you and interpreted it in the wrong way. Usually when they are corrected with the right information, they are cool with you.
2. Offended; there are some enemies that don't like you because you offended them. But, like enemies of misconception, things can be reconciled.
There is a third group, however, where no reconciliation can take place;
3. The demonic spirit of Tobias and Sanballot.
These were the Prophet Nehemiah's adversaries. Nehemiah wanted to build walls for the city but Tobias and Sanballot vowed that it wouldn't happen. They, along with other groups, not only wanted to see Nehemiah fall, but conspired to actually kill him.
Similarly, there will be some individuals / groups in our lives that simply hate us for who we are, and live to see our downfall.
And to make matters worse, these demonic surveillance systems in place mimic these very evil spirits, intentionally creating this illusion to have people turn against each other.
There is hope though;
With God on our side, like Nehemiah (and Jeremiah), we can all build ourselves up and rise to the top
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