Either way, I don't have Jack's typing listed for me, so I don't get the issue still. I also didn't say I agree with him.
Either way, I don't have Jack's typing listed for me, so I don't get the issue still. I also didn't say I agree with him.
She just gets to calling people names, like telling 20 something yr olds they're "old" to try to hurt their feelings. She turns to bullying when she can't make an actual point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
Also, anyone Kiana doesn't like is a "delta".
Somebody buy me a type for my birthday :hello:
If someone buys me a G type for christmas I'll stick to it.
Hmm... A G type for Christmas. Should be on everyone's Santa wishlist :)
are you the G man? because if you are not you just owe me 120Quote:
Originally Posted by asd
you are a sick person. And you owe me money.Quote:
Originally Posted by asd
Thank you, I really like the way you reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
I don't see how anyone can know someone well through 2 hours of talking anyway. Not to saying getting typed can't be helpful for people. Just going to say some people date people for years or live with family for years, & those people's sometimes barely really know them.
Yes or that they really ask the right questions. I'm sure people could type me different depending on the questions they ask & what type of mindset I'm in. The best would prolly be to talk through video multiple times, talk extendedly through texts, & even better spend time with that person in person both one on one & with other people to see interactions. The longer you can observe them, the better too, especially since people can be depressed or have different things going on like that at different points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
If healthy, it's pretty easy to type some people quickly, though.
Sounds like you’re jealous and salty cuz I’m more memorable than you and I don’t care for that shit. You just want to gaslight others because you’re insecure. Oh let me play my invisible violin for your tears of being insignificant because you’re so delusional that you badly want to be a type that you’re not. Oh booo boo you had to con your type. You’re such a victim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Consilience
More cringe. You come here throwing doubt against people who got typed by G and blamed them because somehow that made you feel like you’re being pressured to get typed. NO WHERE in this thread has anyone that’s been typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 including myself have EVER told others they should be typed. Now you flip the script and acting like you’re taking the moral high road with your sarcastic tone “oh good for them” bitch cop out. You’re such a damn coward. Your fake encouragement stinks even worse than your gaslighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Consilience
Fixed it for you. Vex isn’t anyone’s mouthpiece unlike you who’s a lapdog for Sb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Consilience
Oh, why are you still here? This thread is for people who got typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69. You can go make a thread that’s about people who are delusional and cling into their self-type because they wished they could be brave as those who did get typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69.
Dude, we live in dumpsters. Comfy dumpsters... or cozy caves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suspiria
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Originally Posted by Comatose Lamiac 007
Speak for yourself. Now that DarkAngelFireWolf69 is making it big I have plans to crash his place next summer. Vacations in the Black Sea woohoo!
Just to be on the safe side in the face of any misunderstanding, how do you say “we are a collective quadra, you twisted fuck” in Ukrainian?
You mean this post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
That is the same thing. Someone who is good at developing theory isn't necessarily good at applying said theory in practice and vice versa. Different skills involved. Do you understand now?Quote:
Originally Posted by peteronfireee
You are the one who took issue with the simple comparison that you misunderstood. Glad you understand it now. "Reframing" is Ti and common for H-P cognitive style, you shouldn't hate on it that much. Unless your supposed dual isn't actually using H-P cog style and uses C-D instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
Ti+Ne PolR = overthinking, doubt, analysis paralysis due to too many annoying variables and inability to arrive at a crystallized certainty due to imperfections as individuals cannot snugly fit the mold. Ti requires consistency. If anything is slightly off, that is a problem to be addressed and such problems need to constantly be addressed to reach clarity and certainty. I experience it as pedantic nitpicking at details and a need for perfection in consistency. I keep thinking about it and analyzing until all the details are ironed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybel
A concrete real system is easy to understand, map and navigate. Something more ambiguous as the mind is not, its abstract. LSI thinking is too rigid for something like this and inconsistencies send it into a loop easily.
See LSI Ne PolR:
LSIs may have difficulty processing ambiguity or uncertainty. When they are the victim of necessary ambiguity, they may have a tendency to focus on the worst-case scenario, and may attempt to expend so much effort as to be prepared for any conceivable contingency. Some LSIs may also tend to be very suspicious of others' intentions. Many LSIs have a tendency to see most issues in black and white terms, seeing others as clearly right or wrong, and they may have difficulty adapting to ideas espousing shades of gray, multiplicity of causes, or doubt, often seeing such perspectives as logically weak, unstructured, or inconsistent. Indeed, they may see little value in such ambiguous perspectives and may see them as not useful at all -- rather, strong and unarguably consistent points may seem more compelling and important to them. Only through a gradual and tireless process of experiential learning can LSIs grow to understand and alter the nature of their perspectives and categories (many older LSIs are more "mellow" than "rough").
LSIs' logical programs may necessitate that they feel a certain degree of control over others and their surroundings. LSIs that feel that they have none of their necessary control in a situation may react irritably, argumentatively, and sometimes lose control of their emotions in the form of a seemingly childish tantrum. They may have difficulty dealing with people who are consistently spastic and unreliable in their behavior, or who are always doing or seeking something new -- such individuals are too unpredictable and lawless, and offend their ability to oversee others around them.
LSIs may sometimes be seen as paranoid, overly defensive and quite territorial in dealing with others.
:thinking: LSI are sterotypical enneagram 6-es.
After explaining things from my point of view and you coming in and correcting things endlessly, I tried to patch it up multiple times IMO (which you probably didn't even notice because monkey logic). Yeah, someone can be good at a theory but not build skyscrapers, because that takes another specialist. I'm very glad we reached that conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
I'm confirmed IEI pretty much, but you can believe you and I are whatever for all I care.
Frankly I genuinely think that self typing should be 90% your own journey and 10% the opinion of others. Fuck people who battle-type others. I am pretty young (personality still malleable) and not that mentally healthy, so it’s been mildly difficult with plenty of mis-steps but I feel confident with the end result, despite not really fitting a perfect stereotype. If I listened to the opinions of others this would never happen. Also I don’t really dislike the DCNH theory itself but the way it’s been applied to “stretch” a type has put me off it completely. Some forum practitioners who will not be named also reek of confirmation bias. Big G’s analysis and effort seem well-intended and thought out but the sheer length of time spent is just too short and impacts accuracy heavily. He is familiar in English but there is still a slight language barrier. His impressive expertise applies to theory only, “knowing” a person is another thing.
I would feel differently if these people did a lengthy contact process, even a week long, interview process like Filatova did with her wonderful portraits. But of course, the money would then only be affordable and willingly billed by rich eccentric quacks. So this is what we have. But I think a much better alternative would instead have a Ti ego write a lengthy guide on how to logically assess yourself and what areas should be payed attention to or ignored, basically a compilation of the most useful information off this site, for people who struggle in that area. Big G squad is funny as a meme but is encouraging it as a thousand times better than forum typing is kind of...meh. It is better, but still not great. This is the summary of observations.
I was honestly hoping that's what it was from the very beginning. Reyne literally made a big D pun in the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybel
Yeah, I’ve been thinking, DarkAngelFireWolf69 should be having a nice Christmas this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusal
I’ve been there, too...changed a bit lately. Gotten a little bit more mentally healthy. At this point I’m starting to feel like sticking to my guns more.Quote:
Originally Posted by justalitnerdxx
Self-typing does indeed start with individual interest to explore, however it doesn’t stay that way because it’s near impossible to remove yourself from the typing process and then give an unbiased assessment applying the theory to yourself. It’s really hard to look at yourself objectively and that's why people have the tendency to self-type as something they want to be, something flattering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybel
Cognitive type isn’t about “knowing” someone at all. It’s not about “personality” or behavior. It doesn’t measure intelligence or mental health or emotional health, either. It’s about determining the map of your thinking style and tracing the origins of how you think and motivations. For G who has 30+ years experience and he knows how to recognize the subtle nuances that laypersons don’t know about. That’s why he’s a professional and we’re hobbyists.
But that’s an arbitrary amount of time from your POV. You don’t have the equal amount of experience G has in order to determine what’s sufficient time in order to determine cognitive type so how can you say that if he studied people for a weeks at a time that he’s more accurate than people submitting in their videos for an hour or under? He’s had 30 years experience and maybe he did actually start off that way. The point is, who the hell would anyone want a psychologist to follow them around for a week?! Which again, this isn’t about knowing someone on any deeper level like you’re gonna marry them or be their friend. This isn’t a personal thing. Cognitive mapping is actually more general than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybel
Reyne just created this thread to get info. G squad is fitting.
This is really cool! Is there a reason as to why Normalizing subtypes often come from Creative subtype families? DarkAngelFireWolf69 typed me as SEE-N and I’m pretty sure my parents are Delta STs but I don’t know what their subtypes could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
I agree with this sentiment, I just don't think it's deliberate gas lighting in most cases(doesn't take away from the fact it's gas lighting). Though I suppose there are some sad sad bastards preying on forums like this too. Probably not as common as people just being imposing with the way they understand the system to help them justify their self typings and the realty they have constructed themselves according to such..Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
It would be beneficial for the armchair psychologists to go forth and discover themselves.
If a person is D then they probably drive in the agenda.
I believe the memes alone are worth the venture of any undertaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suspiria
Also a wider discussion of the low quality nature of forum typing in the "What's My Type?" threads, as well as how common it is for other people to, unsolicited, "type" members without being asked to in the first place. I find it extremely rude as well as causing the other person to dig into their heels more most of the time.
Pertaining to the low quality, I just don't understand why some people will just put a type without any analysis or thorough explanation whatsoever. "You are sooooooo ESE" or "mb F type".
"You remind me of person X, who is EII" is something I'm also guilty of, but should also be avoided if that's the only comment there is. It's a valid strategy for personal use but for the person on the other end can't differentiate your validity between a quack or a genius. Going into grounded detail on what specific parts remind you of person X is also a good mental exercise for developing your typing skills.
Not that there should be an actual rule enforced or anything, but I wish people would be better at explaining themselves when typing others, put more effort into it, better for the community and all. And people shouldn't be shamed when they decide to change types, affecting how they write and view themselves. It's a part of the natural process. Maybe then people would be less inclined to spend money on typing services. That's all.
:clap: somebody else figured it out too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
YASSSSS I support this!!! This is what happens when Ti gets violated!!Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
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There was someone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
No one is winning in this corner of the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HloOBYPwlmUQuote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
To those who have been typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69:
1) How confident are you that he is correct?
2) How would you disprove his typing?
Yes, Ne PoLR sounds very 6. Anyway, depending on the wording someone who is not familiar of enneagram context might assign 6 to Ni base.
So, T + static roughly a head/gut type; F+dynamic roughly a heart/gut type. Enneagram is probably very fractured so one could take a pick. Some experts calls 7 schizotypal others would not even consider it. Oldham > enneagram but it is much harder to truly understand it as you can not due to its rigidness have highly various schools of thought. Once you discover your own Oldham type by yourself (if assisted it is a different story) it can truly bamboozle you because it calls for some sort of preliminary ego death.
I was typed IEI-H. I do trust that in his eyes it’s correct. I personally just am a little torn cause I can see more of a case for EII and myself being a Si/Ne and Fi/Te valuer. If anything I am to the belief that I’m more likely to be SEI than IEI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subteigh
That said, I am aware I have much to learn and my understanding may be faulty. There is a lot of stereotypes about what types and Quadras are like. And to me, Beta and Se is the antithesis of who I am. However I do relate to the profile I was given and the reasoning did make sense. It’s when I dig deeper I’m like “nope. Can’t be IEI”.
I’m not sure how I would disprove the typing aside from saying that myself and others who know me don’t see me as a Se valuer at all. When I’ve mentioned IEI previously as a potential typing I’ve been gently encouraged that it wouldn’t be the right type. That said, its my opinion but I likewise can’t really prove the typing wrong. Not sure I can prove it correct either. It’s DarkAngelFireWolf69’s findings and opinion at the end of the day ��*♀️
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Originally Posted by Kiana
I think it's more common the other way around, normalising parents having a creative subtype child. it's the typical situation of "my parents don't understand me". I would recommend N-sub parents with a C-sub child to figure out their specific interests and try to support them as much as they can in that area.
I have a couple of D-sub friends. all of them are very tall and have a lot of energy. some of them do sports 6 times a week. love challenges, very demanding but also supportive once you get into their inner circle. hate details, they need someone that explains them the rules of something. not inclined to self-reflection or questioning their decisions. it's easy to explain socionics to them, but they rarely spend a lot of time reading about it. often have a specific goal that they work towards (most often job-related). care a lot about data and especially efficiency. constantly criticize inefficiency in their envoriment. (accentuated Te). pay attention to people's appearance, easily get into fights and arguments with others. can easily lose their temper. expresses his opinion openly without caring what is acceptable. D and C subs seem to be good friends, the same applies to N and H subs. I assume it's because the energy level is similar. (D and C prefer excitment in their life, while N and H prefer a more quiet and predictable routine.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
oh btw, if the subtype of a person matches the base type, they will be easier to type overall. for example, dominant subtypes are based on EJ temperaments, so a dominant LSE will be extremly easy to type, you will notice it immediatly. a dominant EII on the other hand might not be easy to type. creative subs are based on EP temperaments, so a creative Ne-dom will be very easy to type and behave a bit like Doc Brown for example. a normalising LII will also be very easy to type and so on.
But why does DarkAngelFireWolf69 say there’s not a lot of normalizing types that get typed? It seems to me there’s a lot of weirdo creative types.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
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Originally Posted by Kiana
hmm I don't know about that. DarkAngelFireWolf69 only mentioned to me that his school mostly attracts creative subtypes. most people on his team are C subs. the normalising types in eastern europe don't like his school, because they are used to Model A. D the rarest subtype. from my personal observation, D subs are often leaders, politicians, sports captains, CEO's. jobs with a lot of responsibility that require a lot of work with a difficult goal. C subs are eccentrics that don't fit into society and do their own thing. can be highly gifted in an area that interests them. N-subs are the most common. you can find them anywhere. I would guess that >50% of women are N-subs. it's the most-family oriented subtype. H-subs have the least amount of energy. I think that a lot of beggars, homeless people, people with disabilities etc. are harmonsing subtypes.
I was in between types EII and ESI for myself for a while. Made videos and threads, and even asked cognitive types to type me. And eventually I gave up thinking about it. I couldn’t see myself as being Se creative, and neither could my family. But I could see how I could be Ni/Se valuing. And Se doesn’t seem to bother me all that much. If I had known it’d be pretty easy to get typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69, I would have done it before. I personally feel like IEI-N makes a lot of sense for myself and explains a lot. I know others might think DarkAngelFireWolf69’s theories are bunk, and that I’m some other type, but I’m going with what makes the most sense to me. Besides, I find someone with 30 years experience and in depth understanding on the subject having a lot more value than random people saying things like I’m a Si lead because my clothes match or I’m Se lead because I said someone’s nail polish was red (true story). I’ve read some people say it’s a journey and they should be able to make their own decisions on what their type is. But I personally felt I’m a difficult case for one, and another, as others have said, people lie. Maybe not on purpose. But possibly to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subteigh
yayyyy for normies :hug:Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
Normalizing is elevated Ti and Fi. For IEI-N, that’s strengthened demo and mob so that’s probably people can recognize stronger Fi. Hobbyists don’t know the theory so well not how to apply it properly. A lot of it is rooted in bias and then gets projected.
I imagine the D subtypes are the rarest because it’s modeled after EJ temperament so elevated Fe and Te are powerhouses in their own right. I find them less likely to seek out assistance on any level. So N subtypes are more prone to being static with what they’ve learned?Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
I'm in the camp that he's correct about me. I'm still in the process of typing since I'm still researching, but his reasoning makes the most sense so far. Especially compared to people on the forum, who use reasoning such as "I once met a cashier who looked might have been high, and she looked IEI, and you look like her, so IEI it is." IEI fits me overall. Role Si with how I dress and with how I take care of others, Fe with the my emotions are "glittery, bright, positive, and charming" even when talking about negative things, my outlook is far-ended but positive even when things are going to crap (Ni), I mainly see life as cyclical since I'm always spotting out the same patterns. Se doesn't scare me at all, I actually think it's funny when people tell me I'm being foolish or egotistical lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subteigh
If I were to debunk it, I would reason that I have fairly strong Se and might have been EIE all along. But after thinking about it, I don't utilize Se like an EIE. My Se is cautious but it's valued. I use it to break down things over time, but it takes a lot going on in life for me to tap out of one situation.
The process of self typing can be valid, but it usually takes years, otherwise there's a bias (which is fine, people are biased when reviewing themselves. It's just a fact). I was researching Socionics on and off for about 7 years before I joined this forum. I typed as IEI first. Then EIE after due to forum input. Then I got typed by G and he said IEI. So, basically back to square one, haha. I couldn't relate to Si polr when really looking at it, I enjoy baking and other cute crafting hobbies, and Te role didn't fit me since it was too painful for me to utilize.
But that's just my journey. Other people have it differently, I'm sure.
It is funny how DarkAngelFireWolf69 defines things backwards from my own perception in terms of motivational functioning which I think is largely subjective. Given that I can adjust to it.
I see a tendency for friends to group around H/C or N/D. Then the actual main types can be more or less compatible. Like a H-SEI I used to know had friends who were H-LSI and C-SLE. Or an C-ILE who hung out with C-SEE, H-SEI, H-ILE, H-ESE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
I still wish you could address what I'm actually saying instead of constantly making everything about something else. Or making my points to be about something they are not. They call this "strawman" arguments. For the sake that you might actually not be doing this intentionally, I'll explainQuote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
You don't actually know that, you are assuming that just because you don't know me. So how is this in any way helpful here?Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Well clearly if I try to say you meant "anything" by it, you will just ignore that. So what exactly did "YOU" mean by even posting that then? You were originally talking about you think authoritarian is better than democracy and that they should be in control to make decisions, then you post a picture of an authoritarian leader, stalin making a heart. So what were you saying there then? It seemed like a pretty clear endorsement of Stalin.Quote:
I agree, yeah, so your point with this is?
Well, DarkAngelFireWolf69 follows it then, which is actually great. I'm finding less flaws with his thinking now, though I'm probably never going to accept DCNH as all that helpful.Quote:
It is addressed in DarkAngelFireWolf69's book, see up to page 36 from the beginning. Socionics is based on Jung's work and it is explained how and why they came up with the 16 types.
Here is just one an extract from page 19:
Another one from page 15:
But that wasn't my point...my point was about the forum. Why you have to "strawman" my point? Most the forum follows things other than Jung and even believes it is best regarded as a separate theory. This is gravely mistaken.
That's the thing though, I for example do have reputation, just not publicly, because I don't want people to care about that because "I" think it clouds people's judgements or makes things about that when it should be about learning.Quote:
Thats what I said. I'm a merry aka subjectivist according to quadric dichotomies. I place weight on reputation. You guys have no reputation, I have no reputation, we aren't trained in this, so I disregard anything you guys say and I question my own observations and reasoning on other people's types. I did type myself across several models and systems, LSI is the only type that makes sense across the board for me due to many reasons. Idk about other ppl, I'm satisfied with knowing this about myself.
When someone comes to me saying they are my dual and they haven't been typed by someone with reputation, I don't believe them lol.. why would I?
I'd rather hear people reason things themselves and post their honest thoughts and not the thoughts of someone else. That's just me and I get where you are coming from, but I think you do learning a disservice by trying to shortcut with someone like DarkAngelFireWolf69 or telling people they should do the same or telling them they are wrong about their understanding and should defer to someone else. It's like cheating on an engineering test, you got the answer, but if you actually try and do what you didn't learn, it's going to fail miserably. I mean what's the point in knowing your type, if you can't type others? Even if DarkAngelFireWolf69 could type everyone in your life, still what's the point when you can't really make sense of it all yourself?
Maybe we just value different things here I guess. But this fascination with authority "in regards to socionics", something very personal because it's about our understanding of ourselves and others, which can involve subjectivity and thus be pseudoscience, I just don't get. And I really don't see how that truly enlightens anyone.
It's just frustrating when I try to make points with you, you disregard or make them about something else. You make me not even want to log in and talk on the forum because I don't even want to look at your reply. And yet you are supposed to be Merry? And now you are helping to turn the forum into a place where only people with some kind of "authority" matter...that's sad, especially when questions of identity are more a personal thing, than something an authority is supposed to conclude...I mean I have no problem with putting more weight on people like DarkAngelFireWolf69, but don't assume everyone else is an idiot just because some people have a poor typing ability or devalue what's gained through personal experience and applying the theory personally. That's just being an ass. And I don't at all expect you to understand at this point, but it is a bit sad and it does take some of the curiosity and fun out of this place, if that's what it comes down to.Quote:
Idk, you seem to me like you are emotional and angry. Its pointless to converse with you, I'm mainly writing this for other ppl reading.
That's fine and I get it, but again...that wasn't my point. My point was that you haven't put in the effort or gotten enough experience to learn to type effectively (which you agree with I think), so when you sayQuote:
:thinking: yeah, but I don't care about your problems, nor do I want to type you. e_e I'm not your shrink, friend, parent or nanny..
It does mean you don't know who is a good typer or not and telling people their typings are wrong makes no sense. Sure, someone like DarkAngelFireWolf69 is going to be better at typing than someone that just started socionics, or maybe even someone that hasn't put much thought into it either, but that doesn't really give you the right to tell complete strangers they must be wrong about typings just because you don't know them or they don't have some kind of authority or credentials...this isn't even science...it's more pseudoscience, so please get out with that high and mighty nonsense. :8*Quote:
I don't see why or how understanding or caring about specific individuals or not affects the validity of my arguments.
They use temperament and subtypes so definitely not safsom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
You actually do have stronger Se because you’re creative subtype which strengthens Se and Ne. The dimensions are in relation to the functions to give you an idea of how your functions are weighted compared to one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
Not me. Are they really a multi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
@Uncle Ave
"Uncle Ave LSI"
To be typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 as T you could to have the similar issue as mentioned there. You wanted to have T much.
@thegreenfaerie to get base T is among most funny typings of the local "funny squad"
Yeah, that seems a bizarre typing to me. If I were considering sending the man money, that would be enough to make me abandon that idea instantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
You’re right it is funny since you’re really just a sad, depressed, lonely LSI and you’re upset that they have clarity and you’re chasing a pipe dream aka EII XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Sol
I'll just share my opinion. I think when DarkAngelFireWolf69 gets it right, it's beautiful. But I don't believe he always gets it right. Even disregarding his methods and culture/language barriers it's not possible to be right all the time about something this subjective. It's a substitute for a certainty that doesn't exist. This isn't to say it isn't informative nor that it is meaningless. On the contrary, it's interesting. It's just not cut and dry. It's not the Truth necessarily. It's not an absolute. There are no absolutes in socionics. No matter what, a human being is always more than this.
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you’re pretty funny, too @Sol. A different kind of funny, but still pretty funny :hello:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
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Originally Posted by inumbra
in my opinion it's really really difficult to type people that you don't know anything about from a 15 minute video. some people here should try it themselves just to get an idea of the difficulty. especially when the person doesn't remind you of any pattern that you have observed so far.
you don't really pay money for an accurate typing result, but for the time that DarkAngelFireWolf69 spends figuring out your type and for the 40 years of experience he has. on average, he probably gets way more typings right than Jack or Timur or some of the clowns on this website who constantly criticize DarkAngelFireWolf69 for using baseless theories.
It's good not only to give truth and reason, but also inspire positive emotions. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by inumbra
A competent diagnostician would ask for a longer video in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
I don't always agree with Jack but he certainly does better than DarkAngelFireWolf69 does.
oh eff off mfgQuote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
Your logic is shit to me
I was just giving an example to highlight my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
I don't know, the interviews I've seen on his channel were pretty disappointing. I might be a bit biased though since I don't really get along with him. I remember having like an hour long chat with him about Taylor Swift's type haha. he think she is an EII which seems laughable to me, but it was a fun unexpected discussion. he doesn't seem to be able to recognize temperaments, though. I guess it's a normalising school for other N-types who only focus on classical socionics. too rigid and boring for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
There's an Internet rumour that he spends the money he makes on vodka.
I agree that Taylor Swift as EII is ridiculous. Sometimes Jack is easily swayed by people he should not be swayed by, and that is one example.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
As for temperaments, I don't even find them useful (in particular the rationality part which is very difficult to observe). DCNH is even more useless, not to mention the ridiculous and unethical claims by DarkAngelFireWolf69 and his followers that people who disagree with DarkAngelFireWolf69 do so due to their subtypes and not the absurdity of his ideas.
hmm I guess it's probably my accentuated Se, but I feel like you don't really have an authority to consider his ideas absurd. I made the same observations as DarkAngelFireWolf69, but you're not a creative subtype, you perceive it differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
Anyone who understands socionics has the authority to question his ideas. If DarkAngelFireWolf69's theories are only true for some people then they no longer describe reality which is what socionics is about. I would never dismiss, say, a Te valuer's criticisms of socionics based on their type - that's not the right way to use typology.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
it's just my personal observation. DCNH is a hierachy that is determined by your genetics. you need to have accentuated Se to notice it, and normalising subtypes, having accentuated introverted functions, simply often don't notice this. it's as fair of a claim as saying that sensing types and extroverts have a more difficult time getting into socionics. and the dynamic that DarkAngelFireWolf69 describes is also true for me:Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
"Subtype relations that are asymmetric and repellent. To designate these relations we will use the term subtype supervision. They bear the nature of rate setting, retention within a framework, one-sided slowing down. They have the opposite direction compared to subtype benefit. They are useful in terms of correction and fixing of errors. Dominant inspects harmonizing. Harmonizing inspects normalizing. Normalizing impedes and corrects creative."
this happens to me all the time, how N-subs passively criticize my perception, and it just irritates me immensely. as a normalising subtype, you are the supervisor in this dynamic, and you probably don't even notice it. the difference is just that supervision as an ITR is really painful while with subtypes it's just irritation. when I talk to other C-Subs, they immediatly get what I mean.
DarkAngelFireWolf69 just wants to figure out why people have the same type and yet behave so differently. take an SLE with base Se for example, do you think that a 6'3 tall SLE and a 5'6 tall SLE would apply Se in a similar way? or don't you think the 5'6 tall SLE might not have that much success applying pressure onto others, and instead develops other functions, most likely introverted ones?
On the Taylor Swift tangent: I think she is the same type Tea Leoni is, whom I have as ILE. I saw someone in the Gamma threads claim LIE for Leoni, which might as well be. So lie/ile for both, either one or neither one of them, but their type lies in that pair. To be taken with the biggest grain fo salt.
Doesn't dialectical-algorithmic style of cognition by its definition put a person in the position of corrector no matter the dcnh?Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
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Originally Posted by Rusal
I think Taylor Swift is an EIE with creative subtype. as with his cognitive styles, I haven't look that much into them, so I don't have much to add.
There are times like right now where I want my Chad kindred SLE to leave their personal gyms to come punch all these nobody LII nerds and other Alphas who are talking shit and have no fucking idea what they’re talking about. They act like they know so much and can level their pointless critiques at DarkAngelFireWolf69 who has a PhD in psychology, has been trained by Augusta, and over 30 years of experience with his own research institute. BTW, Model G is the completion and refinement of Augusta’s energy model which is a deeper and more detailed model based off Model A. It’s not made up shit. I get so damn sick of all these know-it-all’s wanking off to their bullshit Ti because they’re so scared to submit themselves under G’s analysis so they have to gaslight those who did just so they can maintain their fakeass air of intellectualism. FUCK OFF
It's unethical to dismiss people's opinions based on their type, and especially so when it's to deflect criticism of yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by asd
I don't think DCNH in itself is absurd, I was mainly referring to DarkAngelFireWolf69's other theories like cognitive styles (and certain aspects of Model G though it's not as bad as cognitive styles).Quote:
oh btw, I am also curious about why you found it "absurd," if you don't mind me asking?
DCNH has issues, like the subtypes not being independent of type. There are other ways to divide up types and this seems far from the most obvious one. I have not found it useful at all, personally, it's tied in closely with DarkAngelFireWolf69's other ideas which are growing further away from classical socionics.
Another red flag is that DarkAngelFireWolf69's school claims that DCNH actually determines our everyday relationships more than our sociotype.
I also just don't find it interesting to divide up the types further when so many people have issues determining the sociotype in the first place (including DarkAngelFireWolf69).
It's really not a fair claim at all. Socionics is a personality theory, so is DCNH. There's literally no extra cognitive resource you need to understand one instead of the other. That makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
And, it has no bearing on the validity of DCNH, or socionics. So there is no point in bringing it up when people criticize it.
Somehow, I don't think it's fear of submitting to DarkAngelFireWolf69...
Well, if SEI (terminal) wants family and ILE has no motive to bring in necessary money (ofthen the case of initial subtypes) - I think it is going to have huge effect.
Why are you tagging me on this? Why are you following me into the music channel and trying to prove I lack logic due to posting a song from my phone? You say all this shit about Fi-valuers not being rude, and yet you continue to behave quite rudely and follow people around battle-typing them aggressively. Who cares what someone puts as their TIM and stop taking it so serious. This is an explorative process for a lot of people. You know very little about where people are coming from when they come here and why they behave as they do through text on an internet forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
You have no idea why I put up DarkAngelFireWolf69’s typing as my TIM and I can assure you it wasn’t due to taking his word for complete truth at all. However, I can say that his analysis was far more valuable than any word you’ve uttered to me on this forum. Learn to speak to people with decency and in a more rational manner about your observations of their typing yourself. People would listen to you more. You behave like a troll and like someone far young than you are. Perhaps you should be re-evaluating your own typing.
In regards to Uncle as well, have you seen his videos? You assume way too much. I have seen them and Uncle wasn’t trying to force T. Furthermore, DarkAngelFireWolf69 went off non-verbal also, which no one had a clue what he would be looking for in that regard. Stop being an asshole.
Nobody told you to send the man money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
Suck my DarkAngelFireWolf69 verified dick btw.
The opinions of non verified plebeians have been noted and disregarded. Know your place.
> -4DSidisgustmicroexpression.papyrus
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It is absolute. The functions are typical. That's the whole point of socionics. The fact that a human being is always more doesnt change anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by inumbra
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Originally Posted by Kiana
regarding hotel's criticism that the accentuated functions don't really work with Model A: I think DarkAngelFireWolf69 is aware that Model A isn't perfect, but it's still a good foundation.
maybe I can give another example: let's say your type is SLE and because of an accident, you will have to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair. it will be almost physically impossible, outside of perceiving reality in a detailed way, for you to use Se or the other extroverted functions in an effective way. so what are you going to do? you will spend your life focusing on your introverted functions, getting a throughout understanding of you interests (Ti), maybe you will focus more on religion and spirituality (Ni), on comfort (Si) or even on the relationships with people that you depend on in some way now (Fi). if you put this SLE beside an army general with the same type, you will clearly notice that they are extremly different, despite having an identical type, but people who cling to classical socionics will just say "no, they have the same type and that's it".
hope that example somewhat conveys my point.
regarding Kiana's comment: bring on the SLE's. I train 6 times a week with a dominant LSE in a park. they have no chance :p
Sol has a wild hair up his rear. He does this to random people some times, though usually it’s self typed EII’s. He typed @justalitnerdxx base T the other day :confused2:Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie
so yeahh
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Originally Posted by aster
I remember joining this site, mentioning that I translated roughly 1000 pages of socionics articles and descriptions into german and being extremly sure about my type, and yet sol insisted for months that I'm an IEI because I wore a shirt with flowers in my profile picture. he wrote that in almost every thread. it's best to ignore him. I think he has a mental illness.
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Originally Posted by dead account
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Originally Posted by Subteigh
Not very, even though his analysis was pretty spot on. I agree that 40 minutes over video is not enough time to accurately type a lot of people. I do think he identified aspects of my type correctly (Ij and harmonizing for example) and I could see pretty clearly where he was coming from. To me it seems like something that brought me closer to settling on my actual type rather than being my actual type. I found it rather valuable honestly and I don’t regret it.
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I’m not going to go in depth here, but I would just counter with speaking in greater depth about my passions, my motivations and my history. Only so much can be said in such a short time. There is a surprising amount that does actually work for LSI to anyone who has taken the time to get to know me, but I too doubt it greatly. However, I haven’t gotten to the point of working out the kinks. I’m kind of tired of analyzing myself.
Next time wear an apron that has printed care bears running in a cloudy meadow holding hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
DarkAngelFireWolf69 isn't even honest enough about evidence to avoid making positive claims about type distribution.
Best case he's a moron, worst case he's a fraud.
I still stand by what I said here and most everyone who has seen my videos is saying xSI... DarkAngelFireWolf69 wasn’t tripping, but once again, it’s not really enough information provided to ascertain the type of many...
However, I do think most of the people who were typed either had their typing right or in the right ballpark.
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Originally Posted by leckysupport
Hey, our avatars look pretty cool together heehee @Uncle Ave
You joined in 2005??? Wtf? @Uncle Ave
There is some % of mistakes due to imperfect skills of anyone, a part of those mistakes can be strong by similar reason. So some number of mistakes of any degree is not so important. The most important for skills evaluation is % of mistakes, in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
> If I were considering sending the man money, that would be enough to make me abandon that idea instantly.
I'm not sure DarkAngelFireWolf69 is much weird in typing compared to common from practical view. Average typing match is rather low and points on possible common typers accuracy - 30-50%. Even if due to intensive usage of doubtful hypotheses he'd make more mistakes alike in 1.5 times and had the accuracy of 40% / 1.5 = ~30% - that 10% worse accuracy has no practical meaning.
I never paid money for my own typing. :) I got opinions about my type from several experienced ones in typing: 2 of them were admins of Socionics sites and 1 organised Socionics meetings. That was not serious typing process, but somehow 2 said as most possible type LSE and 3rd mentioned LSE among some other close. That helped me to understand own type. So to get opinions from experienced ones in the typology is useful. Same is with tests - they help, as have much higher than accidental accuracy.
If tests give too different results or what you get seems is not close to you, if you can't get enough of independent opinions (good to have several to notice traits where they match) about own type for free from people which have typology practice and think seriously about types, but not only flood on forums and alike, - then paid typers is not bad choice. It's hard to say objectively which typer would be better to choose - as they generally should be relatively close in skills. You may choose by your "taste" and prices. I may recommend to choose those who holds closer to classical theory - this may some arise the accuracy. Recommend avoid the ones who intensively uses non-behavioral methods as physiognomy, astrology, etc - that should be close to accidental typing. Good when it's possibly to be typed by IRL interview. I'd also recommend the ones who uses intensively nonverbal VI (this helps to reduce the problem of types prejusticed self-descriptions by the ones who read the theory), but do not know such ones. Experienced MBTI typers should be an option too, as mainly type by correct dichotomy theory - but I suspect that Socionics tests may give comparable usefulness.
So DarkAngelFireWolf69 seems among acceptable choices, at least. Just not among recommended as uses much of theoretical mess.
It is when you bring it up whenever people are criticizing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by asd
I didn't say accentuated functions don't work with Model A. In fact I think it is obvious that, e.g., some people have accentuations in functions 6, 2, or 8 that seem roughly mutually exclusive of one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account
It makes less sense why someone would have both accentuated Ti and Fi, or Si and Ni. Those IMEs are opposite in their priorities. And then DarkAngelFireWolf69 made it asymmetric by throwing in one of the other introverted elements.
And for someone to have accentuated vulnerable function? That doesn't seem likely.
C'mon baby light my fireQuote:
Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie
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Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
So what sort of substances LSI's smoke these days?
My distilled tears. They smell like misery and menthol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Comatose Lamiac 007
Mad cuz wasted 120 dollarsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
thegreenfaerie and Herzy understandably doubt their result as it came out far from what they thought themselves to be.. :thinking: but I still think their types fit as well. I'm not going to go around and try to convince them otherwise however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
Considering Viktor came out SLE and Kyana SEE, Vex IEI and Suspiria EIE, me LSI..
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That was money well spent. Tbh to me its a bit bizarre considering that ppl on here have been into this for years, some even decades, they rely on the theory, but despite 120$ being practically pocket change to most westerners, they have never got themselves typed and then they try to discredit the very source of the logical system they rely on.
... beyond illogical.
I can understand Sol, I mean he considers everything outside of fundamentals to be heresy, but the rest.. idk, is just illogical. Maybe its fear, arrogance or both, beats me.
At least ppl who got themselves typed had the balls to subject themselves to interrogation, to see if their self identified types held up or not. Only they know to what degree the result will be of use to them in life, for improvement and otherwise.
:love: Only time will tell what my opinion on my typing is. I need to stop letting others who don’t really know much about me at all, get to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I agree that $120 isn’t really a big deal for a lot of people, especially considering how invested so many of us are in this.
I feel so out of the loop on here sometimes :( I just can’t keep up with everything.
I tried figuring out the discord thing earlier and the link was expired! Ugh this is not turning out to be my week.
Who all has been typed so far? Viktor and Herzy got typed, too? (I’m not really familiar with herzy but I’ve heard of them somewhere)
what type am i, look at the photos i just posted, too
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Originally Posted by aster
I could be EII, I could be IEI, I could be IEE, I could even be SEI...but to me LII doesn't really seem possible. I did explore LII but I just can't see that being me at all :hide: when I was here before it was adamantly thought by him that I was SEI or IEI and kept tagging me in threads to tell me so...
the arrogance and ignorance of this post...:8*Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
for one, DarkAngelFireWolf69 is not the source of any system we rely on, if anything, people doubting DarkAngelFireWolf69 have really more than one problem with his theories; and second, what the fuck do you know about people's possibilities to afford a 120$ reading? right now? where a 50% of jobs have disappeared and people don't have the money to cry... lucky you if you have 120$ spilling out of your ass, spending them on DarkAngelFireWolf69 is definitely not what anyone would do and it's idiotic to think otherwise.