lol good luck aster
lol good luck aster
hmm I'm not sure if me seeing another video would help you all that much. in the end, you'll have to decide for yourself which type you are. I personally feel that IEI is probably the type that I recognize the best, since many of my online friends who are into abstract art have this type and my intuition has an easier time recognizing some patterns of behaviour. I admire your type from a distance, probably because of the benefit dynamic. IEI's are the ones that inspire me the most. out of the 762 examples of my typing gallery, 144 are IEI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suspiria
http://soziotypen.de/die-16-soziotyp...r/iei-lyriker/
listening to mozart, reading dostoevsky, watching tarkovsky films, all these artists had a huge influence on my life. I feel like I said what I wanted to say about your potential type.
not sure if I'm going to stick around on this website but you were one of the more interesting people on here.
Better DarkAngelFireWolf69 than 99% of the people on this forum, his report shows that he actually went through and analyzed all the things you say as well as using some body language indicators. On here half the time you get people saying that they know this one person that they passed on the street one time and they typed that person as XXX because they were wearing red shoes and that you remind them of this person, so you must be type XXX. It really is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
What we need is an actual marker point to judge everything off of for socionics on this forum. And what would be better than someone well known who has spent a significant amount of time and effort with semi-new but still grounded ideas to do this.
yes, I completely agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
Do you think that DarkAngelFireWolf69 can type people in just a couple of hours of online analysis better than they can type themselves though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
Suspiria made a very long and prolific typing thread here with a very astute and thorough self-analysis where he finalized himself as IEI at the end of it. Same with people like thegreenfaerie, who spent lots of time collecting impressions of herself from various people and self-analyzing.
I feel like if members are being pressured to just defect to DarkAngelFireWolf69’s typing with the belief that “a professional is always better/right”, it’s almost like they’re being told to gaslight themselves and others.
Also this is a discussion forum, and it kills a lot of discussion hence the entire point of this forum.
I'm not a conservative lol and its nothing like that tbh. More like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody
Source: https://socioniks.net/article/?id=17Quote:
Beta quadra - the quadra of central collectivists, is characterized by public (state) property combined with authoritarian power. This combination allows large territories to be united and kept under single control for a long time.
Beta necessarily maintains a strict hierarchy of seniors and vassals, or, in modern parlance, a rigid management vertical. For the first time, we find a detailed justification of the necessity and main functions of the state from beta positions in the famous "Leviathan" by T. Hobbes. The philosopher argues that the state, like the sea monster Leviathan, should cause fear and awe among its subjects. Beta types are thus the most pronounced and consistent statists. Quadra Beta can rightfully be considered a quadra of troubles and revolutions. Only she effectively acts in extreme crisis conditions, without losing cohesion and organization.
The most quarrelsome types of people are concentrated in the Beta quadra. To keep them together, you need a strong patriarchal family, consisting of several generations living under one roof, guided by the firm hand of its head. This is the natural organization of family life for lower-class beta people.
However, it is wrong to think that the Second Quadra cannot exist without despotism. The ideal of government in the Second Quadra is an enlightened monarch. In Plato, as you know, philosophers should have ruled the state. In ancient times, this ideal was embodied in Marcus Aurelius, who was not only a successful emperor, but also a talented philosopher.
Over the years of being active and political I have slowly gravitated towards this as the only viable solution for very good reasons, I don't even like democracy :/.. imo its the dumbest thing, even ppl in the past understood this. A ship needs a qualified and trained captain and crew, not random businessman with money and lying idiots who answer to lobbyists.
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/fc/2f/50/f...10c629e225.jpg
I'm more of a authoritarian bastard, I like proper qualified and effective authority, power is a tool to be wielded for the benefit of the collective, without sacrificing the individual. EDIT: even within the family, I contribute financially and otherwise to the well functioning of my family, I sacrifice for my brother and do my part. I try not to step out of line where it would hurt us, but I step on ppl's toes if they become a threat. Its a kind of us vs them, follow the chain of command and do your part / there will be no snowflake exceptions.
You typing him SLE doesen't make him SLE, he could be anything lmao. I don't type ppl I know because my opinion is BS.Quote:
I have an SLE-Ti stepfather who is not a type 8. He has elements of 3, 2, 7, and 9. I think he's probably 397. I don't really understand the idea that Se is about aggression and being pushy or something like socionics says. I think that is just type 8 enneagram behavior, which might be more often correlated with say Se and Te or even Fe to some extent, but it's not a must.
I'm Ne PolR and type 6. I prefer one good option and certainty, rather than guessing games.Quote:
Could be. I think SLI are more people of action, whereas ILE are more people of novelty. Ne doesn't sound like you though based on your thoughts about materialism and you do seem, no offense, to have an aversion to alternate possibilities and such.
Or you could get typed and benefit, IF you want to. Wasting time and effort trying to guess yourself for years is unproductive tbh and costs more than you know (there, have some Te). Idk why get upset, this is constructive feedback common sense Ti.Quote:
But thanks for responding. I think I might leave the forum and stop thinking about this stuff, since it seems I'm getting nowhere with it now and as I get older I think I adopt many different ways of being that I use to blend in, making type a rather meaningless designation to me...it all seems incredibly relative, a too precise mathematics of constantly trying to frame ever-changing dualistic aspects of personality. Yeah, I think I'm done.
I don't think ppl are questioning your 4D Se tbh. I just saw more inclination towards Gamma Te and preference towards Gamma values in comparison. If SLE works then that's fine with me. Welcome, comrade :">.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlytherinPower
Thanks SGF : ) Overall, I just see Se/Ni for myself. I'd say I'm either SLE with good Fe or SEE with good Te. SxE works overall though imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I'd be curious if anyone would get typed by more than one typists if they'd come to the same conclusion or how their reasoning would differ.
Count me in. I see it as a form of Ti seeking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
Hopefully not.Quote:
In any case, it's not like anybody who got typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 is saying others must be typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69, anyways, or bow down, kiss his feet, and wash his feet with their hair lol.
All hail to DarkAngelFireWolf69.
I just want to remind to the forum that this is not the first time that people seek out for a professional typing, other past or still active members have done the same, not necessarily with DarkAngelFireWolf69, and some of them have even come here to question their professional typing, 'cause want it or not, they sensed something else.
So don't condemn this forum for being shallow and stupid about typing, when there are actually valid members that have spent years when not decades immersed in socionics, and sometimes what they say might just come out as a stereotype, but that's actually the sum of years of analysis and insight. Now you're praising DarkAngelFireWolf69's lack of stereotypes, but I think that's just how he types too, according his set of rules and ideas, and of course he won't tell you " you look like Mr Ivanoshka from middle school whom I typed *Intfpj*, that's not professional, but tbh, analogy and parallels are a necessary step to type someone, and so are stereotypes.
They can be bad or good analysis or stereotypes, off or on spot, that's the main matter.
I'm sorry to say that I don't really like DarkAngelFireWolf69's theories, and honestly I don't want to spend that much money to get typed by him, but I'd be curious to do that, and would really take his opinion on my type SERIOUSLY, but my own ideas will prevail, in the end, it's not a preconception, but I know I'll have to elaborate what he says before accepting it as a truth about me.
And even, I'd like to discuss my ideas about my type, and someone else's conclusions about my type, with someone, and not just accept whatever they think and say because "THEY'RE ABOVE ME!! THEY KNOW!", because I have no idea of how many times I went to doctors, psychologists, and other REAL professionals, just to, in the end, cure myself alone, that their remedies were worse than my conditions. Or they were just diagnosing something wrong.
In the realm of self discovery I think it's the communication to win over the divulgation. Where the first is an active exchange, and the second just a passive "trusting" activity, that we rely to someone else.
And it's really funny to see how most Ti valuing independent thinkers over here are relying their optimal function to someone else.
(other things are funny too but let's not delve too much... )
The results on my type are in!
DarkAngelFireWolf69 typed me IEI-N (Normalizing subtype)
And you have four kids, and you like Bing Crosby and old-timey Christmas music. Amazing. Can you share his reasoning?Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
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Originally Posted by Vex
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Originally Posted by Vex
Your attitudes and actions are totally contradictory. Here you are telling me that I should “just get typed” as if it’s a replacement for type discussion (which you refer to as “dumb fights”, even though I wasn’t even the one disputing my type in the first place, you were). You are telling people that you’re not condoning hailing DarkAngelFireWolf69, meanwhile saying that his reasoning trumps everybody else’s opinion. You had only posted a tiny portion of his analysis it seems. While I agree with his impressions of you, I don’t think most people would necessarily jump to an IEI typing based off of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
“Irrationality is more than rationality. Aster is characterized by mood swings throughout the days and weeks. This happens in people with an unbalanced and sensitive nervous system. Her melancholic temperament also determines the propensity for depression. But because of introversion and a friendly smile, strangers do not see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Asters intuition determines her ethics. First she perceives or imagines a certain image, and then the feelings that form her attitude are incorporated. This is how the psyche of the irrationals (perceptive types) is organized.
The reverse alternation of functions would also result in a humanitarian, but ethical- intuitive type, which would not be distinguished by such tenderness and grace because of a more static and rational structure of the psyche.
In addition, Aster’s behavior is characterized by flexibility and adaptability. She was able to adapt to the difficult situation of raising four children, and each of them with its own difficulties in character. This temperament is weak in appearance, but nevertheless persistent over time is called receptive-adaptive in HS.”
”Aster’s deep values are the sense of justice, the need for a decent inspiration, the ability to take control in difficult life situations, faith in humanitarian ideals. Recurring images of her dreams are often gloomy and scary. Most of them are nightmares. Often they are symbolic. For example, a dream about falling from the sky hints at a collision of romantic vision and everyday reality in her life. These values, as well as displaced fears, belong to romantic-power beta quadra.”
https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-cont...d-facepalm.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by aster
And of course now people will say "I never thought of this type but it completely makes sense"... It's not really my problem but the naivety in this place is damn impressive.
Why not? IEIs will be the most dedicated of mothers and get really nostaligic as they grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Gotta say I’m sticking with how I could see ESI or EII for you @aster but not IEI... you’re really nice but I doubt that we’re duals. XD
Cool analysis though, hope it worked for you!
ive always had very morbid and symbolic nightmares since I was a child, and I never suffered any trauma (that I know of)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ania
Honestly, I don’t know what to say, but yes, it was the type I was expecting to be typed. Not at first, but after I watched my second video. And I figured there would be people who wouldn’t agree. And yes, some people have consider this type for me such as @thehotelambush and @mu4 after seeing a video I posted on here a few years ago. I did consider it for a time but a few people (not mentioning any names) basically bullied me out of considering it.
Seems OK, if it reflects your thinking style. People seem to type characters more than thinking which is not what this is really about. So it's a lot about adaptation and adaptation skills do not necessarily reflect type.
Yes, IEI's can be great mothers. But of the seven mature adult IEI's whom I know IRL, exactly two are presently married and there are two offspring in the entire group (not from the same ones who are married.) In contrast, Aster has four kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusal
Odds seem pretty long. But you know, when you start flipping coins, you can get four heads in a row.
yes, I doubt we are duals also, but I have thought you an ethical type for a while now :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
OK, I'll shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
lol , if it helps he thinks from how I described my husband, he is SLE and the reason I am depressed is basically because I’m at home trying to be a sensorQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
That’s fine. Tbh you have observed me for a while so I appreciate you saying your impression of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
And I remember I used to be fixated on the idea of you being SEI LOL. I take all that back now. It was just based on some really dumb reasoning about your aesthetic choices.
I actually know an IEI who has 5 kids Adam, from 3 different marriages though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Anyone can have kids. Cognitive types have nothing to do with having kids and how many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Anyway, fuck this shit. I’m leaving.
:shock: congrats! I hope his advice helps you IRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
regardless, my sincere congratulations to all the (beta for now) people who have been willing to go through this experiment. I really admire your courage and your sharing, so thank you. if i could i'd try the same, but i have no money :D
and i think some of the ones typed here are spot on, maybe others are less, but who cares what i say, regardless, kudos ***
Quoting for posterity, with respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by qaz00
:thinking: yeah, this is what I don't like tbh. Imo its fine to give one's opinion, but socionics can be useful and not just a "badge" type. I got some advice from DarkAngelFireWolf69 that is useful for me in life and knowing that I'm a sensor now with these cognitive preferences has made it ok to stop struggling and just do things that come more naturally to me, just as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
Now I want everybody in this forum to be typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 so I can see them type without forum bulling bias.
And once again the predictions of Sol fulfill through the typings of heretics and like 90% of the ppl in here are Beta.
@Tommy, you should make that 100% of the people here. I went to DarkAngelFireWolf69's web site and took an on-line test and got LSI. Because, you know, I'm introverted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
But maybe I'm LSI-D. That would explain it.
that would explain why you can't get a dual :hyper:. I get SLI in his test. I must be textbook SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
:shifty: the forum is full of weird beta ppl.. just sayin. Sol might be looking for that elusive EII a long ass time.
shitthatneverhappened.txtQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Thank you! I think it has. It was well worth it, imo!Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
lol honestly the reason I have so many kids is birth control doesn’t seem to work for me. I’ve gotten pregnant on it 3 times. The only kind that works is IUD’s, which I have now, thank god. If I get pregnant again, someone kill me please. Thank you. Lol but no serious I was a birth control baby and so was my brother. Evidently they aren’t as affective for some women, and it can be hereditary. Lucky me!
I don't get why the idea that types and quadras are not more or less evenly distributed among the general (or even forum) population is controversial. There is no reason to think they are, in fact the numbers that do exist suggest they are not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhTBaVzLl18
I find Timur's methods a bit...eh personally, but I don't see why his hypothesis would be wrong.
sol would probably type DarkAngelFireWolf69 in his interview as mb F type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
that was interesting. I have been wondering for a while if ESI is the most common type overall, but I also think that caregivers are probably very common too, since they are the most family-oriented types.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
maybe an interesting clip for some people here would be this short lecture with DarkAngelFireWolf69 (@4:04)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrBJ88ZmA4Y
he mentions that intuitive extroverts are more likely to frequently question their types and makes an interesting comment about it. I would add that it also has to do irrationality, because you're very dependent on your mood. it's very common here for example that IEI think they have a different type. rational types are people that rather stick with one type, even if that one is wrong.
: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
My words stemmed from not just your comment, but those of many others here that shamed the forum incompetence, to which I agree to a good degree anyway, but I was pointing out that there are still good typers here who spend really a lot of time, way more than DarkAngelFireWolf69, when someone pops out wanting to be typed, and then keep questionining and analyzing. I'm not offended, I was trying to bring a better light to the forum reality. : )Quote:
It's not about condemning the forum as a whole. Just some of the practices of some forum members here. If a person is offended by something I said then clearly they fall into the category of what I say, not sorry.
yeah, and apparently most of the typed here don't agree with you, because Mr G better.Quote:
There are Socionists afaik who have started on this forum as well, and I wouldn't mind seeking out their services in the future to try and learn more about Socionics.
Again, my words did not come from your comment alone. Anyway, exactly as you say, all those categories ARE stereotypes.Quote:
I don't think anyone is praising DarkAngelFireWolf69 specifically when talking about a lack of stereotypes. I was thinking about some Timur Protskiy video when I wrote that actually, but that's besides the point. I can't speak for Godlenko but when I look at my conclusion that I got from him, he mainly looks at how a person reasons and watches their body language to see if things are consistent. He'll sometimes look at the environment AFAIK, how a person dresses, but these are arbitrary and I think he realizes that, hence the DCNH system
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Yeah it's fine if you don't like his theories, and I understand still being curious about it. Though if you get typed, you'd want to get typed by someone who's methods and theories you can get behind, of course.
still they identify with a type, and that's a kind of truth about them.Quote:
I'm not really sure what you mean when you say "accepting it as a truth about me" because people aren't their types.
It's great, really, if you found help and guidance through this process, this alone gives merit to Gule., from what I understood, part of his analysis consists in practical life tips, and I think that adds a lot of value to his work.Quote:
It's perfectly fine to want to talk about ideas relating to your type as well, after being typed, since this leads to learning and gathering more information. People are going to have different ideas overall depending on what you say but it's given me different perspectives on the whole thing, personally speaking.
why?Quote:
IMO it's also kind of incomparable to relate this to bodily and psychological health and professionals in these areas not fully being able to diagnose an ailment, to someone who's researched a psychological theory regarding the favored methods of processing various types of information and is considered a master in their area.
I thought of other sectors too, like last week my boiler broke and I called the plumber that just made it worse, in the end my SEE friend told me to read the manual and I fixed the boiler alone, lol. but I thought that a comparison with a psychologist would be more in line with the activity of this forum ;-)
yes.. maybe? interesting analysis anyway : )Quote:
I think considering what available means English speakers have, the Filatova book which is outdated, Wikisocion which is also outdated, and DarkAngelFireWolf69's book which is new but not accessible to everyone, it makes sense for Ti+Fe users to put themselves through the process of being typed, perhaps even through multiple Socionists over a steady period of time to really look at how these people handle the theory. At least that's how I see things from my point of view as a Ti valuer. I've thought that maybe, after seeing the "results" so far of this people typed, it's not as favorable for Fi valuers/ego to put themselves through a process where they get assessed from someone they don't know personally, or perhaps even don't approve of, and then get handed a type as a suggestion. It would probably seem like a gamble to them, or even an insult.
Truth is a beautiful thing, but it's also a matter of perspective. I vote for both of you being the same type, whatever that is :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
I'm genuinely hurt that you don't believe me, @Uncle Ave. But I can understand it. After all, I did mis-remember my type results. I actually got ILE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
Socionic club "Quadra"
Test Weisband
https://www.tests-tests.com/topleft.gif Weissband test result https://www.tests-tests.com/topright.gif Don Quixote (Intuitive-logical extrovert, ILE)
Description author - psychologist Elena Zamanskaya
Dons are completely unusual representatives of socion, endowed by nature with great intelligence and ingenuity, restless character and a great interest in how life works.
In the world, they feel like a fish in water and are ready to endlessly learn about various phenomena, getting to the very bottom - to those general mechanisms that underlie the nature of things and phenomena.
:shrug:
Yep. It surprised me at first, too, but it actually makes a lot of sense. Me and @Comatose Lamiac 007. Bros, dude.
@Adam Strange, I'm sorry, no hurt was intended. I was just being a smartass.
I had gotten IEI on the test from the DarkAngelFireWolf69/HSS's website, which is pretty far off from the result G himself gave me. All tests are bad, imo. I had taken the test some months ago.
Imo observable functions by outsiders happens mainly based on function strength. So for example IEI has 4D Ni and 4D Fi, but only 3D Fe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
It is highly probable that ppl see the stronger demonstrative (model A) function and it misleads them.
SLE for example would show 4D Se and 4D Te, the 3D Ti would theoretically be overshadowed even if valued.
In my case as LSI I have 4D Ti and 4D Si. The Si is visible compared to Se, but I don't seem to care much for it or take pride in it. Its like pervasive background radiation mainly observable by other ppl imo.
This is the pattern I see :thinking: to me it makes sense. So for example IF one observes very strong Ti and Ni, that could be either LII or ILI and so on.
A person will often have just as sophisticated an understanding of this function as his or her leading function. Unlike the ignoring function it plays a major part in a person's worldview, since as the vulnerable function of one's dual it requires especially delicate attention. Thus, when a person is given information regarding the element in the demonstrative function by someone else, they will tend to take it as obvious information that is irrelevant to completely focus on. One will often use the demonstrative function to defend and further support their beliefs made in the vulnerable function.
The demonstrative function is easiest function to use (after the base function) yet often occurs sporadically. When one experiences a problem regarding this function, one must correct it as it does play a vital part in a person's worldview.
Source: http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Functions
:thinking: yeah, this makes sense even according to model A
It tends to come down to differentiating:
SLE from LSE
LSI from SLI
ESI from SEI
ILI from LII
IEI from EII
IEE from EIE
SEE from ESE
LIE from ILE
:thinking: one could look at role function use, PolR, quadra dichotomies, hidden agenda, plenty of patterns to look at once the 2 types are narrowed down ... or just use experience in typing (which we don't have, srsly confusing PolR for base function for several ppl and other weird things)
Heresy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
The truth may be stretched thin, but it never breaks, and it always surfaces above lies, as oil floats on water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
Way to miss the point. I don't care what you are "politically-speaking". Try paying attention to the critical points I'm making about "socionics", not YOU. Are you even capable of doing that without someone having to spell everything out?Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
You're deluding yourself if you truly believe that. Who determines who is qualified and trained? Whoever has power or whoever sets their own biased rules. No matter how you try to rationalize it, it's always the people in control that abuse the power they have. The nice thing about checks-and-balances in a democracy is that it takes a lot longer before it fails apart. And Stalin was arguably worse than Hitla by many historians accounts. And the USSR fell apart way before the US, so that's a pretty stupid picture to post. You sound like an idiot who likes to smell his own farts. Get over yourself.Quote:
Source: https://socioniks.net/article/?id=17
Over the years of being active and political I have slowly gravitated towards this as the only viable solution for very good reasons, I don't even like democracy :/.. imo its the dumbest thing, even ppl in the past understood this. A ship needs a qualified and trained captain and crew, not random businessman with money and lying idiots who answer to lobbyists.
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/fc/2f/50/f...10c629e225.jpg
Good for you?Quote:
I'm more of a authoritarian bastard, I like proper qualified and effective authority, power is a tool to be wielded for the benefit of the collective, without sacrificing the individual. EDIT: even within the family, I contribute financially and otherwise to the well functioning of my family, I sacrifice for my brother and do my part. I try not to step out of line where it would hurt us, but I step on ppl's toes if they become a threat. Its a kind of us vs them, follow the chain of command and do your part / there will be no snowflake exceptions.
It does when I've spent time actually reading Psychological types (that very few people bother to read here); It does when I've spent a almost a decade on and off thinking about it; it does when I've spent even more time on personality theory in general; and it does when I have a minor in philosophy and actually bother to understand the shit Jung was getting at that you deluded ass-monkeys feel the need to shit on or ignore.Quote:
You typing him SLE doesen't make him SLE, he could be anything lmao. I don't type ppl I know because my opinion is BS.
And it certainly does when you can't even be bothered to learn this shit yourself, yet you think you are "qualified" to tell other people what is what when even you let "someone else" determine your type. You're a giant fucking hypocrite. You aren't qualified to know what's right and isn't and if you were truly "logically fair minded" you would understand this and step off. But no we get your incessant whining and bitching and projecting of your own insecurity and ineptitude of socionics theory on everyone else, to the point that you will follow DarkAngelFireWolf69 like he is your daddy. It's ridiculous.
Yeah, clearly you have some kind of stick up your ass. I agree.Quote:
I'm Ne PolR and type 6. I prefer one good option and certainty, rather than guessing games.
You don't even know why I have trouble with self-typing. DarkAngelFireWolf69 isn't going to solve that. But you don't care. You just want to come on here and pretend like you know better when you don't even care to understand anybody and I'm getting tired of it. You can join Crazyrat on my ignore list.Quote:
Or you could get typed and benefit, IF you want to. Wasting time and effort trying to guess yourself for years is unproductive tbh and costs more than you know (there, have some Te). Idk why get upset, this is constructive feedback common sense Ti.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
No problem, @Uncle Ave. I was trying for entertainment and wasn't being serious about having my feelings hurt. I mean, really, I cry about some things, but not about whether or not people believe me.
I wish EJArendee still made videos. I would watched him, NF Geeks, & SP Spazz when I got into mbti.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
EJ Arendee was awesome. No doubt about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlytherinPower
I'm just giving the details, they matter. The main point was that betas are by nature collectivist authoritarians regardless of political affiliation. One is like that in the family, at work and so on. I consider the group, don't like to make exceptions from the system, authority matters and it cannot be arbitrary aka Ti-Fe > Fi-Te ... Se-Ni > Si - Ne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody
I don't see how trying to determine what ideology has more value has anything to do with this. DarkAngelFireWolf69 is a clinical psychologist and sociologist with 30 years experience in Socionics, trained by Aušra Augustinavičiūtė e_e the founder of socionics, works at the International Institute of Socionics in Kiev in the Ukraine. In as far as the theory is concerned, within the limitations of it's structure, DarkAngelFireWolf69 IS the most credible authority.Quote:
You're deluding yourself if you truly believe that. Who determines who is qualified and trained? Whoever has power or whoever sets their own biased rules. No matter how you try to rationalize it, it's always the people in control that abuse the power they have. The nice thing about checks-and-balances in a democracy is that it takes a lot longer before it fails apart. And Stalin was arguably worse than Hitla by many historians accounts. And the USSR fell apart way before the US, so that's a pretty stupid picture to post. You sound like an idiot who likes to smell his own farts. Get over yourself.
I'm pretty sure we aren't ignoring it.Quote:
It does when I've spent time actually reading Psychological types (that very few people bother to read here); It does when I've spent a almost a decade on and off thinking about it; it does when I've spent even more time on personality theory in general; and it does when I have a minor in philosophy and actually bother to understand the shit Jung was getting at that you deluded ass-monkeys feel the need to shit on or ignore.
That line of reasoning makes no sense. I am not qualified to determine ppl's type, which is why I went to get typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69. I doubt other ppl here are qualified either, they do weird things like mistake PolR for base function., that is all.Quote:
And it certainly does when you can't even be bothered to learn this shit yourself, yet you think you are "qualified" to tell other people what is what when even you let "someone else" determine your type. You're a giant fucking hypocrite. You aren't qualified to know what's right and isn't and if you were truly "logically fair minded" you would understand this and step off. But no we get your incessant whining and bitching and projecting of your own insecurity and ineptitude of socionics theory on everyone else, to the point that you will follow DarkAngelFireWolf69 like he is your daddy. It's ridiculous.
Address the issues, deviating into ad hominem is pointless.Quote:
Yeah, clearly you have some kind of stick up your ass. I agree.
I don't see why or how understanding or caring about specific individuals or not affects the validity of my arguments.Quote:
You don't even know why I have trouble with self-typing. DarkAngelFireWolf69 isn't going to solve that. But you don't care. You just want to come on here and pretend like you know better when you don't even care to understand anybody and I'm getting tired of it. You can join Crazyrat on my ignore list.
Dat lyfe in da perifery. :muaha:
I didn't even realize that another type was a possibility, I wasn't sure your DCNH subtype.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
Significant part of "SquaD" is famouses list which should help to understand how much he mistakes:
https://socioniks.net/famouspeople/
It's not typed by standard ways, though the accuracy is lower, but anyway it's helpful to be more adequate in trusting to today typers and methods which have no objective basis to claim about good accuracy.
Anyone should to have good stable positive check by IR with people near IRL to trust an opinion about own type. Not to a typer, but to own experience of IR effects. This is the only good way, at now. Typers may help in this, but do significant % of mistakes to trust them, what is seen in low real typing matches between them.
In case good IR test will appear sometimes and its results will match to an opinion gotten by a typer/traits test - this will be partial replacement for evaluation of IR effects with IRL people.
I think Daddy DarkAngelFireWolf69 would be confused by my lack of Ti.
In case ILE the interest comes from back tracing. Usually this sort of starting point is very static. Dynamic types are fascinated by rotations and other sorts of movements etc... real life physics while statics might derive much more enjoyment out of analyzing the equations. The difference in point of origin seems to be a huge one but anyways they still might be around similar fields of interests from external point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
So, to all the people that were typed, did you all send back a reaction video and any agree to have it posted on their YouTube channel? I haven’t made one yet because well I’m a mess, but I plan on it because I feel obligated to. But I’m debating if I want it published or not.
I did, though I am not having it published.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
*edit* removedQuote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
Too personal and missing too many parts. Don't want to be obsessive about adding to or editing this at some point later when I'm not wanting to log on to the forum. If you seen it, you seen it :)
This is the worst thing I’ve ever seen you post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I made a feedback video, but I asked them not to publish it.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
@aster , the more I paid attention to what you shared on the forum, just before I left, it became very clear to me that you are an intuitive type. You even talked about being spacey in terms of your environment. I never understood the ESI typing for you.
Maybe you are typing some of them wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I relate to this a lot Aster, only with me it’s in terms of my career. I tried to fit into it so hard, but more and more in my current clearer state (after ditching some habits that no doubt impacted me, over a year ago now) it’s become apparent I am in the completely wrong place. The career issue only deepened my quest for self and my path in life. It’s been miserable.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
Are Betas, as subjectivists, more prone to looking for and taking others typings for themselves? It would be interesting to have statistics about forum members' types
Subjectivism yes maybe. Less likely to press on some forced image of themselves because Ti is about recognition of rules around us. Ti works inside out in that sphere. So yep, people say I'm weird but I do not press that image to others because it is natural and it also tends to adapt to a necessary degree. So maybe Fi seeks to standardize personal character which comes from external reference. As such I do not have huge issues with understanding my own thinking but I don't really measure myself against others if that makes sense. As Ti person I'm ready to give a thought of how others see me and how it differs why it differs and why. I don't really see reason to make modifications if it seems to work as I see it should. Mb not so deeply personal issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
If DarkAngelFireWolf69 thought you are LSI, and so do you, I don’t see what people would be getting their panties in a bunch for. I personally think it’s great. More power to ya, sister :love: , you’ve got asters support :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie
Methinks more people should get typed. Aster is waiting :whistle:
This is a good thread. People get their types right (hopefully) and others (like myself) get my typings of members corrected.
The more people who are typed correctly the better.
I still think that even if DarkAngelFireWolf69 has typed you correctly, this is were the actual work of confirming it and experiencing socionics starts. Otherwise it is mostly a label. You need to figure out what duality, supervision, identity etc are in real life. DarkAngelFireWolf69 typed you, but you still have to do it yourself. You have to relate everything in socionics to experienced reality.
Anyway, I think this thread is a step forward for the forum
Not to intentionally offend anyone who paid for their typing but DarkAngelFireWolf69 typing you doesn't make it "correct", it's just one opinion among others. You may choose to value this opinion more than other opinions but there are no objective typings and socionics is not a standardized science. All the so-called "socionists" with their institutes practice their own brand of "socionics" and disagree even on each others' self-types.
Don't let this fad turn into a cult and remain critical.
Thank you Aster and @Consilience DarkAngelFireWolf69’s observations match much more closely with my own and with that of people who are close to me. I’ve been typed as similar elsewhere as well via live voice/video. This forum/people from it has seemed to be the main hub for the delta NF typing which the more I have read and learned I realized was pretty off... it’s like you said though Aster, some people are very insistent. Consilience, you nailed it. Typing people based off a bunch of text on a forum/server whatever, often yields poor results from what I’ve seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
DarkAngelFireWolf69's view is definitely more than "just one opinion among others". You as well as I know his track record and knowledge in this field. Of course he can make mistakes, everybody knows that. Lots of things matters when judging who is reliable: Mr G.s own type (LII), his discovery of DCNH ( a huge improvement for more reliable typings), his experience etc. That doesn't mean that one can't be critical of his typings also, but I would never shoot down a typing by him directly, because his experience has more weight than mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
He has a track record of interesting theoretical publications but there is no reason to expect that his typing methodology is objectively superior. The problem remains that the typings of different "socionists" poorly converge. The consensus remains low and there is no "standardized socionics" when it comes to typing people. Every "school" has their own methodology and ranking them against each other is a matter of opinion since there is no objective metric. There is more agreement about the models and definitions of IE's (which isn't much either), but putting it in practice by typing people is a jungle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
Respecting someone's knowledge is fine, but it is foolish to unquestioningly trust them based on their popularity. Being good with the theory doesn't necessarily translate into being good at putting it into practice. Someone typing you based on two self-recorded monologues totalling about half an hour and translated by a third party doesn't sound like the kind of in-depth analysis that should be accepted as "The Truth".
It's an interesting point but by no means a definitive answer except to the question "How would DarkAngelFireWolf69 type me?".
I think my approach to this problem is less theoretical than yours. I'm judging DarkAngelFireWolf69 based on my own experience of the accuracy of socionics and DCNH. Also the fact that LIIs tend to be good at typing people + other things like his track record. We are talking about DarkAngelFireWolf69 and not any typist. Socionics is a real phenomenon so lack of standardization is not as important as one might think. I feel that the points you are making could be valid on a more general level, but in this specific case there are other facts that give special value to DarkAngelFireWolf69's typings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
I like how people assume that others aren’t thinking critically and are basically just mindless and naive. I am willing to bet every person who has been typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 is and has, some of y’all just arrogant af. Sorry if DarkAngelFireWolf69’s perceptions happen to resonate far better than that of some of the people on this forum.
I don’t think it is so much theoretical than logical. Why would LII be better at typing than others? I have seen exactly opposite opinions on this as well. I think you are putting DarkAngelFireWolf69 on a pedestal here, regarding theory I would not mind because he is a well-known contributor and I like his ideas although they aren’t generally undisputed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
He does have a long experience but the question is if DarkAngelFireWolf69’s typings should be considered a ”gold standard” for verifying other typings? I would ask the same if it was Aushra herself because this is no exact science and the ”skill in the craft” is only one piece of the puzzle when it comes to a typing.
I think knowing yourself and investing a lot into understanding the theories is the best route for self-typing but if there are problems with either then an external typing might help. I wouldn’t consider it a surefire shortcut but an opinion that is worth considering especially if the attached reasoning seems sound.
Well that wasn't my main point. Reinin describes beta/Delta as authoritarian and Alpha/Gamma as Democratic. And I haven't found that to be the case after typing people I know well and have typed well. My typings aren't really in question either. I wish you would just stick to criticism of what's said and not make this about something it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
It had nothing to do with DarkAngelFireWolf69. You're just a turd if you think Stalin is :love: when he was a murderous asshole who ruthlessly took power and ruled over the USSR killing anybody he didn't like or disagreed with or anyone that posed a risk to his power, only to have the USSR fall apart in a short amount of time regardless. He was a SHIT leader.Quote:
I don't see how trying to determine what ideology has more value has anything to do with this. DarkAngelFireWolf69 is a clinical psychologist and sociologist with 30 years experience in Socionics, trained by Aušra Augustinavičiūtė e_e the founder of socionics, works at the International Institute of Socionics in Kiev in the Ukraine. In as far as the theory is concerned, within the limitations of it's structure, DarkAngelFireWolf69 IS the most credible authority.
Well then why does no one ever talk about it? Show me where a conversation about it wasn't overshadowed by people saying Jung is different than socionics or that socionics is information metabolism or just that socionics is just different for whatever reason. I bet you can't.Quote:
I'm pretty sure we aren't ignoring it.
Then you also aren't qualified to assume other people can't type just because "you doubt" they can. That is all. :8*Quote:
That line of reasoning makes no sense. I am not qualified to determine ppl's type, which is why I went to get typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69. I doubt other ppl here are qualified either, they do weird things like mistake PolR for base function., that is all.
When you stop missing every point I make every time I try and communicate with you, I'll stop seeing you as somebody with a stick up their ass.Quote:
Address the issues, deviating into ad hominem is pointless.
Of course you wouldn't understand that genuinely getting to know people might actually give you a real understanding of their problems, or even better their "type". Because you don't type people, you let DarkAngelFireWolf69 do that for you. :8*Quote:
I don't see why or how understanding or caring about specific individuals or not affects the validity of my arguments.
@Northstar
I agree.
See this is what I was trying to say before to Shotgun, you type "LSI", but you don't represent the stupid stereotypes of say an authoritarian dickwad that doesn't care about being kind or isn't remorseful and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie
My SLE step-father is Canadian and he's actually really nice. He's actually anti-authoritarian and values that everyone should be free as much as possible. I think the only thing that gets him into trouble with people is when he's too honest without considering their feelings, which probably relates to Fi polr. I have a similar problem and it's even described in the Fi role descriptions for LII. He can be brutally analytical, but it's not that he wants to hurt people and he's not really into violence or just being intimidating and aggressive either. He just likes to experience things and have fun and use his thinking for practical and business pursuits.
But anyway, I wasn't against you being LSI, just for the record if anyone cares what I think or might have said about it, just seemed odd to see so much convergence of DarkAngelFireWolf69 typing people LSI when I have theoretical issues with some of his LSI typings being justified with DCNH, like with Elon Musk.
edit: and I think my point is that "real" types aren't cookie-cutter. Everyone thinking everything falls nicely into categories and specific perceptions is probably biased. Things just fall where they do. That's reality.
I think stereotypes do really cloud people’s judgment in this. For the record, as stated, I am not completely settled on the type as of yet, but there is way more about it that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody
Because you typed them wrong. Obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody
I agree, yeah, so your point with this is?Quote:
It had nothing to do with DarkAngelFireWolf69. You're just a turd if you think Stalin is :love: when he was a murderous asshole who ruthlessly took power and ruled over the USSR killing anybody he didn't like or disagreed with or anyone that posed a risk to his power, only to have the USSR fall apart in a short amount of time regardless. He was a SHIT leader.
It is addressed in DarkAngelFireWolf69's book, see up to page 36 from the beginning. Socionics is based on Jung's work and it is explained how and why they came up with the 16 types.Quote:
Well then why does no one ever talk about it? Show me where a conversation about it wasn't overshadowed by people saying Jung is different than socionics or that socionics is information metabolism or just that socionics is just different for whatever reason. I bet you can't.
Here is just one an extract from page 19:
Another one from page 15:Quote:
Jung distinguished four main foci of reality perception: Thinking,
Feeling, Sensation, and Intuition, which, in combination with extraversion
and introversion, provide eight main psychological types (Jung also
outlined some of the 16 types via the Auxiliary function, e.g. “practical
intellect for instance paired with sensation,” which we call “LSE” and
“speculative intellect breaking through with intuition” which we call
“LII”). This model was first offered by Jung in his work on the psychology
of individuation: Psychological Types. His theoretical constructs were
coined in parallel with their practical verification. Second only in
importance to extraversion/introversion (vertness), Jung emphasised
another scale marker: rationality/ irrationality (this was later expanded
upon in Humanitarian Socionics in its formulation of the socionic
temperaments). So, the system of differentiation characteristics is a set of
four dichotomous scales (that divide into two poles): logical/ethical,
sensory/intuitive, extraverted/ introverted and rational/irrational.
Combining these characteristics creates the following types.
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Considering Jung’s contribution, I would give the following definition
of the sociotype: a sociotype is a structure of the collective unconscious,
which controls the interaction of physical, informational (intellectual),
psychological, and social (mnemonic: PIPS) manifestations of personality
Thats what I said. I'm a merry aka subjectivist according to quadric dichotomies. I place weight on reputation. You guys have no reputation, I have no reputation, we aren't trained in this, so I disregard anything you guys say and I question my own observations and reasoning on other people's types. I did type myself across several models and systems, LSI is the only type that makes sense across the board for me due to many reasons. Idk about other ppl, I'm satisfied with knowing this about myself.Quote:
Then you also aren't qualified to assume other people can't type just because "you doubt" they can. That is all. :8*
When someone comes to me saying they are my dual and they haven't been typed by someone with reputation, I don't believe them lol.. why would I?
Idk, you seem to me like you are emotional and angry. Its pointless to converse with you, I'm mainly writing this for other ppl reading.Quote:
When you stop missing every point I make every time I try and communicate with you, I'll stop seeing you as somebody with a stick up their ass.
:thinking: yeah, but I don't care about your problems, nor do I want to type you. e_e I'm not your shrink, friend, parent or nanny..Quote:
Of course you wouldn't understand that genuinely getting to know people might actually give you a real understanding of their problems, or even better their "type". Because you don't type people, you let DarkAngelFireWolf69 do that for you. :8*
I don't know how expensive it is to get typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69, but if you're unsure about your typing, he is probably the best person to help you figure it out. he has decades of experience and makes most people on this website look like amateurs (no offense). I had four skype conversations with his team which lasted around 3 hours each and the knowledge they have about the theory is just much greater than that of any english socionics researcher I've read about so far. (I translate a lot of his work into german and his team explained their theories to me). even when I disagreed on a typing from their gallery, they usually offer me a very good explanation on how they came to a certain conclusion.
If his perceptions resonate better with certain individuals, there is no issue with that. However, I think what people are trying to say is that his typings shouldn't be just accepted at face value. If people are just accepting his typings at face value cause he's an "authority figure" then they do lack critical thinking and are mindless and naive.Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie
Just because someone creates a typology system that does not mean they will necessarily be good at applying said system to actual people.
Have accurately identified the type of so many in the famous people section, but no one seems to accept them. Is it time to write my own book in psychological types? Anybody interested? :rolleyes:
Anyway. Very strongly believe Maya Plisetskaya corresponds to the ESFP Napoleon category.
I think I speak for everyone when I say no one is interested in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by khcs
Do you speak for everyone? Are you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by queentiger
Nobody believes that Paris Hilton type is ENFJ Hamlet. What a pity! :rolleyes:
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What type are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by khcs
No, you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by queentiger
Would you be interested in their book?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
Possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by queentiger
I always thought @khcs's typings to be interesting, personally, so I'd be interested in readings their reasonings behind said typings.
Btw, I didn't mean to be a dick or anything, but it's kinda tough to speak "for everyone" usually. :)
Pink with a pie.Quote:
Originally Posted by queentiger
Well personally, I'm just as interested in the reasoning behind a typing as I am in the conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by khcs
No need to be so harsh on yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by khcs
Nice to see you again, Sound ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dead account