Ways in which you don’t conform to type stereotypes

I’m supposedly ESI but my Ne-EII gf is much more grounded and physically graceful than I am.

I don't excel at people skills or logic. No rational functions at all.

I mildly dislike the daily grind of makeup and cooking, so I avoid them as often as possible. Occasionally I like to dress nicely and make a cute bento box but most of the times it's spending 5 minutes in the morning selecting boring sad-looking clothes with the bonus of being easy to match to squeeze the most sleeptime out of the day. I have a slouching problem and eyebags, probably a lifestyle + genetics issue. Appearance-wise, fits the ILI description a lot more than Si ego.

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Originally Posted by Cybel

I mildly dislike the daily grind of makeup and cooking, so I avoid them as often as possible. Occasionally I like to dress nicely and make a cute bento box but most of the times it's spending 5 minutes in the morning selecting boring sad-looking clothes with the bonus of being easy to match to squeeze the most sleeptime out of the day. I have a slouching problem and eyebags, probably a lifestyle + genetics issue. Appearance-wise, fits the ILI description a lot more than Si ego.

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your avatar fits ILI more too lol

I don't chase popularity all that hard (but that works with my subtype supposedly)
I try to be consistent (again fits subtype)
Also instead of chasing popularity, I try to be socially conscientious and proper/appropriate, well until I am not... (again fits subtype)

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Originally Posted by Grendel

I don't excel at people skills or logic. No rational functions at all.

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Damn I feel this.

I heard the phrase "Omni PoLR" at one point. Think it fits me well.

I don't 'softly touch my interlocutor's hand' when I'm speaking to somebody. How gross lol.

I’m good at planning things long-term. I’m probably more reflective and imaginative and in my head and into “deep shit” than the average person. I’m sensitive and feel deeply lol. I’m about as aggressive as a wet fart in most circumstances.

Congrats on finding a gf @Averroes .

Well, for one, I'm not as obviously logical or rational as a LII should be, I think. Most of the time, I enjoy daydreaming about possibilities and romance. I'm not all that attracted to scientific fields. I prefer the unknown to what's already established, which is why I enjoy speculative media, even if I know most of it can be nonsensical. Fantasy stories are also my jam. People still complain that I analyze things to death and pick apart every word a person ever said, though.

I've been known to focus on being efficient, which is more Te-focused, though usually only when other people are involved. I think it's my inferior Fe playing up, trying not to disappoint others when I'm given a task.

Lastly, I am actually pretty good at sports and a lot stronger than I seem, at least from what others tell me. In high school, the other kids wanted me on their soccer team because they saw me as their best defender, though I hated participating. I have zero spatial awareness, so it was more blind luck that I could intercept the other players. I can also be incredibly persistent. Not forceful, per se, but I have been known to hound someone if they did something wrong and I expect an apology. I once blocked an LSI in a doorway for a whole hour because he refused to return something he promised to give back.

I'm quite physically coordinated considering how few sports I've practiced in the past. For example, thrown balls always go where they were supposed to go, and one of my "secret skills" is doing headstands, which I learned how to do in maybe 5 minutes. I could pick up sports like gymnastics, dance, or tai chi, with not too much of a struggle (I'm about to try Tai Chi btw!)
However, I'm not spatially coordinated at all, so my overall physical adeptness pretty much averages out.
My reflexes are very good, too.

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I'm quite physically coordinated considering how few sports I've practiced in the past. For example, thrown balls always go where they were supposed to go, and one of my "secret skills" is doing headstands, which I learned how to do in maybe 5 minutes. I could pick up sports like gymnastics, dance, or tai chi, with not too much of a struggle (I'm about to try Tai Chi btw!)
However, I'm not spatially coordinated at all, so my overall physical adeptness pretty much averages out.
My reflexes are very good, too.

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I've seen IxI-Ni (IEI or ILI not sure, I think IEI tho', a guy) with those good reflexes lol

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Originally Posted by Jo Lande

Well, for one, I'm not as obviously logical or rational as a LII should be, I think. Most of the time, I enjoy daydreaming about possibilities and romance. I'm not all that attracted to scientific fields. I prefer the unknown to what's already established, which is why I enjoy speculative media, even if I know most of it can be nonsensical. Fantasy stories are also my jam. People still complain that I analyze things to death and pick apart every word a person ever said, though.

I've been known to focus on being efficient, which is more Te-focused, though usually only when other people are involved. I think it's my inferior Fe playing up, trying not to disappoint others when I'm given a task.

Lastly, I am actually pretty good at sports and a lot stronger than I seem, at least from what others tell me. In high school, the other kids wanted me on their soccer team because they saw me as their best defender, though I hated participating. I have zero spatial awareness, so it was more blind luck that I could intercept the other players. I can also be incredibly persistent. Not forceful, per se, but I have been known to hound someone if they did something wrong and I expect an apology. I once blocked an LSI in a doorway for a whole hour because he refused to return something he promised to give back.

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LIIs are able to be authoritative just fine according to descriptions

How did the LSI react lol, was it not annoying to him that you were trying to block him for a full hour

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Originally Posted by grumpyvic81

I don't chase popularity all that hard (but that works with my subtype supposedly)
I try to be consistent (again fits subtype)
Also instead of chasing popularity, I try to be socially conscientious and proper/appropriate, well until I am not... (again fits subtype)

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Also if you want to approach it from LSI instead of SLE then I'm obv too forceful and impulsive for one but that again works with subtypes :shrug
And I'm more goals focused than organisation focused, and change plans too easily and too fast, and I don't even really plan a lot lol, let alone in detail (again works with subtype maybe, not sure)
Also have too much adaptability for an LSI (works with subtype again ofc)
I don't have enough justified axioms or run my life as a clockwork schedule (again works for subtype maybe, not sure)
I'm too emotionally expressive for LSI (again works with subtype)
I'm too ready to tear systems apart and I try to generate a big picture on the fly even if I'm not that good at it and even if that's kinda too vague for my liking at first (I'm not aware of this working with subtype at all)
And so of course I dislike the way stereotypical LSIs pull up a wall for info exchange/arguments (I think this works with subtype)

All the overdone Ti by LxI-Ti really just gets me pissed off and feels alien to me to have that like that

Overdone Ti = extremely conscientious, moralistic (to the point of hypocrisy even...), critical, plans forever before starting action, very stilted language, and something else I haven't been able to put my finger on yet.

I do all that too - except I'm rarely moralistic and I don't plan forever - but not that crazy about it

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Originally Posted by grumpyvic81

I don't chase popularity all that hard (but that works with my subtype supposedly)
I try to be consistent (again fits subtype)
Also instead of chasing popularity, I try to be socially conscientious and proper/appropriate, well until I am not... (again fits subtype)

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Well, you're just pretty a pretty stereotypical SLE-Ti then, huh? =)

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Originally Posted by grumpyvic81

LIIs are able to be authoritative just fine according to descriptions

How did the LSI react lol, was it not annoying to him that you were trying to block him for a full hour

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Ah, suppose I was going off the Se polr descriptions, particularly this one, "LIIs typically respond poorly to and have difficulty applying volitional pressure." Good to know it doesn't apply in that case.

The LSI threw quite a tantrum, actually. His sport equipment was in the house, this being his grandfather's place which I was watching over while everyone else was out, and he had two hours to make it to practice. I knew this and ambushed him right as he was about to go inside. He tried to push his way through at first, but like I said, I'm a lot stronger than I look. When brute force didn't work, he fell on all kinds of excuses and insults. Went from, "Come on, I forgot! I promise to bring it back next time!" to, "F*** you!"

I told him, "You still have plenty of time to go fetch it." He lives nearby, though his house is a mess, which is why I didn't go find it myself. I repeatedly told him, "Bring it back and I'll let you through." He's a grown man and I felt like I was dealing with a child. This was at the half hour mark. For the next half, he glared at me as if waiting for me to back down. Even the neighbors were telling him to give in. Once he realized it wasn't going to work, and that he was running out of time, he went back to his house and brought back what he promised and I let him through.

Note, he's done this countless times with his parents and grandparents. Taking their stuff and never bringing it back. I decided it was about time he paid for his actions.

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Originally Posted by chocolatte

Well, you're just pretty a pretty stereotypical SLE-Ti then, huh? =)

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I'd like to think I'm more unique than that lol

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Originally Posted by Jo Lande

Ah, suppose I was going off the Se polr descriptions, particularly this one, "LIIs typically respond poorly to and have difficulty applying volitional pressure." Good to know it doesn't apply in that case.

The LSI threw quite a tantrum, actually. His sport equipment was in the house, this being his grandfather's place which I was watching over while everyone else was out, and he had two hours to make it to practice. I knew this and ambushed him right as he was about to go inside. He tried to push his way through at first, but like I said, I'm a lot stronger than I look. When brute force didn't work, he fell on all kinds of excuses and insults. Went from, "Come on, I forgot! I promise to bring it back next time!" to, "F*** you!"

I told him, "You still have plenty of time to go fetch it." He lives nearby, though his house is a mess, which is why I didn't go find it myself. I repeatedly told him, "Bring it back and I'll let you through." He's a grown man and I felt like I was dealing with a child. This was at the half hour mark. For the next half, he glared at me as if waiting for me to back down. Even the neighbors were telling him to give in. Once he realized it wasn't going to work, and that he was running out of time, he went back to his house and brought back what he promised and I let him through.

Note, he's done this countless times with his parents and grandparents. Taking their stuff and never bringing it back. I decided it was about time he paid for his actions.

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lol tbh that's some great example of overdone & moralistic Se PoLR pressuring lol

you wouldn't have been able to pull that off with me btw : p (even tho I'm a girl and yeah I can believe that you are physically stronger than me)

As for the general authoritativeness as far as LII descriptions, it's not really like this by default, they only resort to the physical force when they feel it's their last chance like you did it

not really obsessed about money, more about specific tasks

I conform perfectly to the LSE stereotype. They practically based it off of me. I'm tough and practical. I'm masculine and resourceful, a real man's man. I need a gentle, understanding woman to see through my gruff exterior and open me up to the beauty of humanity.

I don't judge people based on my strict guardian morals absorbed and settled in my infancy. Oh wait... nvm.

OK, I don't have 675575 patents pending.. too lazy for it.

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OK, I don't have 675575 patents pending.. too lazy for it.

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Just the three?

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Just the three?

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I looked in to DarkAngelFireWolf69s subtype descriptions. It seems like customizer label works well for me. That is the Harmonizing subtype. I usually put things in backburner and come in to present new solutions freshly in the morning. I'm fairly aware of the style of ideas ILE's have patented their ideas and it seems like I come up similar schemes to undiscovered problems yet I usually leave them waiting (another point in that subtype description). So yea. I kind of synthesize solutions from tools and inconvenience. Those solutions are kind of novel but low in energy and non expansive.

I'm not good with working with my hands at all and don't have much bodily coordination or awareness of surroundings and have absolute shit business sense. Seems to be common for SLI's to be described as good at the above.

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Trump, who could be your dual, also doesn't excel at either and look, he is the president.

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Eradicate gammas.

I'm actually really into hurting or conflicting with whoever I dislike, and I don't tend to avoid conflicts ever (though I would do it when younger and drunk or not attemptive enough to act at the moment, used to be in some kind of shit medication that made me seem "dead". And well, at times I know to pick my battles or i'm either just too lazy to do anything.)

I want the people I hate to know I hate them and that i'm better than them.

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I'm actually really into hurting or conflicting with whoever I dislike, and I don't tend to avoid conflicts ever (though I would do it when younger and drunk or not attemptive enough to act at the moment, used to be in some kind of shit medication that made me seem "dead". And well, at times I know to pick my battles or i'm either just too lazy to do anything.)

I want the people I hate to know I hate them and that i'm better than them.

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strong feelers do that, they intentionally trespass ethical boundaries when they want to and they are aware of doing so, doing it for some (ethical/emotional) reason. the have confidence in trespassing that way

strongly logical types usually do it accidentally only & no confidence doing so

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Originally Posted by LemurianLo

I'm not good with working with my hands at all and don't have much bodily coordination or awareness of surroundings and have absolute shit business sense. Seems to be common for SLI's to be described as good at the above.

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then whats left of SLI that you related to enough to type as SLI?

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Originally Posted by grumpyvic81

strong feelers do that, they intentionally trespass ethical boundaries when they want to and they are aware of doing so, doing it for some (ethical/emotional) reason. the have confidence in trespassing that way

strongly logical types usually do it accidentally only & no confidence doing so

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Yeah. All my reasons are emotional.

I'm preachy about my values and morals so I'm a typical INfJ

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then whats left of SLI that you related to enough to type as SLI?

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SiTe is a lot more than being good with your hands and finances my man.

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SiTe is a lot more than being good with your hands and finances my man.

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Like what is it for you in the way you relate to it? Like you listed bodily coordination and awareness of sensory stuff as also not being like you, so what else is left.

I'm NT, probably LII, but I like to put on a pretty pink dress and call myself a Disney Princess.

:oops:

I seem to be an order of magnitude more hands-on and physical than the other LIIs that I've encountered.

a.k.a. I/O

I'm not as socially outgoing as other SEEs, and more inhibited in terms of my physical strength, maybe due to gender. Still very much grounded and in the present, though.

Looking at the sociotype.com description, I wouldn't characterize myself as particularly rational, and I don't think my lifestyle is particularly structured.

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Originally Posted by LemurianLo

I'm not good with working with my hands at all and don't have much bodily coordination or awareness of surroundings and have absolute shit business sense. Seems to be common for SLI's to be described as good at the above.

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Daniel Radcliffe is SLI, and he has dyspraxia. It's a condition that affects coordination. His disability is mild, though.

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Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman

Looking at the sociotype.com description, I wouldn't characterize myself as particularly rational, and I don't think my lifestyle is particularly structured.

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You do come off as "rational" in your communication style though. At least to me. You seem like one of the more "rationaly" members of the forum. It's hard to explain. It's just how you come off to me. You just feel like a logical person and you don't seem like you're all that emotional even though I'm sure you're motivated by emotion at least sometimes.

I'm not an oversensitive hippie that cries myself to sleep when thinking about all the atrocities happening in the world. I'm too self-centered to care :muaha:

More seriously: I'm not that tactful, outgoing or emotionally demonstrative and most new people scare and drain me. I don't play ethical 'games', like in the article by Strat. I can be harsh when someone gets on my nerves too much. Very very daydreamy and scattered.

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I don't think Strati has good descs other than LxE/EXI maybe. There is also a lot of socio-ESI-fanfiction as well.

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Yea her description sounds like an IEE-Fi with ennagram 3, so I think she only actually based herself on 1 or 2 IEEs she knew. But hey, it's a thread about stereotypes anyway :P

Strati’s SEI is good in my book but the descriptions do seem written for people that want to read about themselves. They may not be useful for someone outside of type. For example way she writes how IEI like to talk about how they use their contacts to get what they want makes it sound as if they’re manipulating people to get the position of manager when in reality it’s more like your IEI grandma telling you how she jumped the line at the bank because she knows the clerk.

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I'm not an oversensitive hippie that cries myself to sleep when thinking about all the atrocities happening in the world. I'm too self-centered to care

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I feel that way about a lot of IEEs tbh. They can play the role of 'caring person' pretty well but it's just a role. It's fake and 'business-y.' Their real self is just too self-centered to care I agree. Knowing the right thing to say politically or for SJW brownie points is a lot different than actually 'giving a damn' of course.

Oh don't get me wrong either it also doesn't bother me unless I was somehow really personally invested in what the IEE was doing maybe (which is highly unlikely as I'm not that close with them) In fact out of all the deltas IEEs are probably my favorite even though I know they are fake two-faced whores lol. ((I probably like IEE/SLI/LSE/EII in that order))

Strati seems to get great satisfaction when she sends the whole nest of africanized bees after a reader given that they are type representative.

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I feel that way about a lot of IEEs tbh. They can play the role of 'caring person' pretty well but it's just a role. It's fake and 'business-y.' Their real self is just too self-centered to care I agree. Knowing the right thing to say politically or for SJW brownie points is a lot different than actually 'giving a damn' of course.

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Wow wow wow! Step down from your high horse of judgement, I don't think I'm representative of all IEEs & knowing the right thing to say doesn't necessary mean you don't care. I think all NFs have a consciousness of human suffering in a way or another(personally I just decided I had enough going on in my own life) and I know a lot of IEEs that are engaged politically or otherwise. It's just that the authenticity you're accusing them of lacking is expressed with 'businessy' Te instead of Fe: for example becoming a sustainable entrepreneur instead of staging protests or writing a theater piece about climate change or some other beta NF stuff(I caricature a bit).

It's nice to "care" like I see some IEIs do, but from a Fi/Te point of view, you giving a damn needs to be expressed in how you actually manage/organize the world. Otherwise it's just words and emotional hysteria which don't change anything. At least that what Te would say about Fe.

But yea I also know IEEs that are Fe-fake. But it's the same with IEIs & Fi, some pretend to be super sensitive and cute and oriented towards warm and respectful relationships when in fact they are 100% that calculating sneaky bitch underneath.

lol I wasn't judging you for being that way though. I appreciated your honesty. =)

@BandD yea I know no worries :content: you made a faulty generalization tho & I tried to provide you with some nuance

 

I like hugging people and making them feel safe. :shifty:

:thinking: not anal enneagram type 1 organized neat freak LSI.
More like easy going 6w5.

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I like hugging people and making them feel safe. :shifty:

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mega wholesome

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I like hugging people and making them feel safe. :shifty:

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My SLI bestie is like this too

I don't avoid conflict like it's said Delta NF's do. I prefer putting idiots in their place. I once beat the crap out of the high school bully cunt who'd shit on everyone when he came up to me, I even stabbed him with some blade that wasn't sharp. After that I started humilliating him every day in front of everyone.

I also shoved my fingers into some SEE dude's eyes when I was a kid, out of rage, coz he told me something that I disliked so I attacked him.

Hmmm, also threatened my sister's introverted ST ex about killing him face to face. Then I slashed his bike's wheels with a knife when highly drunk and on coke.

I like letting most sensors know i'm superior to them, because I hate them.

Out of that, I don't like fighting or anything, it just happens when I lose my shit, I have had explosive anger issues.

An ILE friend told me this some years ago:

"I think you are introspective and abstract. You are philosophical. You are "head in the clouds". This seems like N, not S. You seem intellectual. You are a thinking person, not a person of the senses."

I feel so misunderstood :cry:

I know what slam poetry is

I have a unified view of life and the universe

-Not as disagreeable (most of the time)
-Not as curious
-Not as delusional
-Not a big reader
-Not interested in theories

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An ILE friend told me this some years ago:

"I think you are introspective and abstract. You are philosophical. You are "head in the clouds". This seems like N, not S. You seem intellectual. You are a thinking person, not a person of the senses."

I feel so misunderstood :cry:

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SEIs can give that impression. I knew an SEI priest who was typically so quiet and withdrawn that children were intimidated by him. He gave the impression he was living in another world, constantly thinking cold thoughts, and perhaps didn't need to eat food to live, like a vampire. He didn't usually take the initiative to speak to anyone, especially in a crowd, and would often sit alone. It was only if you saw him actually communicate with people that his Fe was evident, and the impression of austerity would melt away entirely. He was in fact a kind and gentle person, to elderly people and animals especially.

I don't think I am that Fe polr. I am also not a know-it-all.

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SEIs can give that impression. I knew an SEI priest who was typically so quiet and withdrawn that children were intimidated by him. He gave the impression he was living in another world, constantly thinking cold thoughts, and perhaps didn't need to eat food to live, like a vampire. He didn't usually take the initiative to speak to anyone, especially in a crowd, and would often sit alone. It was only if you saw him actually communicate with people that his Fe was evident, and the impression of austerity would melt away entirely. He was in fact a kind and gentle person, to elderly people and animals especially.

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yeah that's the wisdom of Socionics/Jung that just because a person is introverted and has an inner world doesn't meant that it is "thoughts" or "ideas" etc. It can as well be sensing, like in SEIs.

Maybe I should have become a priest also, like the man you mentioned. Would have been nice to work for greater spirituality, and take care of the liturgy in church, there's at least some Si in that environment. Might be some nasty Te though. When is the choir gonna sing and how to give a sign to the organist to start playing? The priests I've typed have been EIE, EII and ESI. Not many. The EII stumbled on some Te stuff when my friend's son got baptized.

A SEI priest, with a secure monthly pay from the archdiocese, would have free his mind from earthly matters enough to withdraw to meditate on theological issues and books. That would be the fun part. Much more harder for a priest of that type is to deal with a varied congratation and not be overcome by pessimism at times or lack of patience for the crazies that hang out at your church.

On topic now: I don’t give people food. An attentive IEI or an EII with a knack for cooking would be more likely to give out food. Where do people get the idea that an SEI, generally reticent to work more than it’s necessary, would make time to bake for anyone or rushing to work with weak Ni, stop to buy candy for people s/he works with? Please.

I don't "... as if in a kaleidoscope see[s] whimsical iridescent imagery, dissolving then receding in flux."

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I don't "... as if in a kaleidoscope see[s] whimsical iridescent imagery, dissolving then receding in flux."

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Exactly the same here.

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Like what is it for you in the way you relate to it? Like you listed bodily coordination and awareness of sensory stuff as also not being like you, so what else is left.

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Oh I'm aware of sensory stuff, too aware to the point of frequent annoyance. Good to keep in mind that Si is an internal thing, my being shit at all this external stuff is likely poor use of Se and while business sense and such is commonly associated with Te, that isn't what Te is about. I won't go into details as to why I'm an SLI as I don't feel like it.

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I'm not an oversensitive hippie that cries myself to sleep when thinking about all the atrocities happening in the world. I'm too self-centered to care :muaha:

More seriously: I'm not that tactful, outgoing or emotionally demonstrative and most new people scare and drain me. I don't play ethical 'games', like in the article by Strat. I can be harsh when someone gets on my nerves too much. Very very daydreamy and scattered.

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Can relate. Tho new people don't scare me, I tend to scare them.

I'm not too concerned with money and profit for its own sake.

I don't actually like drama or people who cause drama. That shit is cancer.

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I don't actually like drama or people who cause drama. That shit is cancer.

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yeah in interpersonal context that is Fi domain.

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yeah in interpersonal context that is Fi domain.

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thought it was Fe lol

In the real world outside socionics though it's neither Fi nor Fe... it's emotional & psychological baggage of people coming to the surface

And that's a way better explanation than calling it Fi or Fe.

I have a sense of timing and reserve, which I am also really meta-analytical about.

I honestly don’t think this should technically go too much against stereotypes though because you need to have a sense of timing to create a focused impact.

I'm an ESI and I have terrible coordination and usually bad awareness of my surroundings, even though I frequently worry about them and sometimes appreciate, enjoy, feel well with my body how they look... so occasionally I'll be hyper-aware, but I'm usually hypo-aware. I tend to live in my head, attending to thoughts, fantasies, emotions, memories a lot even when it's dangerous to not pay attention to my surroundings.

I often value, am impressed by inventiveness and logic (not necessarily pragmatism) more than morality.

I don't know where the poor coordination and usually low environmental awareness came from, both of my parents have much more awareness of their surroundings and don't have much problem with coordination. I am on the Autism Spectrum.

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I feel that way about a lot of IEEs tbh. They can play the role of 'caring person' pretty well but it's just a role. It's fake and 'business-y.' Their real self is just too self-centered to care I agree. Knowing the right thing to say politically or for SJW brownie points is a lot different than actually 'giving a damn' of course.

Oh don't get me wrong either it also doesn't bother me unless I was somehow really personally invested in what the IEE was doing maybe (which is highly unlikely as I'm not that close with them) In fact out of all the deltas IEEs are probably my favorite even though I know they are fake two-faced whores lol. ((I probably like IEE/SLI/LSE/EII in that order))

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I knew an IEE who was fiercely SJW but bullied me for being an addict among other things lol

I am self aware and analytical.

I am soft and easily pressured.

I am not the loudest energy in the room or the star of the show.

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I knew an IEE who was fiercely SJW but bullied me for being an addict among other things lol

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If it's ok to ask... what did he (or she, but most IEE are male, so probably he) do to bully you? Deltas can be pretty disturbing to me at times (and as you know, IEE can quite rigidly adhere to gender norms and be unhappy even bitter when people don't adhere to those), but I had wanted more info on what IEE bullying behavior was like, so that's why I decided to ask you. Sorry if it wasn't ok to ask.

Stereotypes is what supposed to be common - among the most.
LSE have no significant interest to psychology and do not write to psycho forums, in common. :) It's NF region and TS should be the least there.
LSE are not common in esoterics practicing as it's Ni - their weak nonvalued region. I do not think myself as big fan of that, but used a little since teenager times. I have experiences to think objective side of what relates to esoterics, though esoterics is not what I think as controlled good enough. On time it may work as should and then don't, what makes it as doubtful to be used seriously. It can be used as additional method and when close to common psychology of an imagination.

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I mildly dislike the daily grind of makeup and cooking, so I avoid them as often as possible. Occasionally I like to dress nicely and make a cute bento box but most of the times it's spending 5 minutes in the morning selecting boring sad-looking clothes with the bonus of being easy to match to squeeze the most sleeptime out of the day. I have a slouching problem and eyebags, probably a lifestyle + genetics issue. Appearance-wise, fits the ILI description a lot more than Si ego.

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I had an SLI GF and this was pretty dead on for her

Surprisingly, not many. Decisive check, bad at cleaning, check, hard working, check, hates doing little tasks, and would rather pay things off check. I do want to learn to do a flip, but I'm afraid I'll hurt myself. That's the only thing that doesn't mesh. And I can explain it simply. My spider sense tells me it's dangerous to do that. I joke, but if the most imbalanced person tried to do a flip, what would happen? How did I reach that conclusion?

I don’t really like competition unless it pertains to businesses or sports. I think everyone should get a golden star for being special and unique.

While I would love to be able to do a flip onto a moving snow mobile from a helicopter, nobody does that. That's how you die. Considering on the scales of easy things to assume, that's probably incredibly easy, and that LIE is good at assuming things with adequate data, I have no idea why someone wrote this into the definition. Has anyone done this before even?

I don't believe in dream interpretation and dream symbolism. I don't really think there's a whole lot of hidden meaning to find in dreams (which your conscious brain isn't aware of anyway) or that it leads to having any deeper insight into the subconscious. I still find dream states and the strange perceptions they produce an interesting topic, though.

how DO i conform to the stereotypes? i work at a bank. oh yeah, that makes me beta, lol

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how DO i conform to the stereotypes? i work at a bank. oh yeah, that makes me beta, lol

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Don't you work in regulation and conformance? That makes you a person who wants to rid the world of things which could become problems in the future. See, for example, Strat.

I don’t like to cook. I don’t like to bake. I’m not enthusiastic about doing chores. I’m not a slave to comfort. I have periods of low energy but wouldn’t call myself lazy. I don’t collect random items. I don’t pick up objects just to “feel their properties”. I don’t mind conflict. I enjoy debating people for fun (even if I lose lol). I easily manage my money. I have goals in life outside the home.

I'm a thinking type without Fi, and yet I'm really prismatic in a dollhouse or teddy bear like craziness of love and milkshakes switching moon shades on this histrionic overdrive of blaze and intensity!!*

I don't claim that I can predict the future.

^ So you're LIE?

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SEIs can give that impression. I knew an SEI priest who was typically so quiet and withdrawn that children were intimidated by him. He gave the impression he was living in another world, constantly thinking cold thoughts, and perhaps didn't need to eat food to live, like a vampire. He didn't usually take the initiative to speak to anyone, especially in a crowd, and would often sit alone. It was only if you saw him actually communicate with people that his Fe was evident, and the impression of austerity would melt away entirely. He was in fact a kind and gentle person, to elderly people and animals especially.

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Oh boy... I relate to this way too much... I've been told I look pretty dead when alone but light up magically when talking to people.

Hmm. Something more unusual for an SEI I guess is that I happened to wear skirts in the middle of winter numerous times before. I was very determined to prove that it's possible to ignore temperature...
Though it had to do with me being 1. young and rebellious, and 2. withdrawing into my head and "manually" forgetting physical sensations. But the moment someone did note the brisk (or even scalding) weather, then all the sensations would come back to me and I'd scorn at them (playfully) for making me pay notice. It wasn't too bad of an idea in the end because I've learned how to build psychological tolerance to the weather, though now I gladly supplement it with appropriate winter wear...

Fi tends to trust more in stereotypes. It is like a fact you can attach to a person. Maybe they think it is important to act like one and Te finds comfort in it.
Ti probably tends not to trust stereotypes and Fe takes active acts against stereotypes.

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Fi tends to trust more in stereotypes. It is like a fact you can attach to a person. Maybe they think it is important to act like one and Te finds comfort in it.
Ti probably tends not to trust stereotypes and Fe takes active acts against stereotypes.

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Ya, the Ti madhouse of construction fruits and imaginative finishes to the ranch dressing is all multi-layered and counter chaotic, like a language of rules and restrictions from which the limitless is created.

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Hmm, I'm not sure I agree with this..I definitely see where you're coming from, but types that are non-Ti valuing and/or high in Fi seem to be less likely to believe in stereotypes, in my experience at least. It might be an Alpha vs Beta Ti distinction though, as Alphas generally don't seem to embrace the hierarchy and categorical thinking as much. But for me personally, I always get pretty uncomfortable when people state vapid non sequiturs applied to arbitrary differences between different groups (i.e. "that's how women are," "that's the way the world is," etc.). Despite the fact that it denies part of who I am as a person when observations and trends are applied to a whole group without any wiggle room, I just feel that so much of it is needless and completely unnecessary. It bothers me that people are unable to interrogate their own biases (even if that interrogation itself may be biased), or explicate their worldview, without resorting to that just being the way it is. Granted, likewise that doesn't apply to all Betas at all (e.g. Foucault), and many Deltas/Gammas are guilty of both that tendency and resorting to stereotypes to explain behavior. But at least for me, and some of the other high Fi users I know, that stuff is anathema to us, as it deprives people of their humanity (in our opinion), treating them as objects acted upon by reality without the possibility of being agents/subjects in their own right as well.

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Well, I see it as this:
gamma (democratic) = individual + stereotypes (comes off as I represent this and this),
delta (aristocratic) = group + stereotypes (comes off as being a man/woman etc),
beta (aristocratic) = group + constructs (this is why we as a group might act like this under these laws),
alpha (democratic) = individual + constructs (this is why I'm/you are like this because...)

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Lol, that's kind of a stereotype. But wait..... Aren't most socionics descriptions stereotypes anyway?! :eek:

Any functions can produce stereotypes, i'd just loosey tie it to unreflectiveness, (+)-signed functions of Socionics and the social enneagram instinct in general. I think the confusion comes from the fact that most discussions are about Fe+/Fi+ stereotypes(valued by beta/delta, but used by everyone in a fashion or another).

By valued + functions:
Gamma: Se+(ex: that looks expensive and shiny, so it must have value! It's mine, so it means i'm rich haha!) and Ni+ stereotypes
Beta: Fe+(Women are like that! Gays are like this! Lesbians are like that! Genderfluid homoerotic pansexual cauliflowers are like that!) and Ti+(this ideology the only right way to organize this community! Everything else is chaos!) stereotypes
Alpha: Si+(ex: drinking your own piss during full moon heals cancer! It's the only healthy way to live!) and Ne+(Linux is the best OS , don't even discuss it!) stereotypes
Delta: Te+ and Fi+(If you eat burgers you're a cow hater! boooo!) stereotypes

granted, my examples aren't the best :popcorn:



Aren't stereotypes based on heuristic constructs that don't align with facts? I'm confused by this

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In delta world following scenario exists:
LSE: "Hi there EII woman. I as a LSE gentleman offer you a seat because you are a woman and 1.4 months older than I am."
EII : "Thanks, LSE. I must accept this as a physically weaker representative of the sexes and as an older person."

Alpha scenario:

ESE: "Hi there fragile LII. You do not have clothes on. Let me clothe you because you shiver and you are naked."
LII: "Thanks. I do shiver. Good observation there and also I'm socially inappropriate according to current standards."

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My point was more to say that all IEs have stereotypes because they all 'filter and classify reality' in a way. But I see what you mean, it's a great comparison of how alpha and delta approach SF things.

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When you construct something it is a lot like running a generator from a seed value. It overlooks previously accepted information which makes it very Ti. Conclusion can be same.

I am not much of a drama queen and I do not have the best sense of time. I do have a good imagination, though.

While INTp is supposed to have problems with dirty things and germs, I've learned to not really care. It's not conducive to worry about something that sometimes kills you and sometimes does not.

my Si is supposed to be 2d but I feel like it's even weaker than that lol

and my Se is -10d actually

does that count

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Alpha: "What? I have to put on a mask to protect myself from COVID? Says who? The big power hungry government who went to war with Afghanistan?! They can't force me! That's ANTICONSTITUTIONAL! These masks aren't even locally sourced, they come from China! That's against my life ethic because I'm a pacifist and buy locally! No way I'm going to put these on, I'm a fighter for FREEDOM!"*see you at the hospital*

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Fi tends to trust more in stereotypes. It is like a fact you can attach to a person. Maybe they think it is important to act like one and Te finds comfort in it.
Ti probably tends not to trust stereotypes and Fe takes active acts against stereotypes.

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never trust in reality

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my Si is supposed to be 2d but I feel like it's even weaker than that lol

and my Se is -10d actually

does that count

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So you just invented a negative dimension. Mind bending.

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So you just invented a negative dimension. Mind bending.

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She is a woman of many talents.

Imaginary dimensions are next.

And don’t you wish you had thought of that? :)

My main issue is I just don't represent the EJ temperament that much, I don't carry the rigidness or constant mobilization that one would expect from such.

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My main issue is I just don't represent the EJ temperament that much, I don't carry the rigidness or constant mobilization that one would expect from such.

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You sound like you’d be perfect for most EII-Nes :P

I have live and let live policy.

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She is a woman of many talents.

Imaginary dimensions are next.

And don’t you wish you had thought of that? :)

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Hehe, the factory has many stories and tapestries to its Nintendo 64, or "imaginary dimensions" as the crosshair in Your patchy the pirate spongebob oceanic overhaul.

Next we'll have Japanese sushi in flatland to try and sea if you can introduce curved space and gravity on your paper and report card!!*

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You sound like you’d be perfect for most EII-Nes :P

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Why do you say that?

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Why do you say that?

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While EII-Ne is not an irrational type, we try to keep our minds open to changing situations and the strict judgments of many (not all) xe-Ejs can feel undermining at times. I only have your posts to go by, but you sound like you might have an irrational subtype, which is more sensitive to life’s ebb and flow and so is more “chill.”