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I am fairly certain about being a 1w2. As for Socionics, I was typed as an LSE, LIE, and LSI. I could also be ESI. Frankly, I have also considered EII and even IEI. I answer a few questions in a video. The link is below. Sorry for the bad lighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR6s...ature=youtu.be
I meant "Type Me With Video."
ESI works.
Which subtype? Fi or Se? I think that Se subtype fits me more, as I am rather comfortable using Se, Te, and Ti. I do like creative writing and I have a rich inner world but I have a sense of moral rigidity and black-and-white thinking. Black-and-white thinking could be indicative of either :Ne: PoLR and/or causal-determinist cognition. That being said, causal-determinist cognition fits EII or LSI more. I cannot see myself as :Se: PoLR however, due to my emphasis on leadership, knowledge of power structures, and sense of willpower.
Sensor is apparent, and Se sub is more fitting. The extroverted functions Se and Te seem more accentuated. I can see why Te lead and LSI were suggested. You are too forceful for EII and IEI is out of the question.
I think that I would get along with EIIs well but not IEIs. I get on well with :Si: base types. I also do not think that I would get along well with :Ne: base types (don't like hyperactive chaos) or :Fi: PoLR types (even though I struggle sometimes with relationships, I do not like people who lack a moral grounding).
I definitely agree with E1, LOL. I frankly thought that I was not a very organized person until people told me that I was very organized. I would say that my standard of being "organized" is rather perfectionistic. What type in Socionics do you think I am? I was told that I was N-D subtype in DCNH, which does make sense.
Lol. ESI-Se more than ESI-Fi, but ESI for sure.
You are very similar to an ESI-Se e6w7 whom I know, but you are a bit more centered than she is. So you might not be a w7. Hard to tell for sure. But otherwise, you are channeling her facial expressions and her hand motions and her voice cadences.
Welcome to the forum.
I can definitely see ESI. The stability could just come from being a 1w2 rather than a 6w7. My instinctual variant is sp/so. E1 seems very xSI, as xSIs are depicted as very orderly types. I thought I was an LSI initially and I can see a good bit of Ti. Then, I thought I was an LxE of sorts. I can see a good bit of Te in how I interact with the world. Somehow, I started to think that I was an EII or an IEI. Although I am emotionally expressive, I am not good at reading other people that well. I have a strong sense of right and wrong that I can be fairly uncompromising with. Although I have a creative streak, I think that my black-and-white thinking and my struggles with adapting to things could be symptomatic of Ne PoLR. I would say that if I was going by the PoLR functions of each type, I could rule out any type with Se PoLR, Te PoLR, Ti PoLR, Fe PoLR (although I am not great at reading people, I am actually very emotionally expressive), and Fi PoLR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I agree. ESI works.
mb LSI / ISTJ
not E*I
LSI
LSI-Se 1w2
Not sure, you do seem like a rational sensor, I think ESI is more likely than LSI.
My one issue I have with ESI is this: Fi concerns the ethics of relationships. Although I can relate to the ESI moralist stereotype, I'd say that I am not very good at gaging the dynamics of relationships. Fi is about relations, and I have struggled with relationships when I was younger. I used to struggle with reading people and conversation dynamics. I see a good bit of Ti though. If I am ESI, I am definitely the :Se: subtype. I use Te quite a lot but I can definitely see Ne PoLR.
What kind of work do you see yourself eventually doing?
What kind of work have you enjoyed doing in the past?
I see myself doing work related to law or business. I like leading others and I like making an impact on the world in a realistic way.
I have enjoyed engaging in things such as debate, Model UN, learning about politics, and learning about history. I like completing tasks and being productive.
I'm thinking "reading people" could be Ni related (depending on what you mean by that). NF types should have an easier time with "reading people" than SF types, possibly. I have noticed SF types can be sublte in reading people, but based on what they see and hear etc. NF and even NT types might come up with more elaborate theories about what goes in people's heads though.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
Perhaps you could give an example of what you mean by not being able to read people?
I am not always good at reading body language or people's emotions. Often, I will ignore the nonverbal cues that someone is giving to me through conversation. I am not always great at gaging the psychological distance of relationship. Someone who is close to me (I think that the person is Alpha SF) criticized me for not paying enough attention to my relationships. Since Fi is the ethics of relationships, this makes me question if I am ESI-Se or LSI-Se. I can see Ti base but I can see myself as an upright moralist as well. My lack of ability to read people could be a sign of low :Fe:, or maybe even low :Fi:.
F types better understand feelings and relations of people, better express, deal and influence in this. They prefer when they and people near are decent, emotionally inspired (Fe) and emotionally pleasant (Fi). Morality norms have a relation to this, but it's secondary.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
I recommend to look at my bloggers types list in the signature to understand the difference in people of T/F types, incl. LSI and ESI.
For beginners I recommend to read in English: Filatova "Understanding the People Around You"
Ni would relate to guess what people did and will do. what they are - Ne. what they feel at now moment - FQuote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
I am not very good with relations of other people. In fact, I used to struggle with making friends because I would obsessively talk about certain topics that I liked. I was often ignored what others wanted to talk about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
As for my relationship to feelings: they are strong sometimes, I am emotionally expressive - but I do not like feelings that much. I would rather focus on just getting the job done and it is not always good to let one's feelings influence one's decision-making. That being said, I do think that it is very important to have a strong sense of morality as well. I can be a bit self-righteous and judgmental, which fits well with the descriptions of xSIs.
What people like - Fi, so that was against Fi type.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
> As for my relationship to feelings: they are strong sometimes, I am emotionally expressive - but I do not like feelings that much.
F types are accented mostly on emotions - own and of others. Not on thoughts as T types. This is the main difference - what dominates. Types examples is the good way to notice the difference.
> I would rather focus on just getting the job done and it is not always good to let one's feelings influence one's decision-making
This is closer to T types perception.
About general situation. T and F are equally important in the life, while Jung types are accentuations of a psyche. All 8 functions should be used equally to get best decision.
For example. You may say correct thing (T) but it may be not done because of bad emotions (F) of an opponent to what you've said or to you. The result - nothing. While you was correct and done T part good, just did badly F part. Functions are aspekts to see the life, while the life itself is whole. When you improve one part and harm other - you do nothing useful in result. People should feel happy, but not only to be alive.
The main use of Socionics are intertype relations - which show people with different and meanwhile compatible psyche to study from them how to use your weak regions and such how to become better and behave wiser for both of these people. From the start Socionics pointed on marriage relations where duality can be applied. In this kind of relations people may establish the closest interpersonal distance with love feeling and friendship relations and such to get the most influence on their psyche. People share one life the most in marriages, introject personal traits of each and perceive them both as one, where interests/thoughts/emotions/sensations/etc of other human are same important as own interests - this is a love state in which interpersonal exchange is maximum, where friendship relations can be maximum. Love state and friendship are what makes types useful for you as a person, besides common help you are geting from other people.
> I can be a bit self-righteous and judgmental, which fits well with the descriptions of xSIs
It's common to accent too much on own opinion in leading function region with possible losses in other functions. The same may happen, just lesser, for other functions. All types have this.
For example, base Si may eat too much and probably among them is the highest % with redundant weight. They may think alike - "I feel good, so what is wrong?" Medical and aestetical problems are not evident until too high values. When they achieve critical weights they need strongly to go against Si to return normal weight (diets, physical load, hunger is not a sensual pleasure and can make health problems itself) - so many ones stuck there, catched by own Si accentuation, by self-righteous ignoring of opinions of other people and objective medical norms.
I'd say you're a Level I type of person. Deeply socialized, robotical and inauthentic. It shows both in your video as well as in your posts. I already dislike you intensely and I am going to put you on ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
ESI
What bothers you about misconduct?
Don't forget to bring a towelQuote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
That's strange. I had exactly the opposite reaction to her posts and her videos. If you are IEE and @StarPath is ESI, then you are her Supervisor. Sort of like my SLI ex-wife was to me. Supervision is supposed to be ranked about #12 in compatibility out of the sixteen possible ITR's.*Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
Socionics is real.
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@StarPath
Fi valued preference is obvious. Te as well. There isn't much Ti tbh, seems Ti ignoring and you favor Te heavily.
I don't see much Si outside of enjoying combat sports for the rush or Ni tbh (but its a short video).
I could see Fe role for you hmm, you value Fi more... however as you say, you are bad at F in general.
I'd say LxE is most probable. 1w2, imo 1-3-6 tritype for enneagram :thinking: . Clear rational preference, extrovert, most likely LSE.
ESI could be possible, but as you say, you are not good with F information elements in general, so I doubt it. ESIs are also "soulful" in communication, but you have that business communication style.
LSI is out of the question imo. I just don't see valued Ti. If ppl would ask me what I really like, my answer would be something along the lines of rebuilding the company's IT infrastructure for fun or learning about some other system for the lulz (Ti).
EDIT: the reason imo LSE makes more sense is because you have imo 4D demonstrative Se.
Fe role in Rational logical extraverts — the Entrepreneur and the Administrator:
These sociotypes try to balance their pragmatism and business orientation with different manifestations of emotions (function E). However, the characteristic of the role’s emotionality is the opposite. If the Entrepreneur LIE willingly demonstrates positive emotions, jokes, and optimism, the Administrator LSE is a much greater pessimist, where emotions are dramatic and irritable.
:thinking: my boss is LSE and when Te fails to deal with the situation and ppl dare to be illogical idiots or worse amoral & illogical.. all hell breaks lose as she won't be able to contain her irritation. Massive anger outburst, yelling and putting ppl into their place happens. One can't reason with her in this state as she switches to Fe. Usually she is tense anxious and irritated. I think she is much harder on herself than on others tbh. Her internal critic must be a heavy burden.
Vibes like AOC.
I'm typing you as ILE for the time being.
I say this light heartedly.
Focus on new ideas, writing, high standards, positive energy, bright, new topics, action orientated.
Good luck on your journey into socionics.
How do you relate to the description below?:
Administrator (Stirlitz, Logical-sensory extrovert, ESTJ) - description of the type of FEL in Humanitarian Socionics
General description. Administrator (LSE, Stirlitz, ESTJ)
1. Assertive and efficient. A great hard worker, he cannot sit around. Fights against chaos and disorder wherever he is. He has a strong sense of responsibility. Always prefers deeds to words. Does not tolerate cunning and deceit, expresses his opinion directly.
2. Above all, values quality and quality. Always comes to the rescue when people are in physical danger. Acts in such a situation boldly and decisively. He is very caring, provides his loved ones with material wealth. If he is resting, then as thoroughly as he works.
3. In business relationships, he is dry and formal, but in an informal setting he seeks to show cordiality and humor. However, he lacks diplomacy in relations - he can get nervous, flare up. The stubborn debater gets very excited when he proves his case. Doesn't know how to make compliments.
4. Getting stuck in the details of the work may not meet the deadline, which is very painful. Not ready for the unexpected. He will not talk about trifles, although it is difficult for him to interrupt the telephone conversation. He does not like very much when he is distracted from work. A conservative supporter of traditions, it is difficult to perceive new trends and fashions.
External signs. Administrator (LSE, Stirlitz, ESTJ)
Among the external signs of FEL, one should first of all highlight its erect posture, poorly bending figure. They say about such people: they have a military bearing. In most cases, thin. However, if the sensory component is enhanced, then it is complete. This is more common for women. But even in this case, a certain fit, fixity is noticeable in the figure. The gait and nature of the FEL's movements are sharp, abrupt, and tense. Great internal nervousness is felt. It is especially visible in the subtype with enhanced logic. This is manifested in the fact that FEL cannot sit in one position for a long time, constantly changes it, and in a special sparkle of his eyes during an excited conversation. LSE clothes always tend to business or classic style. For men, this is a traditional suit and tie. Usually he doesn't follow fashion very much, strives only for the quality and goodness of toilet items. Women also do not allow themselves extravagant outfits. Even if they strive to dress according to fashion, their tastes are still rather strict and conservative. FEL is also distinguished by the peculiarity of being careful with clothes. Their outfits are always clean and tidy. They know how to wear them for a long time. At the same time, things look almost like new. Do not allow yourself to be inaccurate in appearance. Always tucked up, ironed, shoes polished.
The manner of communication. Administrator (LSE, Stirlitz, ESTJ)
The main feature of the FEL communication style is emphasized well-mannered manners, strict adherence to ethical norms when communicating with strangers. This is especially clearly seen in men when they talk to ladies. This is an appeal to "you", and offers to sit down, emphasized politeness. Familiarity is completely absent. FEL loves to ask about everything, learn facts. Comparing the facts, he makes logical conclusions. Does not recognize vague, evasive answers, requires specificity. He has his own opinion on any issue. Argues fervently, defending him. He never admits to being wrong about anything. Always find something to complain about. He does not like to chat about trifles, talk on the phone for a long time, exchange gossip. During telephone conversations, his voice sometimes even changes, it becomes somehow unnatural. Always in favor of practicality, expediency. He does not understand and condemns dreamers who put forward beautiful but useless projects. Does not tolerate laziness, laxity. Supporter of gradual but steady progress. He does not like abrupt changes. The leitmotif of his activities is stability. They are conservative in their views on the family, especially men. Usually they are supporters of the separation of duties: the husband is the breadwinner, the wife is the housewife, the educator of the children. They say about such people: behind him, like behind a stone wall. wife is a housewife, educator of children.
Features of behavior. Administrator (LSE, Stirlitz, ESTJ)
The most characteristic feature of behavior that makes it possible to identify a given sociotype is recurrent outbursts of rage. They happen when they criticize his way of doing work, lecture. He especially does not tolerate this from those people who do not do it themselves, are not competent. At such moments, he is able to throw everything that comes to hand, break the dishes. Coming out of himself, shouts at the critic, points out his personal shortcomings, without hesitation in expressions. The same choleric outbreaks occur when something does not work out for him in a particular job. It is characterized by a very high efficiency. Can work many hours a day. However, periodically needs relaxation. Can just lie on the couch, watch TV, disconnecting from everything. But he cannot sit idle for a long time. Doesn't like to get sick and lie in bed. He is constantly active, busy with specific work. A good inventor and innovator, as well as a designer. Always comes to the rescue when people are in physical danger. Acts in such a situation boldly and decisively. He never brags about it. Goes straight to the goal, does not maneuver. If he tries to cheat, then his cunning is easily miscalculated. Acts pretty straightforward. Thanks to all this, he enjoys the reputation of an honest person. Cannot stand cunning, deception, forgery, truancy. He does not like frivolity, frivolity. Guardian of morals.
I don't see Ti/Fe axis. I more or less agree with Shotgun, there is no interest in systems, based on what you say in your posts and video, the logic you value is pragmatic.
I'm thinking LSE right now.
:shrug: beats me lol, could be G was wrong and I'm SLI. e_e but I don't know any SLIs who are as intensely political and into weird things like animism, philosophy and consciousness science other than me. On the MBTI side of things I'm 100% ISTP.. and I don't think I'm anal. My best friend described me as "very easy going".Quote:
Originally Posted by SojournInLimbo
Grain of salt as always.
From the get go... I hate when people make mistakes... OK, we are dealing with Te ego here, lol. Te creative would probably refer to a lack of action planning more. Sounds like base.
The bolded parts are how I relate to this description. In MBTI forums, I am often typed as an ESTJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I cannot really see ILE. Many people here have been typing me as Fi base and Ne PoLR. You are saying the exact opposite. I think Ne PoLR may be a bit of a stretch, as I actually do like being creative and I come up with new ideas quite al lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by raTG13
What? You just said this here, a few posts ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
...So you have changed your mind already?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
I think this must point to some kind of N PoLR. If not Ne polr then Ni polr. I would say Ne polr ESI because an LSE Te lead should not in theory be so quick to obviously contradict his or her own factual output.
Okay, I see where you are coming from. I just realized that I had a "flash of insight" (could be a sign of Ni HA, possibly) that suggests that maybe my Ne could be higher than PoLR levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
How I Relate To Ne PoLR:
- Black-and-white thinking. "It must be done a certain way. There is only one correct and moral way of being. Internal morals and principles should not be broken."
- Struggle to adapt to changes in views. I used to have such unchanging opinions that it would be hard to change my mind on it, and even I thought I should change my mind of the matter. Sometimes, my views would just not change no matter what. Sometimes, it could be hard to adapt from one way of doing something.
- Struggle to adapt to major changes. When I was a child, I used to really struggle with adjusting from school to summer. The structure of school just comforted me, and I would become really stressed due to the rapid change from school to summer. Same with the change from normalcy to pandemic life.
- Not being super open-minded. My views are my views and I can be very self-righteous at times.
How I Do Not Relate To Ne PoLR:
- I like to try new foods and new things sometimes to see if I like it or if it works.
- I am actually very creative. I created multiple fictional planets and I used to like to do creative writing when I was younger.
- I used to like to experiment (deviate from the norm) in the kitchen by making things without recipes and alternating from the norms of recipes.
I understand what you’re getting at, but consider the fact that you’re making these two DIRECTLY contradicting statements in the SAME statement lol. Most people would at least space them out a bit more. I do think this is a sign of 1D Te likely because if you say 2 contradicting ideas in the same place to make it look like either could be true really, that’s not really giving a substantial fact or data point in a high Te-like way.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
I think “sometimes experimenting with recipes” and some creative writing is not a sign of Ne being higher than 1 dimensional. Sounds like fairly textbook 1D Ne, unless you have some other examples where you’ve exhibited more outlandish creativity, like with your life choices in IRL. 1D functions, even the Polr aren’t nonexistent; everybody uses all the information elements.
Well I’d say shotgun spaces his contradictions out more but yeah lol, he’s Ne polr too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
I think I meant Ni, LOL. I could very well be Ne PoLR.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
Some things that could also point to Ne PoLR:
- Someone who knows me well hates how I can be so "the one right way" (I suspect that person to be an Alpha SF of some sort).
- I can sometimes stick to a way of living so much that I would not adapt, even if others told me I should. Once, I was told that I should get more sleep. I was so stuck on living a "morning routine" to complete studying before school.
- Worrying a lot about how something should be.
- Not being able to see things from others' perspectives. My empathy is not very high and I just see things as a "one right way."
- Being criticized for being a bit "rigid."
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Ah yeah flash of insight = Ni, gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
I should point out this user spends a lot of time on TypologyCentral, where a lot of them genuinely view shit like "trying new food" as Ne. A lot of them take this stereotypical approach to typing, which is now presenting itself in these lists they have created. I mean, the whole "I could be INFJ or ESTJ" shit they have going on I find to be highly inconsistent lol. Decisive queen, I don't think.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
I'm not trying to be shady here for what it's worth, I'm moreso pointing out that they have in a sense adopted the typical communication style and opinions of typologycentral as their own and it's showing up hard.
FurryCentral more like IMO. /says me with an animal avatarQuote:
Originally Posted by queentiger
Yeah I agree that most logical types probably wouldn’t see that as feasible I think. It’s more 1D Te than 1D Ti. OP seems to have a pretty good grasp of the information elements so far though.
I don't think most people would see it as feasible, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
My main issue with those lists aside from what I said regarding the stereotypes (Eg. creative writing = Ne, which isn't the case) is that some of it reads as "I got called rigid once or twice so I believe I'm Ne PoLR". Whether OP means this or not, I don't know - I'm just saying that's how it reads to me.
Fair enough lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by queentiger
About the bottom part, what better alternative would you suggest for the OP to do, to help us assess her type?
Well I think it would more useful if each point were elaborated on a little more, to see how much of a trend it as been over the course of her life and how it has affected her, of course elaborating more might also provide us with more to work with to provide a fuller picture of her type. The more there is to work with the better, especially online when we only really get to see small snippets of people's lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
wow that was so rude. When i feel like that, i just block or ignore the person without needing to verbalize it. That was unnecessarily hurtful in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
So you've been here for 14 years, right? I'm betting that given you likely haven't changed your username since joining (just on a hunch), basic arithmetic dictates you'd be older than 32 at this point. God, that explains your post! If I was 32 and still didn't know how to properly socialize, I'd be a bitter curmudgeon too, so I only really feel bad for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
@DirectorAbbie, you're the only LSE I can think of here; do you have thoughts?
Personally I like LSE; maybe LIE works too -- I don't know many well, but I doubt it. You seem like a sensing type, and Ne/Si valuing over Ni/Se. You also give a similar impression as other LSE women I know: headstrong and seemingly perpetually in a state of mild anger. LSI and EII are out of the question IMO.
The common noobs problem is the lack of criticism to own typing skills. Also English talkers have additional problem of generally worse quality texts, which have more of heretical part and are badly translated.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
You need to read books (on original language and officially translated) about types where Jung is obligate, to type people for some _years_ IRL with noticing _good fiting_ to classical theory including IR and only then you may be assured in your typing skills and types understanding.
Those skills can be far from good anyway with significant % of mistakes (~50% easily), taking low typing matches by today methods. To understand your IR effects with different types it's useful to know _several_ examples IRL for _all_ types - as this reduces the influence of significant typing mistakes you should do and hence makes more clear your IR effects situation.
Also IRL communications have more of importat info and have lesser distortions to give correct IR impressions. To identify types in Internet and analyse IR effects from random forum talking is harder than IRL. It's unreasonable approach for noobs to hope they having bad skills will are using them good correctly in hard conditions - they should have much higher chance for mistakes, which are often common for them even IRL. Especially when those noobs would use doubtful heretical hypotheses as Reinin's traits and other.
It's just a circus when noobs post opinions in forums typing themes and take those opinions seriously. When those noobs do typing practice for years - they change a lot of their opinions and so understand more adequately their skills in the past.
that DirectorAbbie is close the same noob alike you
for example, she thinks Maritsa as EII even after years of forums communications, videos and short IRL meeting. being LSE should feel the difference between dual and superego, but either has not LSE or too badly understands typology basics
Out of curiosity, have you ever considered that your own trouble with English might affect your typings of English-speakers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
@FreelancePoliceman or how to give constructive feedback with class :pros::pros:
Would this affect his typing of Russian women? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
Personally, I think @Sol has subconscious fears of being in a long term relationship. I can relate. My mother, my first model for a male-female relationship, was a hostile and controlling mind-displacement concentration camp capo. This means I have alarm bells go off at the first sign of attempted control, and I’m wary the rest of the time.
I need a woman who doesn’t need to control me and who actively seeks my company without making claims. If I find her, she won’t need to make claims.
But women like this are not common, and if Sol has this kind of anxiety, he could be stand-offish for a long time.
He might even express his fears that she is not the one. Constantly. While still hoping to be proven wrong.
OP seems young, so it might be more difficult to tell where her different functions fall. She seems Fi/Te in some order to be though.
This sounds like it could be Ni polr. I've observed that Ni polrs (ESE/ LSE) have problems with "switching gears". Like taking a break from work and then starting working again. Sometimes you have to work fast and sometimes slower but they have problems with these shifts of pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
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Originally Posted by StarPath
FWIW, every ESI that I've ever known prefers to get into one groove and stay there. I think they just don't like changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
I once asked an ESI with a PhD in Physics why he was working for an LIE instead of doing something where he led the show, because the guy knew everything about everything.
He said that, while he could see many possible outcomes for all the possible actions he could take, he found it almost impossible to choose between them. The LIE was able to do that easily.
As a consequence, in life areas where the ESI determined his own path, he tended to take the most immediate opportunity in front of him and then never change. Because who knows, all the alternatives might be worse. He might hate his job, but he knows exactly how he hates it, and that's better than Destination: Unknown.
I also don't know any ESI's with any kind of retirement accounts. Or plans. I have no idea what they think is going to happen in the future, but I suspect that they try not to think about that.
If ESI's think about the future at all, they probably want to believe that everything is going to work out. Somehow.
This is what LIE's are good at; imagining a secure, assured future and making it happen.
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Originally Posted by queentiger
I will do another questionnaire to give you all a better picture of what my sociotype is. I have been typed as an ILE (lol), LSI, ESI, LIE, EII, and LSE. Sometimes, I wonder if I am a beta NF (EIE-Ni or IEI). I think that of the beta NFs, EIE-Ni is much more fitting than any sort of IEI. I value Te too much for it to be my PoLR function. I also do not think that I value Fe that much, even though I am quite emotionally expressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlytherinPower
Same category as Alexander Ocasio Cortez imho.
LSE? No, please don't study ESTj for yourself, it will only serve to throw you off the path.
You might want to emulate Stirlitz though, which means something different.
I normally only do paid typings now, please see the link in my signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
I watched a little last week, my impression was LSI, fwiw. 6 minutes is not usually sufficient for a good typing though, let alone 3.
I can see why you think that. I have been typed as an ILE, LSI, ESI, LIE, EII, and LSE. I think that I will make a longer video to give you all a more conclusive picture of my type.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
At the risk of stating the obvious - when you get such a wide range of typings, clearly not all of them have the same level of credibility. Most people are not willing or able to give reasoning for their typings, as you can probably see.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
Nobody considers that this might be a problem for DarkAngelFireWolf69 when typing Americans either, so why should Sol?Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
True. Even “authority” figures (if any can exist meaningfully in such a world like typology) like DarkAngelFireWolf69 and Jack Oliver Aaron make mistakes sometimes, so you might as well pay @thehotelambush to get typed even though he’s a transphobic douchebag. At least he’ll be much cheaper (one would hope anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
You should learn model A and how it works and then study the functions and its qualities and how those functions are scaled in the model. Nearly everyone here is a hobbyist and they can’t even accurately self-type let alone type strangers. You can look up reputable socionists like Jack from WSS and DarkAngelFireWolf69 to get professionally typed if you’d like a more definitive answer because a lot more time and effort will come from them than unpaid hobbyists. Most people here haven’t been officially typed, so dismiss the negativity because they're delusional and want to be whatever they say they are.
Okay, I see where you are coming from. If I am going by PoLR functions alone, I think that I can rule out Fi PoLR, Fe PoLR, Te PoLR, and Ti PoLR. I don't think that EII is plausible because I don't really see Se PoLR. The reason why I do not see Se PoLR is because I do not have problems with being assertive, I have no problem with taking action in the moment, I have no trouble with leading others, and I have always aspired to have leadership roles. I am interested in politics and business for this reason. One of the things about the PoLR function is that people generally do not like to see their PoLR exhibited in others.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnatchYourWeave
I don't know if I can even see Te suggestive. If you look at the suggestive function as something that you really like to see in others but you don't really see it in yourself, I do not think that would be the case with Te. Although I like people that are knowledgeable, I find that I have no trouble with appearing logical and competent. I frequently apply factual knowledge to the real world. I have no problem with using factual evidence to support arguments and I easily explain my thoughts. I admire people who are chill. I also admire people that act on whatever they believe is right, especially as an enneagram 1.
Fi leading is a possibility, but there is one thing about Socionics Fi that does not really resonate with me: being able to accurately interpret the distances between other people and relations. Although I can relate to having strong ethical principles and becoming morally critical under stress, I cannot relate to accurately interpreting the distances of relations. One of the things that Fi is about is relations. I have been told that I need to be less focused on tasks and more focused on relationships. Completing tasks and achieving goals is often my primary focus.
I think you should assess your strengths and values first because it’s harder to evaluate coming from only PoLR.
It easily goes wrong if you're trying to make all these conclusions without having the real experience to back it up. The polr, suggestive etc is something you have to experience and then you know what it is. It's not enough to read what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
Maybe some people can do it, but my strategy was to just type other people and try to make the relationships fit. But people do this differently depending on their type.
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Originally Posted by StarPath
I'm not sure that that definition of Fi is so great.
Personally, I define Fe as being able to judge the values of things that are important to a group, while Fi is knowing the value of things relative to oneself.
Nothing to do with distance, per se.
The EII's whom I know have very strong opinions about how they feel about the people they know. These opinions are not something that they can be talked out of by someone else. Same is true for the ESI's whom I know.
I was talking to a woman whom I think is an ESI and she said she had a hard time predicting how people are going to act. She doesn't know how she will feel about a person before she has some experience with them. This is probably due to low Ni, and as a consequence, she needs help in predicting the future and gives most people the benefit of the doubt until they actually do something bad, at which point they are toast.
She told me a dating story about a guy who asked her to jog with him around a lake. She told me, "It's exercise, right? We kind of knew each other, so yes, I could go jobbing with a friend. Except he had trouble keeping up." I immediately got the impression from that that he had only a passing acquaintance with jogging. "Then, when we finished, he got a bottle of wine out of the trunk of his car." Right. I mean, everyone drinks wine after a jog.
They went to her house to drink it, but when it got late and she had to leave to go to work, instead of leaving, the guy wanted to see her bedroom. At that point, she kicked him out.
She couldn't anticipate what he was going to do until he did it, but after he did it, she formed pretty strong feelings about the experience, and no amount of his Fe story-telling could convince her otherwise.
Se is here-and-now, low Ni means acting from experience rather than from well-anticipated futures. Fi is "I know exactly how I feel about this experience."
I agree with what you said about low Fi-types. I'm guilty of holding people at inappropriate distances myself, much to my frequent embarrassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ania
But I doubt if this is what the OP meant. We will need to wait for @StarPath to clarify her statement of "I cannot relate to accurately interpreting the distances of relations." Are these new relations? Old relations? If my take on this is correct, there should be a difference in her judgement with gained experience.
This is in stark contrast to ILE's, who REALLY have a hard time judging interpersonal distances. Forever.
What I am saying here is that I am not the best at maintaining relationships and recognizing relationships in others. Okay, social skills have not been an easy thing for me. I am not the best at reading social cues and body language. I would sometimes misread social cues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I would say that I am more task-oriented than relationship-oriented.
Ok this is actually very important because you’re aware that you’re not good with Fi and Fe. That doesn’t mean you’re PoLR Fe or PoLR Fi, but that you don’t think it’s priority for you. You’ve made progress. I normally would suggest people read Jung’s Psychological Types to get the foundation down for the functions (because that’s where Augusta derived the definitions and characteristics of the functions from) but maybe this will give you a decent framework. So now you read up on the functions and going by that, you could eliminate to the 2 functions you think you’re good at and proceed to reading the types that correspond to your strongest functions. This link will lead you to all the IMs.
https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/...on_elements/Ti
Keep in mind that people on here have bias that they place on others and there’s a few super cringe individuals who want new female to be typed as Fi egos because they’re desperate and delusional. Pay no mind to that.
:thinking: this is what Ti does and makes lol, basic understanding: logical fields between objects aka how everything fits together logically, how things make sense to you subjectively. Socionics as a system is also the result of Ti.
Ultimate Ti expression (LII) is something like Kan'ts pure reason:
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...8_09.26.21.jpg
Something more ST Ti, network infrastructure plan or idk, lets say uhm... how the ecosystem of the forests functions, what the logical connections between everything there are in real time and how it connects to other systems around it.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile...astructure.png
If you understand the "rules", it becomes easy to work within the system or to fiure out where what went wrong or what doesn't make sense, where one needs to go and what one needs to do to fix issues asap.
From my limited understanding of socionics, you can remove Ne, Fe and Ti, Ni ego, Se PoLR on your list.
Probably not Ip too.
I cannot determine if you are "compensating" for Te or not. Vid is too short and structured.
So, what you are saying is that we can rule out IEE, EII, SLI, LSI, IEI, ILI, LIE, EIE, LII, SEI, ESE, ILE, and SLE as possible types.Quote:
Originally Posted by one
So, that leaves me with ESI, SEE, or LSE.
Wow. LSE-Te. Your personality is like nails on a chalkboard for me lol and I think you'd really conflict with IEIs. Not ESI, cuz benefactor & beneficiary relationships are a lot more positive than they are portrayed. Sure there's issues but it's definitely more positive than negative. You do seem kinda really Se valuing ish for a Delta though but I think that is the Te talking.
What about ILI for you?
I have struggled socially growing up as well though, I did relate with you on that. I also don't like animals that bite either & we're both sensitive. That isn't saying much tho because most human beings are all both very sensitive and insensitive about tons of stuff , depending on what it is you are talking about. With the exception of some very manly ST/NT types maybe, but idk lol.
I'm a lot more flexible in my morals and ways of doing things and I don't care about 'right' so much. "When we do shitty things in life we don't think we're not righteous- we think we have the right" is kind of like my favorite thing to say as I think it's kind of an IEI/EIE-ish saying to begin with.
However, I honestly like learning from you and I find you interesting because we're so different! Even if we'll never be friends or allies I hope you have a good time here.
I see why you are thinking LSE. I don't know if Fi is my leading function or not - I have always looked up to people with strong morals and that have made positive changes in the world. That being said, I don't think that I could implement moral changes very easily unless it is through an established chain of command (such as political systems). The main focuses of what my life has been about are learning new things, completing tasks, and achieving my goals. This, along with my social skills struggles, makes me wonder what type I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by BandD
I don't really see myself as IP temperament and I think that Fe PoLR is a stretch. Although I used to struggle with social skills, I am actually very emotionally expressive. I think that LIE is a better fit for me than ILI.
She has the same types as the cartoon character Merida.
A highly logical decision maker.
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/phot...-1600-1000.jpg
LSE? SLE? LIE?Quote:
Originally Posted by khcs
Introverted.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
LSI?Quote:
Originally Posted by khcs
What is the first function of LSI? If it is Introverted thinking, than yes LSI.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
Merida in real life. :rolleyes:
http://www.rotoscopers.com/wp-conten...ida_brave3.gif
@StarPath Most people’s questionnaire typing skills are kind of bad, take them with a grain of salt. On mine I stated multiple times I had issues with people, offended them occasionally, liked cute stuff, and had no issue with confrontation. Most popular typing was EII. Absolutely no one guessed SLI.
That being said, ESI-Se. Fi doms aren’t always social goddesses, my EII friend kind of misreads the bad sides of people due to naivety and it stabs her in the back sometimes.
I like how self aware you are. Lul
I think that we can rule out EII because I think that I have a forcefulness that Se PoLR people lack. ESIs, especially with the Se subtype, tend to be much more forceful and assertive than EIIs. I think that Se subtype is more fitting than Fi subtype because ESI-Se has a "ST" vibe to it, since their sensing and thinking functions are accentuated as a result of that subtype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybel
Yes, Olimpia mentioned that enhanced Te also enhances Se. It does in my case, and I'll bet that enhanced Se increases Te equally as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarPath
I'd also like to say that I know some LSE's in real life, including my mother and my sister, and you, @StarPath, are nothing like them. Which I would call fortunate. Unless your goal is to work in a lumberyard have a personality so male that it scares waitresses. My LSE sister is married to a man, but he's IEI and is OK with her being the guy.
@Adam Strange are they also less jumpy? LSE is different from SLI but I notice SLIs don't have excitable/nervous energy in them at all, and I would assume that would be the same for LSEs also, though to a slightly lesser degree. Not sure if I typed one person I know correctly since I only worked on her for a few months but I am guessing she is LSE. Movements are slightly smooth but direct and seems like she always knows what she is doing, she interjects just to get to the details during meetings, very domineering personality. She cannot be the "mom" in the relationship for sure. Talks silghtly calmy but direct to the point even to her children. Anyway I think StarPath moves more and have more facial expressions than an LSE.
@one, both SLI and LSE have strong Te and Si. Te makes them logical in a "process" type way, as opposed to the categorical Ti way, and Si gives them a gracefulness in motion that comes from not wasting effort. You will find a lot of baseball players are SLI. And yes, LSE's have dominating personalities to the extent that they like to give instructions to you on how and what you should be doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by one
Watch @StarPath's hand motions. She moves them as if to manipulate unseen objects (Se), not to minimize effort (Si). She wrings her hands and waves them around in a "creating and manipulating effort" way that you'd never see an SLI doing, since Si tries to maximize comfort and to conserve energy.
e_e LSE is Te base and Se creative. Fuck model A. LSE have 4D Te and Se, the valued Si is weak by comparison and less visible. Change my mind.
StarPath is most likely Gamma SF then.
You can see the forcefulness of LSE for sure. You can say that Si is less sophisticated and weaker but they would use it over Se. It is valued over Se after all.Quote:
LSE is Te base and Se creative. Fuck model A. LSE have 4D Te and Se, the valued Si is weak by comparison and less visible.
What StarPath said in the video is also interesting:
"I don't like people that go too far from the norm" - What does this mean? What is the norm for you?
Other than seeming rather angry, how am I not like LSEs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange