Which Types Do You Think Are The Most Common?

I was just wondering which types you think are the most common, and which types you seem to frequently encounter. I also wonder which types you don’t come across often. Please know that my thoughts are just based on experience, not statistics. Statistics are valuable, but there are not a lot of statistics in Socionics.

I find that Si bases are the most common. I always seem to encounter a ton of SEIs and SLIs. ESEs are definitely one of the more common types as well. I also think that ESIs and LSIs are quite common, with ESIs being more common than LSIs. I think that LSEs are also pretty common, but I don’t come across a lot of them IME. I come across more SEEs than LSEs in my life. SLEs are pretty rare IMO; I only met a few of them.

Out of the intuitives, I find Delta NFs to be the most common. Alpha NTs and Beta NFs are rare, but I definitely come across some of them. Gamma NTs are very rare.

To be completely honest, I’m not sure enough to say. I don’t get out much, for one. And for another, I think I’d have to study up on socionics a lot and be pretty confident in my typings of people to say, and then maybe I could write a bunch of people down and their types and come up with a number, because I think it’s possible to be prone to bias and selective memory otherwise. Recently my understanding has changed and I think I may have been wrong about a lot of people, so now I’m having to rewrite my complete understanding....and I’m noticing there a lot more gammas and betas than I originally realized. So there’s that. But you could also argue it’s because I’m leaning more on DarkAngelFireWolf69s system now.

It highly depends on where I'm at. If I'm at work, usually at HQ I see an equal smattering of the quadras and at the plants, I see mostly betas and deltas with a few (literally 1 or 2) alphas and slightly more gammas.

If I'm at a family gathering, it is a sea of deltas

In the environment I was raised in I'd say betas.

Depends on the setting- in everyday real world settings I see a lot of ESEs/SEEs/SLEs/ESIs/LSEs/SLIs. I stereotypically see a lot of LIIs like in academia or a library or the work place but not so much in say- the laundromat or arcade or grocery store or the gym because their Se polr avoids a lot of places like that. I don't see LIEs much either for some weird reason- tho I know American Society is littered with 'em. I imagine both Se & Si polr would make you avoid a lot of places & stick to your 'home turf' a lot? Te polr too kinda but not as much as those. (other IEIs are kinda rare but I still see them quite a bit along with SEIs)

I see ILIs from time to time. It's so-so. It seems they prefer just going to school and/or work then home, or the extra places they go to are way different then the extra places I would go to.

I don't see a lot of LSIs- but when I do- they always carry themselves like they can't decide on whether they want to become a cop or be a criminal & go to prison. (at least the males) They look torn and like they're always internally fighting something inside? (but it's often hot to me) SLEs usually feel a lot more relaxed and less tense (but also boring as hell to me- the way duality usually works.) I usually only really fully appreciate them until way after the fact or I realize it's the best thing I needed but by then it was probably too late. SLE males are often like the stereotypical criminal bad boy type, the porn star type, the generic nice Chad working at Mcdonalds/construction worker type - or just the boring nice dad type.

ILEs like to be in control of what they are in control of- but I don't see them that often because they don't really like to show up unless they have full and total control IMNSHO. They really dual-seek Si to teach them to be more balanced and in harmony with everything lol. If they don't want control they just wanna be somewhere where they can blend in with other Alphas and laugh and guffaw and be loud a lot.

LSEs are common enough. They are usually Republican cowboys who hate fags & love rules and authority and/or religion or whatever. ((my obvious conflictor)) yeah not every LSE is going to be like that but - it's pretty common in America.

Sorry guys, but SEI is the rarest, most special type. We are a rose among thorns. The brightest bulbs in the sky.

In my experience, betas are the most common, with gammas and alphas being pretty commn too. Delta is more uncommon, especially rational deltas. I've met more SLI-IEE than EII-LSE, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ave

Delta is more uncommon, especially rational deltas. I've met more SLI-IEE than EII-LSE, I'd say.

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Delta's are special like nocturnal animals. You'll never know when you walk past them in the middle of the night... but they know, trust me.
SLI
https://i.imgur.com/mXyzkN1.jpg
IEE
https://i.imgur.com/oKakZVh.jpg
LSE
https://i.imgur.com/TtevbhN.jpg
EII
https://i.imgur.com/Kg6Csdu.jpg

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Originally Posted by Poptart

Sorry guys, but SEI is the rarest, most special type. We are a rose among thorns. The brightest bulbs in the sky.

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A poptart in the toaster.

There is nothing to suppose they are not close to equally spreaded.
The difference is possible from a point of concrete human which may notice some types better and which has an activity attractive for some types.

Depends where you are. You'll meet different types at a Wisconsin cheese festival than you will at a Hollywood party or a corporate business meeting or wherever.

Interests and activities are often grouped by club ime (ie more NFs at a poetry slam and more STs at a car show) and workplace environments have different mixes of types based on the individual workplace and the industry.

The best shot at trying to figure this out would probably be at a high school. Even housing communities and neighborhoods are bound to attract certain types.

Where I am
Deltas (specifically irrational) and alphas. Followed by gamma, then beta.
I'd say SFs in general are pretty common. I don't think alpha NTs are all that rare. Or maybe I"m just good at finding them?

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Originally Posted by chocolatte

Where I am
Deltas (specifically irrational) and alphas. Followed by gamma, then beta.
I'd say SFs in general are pretty common. I don't think alpha NTs are all that rare. Or maybe I"m just good at finding them?

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I agree with Betas being *probably* being the rarest quadra. In my experience, I find Beta irrationals to be rarer than Beta rationals. I only met a few IEIs and like 2 SLEs. I have yet to meet a SLE-N or SLE-H. I only met 1 SLE-C and 1 SLE-D.

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Originally Posted by eiemo

I agree with Betas being *probably* being the rarest quadra. In my experience, I find Beta irrationals to be rarer than Beta rationals. I only met a few IEIs and like 2 SLEs. I have yet to meet a SLE-N or SLE-H. I only met 1 SLE-C and 1 SLE-D.

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aw. that bodes ill for my finding of duals!

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Originally Posted by DeliMeat

The best shot at trying to figure this out would probably be at a high school. Even housing communities and neighborhoods are bound to attract certain types.

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Gotta agree. Be pretty sweet if registering for an email account required an accurate socionics typing. :cat::cat::cat:

I’m not sure there is much meaningful difference. The only possible trend I can maybe make out is that intuitive types are rarer than sensors. I’ve known many more ESIs than EIIs, SLIs than ILIs, SLEs than ILEs, and so on. Even for duals this seems accurate: more ESE than LII, more LSI than EIE. My theory is that intuitives represent more evolutionary risk since they’re more mentally unstable in certain respects. I could imagine a society of only SLIs functioning; I can’t really say the same of ILIs. Can you imagine?? Or ILEs. Or EIEs. Even XII might appear to be the most temporarily successful of all the intuitive types, but only up until the point we start getting hungry; then we’d get too bitchy to work with each other and collectively starve.

In my experience, S-types were five times more plentiful than N-types, F-types were twice more plentiful than T-types, and p-types were slightly more plentiful than j-types so I concluded that XSFps must comprise the biggest group followed closely by XSFjs.

a.k.a. I/O

Betas are quite common in my experience, some it has to do with being in behavioral control/emotionally disturbed environments since i was 6 years old and psychiatry being a beta institution (although mainly w/ creative function subtypes so not as aristorcratic) and the fact that vast majority of my extended families (maternal and paternal) are mostly beta. Alphas, Gammas, and Deltas less common in my experience.

Really, the people I know best and the most of are SLE-Ti, ILE-Ti, EIE, LSI-Se, and ESI-Fi and 2 ESI-Se I've spent quite a bit of time with. Only been like 6 IEE I've spent much time with, only one considered me a friend another was my maternal grandmother's younger brother. 4 or 5 IEIs I've spent a lot of time with. Only been like 3 EII I've spent much time with. Only been a few LIE I've spent much time with. Never spent time with anyone I knew to be SEE. Only 1 LII-Ti, he was a professor we couldn't stand each other. Only can remember spending just a little bit of time with just one ILE-Ne right off the top of my head. Seen a few LSE, didn't spend more than say 10 minutes with one, and met the other in passing. Only spent a little bit of time with 3 ESEs. None with anyone I knew to be SEI.

Types I've spent the most time with: SLE, EIE, ESI-Fi then after those ILE-Ti and finally ESI-Se with more LSI-Se individuals than ESI-Se but less time spent with any of them than one of the 2 ESI-Se. Never spent time with a female I knew to be ESI-Se. I like LSI-Se females better than ESI females anyway but ESI-Se males better than LSI males.

I guess my exposure to the world is low since I'm an ESI-Fi and that's one reason why I have such little experience with types other than the ones I listed above. Another might be because ILE-Ti and SLE-Ti aren't very judgmental of the whole person, especially SLE-Ti so willing to talk with me, .

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Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman

I’m not sure there is much meaningful difference. The only possible trend I can maybe make out is that intuitive types are rarer than sensors. I’ve known many more ESIs than EIIs, SLIs than ILIs, SLEs than ILEs, and so on. Even for duals this seems accurate: more ESE than LII, more LSI than EIE. My theory is that intuitives represent more evolutionary risk since they’re more mentally unstable in certain respects. I could imagine a society of only SLIs functioning; I can’t really say the same of ILIs. Can you imagine?? Or ILEs. Or EIEs. Even XII might appear to be the most temporarily successful of all the intuitive types, but only up until the point we start getting hungry; then we’d get too bitchy to work with each other and collectively starve.

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I've met a lot of EIEs. I do think xNTx are less common. I don't think p types could keep a whole society or system working for too long.

Ime


Most common to least in each group.

ISxx
1.SEI
2. LSI
3. ESI
4. SLI

ESxx
1.ESE
2.LSE
3.SEE
4.SLE

INxx
1.IEI
2.EII
3.LII
4.ILI

ENxx
1.EIE
2.IEE
3.ILE
4.LIE

Si egos

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Originally Posted by serenaeva

Si egos

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What's your tritype? :thinking:

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Originally Posted by OredrebelO

What's your tritype? :thinking:

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4w3-5w4-8w7

as I hate most of the people (all of them, but as lazy a*ses say, let's take it easy), I think Si egos are common.
SLI : the quiet guy who is so nice at what he does, just like a soldier, he will be sent to do something, and has no F**KING idealogy. he'll do anything you say. and at some cases, can be a lazy kid who plays video games 24/7/30/365!!!
LSE : the guy which seems so cool. the successful guy with a lamborghini driving through the city with an expensive suit.
ESE : grandmas, actors/actresses, st**id caretakers.
SEI : I have no special idea how they are. maybe like yuji? something like SLI but a bit softer and more interesting.

common people..........I hate them so much. boring, contented and with no ambition or passion to jump into a conflict, no interest in destroying political systems to create their own.
if I want to live like them for a min, I'll get a high level untreatable depression lol ;D

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Originally Posted by serenaeva

4w3-5w4-8w7

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good good
have you tried MBTI or Psycho Yoga?

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Originally Posted by OredrebelO

good good
have you tried MBTI or Psycho Yoga?

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Psycho Yoga? :halo:
I seem to be an ISxP in Myers-Briggs too.. leaning ISFP although quite a lot of people argue ISTP or INTJ for me.

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Originally Posted by serenaeva

Psycho Yoga? :halo:
I seem to be an ISxP in Myers-Briggs too.. leaning ISFP although quite a lot of people argue ISTP or INTJ for me.

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Interesting Interesting
ISPs are more common in ESI rather than INTJ. also, ISFP is more possible with 4w3.
in MBTI, cognitive functions and quadrants can help you.
but I recommend you to follow and learn other tests first, because MBTI is a bit....creepy to start with at the first :D
(I did it, and well, I screwed)

you may want to look at psycho yoga.
test link :
https://www.attitudinalpsyche.com/take-the-free-test/

you can read and learn all about this test on that site.

however, you can ask me your questions about it, send me pictures of your results and I can introduce different tests to you if you're interested.
if you were interested to do this and weren't fluent on this site (I'm not so fluent with it's forms, specially if I want to send pictures or communicate continuously), we can discuss on telegram or instagram. :)

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Originally Posted by OredrebelO

if you were interested to do this and weren't fluent on this site (I'm not so fluent with it's forms, specially if I want to send pictures or communicate continuously), we can discuss on telegram or instagram. :)

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Send bobs and vagene

T in male types and F in female Ps more than Js

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Originally Posted by mfckrz

Send bobs and vagene

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I have a desire for that lol

but I don't think most of people still know what it is. we still have a lot of "fake asexuals", those people who says don't care about sex, don't want/need sex and etc.
we have a sh***y mess called "feminism" too.

in the stu**d country I live in, people are like this, id**t, as**ole, bi**h. I don't know how it is in other places, but from what I've seen in cyber space, in places like tiktok (a stu*id app), most of people are like that, id**t, as**ole and bi**h.

BTW, good advice ;)

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

T in male types and F in female Ps more than Js

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don't correlate gender with personality. put these bu**sh**s aside, destroy them, keep your focus on realistic and valid things. not these stu*id things of "male and female" in personality. we have a soft, and a savage personality, both of them are available in both genders. if you want to give statistics, do it independent from gender.

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Originally Posted by OredrebelO

don't correlate gender with personality. put these bu**sh**s aside, destroy them, keep your focus on realistic and valid things. not these stu*id things of "male and female" in personality. we have a soft, and a savage personality, both of them are available in both genders. if you want to give statistics, do it independent from gender.

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I’m talking about biological sex not about mental choice of sexuality

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

I’m talking about biological sex not about mental choice of sexuality

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doesn't matter. personality has nothing to do with any kind of sex.
leave stu*i*ity behind.

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Originally Posted by OredrebelO

doesn't matter. personality has nothing to do with any kind of sex.
leave stu*i*ity behind.

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Personality type does have biological implications. I am saying type is genetic. That is my opinion so make whatever point you want and move on

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

Personality type does have biological implications. I am saying type is genetic. That is my opinion so make whatever point you want and move on

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personality isn't a biological thing. whoever said that, includes you, are id**ts. it's just how you think, interact and behave. it has nothing to do with genetic.
opinions don't matter. what is Pseudoscience, is Pseudoscience. personality isn't a material and touchable thing. it can't be experimented.
although, a healthy Intellect would realize these things without any need to read or hear them from someone.

I fight against bu**sh*t. doesn't matter it's opinion, politics, law, science or etc. bu**sh*t is bu**sh*t, it should be destroyed, and it will.

so don't be id**t. be rational. be concrete. sex is sex, personality is personality, two separate things, and no f**king stu*id creative like connection!

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Originally Posted by OredrebelO

as I hate most of the people (all of them, but as lazy a*ses say, let's take it easy), I think Si egos are common.
SLI : the quiet guy who is so nice at what he does, just like a soldier, he will be sent to do something, and has no F**KING idealogy. he'll do anything you say. and at some cases, can be a lazy kid who plays video games 24/7/30/365!!!
LSE : the guy which seems so cool. the successful guy with a lamborghini driving through the city with an expensive suit.
ESE : grandmas, actors/actresses, st**id caretakers.
SEI : I have no special idea how they are. maybe like yuji? something like SLI but a bit softer and more interesting.

common people..........I hate them so much. boring, contented and with no ambition or passion to jump into a conflict, no interest in destroying political systems to create their own.
if I want to live like them for a min, I'll get a high level untreatable depression lol ;D

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Well most people just don't want to change anything regardless of type because it's too damn hard.

See my boyfriend (ILE) is a communist (I guess???) but he won't join the party or anything like that because he just thinks if we pray to God everything will go better for everyone. He doesn't care as much about actually changing anything, he just wants a normal life. I don't really blame him because he lives in Russia, and politics there is on hard mode. Everyone is some kind of political nihilist and they don't actually give a damn about doing anything because they know it will go badly if they try. The opposition leaders are either nonexistent or just lame and weak.

On the other hand I really wouldn't be able to organize an efficient political party, I mean I don't really speak or act like I should be the leader of anything. I could see myself running a charity but that is about it.

You need all kinds of people to organize into a team in order to create a new political ideology. If you hate most people and you actively project that, no one is going to follow you. You need ethics, and logicians, and sensors, and intuitives. You need people who will actually give a damn about others and the future of this planet and not just create a new political ideology for fun or just because they want to raise hell. Then you create your party and sit out, actively recruiting new people and building a new culture surrounding your political ideology. Develop actual plans for what your party would do if they got control of the country. Make a party network all across the country and make sure that the people in charge aren't totally evil or revisionists. Then wait until people get angry enough against the current government to actually want to take action. Remember not to destroy civilian things and have a party that loots innocent people. You need a controlled mob, not an unruly one that starts shit for fun. That is easier said that done, so I don't think people will be making their own political systems anytime soon.

Most people aren't really contented with anything, we always want more and more. There are plenty of things to achieve in life and new things to become passionate about and develop skills in. You just mistake not giving a shit about politics as being "contented" with life.

The problems are truly just:

1. Making a new political ideology is very hard and requires a lot of skill and leadership which not everyone has.
2. Not everyone actually has real compassion for others and actually give a damn about the future of other people and the planet as a whole.
3. Not everyone's ambitions or passions are to go into political matters, most people just want to further a career or strengthen their hobbies.
4. Lots of people are unhappy with current governance but they won't actually do anything either because they don't know how or they don't really care enough.
5. People are afraid of backlash and possible hardships and/or jail.
6. They simply are political nihilists and think that nothing will change. (Which is wrong, it will once things get bad enough for sure, read a history textbook.)

May I ask exactly what you have done for politics as a whole? What conflicts have you joined? What are the goals of your political ideology? What about current governance do you hate?

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Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness

Well most people just don't want to change anything regardless of type because it's too damn hard.

See my boyfriend (ILE) is a communist (I guess???) but he won't join the party or anything like that because he just thinks if we pray to God everything will go better for everyone. He doesn't care as much about actually changing anything, he just wants a normal life. I don't really blame him because he lives in Russia, and politics there is on hard mode. Everyone is some kind of political nihilist and they don't actually give a damn about doing anything because they know it will go badly if they try. The opposition leaders are either nonexistent or just lame and weak.

On the other hand I really wouldn't be able to organize an efficient political party, I mean I don't really speak or act like I should be the leader of anything. I could see myself running a charity but that is about it.

You need all kinds of people to organize into a team in order to create a new political ideology. If you hate most people and you actively project that, no one is going to follow you. You need ethics, and logicians, and sensors, and intuitives. You need people who will actually give a damn about others and the future of this planet and not just create a new political ideology for fun or just because they want to raise hell. Then you create your party and sit out, actively recruiting new people and building a new culture surrounding your political ideology. Develop actual plans for what your party would do if they got control of the country. Make a party network all across the country and make sure that the people in charge aren't totally evil or revisionists. Then wait until people get angry enough against the current government to actually want to take action. Remember not to destroy civilian things and have a party that loots innocent people. You need a controlled mob, not an unruly one that starts shit for fun. That is easier said that done, so I don't think people will be making their own political systems anytime soon.

Most people aren't really contented with anything, we always want more and more. There are plenty of things to achieve in life and new things to become passionate about and develop skills in. You just mistake not giving a shit about politics as being "contented" with life.

The problems are truly just:

1. Making a new political ideology is very hard and requires a lot of skill and leadership which not everyone has.
2. Not everyone actually has real compassion for others and actually give a damn about the future of other people and the planet as a whole.
3. Not everyone's ambitions or passions are to go into political matters, most people just want to further a career or strengthen their hobbies.
4. Lots of people are unhappy with current governance but they won't actually do anything either because they don't know how or they don't really care enough.
5. People are afraid of backlash and possible hardships and/or jail.
6. They simply are political nihilists and think that nothing will change. (Which is wrong, it will once things get bad enough for sure, read a history textbook.)

May I ask exactly what you have done for politics as a whole? What conflicts have you joined? What are the goals of your political ideology? What about current governance do you hate?

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changing personality isn't hard kid, it's something that can't be done. you're what you are, I'm what I am, this will never change, accept it, be happy and effective, deny it, make a theater and fool everyone, includes yourself.


let me ask you a question :
why did you write these things, and ask those questions?
you think advice and question can change my mind?

no argument, no advice, no pain, no threat, no praise, no idea/theory, no evidence, no fact, no one and nothing can change my mind.

as I wrote, I'm idealogic, a conflict lover, I fight for whatever I want (not like those fights which 10 years old kids do in motivational speeches lol). also, I hate all of people.

are you giving me two choice of "love people and win" and "hate people and lose"?
I should inform you, I never took advice from people, I don't, and I won't. I'm the one who creates the third choice, make it happen and get it done, what no one could ever imagine, because they weren't strong and capable to imagine it.

don't advice me kid, not you not the others. I enjoy boasting myself through these stu*id advices which I don't give a d**n about, I love conflict, but you're the one who wasted time for writing something for the one who nothing can influence on him!

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Originally Posted by OredrebelO

personality isn't a biological thing. whoever said that, includes you, are id**ts. it's just how you think, interact and behave. it has nothing to do with genetic.
opinions don't matter. what is Pseudoscience, is Pseudoscience. personality isn't a material and touchable thing. it can't be experimented.
although, a healthy Intellect would realize these things without any need to read or hear them from someone.

I fight against bu**sh*t. doesn't matter it's opinion, politics, law, science or etc. bu**sh*t is bu**sh*t, it should be destroyed, and it will.

so don't be id**t. be rational. be concrete. sex is sex, personality is personality, two separate things, and no f**king stu*id creative like connection!

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In my opinion, I don't really think being a certain gender predispositions you to being either F or T. Societal gender roles do affect behavior, but societal constructs don't have anything to do with brain functions. Men try to act more logical and rational minded and women try to act more soft and emotional historically because of gender roles.

It's not like T type would be more likely to die before making a child or more likely to mistreat their children compared to F type, so why should it be that evolution would stand against T type in women?
I guess the only way to settle it would be to provide an explanation of why evolution would be against T type in females. DNA is genetics and in your DNA is code for building your brain, which provides the basis of your inborn personality. Let's not forget that there are two types of personality, the one you gain by interacting with the world and the one that is hard coded into you.

Personality isn't material but hard coded Socionics personality is formed from the brain, which is material and formed from DNA at birth. Your personality which you gain from experiences is not material but shaped by experiences and the brain's thought process.

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Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness

In my opinion, I don't really think being a certain gender predispositions you to being either F or T. Societal gender roles do affect behavior, but societal constructs don't have anything to do with brain functions. Men try to act more logical and rational minded and women try to act more soft and emotional historically because of gender roles.

It's not like T type would be more likely to die before making a child or more likely to mistreat their children compared to F type, so why should it be that evolution would stand against T type in women?
I guess the only way to settle it would be to provide an explanation of why evolution would be against T type in females. DNA is genetics and in your DNA is code for building your brain, which provides the basis of your inborn personality. Let's not forget that there are two types of personality, the one you gain by interacting with the world and the one that is hard coded into you.

Personality isn't material but hard coded Socionics personality is formed from the brain, which is material and formed from DNA at birth. Your personality which you gain from experiences is not material but shaped by experiences and the brain's thought process.

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"Men try to act more logical and rational minded and women try to act more soft and emotional historically because of gender roles." : gender roles are meaningless and unimportant. those who care about them are id**ts. also, gender roles don't exist actually. they're just contracts, imagine, you and me make a deal that say we've seen aliens, it's just a contract, it didn't happen. it's worthless. it's the same for gender roles. meaningless, worthless and dangerous, they should be destroyed.

don't accept whatever you read/hear kid, doesn't matter what socionics and socionists say, personality has nothing to do with real world, it's like gender roles, contracts! they don't exist, they're just theories that people create to make things easier to understand. but don't let your laziness and curiosity get you distracted or make you look like a schizophrenia.
personality has nothing to do with brain, DNA and etc. don't repeat what you've read on wikipedia and wikisocion for me. there are a lot of b**lsh**s in this stu*id world, a lot of people develop them, determined people don't get influenced, weak people get fooled.

have a classified and up-guard mind. when you open your mind, every sh*t can get into it. be closed minded, it's a gift if you can do it.


edit : opinions don't matter. what isn't visible and material doesn't exist and never, ever and ever have to be correlated to material things. that' s a big mistake which schizophrenia people do. don't join them, I really don't recommend it. facts don't listen to you opinions ,kid. close your mind before it's too late.

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Originally Posted by OredrebelO

changing personality isn't hard kid, it's something that can't be done. you're what you are, I'm what I am, this will never change, accept it, be happy and effective, deny it, make a theater and fool everyone, includes yourself.


let me ask you a question :
why did you write these things, and ask those questions?
you think advice and question can change my mind?

no argument, no advice, no pain, no threat, no praise, no idea/theory, no evidence, no fact, no one and nothing can change my mind.

as I wrote, I'm idealogic, a conflict lover, I fight for whatever I want (not like those fights which 10 years old kids do in motivational speeches lol). also, I hate all of people.

are you giving me two choice of "love people and win" and "hate people and lose"?
I should inform you, I never took advice from people, I don't, and I won't. I'm the one who creates the third choice, make it happen and get it done, what no one could ever imagine, because they weren't strong and capable to imagine it.

don't advice me kid, not you not the others. I enjoy boasting myself through these stu*id advices which I don't give a d**n about, I love conflict, but you're the one who wasted time for writing something for the one who nothing can influence on him!

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I think changing personality (not cognitive functions) is possible if you want to do it for yourself. You have to stop listening to the wrong people and stop creating excuses.

I asked out of curiosity, if you don't want to answer you don't have to.


I understand you are SLE-Se and nothing will influence you or change you, but I just felt like writing, because I can.

It seems necessary to me to actually care about other people in order to make things better.
You are wasting time writing on an internet forum too so I don't understand that roast.

Yes getting things done because you are strong and capable is nice and amazing but did you stop and think about why you are doing everything? What is your end goal?

I will write what I want and you can't change that because I don't want to change that.

Hmm and yet you try to tell others (advise them) on the fact that they don't know anything and try to change their opinion.

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"Men try to act more logical and rational minded and women try to act more soft and emotional historically because of gender roles." : gender roles are meaningless and unimportant. those who care about them are id**ts. also, gender roles don't exist actually. they're just contracts, imagine, you and me make a deal that say we've seen aliens, it's just a contract, it didn't happen. it's worthless. it's the same for gender roles. meaningless, worthless and dangerous, they should be destroyed.

don't accept whatever you read/hear kid, doesn't matter what socionics and socionists say, personality has nothing to do with real world, it's like gender roles, contracts! they don't exist, they're just theories that people create to make things easier to understand. but don't let your laziness and curiosity get you distracted or make you look like a schizophrenia.
personality has nothing to do with brain, DNA and etc. don't repeat what you've read on wikipedia and wikisocion for me. there are a lot of b**lsh**s in this stu*id world, a lot of people develop them, determined people don't get influenced, weak people get fooled.

have a classified and up-guard mind. when you open your mind, every sh*t can get into it. be closed minded, it's a gift if you can do it.


edit : opinions don't matter. what isn't visible and material doesn't exist and never, ever and ever have to be correlated to material things. that' s a big mistake which schizophrenia people do. don't join them, I really don't recommend it. facts don't listen to you opinions ,kid. close your mind before it's too late.

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I agree that gender roles are meaningless and unimportant and that people should just throw them aside like used napkins. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but there are people who do care.

Hmm I think you have to be a combination of openminded but with close minded caution. Research all the sides and discard what is wrong.

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Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness

I think changing personality (not cognitive functions) is possible if you want to do it for yourself. You have to stop listening to the wrong people and stop creating excuses.

I asked out of curiosity, if you don't want to answer you don't have to.





I understand you are SLE-Se and nothing will influence you or change you, but I just felt like writing, because I can.

It seems necessary to me to actually care about other people in order to make things better.
You are wasting time writing on an internet forum too so I don't understand that roast.

Yes getting things done because you are strong and capable is nice and amazing but did you stop and think about why you are doing everything? What is your end goal?

I will write what I want and you can't change that because I don't want to change that.

Hmm and yet you try to tell others (advise them) on the fact that they don't know anything and try to change their opinion.

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Do I stop to listening to the wrong people? lol XD
I'm the wrong one lolllllllllllll

I know I don't have to as I didn't.

right.............don't you think it's better write these old advices to better people? I mean, I think I need to inform you, I'm a narcissist. it means when you ask me to change myself, you're insulting me, and I'm never gonna do it.

I don't care about "why"s. I don't have end goal, I hate this kind of drama. I set up a goal, rush to achieve it, when I did, I'll set up a new one. having an end is a depressed situation. I hate those ends.
no need to end it. I like eternal rushing. that's what keeps me away from depression.

if I were close to you physically, I could've change that lol ;)

yep, it's called idealogy. and fighting for it. (I'm not a big fan of keeping my opinions for myself.)

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I agree that gender roles are meaningless and unimportant and that people should just throw them aside like used napkins. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but there are people who do care.

Hmm I think you have to be a combination of openminded but with close minded caution. Research all the sides and discard what is wrong.

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those who do care, I'll fight against them until they're gone, when they did, well.......maybe I go to buy myself a nice pizza XD


I'm no open minded. I'm the most closed minded person you've even seen. (I don't change my mind at all cost. what do you call it? bright minded? lol)
I hate caution. I don't need it actually. my brutality and attacking style will do all. I hate reasoning.

I’m not changing my mind and I’m certainly not going anywhere

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Do I stop to listening to the wrong people? lol XD
I'm the wrong one lolllllllllllll

I know I don't have to as I didn't.

right.............don't you think it's better write these old advices to better people? I mean, I think I need to inform you, I'm a narcissist. it means when you ask me to change myself, you're insulting me, and I'm never gonna do it.

I don't care about "why"s. I don't have end goal, I hate this kind of drama. I set up a goal, rush to achieve it, when I did, I'll set up a new one. having an end is a depressed situation. I hate those ends.
no need to end it. I like eternal rushing. that's what keeps me away from depression.

if I were close to you physically, I could've change that lol ;)

yep, it's called idealogy. and fighting for it. (I'm not a big fan of keeping my opinions for myself.)

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LOL First of all I am 17 ok, so still a kid, and second of all I would never give your ass because I save it for marriage to my boyfriend because I love him, because I can already tell I would practically hate you, and because I am super loyal to my guy and would only give him in marriage and to no one else. We are basically super different in every way possible and I wouldn't even touch you with a 10 foot pole you creep.

Yes anyways this discussion obviously goes nowhere so let's stop it.

^ Si vs Se.

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I’m not changing my mind and I’m certainly not going anywhere

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Yeah Yeah

But the point is your mind doesn't matter to me. I really don't want to change people's mind and opinion. I want to push them, limit them and make them incapable to do what they have in their mind.

By the way, persistence is important. I like persistent people more than the other (because I can fight against them and both of us won't get tired lol ;) )

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LOL First of all I am 17 ok, so still a kid, and second of all I would never give your ass because I save it for marriage to my boyfriend because I love him, because I can already tell I would practically hate you, and because I am super loyal to my guy and would only give him in marriage and to no one else. We are basically super different in every way possible and I wouldn't even touch you with a 10 foot pole you creep.

Yes anyways this discussion obviously goes nowhere so let's stop it.

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17 is good too.
yep, people usually don't give their ass to me, because I already r*ped them for hundred times lollllllll :D
yeah I know. it's not a strange thing you know, it's like this : I hate people, people hate me, mutual! (but I'm the one who starts hate and conflict lol ;) )
SUPERLOYAL! interesting. loyal girlfriends are good (if they meet other standards)..........but it's a shame that I can't trust people loyalty and honesty. they aren't worthy. their loyalty is a short term theater.
of course we're different. you have a very healthy intellect that you realized it lol :D
10 foot lollllllllllll XD

yeah of course these kinds of conversations go nowhere, of course.......(but I still love them lol XD who doesn't love an eternal conflict? I have a thirst for it. without it, depression would kill me XD )

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Yeah Yeah

But the point is your mind doesn't matter to me. I really don't want to change people's mind and opinion. I want to push them, limit them and make them incapable to do what they have in their mind.

By the way, persistence is important. I like persistent people more than the other (because I can fight against them and both of us won't get tired lol ;) )

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Estj push people too and I’m fairly immune to that because I am stubborn as hell.

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17 is good too.
yep, people usually don't give their ass to me, because I already r*ped them for hundred times lollllllll :D
yeah I know. it's not a strange thing you know, it's like this : I hate people, people hate me, mutual! (but I'm the one who starts hate and conflict lol ;) )
SUPERLOYAL! interesting. loyal girlfriends are good (if they meet other standards)..........but it's a shame that I can't trust people loyalty and honesty. they aren't worthy. their loyalty is a short term theater.
of course we're different. you have a very healthy intellect that you realized it lol :D
10 foot lollllllllllll XD

yeah of course these kinds of conversations go nowhere, of course.......(but I still love them lol XD who doesn't love an eternal conflict? I have a thirst for it. without it, depression would kill me XD )

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Aww consensual hate, you are finally learning to be nice. I hate you and you hate me <3

I bet you and your 13 year old gf have a loving relationship of mutual hate together and "consensual rape".

How is being super loyal interesting? And how tf are loyal girlfriends good to you? I imagine you just want some short term gf that puts up some fake fight with you but she really enjoys that you don't give a shit about feelings or the long term.

Loyal girlfriends are good in the case of long term relationships where both partners are equal and work towards the same things without getting in each other's way. A concept you wouldn't care for because you would shrivel at the words "equal" and "compromise" and "long term relationship".

Life is one big conflict anyways because everyone has different opinions on everything and they are constantly fighting. So I don't think you will ever have problems. I have learned to accept the conflict that goes on forever and partake in it from time to time because I get bored sometimes.

And on the topic of conflict, if everyone got what they wanted then everyone would be sad and lazy and society wouldn't work properly anymore. We need obstacles in order to have something to overcome and do.

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Aww consensual hate, you are finally learning to be nice. I hate you and you hate me <3

I bet you and your 13 year old gf have a loving relationship of mutual hate together and "consensual rape".

How is being super loyal interesting? And how tf are loyal girlfriends good to you? I imagine you just want some short term gf that puts up some fake fight with you but she really enjoys that you don't give a shit about feelings or the long term.

Loyal girlfriends are good in the case of long term relationships where both partners are equal and work towards the same things without getting in each other's way. A concept you wouldn't care for because you would shrivel at the words "equal" and "compromise" and "long term relationship".

Life is one big conflict anyways because everyone has different opinions on everything and they are constantly fighting. So I don't think you will ever have problems. I have learned to accept the conflict that goes on forever and partake in it from time to time because I get bored sometimes.

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No I'm not nice, I just love undiplomacy and honesty.

my whatttttttttttttttttt? 13 year old gf?????? my 25 year old gf couldn't stand a chance against me to tolerate me for six months, how do you think a 13 year old one can ? lol XD
I don't have gf. I just talked to several girls in cyber space, and they couldn't tolerate me :D
(if I would've do it in real world, the record would've decrease from six months to six minutes lol XD)

when I say interesting it means OK/good. don't get obsessed.........well, my idealogy! ;)......I want just a gf who meets two standards : 1- is honest, 2- loves sex and yell it out.
but, if I had a gf, yeah, I would've fight against her 24/7 XD . I don't have any problem with short term gfs. if they meet those two standards, I love a one-week relationship too :)
I hate long term, deep and romantic relationships.
sex is all, that's all. without that, all of it is b**lsh*t. pure b**lsh*t! (and I'm proud of myself ;) )
exactly lol XD I don't give a d**n about feelings and long term and these things.

I'm not looking for loyal girlfriend, I'm looking for honest and passionate ones. long term is b**lsh*t.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo WTF IS EQUAL!!! I HATE IT XD


noooo no. they aren't fighting. they're sleeping. there are rape people who fights.
exactly, a world in an eternal struggle is what I love.
I don't accept conflict, I jump into it, to fight and win. if it doesn't exist, I create one . (seriously, how people can accept, agree and withdraw lol)
F**K ACCEPTING!

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And on the topic of conflict, if everyone got what they wanted then everyone would be sad and lazy and society wouldn't work properly anymore. We need obstacles in order to have something to overcome and do.

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don't get philosophical for me kid :|

Nothing can change my mind, even a bit. theories, deep attitudes and these kinds of reflection to create excuses and traps are worthless. they have no impact on me.

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Estj push people too and I’m fairly immune to that because I am stubborn as hell.

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Interesting Interesting

note : LSE in socionics doesn't push people, but ESTJ in MBTI may do.
remember, pushing is about Se. when it's beta, it means SLE and LSI, they will push a lot. but LSE and LIE isn't those kinds.
these are success oriented people. they don't know even what a conflict or idealogy is. so, don't make mistake.

Ok I am officially bored.

I mean at least you are honest about your motives in a relationship even though I totally disagree with everything you just said about relationships there.

:) I will be as philosophical as I want because I can and I enjoy it. So, whatever.

I didn't say I could change your mind and I wasn't attempting to the entire time.

People just need someone to wake them up if they are sleeping.

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Interesting Interesting

note : LSE in socionics doesn't push people, but ESTJ in MBTI may do.
remember, pushing is about Se. when it's beta, it means SLE and LSI, they will push a lot. but LSE and LIE isn't those kinds.
these are success oriented people. they don't know even what a conflict or idealogy is. so, don't make mistake.

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Anyone can know what a conflict or ideology is regardless of type, it's just excuses if they didn't learn what it means. That doesn't mean they actively participate in those conflicts or ideologies. Of course they won't understand it in a Beta way but they can still know what it means.

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Interesting Interesting

note : LSE in socionics doesn't push people, but ESTJ in MBTI may do.
remember, pushing is about Se. when it's beta, it means SLE and LSI, they will push a lot. but LSE and LIE isn't those kinds.
these are success oriented people. they don't know even what a conflict or idealogy is. so, don't make mistake.

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My boss is LSI and he’s pushed me a lot on 15 years. Still immune because one other thing works against pushing and that’s intelligence

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Estj push people too and I’m fairly immune to that because I am stubborn as hell.

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I don’t like that honestly especially if I’m against whatever they are pushing me for

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Ok I am officially bored.

I mean at least you are honest about your motives in a relationship even though I totally disagree with everything you just said about relationships there.

:) I will be as philosophical as I want because I can and I enjoy it. So, whatever.

I didn't say I could change your mind and I wasn't attempting to the entire time.

People just need someone to wake them up if they are sleeping.

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Right

Yep

good ;)

good then

I'm the one who no one can wake him up. my sleeping is different from people. people need, I don't. (but I need someone for something else XD )

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Anyone can know what a conflict or ideology is regardless of type, it's just excuses if they didn't learn what it means. That doesn't mean they actively participate in those conflicts or ideologies. Of course they won't understand it in a Beta way but they can still know what it means.

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when I said they don't know what it means I meant they're not toward them. they have other priorities. for example most of type 8 enneagrams are SXE. but people type them as LXE a lot, which they're wrong, totally wrong.


tip : "beta way" was an interesting phrase :D

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I don’t like that honestly especially if I’m against whatever they are pushing me for

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I hope then you’ll communicate your wants and needs and they can stop

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My boss is LSI and he’s pushed me a lot on 15 years. Still immune because one other thing works against pushing and that’s intelligence

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good good.

my mom is LSI. she's pushing me more than 15 years old, and she failed, because I'm redrebel lol XD
seriously, I can hate LSIs so much. f**king good civilian :frustrated: XD

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I don’t like that honestly especially if I’m against whatever they are pushing me for

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Honesty is valuable. people escape from it because it may hurt them, but they should learn not to avoid hurtful things. a f**king sh***y honest is better than a charming and sympathetic lie.

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good good.

my mom is LSI. she's pushing me more than 15 years old, and she failed, because I'm redrebel lol XD
seriously, I can hate LSIs so much. f**king good civilian :frustrated: XD

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Rebel being contrarian with LSI mommy.. an achievement of the highest order!

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Rebel being contrarian with LSI mommy.. an achievement of the highest order!

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lol
We have a lot of conflicts about EVERY POSSIBLE THING anyone can imagine. from social opinions to materialism and ethics and etc.
I hope I don't become an assassin so soon XD

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lol
We have a lot of conflicts about EVERY POSSIBLE THING anyone can imagine. from social opinions to materialism and ethics and etc.
I hope I don't become an assassin so soon XD

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WOW! REPORT BACK 2 US IF U DO..

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WOW! REPORT BACK 2 US IF U DO..

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lol I will :D

is it just me (1D Te?) or are others almost completely clueless about something like this like I am lol

I never have an answer, and im generally good at at least guessing.