seems like you people dont know what confirmtion bias is, which is hilarious after all the time uve spent in typology...
ye, it all reminds me of the automated/pro astrology readings. ain't a good comparison but that's what this is
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seems like you people dont know what confirmtion bias is, which is hilarious after all the time uve spent in typology...
ye, it all reminds me of the automated/pro astrology readings. ain't a good comparison but that's what this is
:thinking: astrology is absolute BS tho.. one's observable characteristics define one's type based on categories established to explain patterns.. in astrology e_e the day one is born in establishes one's observable characteristics.. which is absolute lunacy. Its kind of annoying when ppl bring up astrology and compare it to personality theories tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
:thinking: example, in the chinese zodiac I'm supposed to be a fire tiger, which is supposed to be a lively, enthusiastic risk taking social extrovert full of energy and drive.. e_e I'm a super deliberate, extra careful melancholic who never does anything without overthinking it. :shrug: my character flaws basically revolve around being bad a social relationships and missing opportunities, because I think 10 times before committing to any course of action. So its not a fit as it describes a type 8w7 SEE.
I'm also a LIBRA and supposed to be like this: People born under the sign of Libra are peaceful, fair, and they hate being alone. Partnership is very important for them, as their mirror and someone giving them the ability to be the mirror themselves. These individuals are fascinated by balance and symmetry, they are in a constant chase for justice and equality, realizing through life that the only thing that should be truly important to themselves in their own inner core of personality. This is someone ready to do nearly anything to avoid conflict, keeping the peace whenever possible <== describing a 9w1 EII.
..e_e but equality imo is bullshit, one is either superior to others or inferior in some way, meritocratic hierarchy. I like being alone tbh and my first reaction in a conflict situation is to physically assault my opponent (if only it wasn't against the law) .. I consciously have to hold back and redirect the urge to smash into words.. which at times is really difficult as words usually fail me when I get angry. Its been something I have had to gradually learn to control since childhood :/.. peace my ass.. even in minor disputes I like devil's advocating and being a contrarian.. its not unusual for other ppl to say I'm "arrogant" for disagreeing.. but this happens as I score disagreeable on the big 5.
:thinking: so I don't see it tbh.. for astrology to work the categories would have to fit the given patterns found in the person in question. You define your "star sign" it does not define you. The auto generated descriptions are absolute bs which never fit.
This is not the case in typology tho, you either fit a pattern or you fit another pattern. Type is determined based on your patterns.
Have you only looked into sun signs or have you ever looked into your entire birth chart as a whole? Rising, moon, etc. The houses that they fall in. I was big into astrology as a teen.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I don't care about astology, its just bs that never fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlytherinPower
You rang? I saw 8w7 SEE XDQuote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Yeah, with astrology it’s general and meant to “foretell” someone’s fortunes, luck, etc. but not about their psychology which is more personalized. I’m a water monkey and the general descriptions is mostly true for me but that’s just luck. It’s not like everyone born my year is like that, as I’ve met some who gave up on life long ago. It just so happens that Monkey sounds Se and I’m Se lead so it works. “Monkey are smart, resourceful, lively and active. At the same time, they like to show off in life and have strong leadership in doing things. They have quick reaction ability and can often act according to the situation.”
:thinking: in my case as sad as it is the big 5 RLOEI and Enneagram types 6 imo describe my personality the most accurately:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
withdrawn, loner, moody, dislikes crowds, avoidant, not big on fun, socially unskilled, not that interested in others, overwhelmed by unpleasant feelings frequently, depressed, requires lots of time alone to recharge, socially awkward, hard to get to know, feels defective, averse to change, low self confidence, dislikes small talk, dislikes touchy feely types, private, not prone to complimenting others, driven by own personal gain, pessimistic, self absorbed, indifferent to the feelings of others, does not easily forgive, inflexible, skeptical, embarrassed easily, tense, lower energy level, attracted to things associated with sadness, very suspicious of others, does not believe in human goodness, interested in intellectual pursuits, does not put the welfare of others ahead of self, lonely, not known for generosity, unadventurous, doubting, quick to judge others, discontent, hard to understand, wounded at the core, believes in a logical answer for everything, worrying, uncooperative, agnostic/atheist tendencies, has anxiety, not physically affectionate with most people, feels second place is not good enough, frustrated when people don't live up to expectations
I'm a wood pig, I think? I forget what that means, since I haven't looked much into Chinese zodiacs. Now I'm gonna look it up out of curiosity.
I'd say I'm energetic & fun but I also overthink into oblivion & pretty sarcastic sometimes. To quickly summarize myself.
Enneagrams really personal/psychological as it tackles core fears and how one operates based upon their fears. It’s a very Fi oriented thing as it pinpoints and exposes the individual’s weaknesses. No one likes their shit exposed, but you can’t grow if you don’t dig deep. I think Naranjo is ESI. Enneagram’s purpose of working on inside of the self (Fi-) and pushing away weaknesses (Se-) really fits him.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Yeah enneagram is basically typing your "trauma".
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Originally Posted by one
He actually replied to my comment!! I can tell he’s given thought to what I’ve said. I’m not trying to convert him, but I hope he does realize he’s really SEE and not SLI. He’s typical of real Se leads who want to minimize threatening presence. He keeps saying he’s a pushover but he’s very direct as he publicly criticizes and makes fun of MBTI stuff, Jack, etc. That’s like me saying I’m a candyass and I’ll call people out XD I like him and think he’s funny, but he’s freaked out over descriptions of Se and don’t want to admit to it. I think that’s more sad when an Se lead disowns Se, much more so than those who fake Se lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
Yes, and everyone has trauma, just that the psyche buries the trauma due to self-preservation in the interest of survival. In order to make the self stronger, it has to unravel the cancer to treat it, so to speak.
No it isnt. But sounds cool :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by SlytherinPower
Still into hyper defensive mode?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
Why are you so adamant on defending this guy? Youre insecure afQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
Ah. Another fake SLE who literally has nothing of any importance to say but still thirsty for attention by popping in to make sure their forgettable existence is registered somewhere on the interweb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
better nothing important than never shutting the fuck up about DarkAngelFireWolf69s greatness. its getting really fucking annoying and you try to shut people down who critically think about this. please shut the fuck up and open your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
You literally sound like a fucking psycho. You should take your own advice. You’re just bitchass angry because you’re insecure about your typing and jealous of people who have confidence because they got clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
yeah nice projection. if im so insecure why am i not crying on here? you are insecure about your typing from DarkAngelFireWolf69 and his methods and you view criticism on here on DarkAngelFireWolf69 as the same criticism and doubt you have in your own mind, which is why your are trying to squash it so hard. tell me, honestly, if DarkAngelFireWolf69 is so right and perfect, why are you defending him? his status would speak for itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
More important than to have an assurance in own type is why you have it. As this points on the correctness more than some incompetent noob was convinced in something on some time. There should be an objectivity to be sure in something. The objective problems with DarkAngelFireWolf69 and other typers approaches and doubtful accuracy were described before. He criticied the lack of this objectivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
The lack of reasonable basis for your opinion leaded to express emotional criticism not approapriate for logical theme as what is a type. Such lack of reasonable basis predisposes to mistakes. The enemy is not the one who points on objective problems in typing, but are mistakes in types which can be done due to those problems.
To be "psycho" is to behave not reasonably, to reject thinking and to follow emotions where you should to think. An example of abnormal approach is that you do personal insult as a reaction to criticism of actions related to logical process as a typing. The emotional approach to usage of logical theory as Socionis may lead you to problems, a part of which will be wrong types.
Finally you say something to me and you just spout the most pedantic nonsense ever. Lots of words that say NOTHING. You frame yourself as if you’re the one to judge what’s right according to your rules. Ridiculous. This forum has too many LSIs masquerading as other types. What you need to do is go back to looking for your real dual, EIE so you can impose your rules on them and then play cops and robbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
you're hallucinating. do you realize you've spent the first 6 months or so since u got in here...so actually more than that, switching types from this to that and they all fitted somehow, until a certain point smt else fitted more? 'cause i remember it as i remember how many others do the very same, and still do after many years. so it's not "you either fit a pattern or you fit another one", because we really fit more and more patterns, because that's how psychology, the psyche itself works.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
also cognitive bias, confirmation bias, call it as you wish, plays the role of letting you stick to some thing over another, which could even be supported by evidence and veridity, but often times it's not a rational and well thought out behavior, but you rely to it unconsciously, like say calling for arguments ad hominem= "if DarkAngelFireWolf69 says something it's the truth because he only knows", or it could strike some chords in your self- ego that then you pay more attention to those details..
about astrology, obviously i didnt mean the chinese one, nor the "whats your sign?!" kind of thing, it's surely more complex even for a shallow start, and the fact you bash it without even knowing 2 things about it says tons... but yes, holy typology with its super distinct, standardized 16 types of personalities is sure better. it fits everyone, so how do you think cognitive bias doesn't work here?? uhh.
@Kiana
The only good way to be sure in your type is by IR effects with people with who you communicate much IRL. You type them yourself (>10 people) and should get good fiting to IR theory. In other case you may mistake in own type with significant chance. Also you are geting initial typing skills during this checking.
To trust highly just to a typer, anyone of who match in typing between themselves in <50% - is not reasonably. More doubts to who uses intensively doubtful hypotheses as Reinin traits, uses own nonsense hypotheses, trusts highly to words of people which know types theory and generally are prejusticed to types said to them. Emotions will not change these issues for the objectivity, the chance of mistakes and problems from those mistakes.
DarkAngelFireWolf69 and other typers may to type by Internet with an accuracy ~20-40%. There is nothing to suppose high accuracy at him or others, at now. To convince an incompetent noobs in something means nothing. It's just emotions. That noobs needs knowledge, skills and a data to understand own type with a reasonable basis. The good way for this I've said above.
If DarkAngelFireWolf69 used better approach for the typing without mentioned objectivity problems, he'd typed some better than a free dichotomy test. In now situation I doubt he types with better accuracy. It's useful to get his or other typers opinion even in such situation, as this can be taken an independent source additional to tests, as all test of own kind (dichotomy, 8 functional tests) are similar. When different sources match - those traits have higher chance to be correct. But to trust highly to one typer, to what whole type he said - is not good.
I see mistakes he did among listed in this thread. At least 2 of those noobs has doubted highly in the said types. Others may understand the mistake later, as at least a half of them were mistyped. Even if in your case he was correct this does not mean his good general accuracy and that very most of others were typed correctly.
If DarkAngelFireWolf69 was so powerful, how comes he not rulez the world? :thinking:
Speaking for EIEs, we don’t want him. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
Your results may vary - personally, my sun sign and my birth chart as a whole fit me well. I don’t take it seriously as a personality theory but it can be fun to play around with when you get into the birth chart. And I’ve noticed a real life, regular magnetism between me and certain signs (Gemini, Taurus, Libra).Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I'm a Leo-Virgo cusp myself. Seriously speaking, this whole G thing has gotten out of hand, and now I understand why scientists, psychologists, and doctors I've talked to consider this a dangerous pseudoscience.Quote:
Originally Posted by flames
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Originally Posted by flames
And yet you want me as your dual LSI. ;)
XD well my supervisees don’t want him neither. Even if I don’t like EIIs, I’m not that cruel to them to wish my supervisor on their heels.Quote:
Originally Posted by flames
More of YOUR ridiculous Ti rules that you want to impose on others because you determine that your method is the right one. Uh huh. Not interested. Don’t care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
Not everybody needs to be professionally typed. He's not god. He's gonna have some misses sometimes. Ultimately, typing is a somewhat personal journey and experience. If somebody misunderstands something or is mistyped, but still finds value in learning the overall theory, is that really the worst thing in the world? For people to just be wrong sometimes? For people to find meaning in something that broadens their worldview, and expands their understanding of their relationships with those that they might not have previously understood? Is it really such a personal offense to see someone identify with a label that you wouldn't personally ascribe to them?
Not one theory, not one area of study, will every completely, concisely, and neatly tuck every individual human being into no less than 7 billion "types". But some people find seeking out an expert to help them understand themselves better to be worthwhile. & if you disagree with that, why is it so hard to just say "well, I disagree, but you're entitled to think that way" and just move on to something else?
A lot of it has to do with jealousy and wanting to be “right” above G. Those who got typed have something definite to refer to which they have more clarity than those who didn’t seek out G. They want to catch G to be wrong on a few typings so they can use that to say his few wrong typings would somehow invalidate all the right ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by megedy
You may be right with the notion that I would not mind that idea. :p :hello:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
well that's how a scientific approach works, on the other hand u can approach typology like a religion and pray to everything God DarkAngelFireWolf69 says without any idea of what he's saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
I was and am still curious to be typed by him anyway, and the more people got typed during this time the more my prejudices on his lack of worth increased. a typologyst who doesn't recognize deltas is not gonna give a faithful blueprint for any type.
He does. We are just too stupid to notice it. Why do you think there exists hunger and wars? Because he likes to do social experiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody
I put that down to fluctuating self image. Ppl are a certain way, their self perception however fluctuates. There is also relativity. You don't know to what degree you are one thing or another until you have someone else to compare it to. I often find I perceive myself differently from how other ppl see me from the outside even ppl who know me well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
:shrug: I'll admit Guleko could be wrong, which is why I prefer the Enneagram, over there at least I know with certainty and painful experience why I'm a social type 6.Quote:
also cognitive bias, confirmation bias, call it as you wish, plays the role of letting you stick to some thing over another, which could even be supported by evidence and veridity, but often times it's not a rational and well thought out behavior, but you rely to it unconsciously, like say calling for arguments ad hominem= "if DarkAngelFireWolf69 says something it's the truth because he only knows", or it could strike some chords in your self- ego that then you pay more attention to those details..
Regardless how flawed typology may be, astrology is still just superstitious garbage even tho it has some elegant logic behind it and I explained why above. Descriptions don't matter. Relying on type descriptions is wrong imoQuote:
about astrology, obviously i didnt mean the chinese one, nor the "whats your sign?!" kind of thing, it's surely more complex even for a shallow start, and the fact you bash it without even knowing 2 things about it says tons... but yes, holy typology with its super distinct, standardized 16 types of personalities is sure better. it fits everyone, so how do you think cognitive bias doesn't work here?? uhh.
as ppl are too varied even if they are the same type. I do not relate to LSI descriptions, I haven't found one relatable description thus far.
as someone who spent the last 4 years researching astrological data using the scientific method, I can say that astrology sure has truth to it. but unfortunately we won't ever be able to test typology as scientifically, because there's no consensus on anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Do you relate to beta quadra descriptions?Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Enneagram is not always typing a specific trauma. It's much more of a spiritual psychological system, abandoning the original self to cope with not having what was needed to develop the original coping mechanisms during the pivotal developmental years of childhood and adolescence. In very extreme cases, where the self is diluted or bastardized due to trauma, the points of the Enneagram will become linked to trauma which is why many psychologists are pretty fond of the system, but it does not type trauma in itself or specifically.
This is what I've personally read about.
I mainly relate to the cognitive aspects of the type. Other stuff can be quite circumstantial.
They don't that much if you've managed to verify your type with IR. But that you can't see yourself even in the good profiles (Strati's and DarkAngelFireWolf69's are good) on top of the fact that you've failed to find EIEs engaging, might be a tip-off.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
What do you think of Filatova's descriptions, as well as her portraits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusal
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...s_by_Filatova#
As I said to Sol I have dysthymia, which is a form of chronic long term depression. Idk, a lot of things I do is just me grinding on going forward going through the daily routine. Internally really I'm kinda numb, disinterested, basically very little seems to move me, haven't cried once in 15 years and I can't remember what it feels like to be happy. A lot of my presentation is just stuff I learned from books and playing with the webcam, so I become more "engaging" for work where I have to socialize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusal
I'm rather cynical, don't trust ppl and keeping up the façade longer than a few days drains my energy when I have to interact with ppl.. so I'd rather not, my mind goes to dark places when I'm low on energy.. which is when I need to sleep. Sleep seems to return me to the normal dullness.
:shrug: beats me how I was without the depression, its been so long I forgot. At any rate I don't have the energy to care about ppl and or deal with them regularly, any relationship would fail.
:thinking: yeah, pretty much the only quadra I relate to tbh., which is why I thought I was IEI be4 G diagnosed me with LSI. I do think Ti base fits as well as Ni activating. Either that or my desperation for meaning in life is just a side effect of the anhedonia that comes with depression and me wanting meaning as a cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Note that I experience the desire for meaning too, just to a lesser degree than you do it seems. I think our personal baggage shapes who we are quite a bit. Like, our personal philosophies and such. Had I been raised in China rather than "the West" I probably would not be individualistic, at least it would be much less probable. When I was younger, I was much more criticial of modern liberal values. :thinking: I think personal views can come and go, and meaning can be experienced through the prism of various philosphies or artistic credos, and these may change throughout a lifetime.
Just some thoughts.
I'm not sure astrology fits as people know it, but I think it does fit in the sense that it actually makes logical sense that the time of year you were born would influence your personality somewhat as it's your birthday and in most societies people tend to pay the most objective attention to you on your birthday and that would naturally influence your personality via how you were socialized onto a pattern over time. ((your ego gets constant feedback with how people see you and what you've done when around them etc.))
People's general mood and social patterns can vary with the seasons into a pattern that then people noticed trends they picked up on over the years. But it's generalized nonsense, and forer effect-y and it's like you can say you are this way for whatever reason because you have what house in what- so every contradiction there can be an easy explanation for.
I have noticed other Capricorns that felt similar to me and like there was a bond- since Capricorns tend to be witty, and pessimistic- but good with time/and understand the best things usually happen slowly over time etc. But it's also a thing where people pay attention to the hits and not the misses. So you see all those people under the same sign as you and how they are similar but there are also Capricorns that are really not anything like me at all. Then it goes back to 'oh they have uranus in their 17th house but you have this Aries' so that's why and it's just like '...' Capricorns are also supposed to really like business and hard-work but I don't and it triggers my Te PoLR. You are supposed to be more like your rising sign than your sun but there are all those nuanced rules that again they can fan-wank the theory to explain whatever trait they want.
Although my horoscope was eerily dead on yesterday (not so much today though) but that's what I mean about the hits vs. misses cause it also has been totally wrong with what I was doing, thinking, feeling or experiencing lol. There is such a thing as coincidences, but that's too boring for people to accept I guess.
I think Filatova made pretty good description of ILE. It tends to apply many.
Many times they are too inhibited to ever close off the distance altough is capable being entertaining but people around them can not see this combination being possible.
:lol: Well you are not the only one who likes Nietzsche and H.H.Hoppe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOfLUnSII5A
Lol EIEs are unstable and full of histrionics. Just because there’s duality doesn’t mean you’ll like them or agree with them or support them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusal
For some of the types she focuses too much on the inert subtype, maybe? I just remember that the other two seem more complete, as it were. I don't really have an opinion on the portraits. I mean there must be something to them but I haven't been drawn to them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
@Uncle Ave :thinking: the only other type I can see myself as is ESI - Dreiser.. the thing is I'm highly observant when it comes to people :confused2: even the EIE I was interacting with was surprised just how much I can read into very small hints in body language and context. In general I find understanding other people to be extremely simple.. even things that other ppl hide from themselves seem rather obvious to me.
I think you'll be familiar with this: I find that I need to step in with brute physical force IF I see someone treated bady, unfairly or with cruelty..:red:
Sometimes I panic-thik that I relate too well to ESI..:stroke:
It is possible that my depression makes me seem more logical :thinking: however I can't say my Ti is bad at all either.. :shrug:
I told Uncle Ave the same thing with how to tell apart LSI vs. ESI: ESI is very vindictive because they lead with Fi- which is the ethics of disapproval where there is suspicion, holding grudges, desires to eradicate what is judged to be beneath. LSI have Fi+ which is Ethics of forgiveness (same kind of Fi as SEE and EII) which gives benefit of the doubt, being kind, etc. Also, ESI seeks out endless Te stuff and it’s higher dimensionality in Model G serving as Manipulative function, whereas Te for LSI is lowest dimension as Control.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Yeah, that part doesn't seem to apply to me when it comes to ESI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
I had an uncle (my dad's brother), I would have said he was ISTJ in MBTI terms lol.. dad says I'm just like him lmao. I would agree, he was a 6 as well.
They’re very distant and scrutinize people harshly and determine who they’ll approach and what sort of relationship is between them and that person. Super selective. I’m really selective but not as exacting as ESI. I have friends from high school whom I’m sure are ESIs and they’re extremely judgmental. They’ve watched me from a distance and came up to me and decided that I’m a “good person” and that we’ll be friends. Usually, when ESI has decided they like you, that means they accept you as-is and will put up with your shit through highs and lows. That’s the core component with Gamma Fi since it’s mixed with Se, it becomes resilient in enforcing the relational ties that have been created.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
i think typology has more consesus then astrology, i have been looking at astrology for a while tooQuote:
Originally Posted by ooo
the fact is that astrology can be researched using a method, scientific or wtv, with typology that's close to impossible, even using the brain scans or what have u.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinister12
that typology has more "consensus" than astrology, no doubt about it. but idc of that "consensus", i just used the word to indicate how ironically more objective astrology is: ie. if you're born on march 1 ure either pisces or aquarius (sidereal), and in typology such consensus will never be there
I can totally see ESI for youQuote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
:thinking: you are annoying af, you know that? Every time I interact with you I want to punch your teeth out for suggesting something new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
You're annoyed because I agree with what you have just said? you said "the only other type I can see myself as is ESI" and it is a typing that makes so much more sense than LSI, at least to me based on the impressions you give on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I have recently been trying to induce certain modes of thinking by exposing myself to select groups of people and views/"functions". While I don't really doubt my typing these days I'm doing this to learn more about typology and people through experience. I'm not going to say that my way of categorizing them necessarily correlates to the actual functions but when you come across some viewpoints you'll definitely some strict differences, and if you get with the people who mostly swarm within those viewpoints, you'll see sameness in their cognition too.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
You'll notice some groups are mentally and even physically challenging, which over time leads to mental and physical paralysis, at least in my experience. I notice jumping from a certain state helps you move to certain states easily with less stress too when it could be much challenging otherwise. Given it is like inducing neurosis, but I am just sharing this just in case you are interested in finding cure for your situation, since just like how ego functions work, certain activities are invigorating. You do have to expose yourself to that group of activities for quite a time to experience the effect, because you might have a lot of activities that put a lot of mental stress (supposedly these things are not serving your Ego in a way) which just offset the exposure to invigorating groups. And it's also difficult to realize which of these things are if you are already in your lowest state. It's much easier to feed your Ego first, then get rid of unhealthy habits after. I think this is what Jung tried to make sense of when he talked about the types.
Given your state I don't think it would be good for you to assess your type. Maybe if you do what I said above you'll get to know your type in the end. ESI, LSI or something else, it doesn't really matter if you can't use the information to improve your current situation.
I've had dysthymia and basically experienced what you had experienced too. Two things - One, focusing on imaginations, esoteric and activities that require mental stimulation snapped me out of it, and not being able to spend time on contemplation was what put me into that depressive state. Two, I still have some of the symptoms (i.e. low energy and avoidance of most social activities) but I know I don't need help as I feel fulfilled and those things are probably just type related.
First, thx for the post. I appreciate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by one
:thinking: hmm.. in my case I'm often stuck in my head thinking and stuck at my job which I have been working at for almost 10 years now. What I do is wake up, go to work, deal with problems there, arrive home, deal with problems at home, sleep and repeat. While this is happening I'm bored and distract myself by thinking and research. Its all this depressing boring grey grind day after day.
I'd need to break the rut, change jobs, start something new... but I hate uncertainty am too cautious, deliberate and often just fail to capitalize on opportunities for change because of this. I have been slowly improving myself over the years especially internal awareness and my social side which used to be much worse, but its not enough... I need change.
At this point I'm 99.99999% sure I'm LSI-H -> C 6w5 So/Sx a lot of my problems seem to stem from Ne PolR and being type 6, these are things I can improve... or work around. This is the year tho. I decided already.
There are some people who are what I call "monkey-like", idk they just annoy me with their presence in general. For example Adam and You, sbbds, nanashi. :lol: hah funny that would make me Adam's dual yet I can hardly stand what he posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
The reason I defend DarkAngelFireWolf69 however does have to do with me being type 6w5 social subtype, being attached to external systems of thought, being partizan and so on. I do this with almost anything I ascribe to, politics, philosophy and religion included. When people question the systems I rely on, I get annoyed very fast. This includes personal thoughts and ways of doing things. Its not uncommon for me to disagree with someone on the logic of how to do something and stubbornly imposing it on them or just doing it myself disregarding their input if I consider it dumb. Sometimes I'm wrong tho and in hindsight I see it.
I realized this is true of me a few days ago:
Social Type Sixes: Duty
Social Sixes find comfort in authority and obeying the rules. They fear disapproval and therefore work hard to adhere to the guidelines of whatever authority figure they rely on. This obedience helps them feel safe and cope with their inherent anxiety. The Social Six can become too sure of things when they place their trust in an authority they assume is infallible. They have no tolerance for ambiguity and uncertainty.
:thinking: considering this I'll stop defending DarkAngelFireWolf69, its just my reaction, something I can control.
Ewwwwww no. Adam is ILE Don Quixote chasing invisible windmills aka seeking out Si in the arms of so-called “ESI” and always telling nonsensical stories. Adam is actually your supervisor.
And although I understand your reasoning and motivations for defending G, I think the main thing is G shouldn’t be attacked or critiqued to begin with; especially by people who don’t understand socionics beyond stereotypes and reading wiki articles that’s written by other randoms who aren’t in possession of any depth of insight nor clarity of thought. It’s a lot of people who cling onto delusions of grandeur that because they read a few online articles from questionable entities that somehow that elevates their level of expertise against G XD XD XD
Someone else hurry up and get typed already so that I can ogle the new typing xD
XD I'm getting typed in psychosophy / attitudinal psyche, you can ogle that. Results today I guess, its day 7.. deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aramas
\o/ I suspect it will be either FLVE or LFVE..
I just submitted my answers to AP 12 hours ago so I’ll get my results a week from now, Wednesday I suspect. I don’t know what type I’d get, maybe VFLE Napoleon.
Aristippe or Plato... It would be pretty cool if you are Plato since that’s the PA version of LSI.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Timur Protskiy's type is LFVE.. lol he is LSI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lolita
LOL That I can totally believe. He's good with the psychosophy stuff but really terrible with Socionics. It's like he'll type people into Gamma Quadra if they don't fit what he believes should be Beta. He also believes the Gamma Quadra is overloaded with capitalistic tyrants and we like to control society with our vast fortunes. SMH. Gamma Quadra isn't about the capitalistic titan elites, it's about being self-enterprising, self-reliant; the smallest unit of power (individual) can fight against the collective power and actually WIN. Ahhhhh the influencing society bit comes long after the fact Gamma members make their vast fortunes but that's not of any primary concern. It's an afterthought at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I've been reading about that, and this made me think of stuff you've said recently "Since the carriers of these logics are valuable not in thought itself, but in knowledge, they no longer rely on their own conclusions, but on information obtained on the basis of their experience or provided by some professional in their field." <That's a description of productive logic (1L or 4L) from this SOURCEQuote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Imo fits you better than 2L. Another quote regarding 1L "In the process of searching for new useful knowledge, First Logicians are more inclined to use books, articles and other resources than to receive them directly from other people. The fact is that information provided by a person without appropriate education and experience, a priori, causes mistrust in IL."
Contrast with 2L "The second logicians ask questions not in order to find out the answer, but in order to hear someone else's point of view and discuss it."
Anyway, that's my 2c. I'm not an "expert" tho hehe, as I just started learning this, what, yesterday?:lol:
I'm a far cry from what people would say is a "Typical Beta", even in Timur's point of view. A lot of people were split almost evenly when it came to the typing video I made for Archetype Centre, with Beta NF coming barely on top of the other options (IEE and ILE).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lolita
In spite of all that, he typed me EIE.
I'd say he is good at socionics, his parameters are a bit odd sometimes and you can't change his mind about certain stuff. He definitely has an air of higher authority with his approach to the "old schools of socionics" that he perceives as outdated and heretical-- He actually reminds me a little bit of Sol in that regard. Cute twinsies.
But anyway, looking at the bigger picture here, I'd say he is fairly competent in both psychosophy and Socionics, although the socionics practiced by him might be a bitter pill to swallow for some.
A bit of a clarification that I feel is worth giving here, since you seem to misinterpret what he thinks of Gamma: No, in his opinion, Gammas are not capitalistic tyrants. They are, like you said, self-enterprising and drawn to personal achievement. This makes them the most adaptable quadra to the modern world environment. Their sphere is influence is huge because they made it that way, and now Gamma is everywhere, lo and behold: from music to social media, politics, even literature and filmmaking, everything that is a product of modern culture has Gamma undertones in it. There's nothing tyrannical about it, it's simply the Quadra having the tightest grip in society at the current time.
But oh, the wheels of Shiva are turning...