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Anyone who has basic understanding of VI and isn't horrendous at it could easily type solely based on gaze (which is clearly present here in last couple of frames). I half-jokingly created this thread anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
It's possibly to suppose a type. But the more info - the higher chance to type correctly. If you'll follow the recommendations - the chance will be significantly higher. Among reasons - you'll behave more naturally on longer clip bein lesser able to control what you do and to relax - to arise the chance to understand you better.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
The main impression from the existing clip - N type, mb EIE. With normal typing clip - it may change.
Based on the seen and your behavior, I suspect N and/or P type. ESI would not risk to argue and to experiment so much.
You ask about your look - your image. This reminds EIE approach to play something.
The only typology thread you've created before is on border of appropriate (well known possible homosexuality human) - it's provoking thread. It's not ESI style to apatage on public for random people. For EIE - it's more expected.
You signature contains: "I AM YOUR HOLY TOTEM, I AM YOUR SICK TABOO, RADICAL AND RADIANT, I'M YOUR NIGHTMARE COMING TRUE, I AM YOUR WORST ENEMY, I AM YOUR DEAREST FRIEND, ... I'M THE ILLEGITIMATE SON OF GOD" etc pathos poetry. EIE - may, doubtful for ESI.
Your avatar in the profile contains hurted or dead woman. This is more expected for victimish Ni types, than for ESI.
"Occupation: despotic misanthrope"
Not fits good to Fi value to write such about yourself. Base Fi people prefer be cute, but not scarry people from the start. EIE - may, from a wish to "impress" (Fe) and what who likes there is secondary for them.
resume:
mb EIE
as I've pointed - you have a chance to get other type by normal typing video. where the chance to get base Fi is low
check LSI in my examples sometimes. mb you'll like them more than TN types
EIE
EIE but not my dual, sorry Sol
ESI-Se is pretty obvious. Gaze is far too fixed to be Ni ego
Hahah does anyone mind elaborating on the EIE typing aside from Sol?
My guess is basically “drama” in your energy/vibeQuote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
which can be there with the sx and 4 anyways even if ESI
also some Fi leads can be “scarry” (or at least what is perceived as such; usually E4 and sx again at play)
You don't look ESI to me. They're grounded folks, you look . . . floaty, not grounded.
You could be ESI or EIE. I've seen people of both types who seem like you... It all depends on what you value/don't value. Do you value money more or logic/strength? Do you dislike Ne or Si more? The answers to these questions would be key...
You seem ESI to me.
Sincerely, forum users may type you EIE for any myriad of reasons (maybe they have some misunderstanding, sometimes it seems like they use
EIE as a placeholder type) . @Sol maybe is the one user that doesn't operate by the typing standards of this site, one of the few who take typing seriously, (and he can be right or wrong even with that).
You cannot know type from gaze, as categorizing "gaze" from type to type is a highly subjective process involving your own assestment, that can be dependent on your ITR, personal experiences...
Now, I am not trained in type diagnostics, but I can share my (Subjective, thus not crucial) experience and that might help; Some time ago I had interactions with a man whom I think is ESI, by test, observable traits, expression of functions and ITR (Take into account that my typing of him might be wrong). Although the example I am using is a male, I think I can say you do not seem similar at all to this person.
Edit;
If you are completely sure to be a sensing & feeling type, it might help to take a look into SEE or ESE.
No, not enough. 4D Fe> 4D Fi, if you want explanations, uploading a longer video would be more useful.
My smoke ring VI expertise is too underdeveloped.
Ni types=Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...HHTHg&usqp=CAU
@serenaeva, in stills, you look ESI to me. In your video, you look like my SLI-Te ex. Maybe I’m seeing function dimensionality.
People don’t understand what drama means within the context of Fe. They assume that everyone with even a slightly dark or dramatic appearance is an EIE. They believe that all ESIs act and look like Angela from The Office.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
EIE>ESI
Beta. Very beta-ish
I get some Fi impressions, but not sure. No way in hell you are an EIE though.
Ha. Oh my. You're like a real life succubus pet for Warlocks.
I can't tell your type from the video though. It's too short- and you need to talk about your real values more rather than just sexily trolling for the camera. Sexy trolling for camera = Beta, but only in a superficial way. I don't think you are Beta either- at least not yet. But I understand boundaries and if you don't wanna do this type of thing.
Looks like Ne typesQuote:
Originally Posted by Akira
Definitely Ne.Quote:
Originally Posted by jason_m
What type of strength are we talking about? I suppose mental since you've paired it up with logic.
What's Beta about me?Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
I'm seeing her tomorrow. Will report back type confirmation
Not sure how one generalizes that with such emphasis from a 10s video clipQuote:
Originally Posted by aster
im not going by gaze, I’m going by everything I can see in the 10 second clip (what I have)and what I know of socionics to reach the most likely Quadra and type in my opinion. Other people are evidently seeing a similar thing.
@mfckrz, I’m assuming she’s your friend and you assume your dual and maybe that’s why you are defensive on my opinion about her 10 second clip (I didn’t think I emphasized it that much, but it’s telling you think so :)) , but that’s all she gave and that was my opinion from from what I know and what I had to work with. I’m sorry if you didn’t like it. I just wonder if you would have said anything if I said she was ”ESI>EIE Gamma. Very Gamma-ish, form a 10 second clip” (me thinks not :))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weZAmAwR2EQQuote:
Originally Posted by Akira
Language is irrelevant here
lmao speaking of Ni types looking stoned ..
the cognitive typology system pretty much has Ni lead VIing as philosopher's stoners. Akira is not far off...
https://i.ibb.co/Bw6Lmc6/image.png
The example of related behavior was pointed above. Besides VI impressions.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
Reading normal typology book by Filatova may help to understand the said to you.
In case you want discussions. With high speculativity of behavior analysis, it's easier to disagree than to protect the opinion. Feel free to try proof your ESI type at first. Besides lulz, you'll then get more right to ask for arguments from others.
Also
In case you indeed want your behavior was analyzed you'd should do a good-long questionnaire. Though, the problem will be that you know some types theory and have a predisposition to assign yourself some types to easily filter the info in this format (partly not intentionally). Your nonverbal and behavior on the forum is more appropriate to think about the type.
You from the title(!) push people to assign some type, it's about the degree you want to get it instead of objectivity. You rejected to give normal typing materials while knew what is needed, and what strongly reduced the typing objectivity - with the similar aim to arise the chance to get wished type. You hope on high conformism of local noobs and make actions to support it, but not to get the truth about yourself. With F types it's common situation when they want to have some types and roleplay for them. Examples, when it's expected: 1) they think someone meaningful having some type and want to have better IR with him, 2) they got opinion about their type from someone meaningful and want to agree with him, 3) they want their type fited better to their actual or wished occupation. F types are motivated by emotions much, including in thinking what is correct in logical region as a type.
P.S.
If you want to play some type (this can be funny, just use other accounts), - find those ones on forums ( @aster is among ESI examples), IRL and other places, and behave close like them. It's doubtful you'll can fool by typing videointerview, but forum texts (incl. questionnaire) may allow it much easier. Photos have a chance to be falsificated in this way too, especially by women with makeup.
a method to make Ni eyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Akira
Well, ESI are mostly like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxPcWcSNwA
They spend their days repeating words to a webcam.
Or like this
https://youtu.be/dcx2shirGaw?t=2664
Either ESI or some weird type of EIE. I like your style!
All I can see from your visible behaviour, is Fe-accentuation. It doesn't mean you have a high Fe-dimensionality. You can check about accentuation if you are interested.
As I understand it (from the tiny piece of evidence I have), your online activity is a way to unwind (which is common). It might make it difficult to see who you are (it is likely you show unusual functions for you) , and therefore to propose an accurate typing.
Wow, the frenzy plant production factory of this Hobbit's Leaf is very edgy and gamble cube shocking. To go by the imposter team rocket director, and put the mouse in the escape hatch, maybe something here is kind of bad dressup or chemical accelrator bombardment overdriven.
She seems very testing of limits. And she seems very ghostly, kind of like a faded rose.
Hey, if you're extraverted, you can make major statements, and don't have to do anything too clouded or massive.
So for stunts, action, movie stars, maybe she is going to the headquarters of sonic the hedgehog crazy shadow hair!!
It would probably be more useful to post a video of yourself acting relatively naturally. It’s hard for me to get any certain ideas about your type from your video; I could see a few types. But your signature does not strike me as something any ESI I’ve ever known would relate to, for what it’s worth.
It's the lyrics to the KMFDM song Stray Bullet.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
I don't see musical or artistic preferences as saying much about a person's type, and the song in particular is not something most people would relate to (ESI or not), since it falls somewhat outside the mainstream.
Quite a lot outside the mainstream, haha. One could sporadically stumble upon a few of their songs on school shooter-themed playlists but that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
Of course it'd be an Ne ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaptorWizard
Yes totally
any sx4 fi type
That's right. People in here seem to be conflating sx4 disposition with "Beta behavior".Quote:
Originally Posted by them
Katherine Fauvre: Mistyping Sexual 4s as 8s;
The Innate Nature of Enneagram Type 4 and et cetera
The school shooter association is most unfortunate...they're a good band, but it seems to me they weren't remembered for anything else when I read youtube comments of their videos. :rolleyes: LolQuote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
Been living with her for 10 days. Still ESI.
And your goal is?Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz
I see Se more than Fe.
But yeah ESI E4 is like that. There's many of them in the show business. EIEs lack the physicality, EIE women are generally more nervous and 'extroverted.
The only alternative which could make sense Is SEE. But generally they're more energetic and engaging.
After 10 years she'll be conflictorQuote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz
J/k wish u the best mate.
Okay you're definitely an ESI.
lmao
Being in loveQuote:
Originally Posted by BrightDemonSheep96
how do you distinguish love from a 10 day infatuation?Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz
You'll know best about it as you're the one living with her and probably have more information than a small video gesticulating (forum users have far less knowledge on the situation, thus their opinion is far less crucial) but I think it might be appropiate to try and fit things without a direct assestment. It might be that you are both compatible in other way, and being infatuated might make you lean towards thinking your partner should be the supposed best option possible by "socionics" when in fact a ton of conditions external to socionics might influence compatibility in a partner. Socionics is not all for relationships, if she is or isn't actually your socionics dual it should mean pretty much nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz
Usually Ip's have eyes wide open and Ep's have quite closed eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by HookahGirl420
Well, we'd known each other for almost a year prior to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milo
There's also no need to somehow attempt to justify the authenticity of a subjective and sentimental experience to someone who is not at all there to feel and observe it to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz
None of your business. Stick to being Fi PoLR, you wouldn't get it even if we attempted to elaborately explicate anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrightDemonSheep96
I do not at all believe that this is a "i like them so they must be my dual" typing. We got along perfectly from the moment we met each other and even in spite of that i typed myself (and he typed me) ILI for the longest time. It wasn't until we started video chatting and i opened up more that we both settled for ESI > ILI > any other type.Quote:
Originally Posted by RBRS
He doesn't necessarily say that you type yourself as ESI because of that. However, most people can fall into that trap, I would suspect of anyone who is in love :D hence he is saying heads up for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
If you want to get serious typing from others, sharing a longer video would make more sense.
They're not necessarily saying that but they're alluding to the potentiality of it and all i'm doing is elaborating on why that's not particularly likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by myresearch
Then you should understand that we have a very small video sample and know you too little for us to have an accurate assestment on your type (Plus consider what I've said in the previous post, most users here actually type through caricatures of types or likes and dislikes except @Sol for what I've seen). Also I have seen just a video in which I saw a very different thing to what I've experienced with ESI plus ESI's I've seen on video that are practically clones to the ESI male I'm talking about in VI, non-verbal, what they say (Specially the female one). I usually think there's a common "core" to types that can be recognizable but the problem is that the traits and the typings have practically zero empirical proof,and are invalid to be taken seriously, specially after contradictory statements on traits, IM expression or ITR which are measures to core socionics theory claims and thus are more valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
There you have two videos of what I'm talking about;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj-NFrm_Qvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gRrmIKUUgQ
As I've said Visual identification lacks validity, VI and non-verbal traits are just mere anecdotal observations that are not verifiable nor definitive (Specially, when anybody can be wrong about being any type as there's still no totally valid methodology on typing, just only competing claims) plus my typing of the male ESI I'm talking plus the typing of the two above mentioned might be wrong, or the traits I'm measuring are not crucial, or I lack enough information on you or I lack the VI capacity for this. I don't have enough info about you nor do I have the best VI abilities to give you a typing as accurate as someone you know more, has more info about you and you even live together thus testing ITR daily. Also take into account that it is perfectly reasonable to think an assestment might be less accurate due o feelings involved. I suggest you take no consideration for forum typings and instead either find your type yourself or contact some "professional" (There's no verifiable method nor school thus there's no way of measuring professionality in socionics, I'm meaning someone with years of reading, interpreting, developing and playing around with the theory) that has a version of socionics you trust and a methodology you consider to be the appropiate way of typing, specially when forum users can be very misguided or have too little example to give you proper assestment, and it can throw you into confusion to be typed as something that's very different or practically opposite to how you are, think, behave and have consistently done in the past, struggles, etc.
Yeah I know. Since people are generally prone to believe that they are perfect for each other when they are in love. I also get suspicious when a person says they are in love with their dual. It is not a personal thing and they might be actually dual. However, since it is probable for a person to claim that they are dual when they are not because of their feelings, I also would say that they may not be.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
Your video is very short, none of us could have strong opinion about your type. However, due to your feelings, both of you may not be objective about this. So both of you right now are not a reliable source in the eyes of majority, although you may be objective and be each other's dual.
It just sounded like the other party has put you into mind control experiments in order to change your personality. I'm not against it... it is your choice but be careful when a scapel comes near to your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
Lol, why mind control…?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrightDemonSheep96
Very obvious ESI from the start. Some of you wouldn’t know how to snuff out a Beta NF if one bit you in the ass. Fuck, I’m starting to sound like She-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named. :lol:
I may contribute a sophisticatedly long, yet borderline asinine technical explanation including VI and functions ~later~... If I’m not too occupied since I always have very busy days everyday, even when I’m at rest I’m planning yadda yadda and I’m driving to Chicago (~4 hours away from where I live) tomorrow so... we shall see.
I do see a dual relationship going on between you and mfckrz easily working in harmony in my mind, especially the way you respond to him in the thread solidifies the ESI typing in my mind.
Sx4s can be a bit tricky to pin down within the Socionics system so I try not to jump into it so quickly- I was pondering your type for days now, I think. :p I may even change my mind and go with EIE in the future if I see some evidence that makes it make sense to me spring up but I am doubting it at the moment.
Yeah, she's ESI. She has the 'vibe' of an EIE but that's mostly because she is 4w3, and that one type is stereotypically 'beta-ish'. The way how serenaeva replies into the posts in this thread reminds me of the way how a certain ESI interacted with others on my old socionics forum. So, ESI could be the best bet.
To be completely honest, since joining the DarkAngelFireWolf69 cult (lol) you seem EIE to me. However a year ago I might have thought you were Gamma SF. There seems to be different ideas about what constitutes a type. Per this forum particularly, and from certain users, I completely understand why others or yourself would type you ESI. Because the stereotypical idea of what is Gamma with them, or Fi base in general, seems a tad bit different imo. Which is right, it’s hard to say, but you have to go with what makes more sense to yourself. That’s exactly what I’m doing. Sometimes it conflicts with others.
anyway, I’m sorry if I offended you by saying you seemed more eie to me, because in my mind, in the current framework im thinking in, you do :shrug: maybe I should not have said anything because I get the feeling you weren’t really interested in hearing conflicting opinions on your type. And I knew that when I posted my opinion.
if being ESI makes since in the framework you are thinking in, I think that’s ok, too :yup: I sincerely think there is no way of proving which is right exactly at this time.
people are saying that it’s obvious you are ESI from your piercing gaze, and you do have one in that video, it seems, but in the same breath are saying it’s impossible to say you are a different type from the same video. this confuses me, as these statements seem to me to contradict each other, so I can only suppose that that the people that do so are a bit bias in opinion.
@serenaeva, I know that I base my typing activities from a very limited database of examples, but from your short video, I'd have guessed that you were SLI, like my ex-wife. I really see a strong resemblance there. All I can say is that I chose my ex for subconscious reasons, plus whatever natural attraction I have for women with 4D Si.
It would be nice if you posted a longer video. :)
On the other hand, I also type by avatar pictures and by writing style, and I'd say that your writing style seems very close to the very distinctive style of @ashlesha, and no one seems to doubt that she's ESI.
If we were to ignore the @ashlesha comparison i'd thank you, i suppose. She cannot string a sentence together to save her life. Aside from her mysterious newfound usage of the words "ostensibly" and "sporadically" (that she picked up on after she observed me and @mfckrz using them), our writing styles could not possibly have less in common... even if we both tried. Whatever type she is, i don't have her pinned down as ESI. Ditziness and general lack of intelligence =/= :Fi::Se:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Pro tip: usage of fancy words doesn't make you seem more intelligent, only pretentious.
If you’re such a tough SLE, you could at least @ people. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
I'm sure she (they) will see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by flames
Your perception of them as "fancy" says much more about your alleged intelligence or lack thereof than mine. I like being descriptive and attempt to be an effective speaker. Certain words have a specific meaning that might come closest to accurately pinning down what i have in mind and so long as one has the capacity to use verbiage that's not idiotically vague and low in complexity, i don't at all see why one wouldn't want to do that. Priding yourself on being dense is not a good look on anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
Fair enough. Don’t mind me, I just felt the tension rising in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
So you do think fancy words are a sign of intelligence. There's a difference between being precise and trying to substitute a flowery word every time a common one would do the job perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
Even Shakespeare said that "Brevity is the soul of wit."
And he wrote a lot.
While I am defending you at the same time since people wanna lump people together, this was really rude and uncalled for towards ashlesha. I think she’s just as much ESI as you are and there’s nothing wrong with that, there’s variance in all types and she’s extremely intelligent having known her for, what, 5 years now. Writing style might have some loose correlation with type but just because she’s not a 4 and therefore not trying to be special with gem bedazzled words (and yeah, I’m still doing it a bit myself here, because I’m also probably a dramatic 4 like you, so I know where you’re coming from— I’m not trying to explicitly take sides here, that’s why I’m defending both of you, but at the end of the day I’m taking her side over a relatively new person).Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
FTR, I read @Northstar’s post after I read serenaeva’s, sorry for the mix up. Thought it was just a sneak diss on me only.
I never alleged that, I merely pointed out that criticism of more complex language typically signifies insecurities related to intelligence and that perceiving them as "fancy" is odd given the fact that in my mind they're simple, go-to words for describing different thought processes better rather than advanced terminology of any kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
Jack Dorsey is one of the most categorically reductionist and concrete thinkers i can generally think of ("My goal is to simplify complexity"; "Make every detail perfect and limit the number of details to perfect") and in spite of my animosity re: Twitter and personal opinion that it's essentially a LiveJournal knockoff, i would most definitely not say he's unintelligent. I realize that you do not like me but instead of incorrectly paraphrasing and putting words into my mouth, it'd be nice to attempt to actually objectively analyse the statements i make. I put fancy in quotes for a reason.
I could say "Wow, that's a big chair" while having a smaller chair i maybe used to own or a smaller chair nearby at the back of my mind. The actual chair's size on the other hand might not be unorthodox and/or notably large so if i were to express myself this way, someone could easily weigh in and say that the chair does not actually seem particularly big. In return i would have to elaborate on how i meant to express that it's bigger than the one near it and rather than going through this whole process, it'd pragmatically make more sense for me to say the chair is relatively or comparatively big so it does indeed largely boil down to precision.
You're also completely ignoring the fact that as a supposed ESI (and an E4 for the cherry on top), my sense of like dislike and potential tendency to indulge in aesthetic sensibilities would be rather strong. I don't like seeing repetition and pay careful attention to the way a thought reads re: aesthetic and sonic pleasure. What i also happen to habitually do is rather than using very *insert adjective here* shortly after i already have in the same or nearby sentence, i'd perhaps go for quite and et cetera. It's called not being a horrendous writer. You cannot seem to relate and while there's nothing wrong with that in of itself and it's not something i would otherwise point out or judge you over, at the very least i would expect the same amount of respect in return. It's more than obvious that this whole exchange is born out of personal dislike and bias on your part anyhow.
Yeah, sure. And anyone who has observed you and Ashton a bit more on here will realize that the ornate vocabulary serves image purposes. Of course it could have other reasons as well. But yeah, I admit that image triad antics personally annoy me. I'm not claiming it's unbiased, nobody is.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
^See, this is exactly why I think she’s ESI and not EIE. She is simplifying things to her own taste rather than broadening it towards her’s and everyone else’s taste and allowing her own tastes/likes/dislikes to be lost. She is functioning as an Ij type, even in a lengthy post that is a bit uncharacteristic of her so far (which I love because we can really dissect her cognition here). That is the essence of Fi, and she is not hesitating to go straight into it, which is Se. XD
EIE is more concerned with social stances, sides, boundaries, and preserving the atmosphere. Which doesn’t mean our only purpose in life is to kiss ass - it just means we are ignoring our Fi in favor of things that don’t even cross an average to unhealthy ESI’s mind or seem absolutely superficial to them (and in the same way I often make fun of or even find distasteful stereotypically Fi things, especially -Fi like in ESI and IEE [IEE I tend to clash with more and yes I’m speaking of a personal dislike of my own here, but I am not Fi blind... if I was really Fi valuing I wouldn’t be so willing to share anything and everything about mine and others’ lives when the opportunity arises]). :shock:
I don’t particularly care for the standard MBTI idea of Fe, or MBTI Fe influenced idea of enneagram 2 as well~ but there is a speck of truth to many stereotypes, and it’s true that Fe is more likely to try to mend things in a tense atmosphere if they feel that is what must be done for the group to keep things sailing... Or they may just as well be the instigator in the stress, for the very same reason (most typically known of Beta Fe and -Fe, but every Fe ego whether Alpha or Beta can take Fe BOTH ways). I don’t see this persistent Fe itch in her to the slightest degree, so ESI & Fe Ignoring seems likely to me. :)
The fact that she waited until after some beef was starting to rise to explain what she truly meant instead of already taking the group’s feelings into consideration IS FE IGNORING AS FUCK!!!
Yes, but what about -Fe? Stirring things up, and conflicts? One has to question the motivation for making this thread. Not to mention the seemingly out of nowhere swipe at ashlesha, unless I’m missing something. The thing about EIE’s is that they are the actors. They are good at putting themselves in a mindset and being that. Which is why a lot of them are often mistaken in their own type.Quote:
Originally Posted by flames
i personally have noticed that Fe doms often like to cultivate their vocabs and are often very interested in being precise with language due to Ti valuing and this is often even more the case with EIE bc the Ti and Ni valuing often make for wanting to pin down concepts precisely and communicate them precisely. Te valuers imo are more concerned with what works; as long as the meaning is adequately conveyed, flowery language isn't necessary.
then there is the reason for the flowery language, which is about presenting as a certain image, which is kinda in the realm of Fe, and can seem strange for Fe ignoring.
so anyway, it could be true ppl are strongly associating sx 4 with beta NF, but I'm just saying this is kinda why.
however you do strangely remind me a bit of Lana del Rey who I think is ESI lol
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough in what I said, I apologize— I did mention -Fe and I said Fe egos take Fe both ways, as in positively and negatively with the function of Fe itself. And I’m aware it could just be -Fe at play here, but as someone who shits -Fe for breakfast, I’m not seeing this. :p I see -Fi above everything- something that is exotic and individualistically stubborn in a way that has taken me my whole life up until NOW to learn how to properly emulate because it is simply not of my true nature when I’m left to my own devices. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
That seemingly random bash on her is -Fi charged in this case. Yes, EIEs are excellent actors and yes, they can be aggressively loud about stuff including OTHER PEOPLE (which is where -Fi and -Fe are pretty easy to mix up, yes, especially considering that -Fi is most often known for being paired with Se a la ESI... but the thing is EIE is only acting like ESI in this way for the sake of a high seat with whatever crowd they’re after and/or doing it to defend “their people” [Us Vs. Them / Beta Subservience Complex comes into play here, as well :whistle:).
She did not seem “floaty” to me in her brief video either, her gaze was extremely focused, and it did not merely appear “focused” because she was really just zoning out and staring into one spot for awhile because of that (which is often the case for Intuitive types who only appear focused either for this reason or when they’re truly hyperfocusing on something that is deeply stimulating their mind... She knows exactly what she’s doing in the video, IMO, and not only knows but delivers the Image effortlessly like I would expect from an xSFx Image type).
With all due respect, if you took background context into account - "uncalled for" is the last thing you'd be describing my response as. I'd only ever been nice and welcomingly neutral towards the woman, it's her that decided i needed to be knocked down a peg and withstand public and jealousy-driven pseudo character assassinations born out of her passive-aggressiveness and cruel remarks about me.Quote:
Originally Posted by flames
Long story short, all she does is unfortunately partake in what one might call relational aggression like every other woman with an unstable sacral chakra (and i say this half-jokingly) because i reportedly "stole" @mfckrz from her.
For ex.: Publicly discusses her already grown up son's first boner and simultaneously turns around and alleges i am attention-seeking for whatever reason (as well as decides to delete aforementioned comment later so that she won't have to finally take responsibility at least once in her life) and similarly repeats the cycle, albeit in different ways.
As far as her intelligence and the way she typologically metabolizes information is concerned (re: ESI or not) - we can easily agree to disagree and while i'm sure your experiences with her might've been different, what i am attempting to get to is that this is not me being "rude" out of seemingly nowhere although it understandably appeared to be the case. At the end of the day she's a middle-aged woman that's already established rapport with a decently large chunk of the forum users and i'm a random 18 year old newbie that doesn't know anyone here aside from Ashton but am somehow apparently deserving of extraordinary amounts of hostility solely because people assume i am "arrogant" and because i don't really have an amazing tendency to be overly yielding towards the social atmosphere.
@aster (re: the "swipe at ashlesha")
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Originally Posted by inumbra
You are right on the bullseye with this, especially with it being almost overboard in EIE due to the added Ni... but it’s not exclusive to Beta NFs. Beta NFs may stereotypically be the poets, but there is a significant number of ESIs who are even more skilled at it, if I must say, and that’s especially the case with popular modern contemporary poets. And I include Lana Del Rey in that crowd since she’s even released a whole poetry book of her own, and Lana Del Rey is exactly who she is reminiscent of to me, so I’m glad you brought her up. :) Lana Del Rey is pretty much universally typed ESI or IEI, with some SEI votes thrown in, too, and she is widely known for and made fun of for not “being able to read the room” (the function of Fe, if anything). Ex. she is constantly put on the burner and “cancelled” for things she says and does that goes against public social common sense (Fe Ignoring, again). It seems more like this is the case here for her, as well.
idk @flames, I’m not completely buying it :P nothing against you lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by flames
I think one difference is people are using enneagram to justify the typing and I prefer to leave that out and decide on enneagram after socionics type. maybe in the future I’ll find it useful but for now it just seems as a way to provide justification for inconsistencies in someone’s socionics type, to me. so yeah that’s prob one reason I’m saying ‘this seems beta’ and other are blaming it on enneagram.
as for the swipe on ashlesha. I’m not sure what’s going on with that, exactly. A past dispute? an attempt to stir things up?
I’ve seen beta nfs act pretty catty before, but it seems someone touched a soft spot.
Oh, ok. Thanks :) I’m not taking sides here, but I was wondering if it was something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
I think the real issue is that I always, always have to look at everything as one connection and one part of another part of the whole, so for me it’s almost impossible to type in one system without having at least an idea of what the person is in another system for the idea of the person to be complete in my head. You are Ne Ignoring so a lot of what I say here is probably baseless blah blah with fluff on top, I understand that. :P I don’t even wholeheartedly think I am correct and you are wrong or that your singular system approach is wrong (because technically, that is RIGHT if we’re going by the book here :p So you may be the right one, and I’m fine with that if she truly turns out to be EIE).Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
And while I think that’s THE issue here, I think MY issue is that I just simply don’t see her as an extravert, especially Ej temperament of all extraverts. Perhaps we have not seen enough to tell (and we haven’t, lol). I would buy SEE before EIE, actually, but then the problem with that is that I’m really struggling to see the extraversion and Irrationality (at least we can all agree she’s a Rational type :p) if I were to go with that choice. A charming 10 second video does not an extravert make.
We are all on Discord together so if there’s ever a day where we’re all on voice chat together, that would really settle things here.
But the thing is, there is inconsistencies in everyone’s Socionics type, and with every typology system standing alone, which is why we like to mix them all together for the full picture. As for the dispute, I don’t know, I just saw drama and jumped in immediately without even reading everything beforehand... which is the essence of -Fe as I spoke of the essence of Fi, and this behavior is retarded to most ESIs, haha, just like an ESI randomly going straight for someone’s neck without the person already being part of some group gossip talk seems retarded to me.
Well, I hope OP doesn’t mind, but there is one certain person on this forum whose opinion I personally think a lot of when it comes to these things. @thehotelambush, if you have the time to comment, what do you think about this thread? Is this -Fi or -Fe we are seeing here, if you don’t mind having a look?
I see. I don’t think it’s my place to speak on any of this - I’m primarily here for the battletyping, Lol. I’m sorry for both sides that all of this had to be unraveled here, I hope it wasn’t all my fault lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
You're comically stating this as if you're explicating on a categorical fact (re: alleged image purposes) but that's just your subjective interpretation of our behavioural motivations, which at the end of the day only me and Ashton can be certain of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
I talk the way i talk merely because it resonates with and feels natural to me. It's as simple as that. Whether you'll believe that or not couldn't concern me less but since i apparently have to point out the obvious - if my drive to express myself this way was merely or even partly image-oriented, i would have at the very least attempted to perhaps take it down a notch given how negatively people seem to react to it.
My goal here isn't appealing to an audience of some sort or being perceived a certain way. It all boils down to staying true to myself, as well as obviously seeking potentially enriching conversations and entertaining my natural curiosity.
People on the other hand are obviously more than allowed to like or dislike my natural self-expression... i won't demonize someone for not loving me, i myself cannot say i am fond of every single person. The difference being - when i recognize an individual that doesn't appeal to me, what i tend to do is ignore them and keep said judgement to myself unless provoked in some manner.
Contrastingly, what you and other users here are partaking in is petty targeting and cyberbullying (partly referring to Discord server exchanges), solely due to the fact that you're assigning potentially malicious or "superficial" motivations to my disposition.. regardless whether these judgements are congruent with reality or not. And you're sadly more eager to attack than attempt to further understand and/or in some capacity make sure you're not incorrectly ganging up on a girl twice as young on the internet for no fucking reason.
Not only VI but also writing style fits EIE imo, even more actually.
Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck what your age is and obviously Ashton doesn't either (or does he?). You obviously made this thread for attention seeking and you got it, so why don't you just enjoy it instead of whining about cyberbullying.Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
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Originally Posted by Northstar
Well, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz;[URL="tel:1453016"
You might not like her, but she's no dummy and is pretty well-read with a decent vocabulary. She didn't magically start using pretty normal words just because you did. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by serenaeva
However, I agree that you don't have similar writing styles. And to further distinguish between the two of you, there's a distinct lack of image presentation in her, whereas yours seems pretty carefully crafted. IOW, grounded person vs floaty image person. Substance vs smoke as it were.
PS: That's a reference to the video and the first impressions you give off. I know absolutely nothing about you besides what I've seen in this thread, so it really is just a "first impression" kind of take.
Yeah. I don't think I'm very good at poetry. Fantasy adventure writing maybe but not poetry. I think people sometimes encouraged me to do more poetry-ish things growing up because I wasn't athletic and if you weren't athletic you had to be a moody emo type person.Quote:
Beta NFs may stereotypically be the poets, but there is a significant number of ESIs who are even more skilled at it, if I must say, and that’s especially the case with popular modern contemporary poets.
I've always thought ESIs are way better poets than IEIs- although I definitely 'feel things deeply', my feelings and experiences also feel too pure, bright and raw for poetry or something- as poetry often involves this sophisticated and uppity complication that is definitely more gamma than beta.
Poetry is also dark- and my very persona is way too shiny.
I'm hungry and horny
And I wanna fuck you in the ass
There's my poetry.
Reading a great deal doesn't imply comprehension, but okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
I don't get the 'floaty' descriptor. I'm around her all the time, she tends to be quite present and situationally aware. I'm arguably more 'floaty' than she is, as much as I wouldn't want to admit.Quote:
However, I agree that you don't have similar writing styles. And to further distinguish between the two of you, there's a distinct lack of image presentation in her, whereas yours seems pretty carefully crafted. IOW, grounded person vs floaty image person. Substance vs smoke as it were.
Like I said, first impressions. Was a short video and she seemed detached to me in it. I might have completely different impressions if I saw her in real life, actually interacting with the world. This is the first time I've ever seen her, so I don't have any of the background information or context that you have. Like taking a couple words out of a whole book and forming an idea from it. I got an idea, but with more context it might turn out to be wildly inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz
I had a ESI gf Who was like serena, we were both quite young and She didn't want to be with me because i was too poor. Still im pretty sure she was ESI.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
My current wife Is like ashlesha. But i have a lot more money now. You could say that my previous GF was just too impatient.