Poll.
Poll.
I'm a Muslim, so yeah, but I'm not sure that I would describe Satan that way. Seems christian in origin and style, but what the heck. Yeah.
I think that if there is a god, Satan is just a scary muppet he uses to scare and test the masses.
I think it is good to avoid doing evil. It just creates mess and turmoil over all from the practical standpoint.
No, I do not renounce a satan, or a god, for the mistakes of humans. I believe if you need a scapegoat to blame when you fucked up then you haven't truly accepted your place in creation. You are not defenseless. The power for both "good" and "evil" are within you. Unfortunately some people just come out wired all wrong. Perhaps in the future we will be able to turn off some of those genes. If you need to blame anyone for evil then it would be more logical to blame god since he would have created it all, according to some belief systems.. I don't see the logic in blaming any mythological being for man's own ignorance and failures. It's fine to fail btw. If we are persistent and care enough we will finally get it right OR we will eventually destroy ourselves by not learning from the past. Either way problem solved.
Nah my neighbor has hellish opera voice over but he is still my neighbor
I don't believe there's a supernatural being who sits around telling people to masturbate and abort babies. I do, however, believe that it's possible, maybe likely, maybe even certain, that there is a kind of antithesis to God. It seems to me that for every action, including those performed by the supreme being, there is an equal and opposite reaction that occurs sooner or later unless something intervenes to prevent it. The universe left to its own devices tends toward equilibrium. If that's correct, then everything that God does gives birth to a force that would undo it. This antithetical force isn't necessarily evil, though; just as a good pencil has an eraser, a good supreme being has an antithesis, and for largely the same reasons. And so my answer is: no, I don't renounce Satan but rather consider him a necessary part of the eternal drama.
I would have to say no because I am too self-destructive and am not liberated from the darkness... Regardless of which religion, or how "the devil" or "ultimate evil" or whatever is defined, it involves being caught by illusions that lead one to ruin. The salvation or enlightenment offered by religions is how to free oneself from living in an illusion, providing clarity and opening one to being truly "good." If I do things to bring myself down, sabotage myself, tear myself apart, and create more suffering out of suffering, then basically I am caught by this "evil." Had I renounced it, this should not be the case. Unfortunately it is not so simple to renounce it, because I am caught in my own labyrinth in which darkness and light co-mingle and one can easily appear as the other. I imagine to even be free of this would require constantly maintaining some "higher awareness" and that it would be relatively easy to slip back into the shadows. I really do see the world as a dark place in which we try and fight for "the light" and so often can't reach it. However misguided, at least our efforts are in part, genuine.
YES.
Not really no. Sorry but in my life most people who were considered 'unclean' or criminal/satanic/dark/evil have been the ones that have truly been kind to me and most people who thought themselves as 'Godly' or righteous have been the most monstrous and horrible to me. /hugs @inumbra
So that's why me and Chads say 'hail satan bro' when we have gay sex.
God to me is the cruel one. God to me is the hateful one, the "Evil" one. God to me is harsh and unforgiving, too bright and light and all about punishment instead of love. Satan however is more like your cool best friend. It appeals to me more. Though I know I'm not good, just a perverted unclean demon thing- I know as soon as I think I'm 'good' is when I will do the most horrible fucked up shit.
You refer to the godly righteous here. Certainly the most sharply memorable ones are the hypocrites. They tend to make a lasting (offensive) impression, once the truth of who they really are is revealed. I am reassured that you say here: 'most people' - meaning, not all. Because I am confident that God has not left you without witnesses to who He truly is. He would not leave you without that. Please remember those true witnesses in your life, who were not hypocrites.Quote:
Originally Posted by BandD
Jesus warned us there would always be hypocrites and false teachers and prophets. He said:
"Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?”
And then will I declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.” - Matthew 7:21–23
Also it is not fair to judge Christianity by those who claim to be one but don't live by the tenants of Christianity, is it?
Satan is the wrong one to side with, BandD. Yes, he is charming, friendly and does a good imitation of being the one who has your backside. But he is a liar. He wants your eternal damnation, and he will never give up pursuing His goal of seeing you share his lot in eternity.
You come to Jesus as you are, because he loves you now, as you are, flaws and all. It is by his grace and power that we improve. It is not by our own power that we improve, but His. Usually one baby step at a time.
@ BandD, I am remembering what was told to me by a healing minister.
I had gone for a healing to this powerful ministry, a 1:1 session where you are intensely prayed over for about 4 hours [it's calm and quiet, not dramatic], to cleanse you from all the satanic influences in life, from all the havoc wrecked on your soul by sins one chose or felt driven to commit, all the damage and trauma that messes one up including things that happened to us before we were even born. Like things in the womb, and generational sin. Truly we all need this and this is part of what Jesus wants for each and every one of us - to make us whole.
I have mentioned I had this healing here on 16T a couple of times, but have never explained it, though I am not about to explain it now because it is so out of this world I think it will take a lot of words. But a significant thing is that the first person I met after the healing was my now husband, my dual, and as I have described here on 16T before, at that brief meting, I unexpectedly and unintentionally fell quite hard in love with him, which is something I had no desire to do with anyone ever again. Being married as duals has brought further healing and wholeness to both of us.
There is so much to say about that, but what I want to tell you is what this healing minister said when I spoke to her on the phone, when, beforehand, she was explaining to me what the healing session that I was driving to CT for would be like. (She was trained in a ministry that has representatives all over the country and world, and further, there are other Christian healing ministries that do the same thing. I in fact found them for a truly messed-up PTSD friend, and I knew these ministries existed becasue of having long ago read John and Paula Sanford's books, Healing the Wounded Spirit and Transformation of the Inner Man.] She said:
"Did you know that ALL of your thoughts originate from OUTSIDE of yourself?"
I think I am remembering correctly that she said "all", not "almost all".
This is what she said, and she was VERY firm and specific as she was presenting it as one of the solid premises this healing was based on. I was prepared to place myself in their hands for my healing (I was certain Jesus had led me there), so while I had never heard of this concept, I acknowledged it could be true and decided to accept it at least for the purpose of this healing, and then let time tell if it is still true.
What it means is, just as you acknowledge here in your own post, there are only TWO sources of spiritual input, or, voices that speak to our soul, or, sources of our thoughts, as she said. Pure good, or pure evil. That is two: God, light and goodness and truth, who loves us and wants us eternally happy with Him in Heaven, and Satan, pure evil, who hates us and wants us eternally miserable with him in Hell. So she was saying, that ALL our thoughts originate not from ourselves, but from one of those two sources.
I am as prideful as most everyone else, and I like to think my thoughts are all uniquely original to me. But, this idea that they all originate from outside ourselves ruined that for me. I cannot deny what she said, even though I often forget and revert to thinking it's all about me, much of the time. But because that one day of prayer permanent transformed me, taking away pain I have carried my entire life, that I was used to, revealing a new lighter me, I cannot discount that major premise that this healing was based upon.
So, seek God, who is light and truth, and He will reveal Himself. He says, "Whoever seeks Me, finds Me." He always tells the truth.
I dont think satan is the author of sin in my theology. In Islam we believe humans have an evil drive called the nafs which can be channeled toward good, and that satan merely whispers suggestions into peoples hearts step by step to do the wrong thing with this drive and with their carnal self, but ultimately people are responsible for their own sin. Similar to Judaism actually. And similarly to Judaism satan was allowed to be a test so that people could be either higher than the angels (muslims dont believe satan is a fallen angel angels have no free will in islam they only do as they're told by God) or lower than animals since an animal's nature is to obey its carnal self without restraint, it's just instinct. But unlike Judaism satan's a bad guy but I'm not entirely sure Jews believe in satan come to think of it, at least not all sects
When Satan tells me not to do my homework, I do my homework. Satan is constantly trying to put seeds of future weakness in my life. Been there done that suffered the consequences one too many times to give in. But Satan has good points, so I try to make time for him
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No, I respectfully disagree. =D I think Satan is the one that really likes us and is just horribly misunderstood, God is the one that hates us because God is the one that wants to punish us for being 'bad.'Quote:
God, light and goodness and truth, who loves us and wants us eternally happy with Him in Heaven, and Satan, pure evil, who hates us and wants us eternally miserable with him in Hell. So she was saying, that ALL our thoughts originate not from ourselves, but from one of those two sources I think...
God is 'overbearing' light which hurts you. God is like torturous, continuous light in your eyeballs when you'd rather sleep. God doesn't let your eyes heal you. He just burns you with his light, until you are nothing. God doesn't love you. He's just manipulating you. God wants to send you to Hell and watch you eternally suffer while he laughs at you. God pretends to invoke justice but he just wants an easy scapegoat so he can get away with looking like 'the good guy' when he's really the Bad Guy. The Light can harm and damage and the Shadow can mend and heal. The real natural world is usually mixed in with complex shades of gray. There rarely is a 'Pure' good or 'Pure' evil like you are talking about.
God isn't goodness. There's no such thing as 'good.' God created people to bully and torment for his own fucked up amusement , nothing more. Satan accepts who I am. Satan accepts my 'weird', my freakishness; my sin and my homosexuality. Satan doesn't ask me to change those things about myself if I want his acceptance. Satan loves me this I know, for my Dark Grimore tells me so. God will love me maybe, if I obey him (refuses to capitalize the h because God needs to get over his own arrogance) and I become his slave- God's love is horribly conditional & sadistic. However even if I annoy or piss off Satan, even if I 'go too far' and become more evil than even Satan- even then he still loves me and doesn't try to punish me. Lucifier I am there for you. How shall I do your bidding today?
Yes, Satan can 'hurt me too' as they are both powerful deities with tons more HP and stats then I have. But I'd rather be stabbed in the back by Satan then stabbed in the front by God. God [can] tell the truth, so what? As Anya on Buffy used to say "I told the truth all the time when I was evil."
How could I betray my genetic heritage?
They always say you should love yourself first, if you want others to love you in return.
I do no renounce myself.
generational punishment is such an evil concept.
what a messed up evil thing for a deity to allegedly do: sentence people who are related to someone who made a choice
humans really ascribe awful ideas to whatever god they are talking about sometimes.
"Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”" Christianity and Judaism
I think really the garden of eden story is about how to contend with an existence full of suffering and death, with the nature of life and all its horror. Adam and Eve took the exit out of the garden in which none of these things existed, in which they would be "happy" forever. The tree is just a door, and after they accessed it, they couldn't get back in. It wasn't really that God wanted to punish them, but that he couldn't prevent them from taking the exit. The whole thing is about trying to reconnect with a dream of eternity in which there is no hate, only love; no death but eternal life; no separation from those we love and we can be together forever; no pain or suffering of any kind.
Really life is horror and the world's religions are about trying to cope with that horror, trying to understand it so it doesn't hurt so bad, so it isn't all consuming. This is because humans don't just suffer, they suffer due to their suffering... And although they can't stop the horror of life, they can find a way not to hurt so much because they are hurting, if that makes sense--to ease the mental torment.
In a way it can feel like existence/life is flawed because every living thing has to harm other living things to sustain itself. If you want life, you must take life. And even then the world wears on you gradually grinding you down to dust. I mean it is, in a way, hell. This actually is being a vampire, damned, in a sense. And you just watch everything you are and everything/one you love slowly disintegrate (or not so slowly), helpless to stop it. Everything you have you will lose, so on and so forth.
Religions and their stories just reflect this horror and provide ways to deal with it.
ETA: and the other interesting problem was why weren't Adam and Eve just content in the garden? Why when everything was perfect and they had everything, was it not enough? It's like in religions that believe in reincarnation, why do we choose to continually be reborn so we can suffer all over again. It is like our nature is torn. No matter what there is something to lose. And perhaps living in some holy perfection isn't worth it to us either.
I was playfully trolling in the earlier post to make a point. I'll try to be a little more serious and clearer in my communication right now tho cuz I think it's an important lesson for everybody to learn.
I think if there is such a thing as religion or true spiritual happiness, you're not going to get to the other side "denouncing" Satan, but by accepting him and loving him as a part of yourself- which will ironically allow you to step out of your ego and into the 'other side.' That is really what 'dark nights of the soul' are all about- you don't judge the darkness as "bad" and run away from it like a coward - you ride it out and go deeper into it. I don't just 'think' this , even. I know it. You don't read it somewhere either in a book although of course multiple books have said the same thing as I'm saying now, they just value Te better to charge you $9.99 for it. You have to experience it yourself.
And people confuse themselves on what God really is, they tend to see him as a loving but perhaps firm, arrogant and wrathful (usually white and heterosexual male) authority figure. But it's not a gay guy up there either of course. It's not a person- it's a state of being, it's an egoless state where you see the physical, real creation of humanity without any judgments or perceptions. You see 'reality' and not your own previous projections of reality- and that non-ego reality usually is "beautiful" or as idealistically "good" as you thought- the same way a sunset or waterfall in nature is pretty. But ironically again, you don't get to these good, sweet and tender and truly uplifting moments in life by running away from the 'bad", or the 'Shadow.'
And you can't eternally stay in 'Heaven' either- life is naturally challenging and I think to function you usually need some sort of an ego. In a non-dualistic world, of true shamanic beauty- the 'light' and 'evil' aren't opposing or battling each other eternally anyway. They are co-existing in non-dualistic love. The sun isn't hating the moon or vice versa that is a false story of Humans it seems to make life more 'interesting' and 'dramatic.'
Okay so I lied. There is a gay guy 'up there.' Multiple gay male shamans and priests are having an Orgy in Heaven and that's the reason you all exist. I'm pretty knowledgeable about my spiritual journeys. (just bad at mechanical things) God told you that gay men are going to go to the 'dark place' instead - because God is a big troll and Gadfly. He likes to fuck with our minds. He trolls us all the time to see how much we're paying attention. As He knows it's not about Words, it's about real beings and real dimensions and real things. That's the thing. He's like that loud mouth and annoying Jew at the party that's going to argue with every thought you have until the next thing you know you're giving him money. Or hating him thinking you are loving him, or loving him thinking that you're 'an Athiest' to be cool to your friends but God Knows.
So yes, if you want to know God, how he truly/really is- you ride the wave of uncertainties.
Hooray for the Unexpected, Hooray for Weirdos! Hooray for My Life!
"Well of course I'm strange. That's the whole point."
"Most of us don't feel comfortable with unexpected things happening to us in this way."
"Yet if you can go with this unexpected feeling and stick it out-"
Well you know... Magic happens. Literally. (an oldie but goodie):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAD...mp;app=desktop
Gods start out representing a culture's will to power, sometimes mutating afterwards. Man created god, so he can only be as evil as we are. If his utmost source is in us, then we deserve every newton of what he throws at us.Quote:
Originally Posted by nanashi
Pre-judean mythology was consequentialist anyway as the feeling of pity was considered degenerate and absent from the ancient world. Defiling a sacred thing by accident has the same effect as doing it on purpose, causality doesn't give a crap what one's intentions were. Highborn die highborn and lowborn die lowborn, no matter what.
This is consistent with modern genetic science. Interestingly, it was Anaximander the greek who first suggested we evolve from fish, and lucretius the roman who suggested natural selection (he didn't connect it to evolution). The building blocks of modern biologically theory were all there in place in the ancient world, as if waiting to be linked together.
The Democrats are pro-choice but Biden is still preferable to Trump.
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I highly, highly doubt that.
ok, here are just some (inconsistent) thoughts about this topic from what I've read and what I have understood so far:
It blew my mind when I first read that Jung identified anti-Christ as "ideology".
If Christ is "the way, the truth and the life" (obviously the Self), then anti-Christ is everything that leads away from this.
The Self means tedious work at balancing and improving your real, lived life. Your relationships, neighbours, environment, love, work, social status, adventure, skills. What your real life consists of. It doesn't seem like anything spectacular. But it slowly grows.
What seems spectacular though is a mass-movement. In a mass-movement the individuals own personality has no importance. There are people who think that they have found it, the real thing greater than life, but they are just vessels for some idea that has possessed them.
The interesting thing is that illusion and falsehood is also real in a way, it is a part of life. So Satan is also something that one has to take into account. But it is a problem of later development. In order to get on the path of life you have to renounce Satan and stick to genuine life.
There is personal evil (the personal Ego-Shadow), but then there is divine Evil, Satan, the shadow of the Self.
So it was before Jung wrote anything: the Beast in Revelations is Rome and the Catholic mass concludes with the Creed, in which assistants renounce the earthly Roman lord and accept Jesus and their only Lord, rejecting Roman values. The Christian mass movement was not constituted by conscientious people but by people that pushed for the slow reconfiguration of moral values and it can’t be much of a puzzle if we think about organized lower-class movements in developing countries.Quote:
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Correspondence & polarity. One can't really experience joy without sadness and the deeper the sadness the greater the joy.. same goes in reverse. The contrast is necessary. If the roots run deep, the tree will be mighty and reach for the sky. This does not mean however that one should embrace the fertile soil and rot in it. The goal should be to reach for the sky and you can't really do that without deep roots.
To be an atheist is to be boring. What I'm saying is not an endorsement of darkness, I'm saying you have to experience darkness to appreciate the light. In principle this should be true despite people having different ideas as to what is good or bad.
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Absolutely cringe.. also wearing the symbol of death on it's ears. The cult of death, antithesis of life.. thats what this liberal garbage is.Quote:
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e_e this is why we can't have nice and crispy corn flakes..
I need someone to blame!
Dude, I heccin love the peace sign storyQuote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
From Cracked
'Originally, it was an image of a dude slumped over in despair. Gerald Holtom, a British graphic designer, came up with the peace sign design in 1958 to be used at a protest against nuclear weapons. It's actually a kind of double entendre: People have adopted one interpretation of the symbol, two superimposed semaphore letters -- N and D -- which were meant to stand for "nuclear disarmament."
But what we've forgotten was the primary image that Holtom was trying to portray: In his own words, his logo was meant to be a "human being in despair." The inspirational peace sign is in actuality a representation of a man who has lost hope in a world gone mad, stretching his arms out and downward in desperation and defeat. Holtom immediately regretted his depressing-as-hell image after it went mainstream and tried to change it by flipping it upside-down so that the arms were stretched up into the air. He could even have kept his semaphore imagery, because the V-shape in semaphore is a U, for "unilateral." But the alternative version failed to catch on.
Instead, a depressed and defeated stick man became the inspirational symbol for every progressive movement of the late 20th century, from Vietnam to civil rights. We can suppose it wouldn't have caught on so well if he had gone with his alternative design of a stick man quietly slashing his own wrists.'
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:thinking: Animism and panpsychism...is fucking based (even if this would repulse OP)
If Christians were serious about getting converts, they wouldn't have called their antagonist "The Prince of Darkness", which is the coolest possible name that you can give someone.
Yeah, they should have called him "The Prince of Barkness".Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
I admire his's courage of making war againts the most powerful being in the universe, fingting for his own freedom instead of accepting the forceful love of God.
But. there are plot twists about God create Satan as a bad guy so he can look good in people's eyes when he defeat him in the most stylish way.
Satan always plays for security, for safety, and even after he loses gambles, he finds a way to cheat the rules, or resort back to an earlier security, or something of that nature.
The light side is invincible, divine, holy, wise, strong, exalted, extreme, and positioned, poised to grab the capital trophy that resurrects and redeems all time in the most perfect way Imaginable.
This Love, this Light, this candle is the hardest way, requires the most command and extraordinary bright council to command, but the way leads to endless freedom and ultimate power, power enough to eclipse the stargate of Prophecy and enlightenment on route to a golden utopia!
“This is no time to be making new enemies.”
the author/creator of anything is God. Satan is described as an angel - as a servant
in some sense, Satanism is any opposing to God. including deification of anything besides God
from this point today churches known as Christian who claim equality of Jesus to God are eh... partly follow to other side
same is questionable position at those who hate something, including what they describe as "sin". as it's all created by same source known as God and serves to his aims
in final sense, only to be holy is not to be in satanism. to be in a state of unconditional love and acceptance of God and his creation
the 1st sin was the knowledge about what is good and bad. it's the break of the said holy state
I happen to be Christian. Yeah, I find Satan to be a dork
And thus you indirectly grasp the reason behind the meme of the "Witch Test" as I put it and why it is so effective @Eliza Thomason. The demons/heretics/heathens/etc. seek to make us live up to our own moral standards whilst refusing to acknowledge our faith and morality as legitimate in and of itself. Well, if said blasphemers and deniers of Christ are so intent on making us live by our supposed rules why don't they follow them themselves? It's a backhanded acknowledgement that we're in the right if ya really think about it.Quote:
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This is a key reason why I know Christ is right. If he was not, than why is he so hated by almost everyone? He wasn't illogical, he wasn't irrationally hateful, hell, who'd he even kill? Yet the mere mention of his name and gospel generates hatred equivalent to the level you'd expect to be directed towards yourself if you'd literally killed a blood relative of someone right in front of them in cold blood! Why? Well, only one faith/church provides a satisfactory answer...
Given the demonization of the ancestral Anglo-Saxon gods by Christians I'm assuming they got absorbed into the concept of "Satan" so no. I'm not really religious at all, but I feel much more connection to Tyr, Woden, Thunor, and Frig than I do to Christian figures. It's very sad to me that we know so little about what those figures meant to the cultures who recognized them. Even what we know of the somewhat cognate Norse mythology is largely through a very Christian lens
That's not to say that I have no interest in Christianity though. It's terribly interesting given the blend of theological concepts that it's formed from, but in terms of felt connection for me there's not much there
Well there's an easy answer to that one. See, Christianity is true and the very best lies are spiced with bit of the truth so as to trick even the most intelligent (a gift from God BTW) into refusing said truth and condoning their own damnation (the only way that actually happens as well BTW).Quote:
Originally Posted by AWellArmedCat
The "true" parts were acknowledged and the false parts were discarded. Said pagan faiths intuitively got they were missing something. They had the concept of a "hidden" god. A god they knew somehow existed yet their pantheon didn't acknowledge nor offer an avenue of worship. A popular statement from the earliest evangelists was that they represented that hidden god. That got their foot in the door. After that well, as they say, the rest is history. There is a damn good reason the pagans dropped Thor/Odin/etc. for the true faith and the one true God and his son Jesus Christ.
It's happening at a great clip in the "East" as we speak fun fact. By around 2040 China's gonna be a "Christian Nation" full stop. As in, there will be at that time so many ardent followers of Christ that the Communist Party will get booted out much as Queen Isabella booted out the heathens/heretics/unbelievers from Spain upon the conclusion of the Reconquista.
Despite what many may say, I state again why it was a good and most merciful of plays. You get to have a peaceful and well-run country one of two ways. Either said "nation" is composed of a largely similar genetic stock (i.e. everyone's of the same "ethnic" group by and large) or you have a panoply of humanity who, despite that, all kneel before and worship the same God. If both of these aren't the case? Well, the blood will flow freely, frequently, and logically unnecessarily until one of them is in the long run. I don't like this, but history time and again states this to be the case.
So I'd beseech any who get that to get on the real "right side of history" as the haters of the truth/Christ so often state they are. Confess that Jesus is the Christ and God has risen him from the dead. Truly, honestly, earnestly. Renounce Satanic "privilege" and embrace the heavy yet ultimately negligent weight of penance for thy sins. You'll find yourself far happier overall if ya do :).
I just did some quick Googling and found that the fastest growing religion seems to be Islam currently, and it is projected to overtake Christianity as the most dominant religion in the world towards the end of this century. While indeed it seems Christianity will continue to grow for quite awhile it seems to be doing so at a much slower rate comparatively. I can't say that I'm necessarily happy about this trend though as the influence of Islam on countries doesn't seem terribly positive in many cases. Additionally, I live in the "East" currently and can tell you that most Japanese people I've met aren't particularly interested in Christianity beyond it being fashionable to have western-style weddings in churches.Quote:
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One more thing, I don't feel any hate towards Christians/Christianity as you seemed to imply that I do. I come from a Christian background as most Americans do, and find it plenty interesting to study (I particularly enjoy Jordan Peterson's interpretations of Genesis, and Religion For Breakfast's videos on various aspects of the religion), and I even learned to read Koine Greek well enough to read John. If following it improves your life then I'm happy for you. I was simply answering the poll
I'd say I'm similar in that respect. From what I can tell the iconography of Satan as we know today is based in large part off of Pan from Greek mythology, and the trident he occasionally wields in more cartoonish depictions is something that might've been taken from Poseidon or Shiva. I've noticed that more explicitly favorable interpretations even draw parallels between him and Prometheus, who introduced to mankind the knowledge of how to use fire and was punished for it, similar to how it went down when Satan appeared as the serpent of Eden (if that's who it was) and led them to knowledge of good and evil via the fruit. Or Enki, who in original Sumerian myths was the one who came, also as a serpent, instructing Noah to build the ark (there's much to indicate that the Epic of Atra-Hasis, rather than Abrahamic sources, contained the original story of the flood), and Melek-Taus of Yazidi mythology, who refused to bow to Adam as he was instructed, which he was rewarded for instead of punished (it's worth noting that it was out of devotion rather than pride, so that's hardly a Satanic archetype). There's also Adonis, who was thought to be linked with Satan by the Adonists before they were snuffed out by the Nazi government, but I don't remember the whole story behind that one.Quote:
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So, my answer to the main question of the thread would also be a no. Insofar as he's thought to be in the guise of any of the previously mentioned figures, unless that somehow includes wildly different characters with ugly-sounding names like Baal, Moloch or Huitzilopochtli, who take kids as blood sacrifices as you'd expect from classic Hollywood Satanism (largely invented by the religious right), I don't pick up much cause for revulsion compared to what's instructed of Yahweh's people in Leviticus and other such texts. Otherwise if we're referring just plainly to some cosmic or metaphysical principle of evil itself, I'd need to be convinced that human virtues or transgressions actually hold that amount of significance, beyond just ourselves and the world.
Admittedly I may have openly looked to associate with the guy during my edgy teen phase, but nowadays I'm tending more towards Thelema or Daoism. I still remain without any interest in putting myself in the hands of any religion for the masses that has us accept a supreme judge for our fates, or insist on faith/worship as a surrogate for or prerequisite to knowledge.
@End - Could you explain the reasoning behind those third and fourth paragraphs? I'm well aware of the rocky history between the CCP and various religious groups that have given them cause to rebel, but if you ask me I think the Uyghur Muslims nowadays would have more of a score to settle with them than anyone else, and they probably have more numbers behind them. So assuming it can only be an ultimate battle for religious and ideological dominance rather than an appeal to democratic interests (as foreign as that may seem to that part of the world), then those Christians would have a lot more to contend with than just the ruling party, and their odds don't look so good on that front. They'd have better luck with the Koreans.
We shall see. The Muslims foolishly embrace polygamy and thus I can attribute their seemingly rapid growth to what it entails from a basic and raw biological standpoint. Quantity has a quality all its own one hellspawn said, but fellow ILI's aplenty (though perhaps not sharing in my theistic convictions) put it best. One man is worth a thousand if he is extraordinary! You... won't get even a small handful of said extraordinary men out of the tenets of Islam and the society that dogma tends to produce. Again, for a truly extraordinary society, you need something like Christianity. Islam, Communism, et al. ain't it nor will they get you anywhere close.Quote:
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You weren't outright hostile so I won't issue a witch test just yet. Though I am a bit worried about your reverence towards Jordan Peterson. People can have good quotes and all, but the dude's now a proven grifter whom I'm certain would fail that test despite whatever positive things he may have said of the one true faith. He'd be better off accepting the gospel his vaunted "Western Civilization" is based upon and confessing his conversion to Christ for all to see. That he has not tells me all I need to know at present.
Again, if Christ is so wrong, why does the mere mention of his name inspire such frothing and irrational hatred? One could just laugh him off like a metaphysical/theological Mel Brooks yet they don't. Why?
I'm quite certain that whatever "frothing and irrational hatred" goes on is usually not so much for the figure of Christ himself as it is for the evangelism on his behalf. I'd be perfectly fine speaking of him from a neutral standpoint, and it's likely that you'd find the same attitude among most other non-Christians. But it's a different story when we bring the idea of indebtedness to him and the Christian faith as a serious point of dialogue to the table. Imagine that someone came to you with the uncompromising assertion that Zarathustra is the one true son of God and sole condition for "salvation" that you must give your life to, and didn't do much more to convince you than with some repetitive, alternating combinations of fiery and flowery phrases that wholly disregard any rational appeal by default, leaving you at a loss for arguing with them on those grounds. You'd probably be confused, and maybe even amused by this at first, and then after much of the same thing you'd be understandably fed up with it, in such a way that whenever you hear the name, you have some idea of what you might be in for. Then when it comes down to expressing your mind, it could easily seem like irrational hatred to those adhering to this belief.
Satan is bae <3
I have something I need to do but my ‘are you feeling it’ radar displays 0. It’s only 2 hrs to do, I have been avoiding it for hours already ;(
Also thinking of taking a leave tomorrow to sleep the whole day bec it’s the time of the month anyway but I also can’t because I’ll have to finish something important and have a long meeting
I’m also sad since yesterday bec I remembered sad stuff
My stomach also hurts a bit now, and I accidentally bit the side of my inner cheek and now it hurts
My lips are also chapped and it’s bleeding a bit
My stomach hurts
Everything hurts
Have mercy god I’ll renounce satan now ;(
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Holy shit. I have days exactly like this. Exactly.Quote:
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I started reading this because I saw "my 'are you feeling it' radar displays 0.", and I thought "That's a perfect description of how I feel about doing work for other people, rather than for me.
@one, call in sick. Right now. Go to bed, and when you wake up, whenever that is, take two aspirins and start doing the stuff that's due RIGHT AWAY. If you procrastinate after sleeping, you won't get it done at all.
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I was able to check that earlier so I got up lol thanks.Quote:
If you procrastinate after sleeping, you won't get it done at all
I did take medicine just to finish the damn thing. I wasn't able to call in sick now though I'm currently regretting it. This will be a long day I think and my Si is dying
I wonder if Satan for Gammas could be working for other people. Fucking hate it, though I love working and getting busy in general.
Take care one, because they don't care about your well being at all. I exactly feel the same about working for other people, although I like working.Quote:
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Please do not support Satan or make it trendy. WARNING. Disturbing content:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ioRBNriG8&t=261s
SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE
What is Ritual Abuse?
The term ‘ritual abuse’ was first used in the early 1980’s, to describe a particular form of abuse, (predominantly of children), involving organised ritual as a central feature. The term first appeared in North American literature and was used in Australia from 1984 onwards (Scott, 2001). Since this time, the term ritual abuse has been defined in various ways, by various people, including survivors, academics and workers from professional fields that come into contact with survivors and perpetrators e.g. police, social workers, psychologists etc.
Ritual abuse has existed for longer than the last twenty years. Survivors talk of their childhood experiences of ritual abuse, occurring in the 1950’s and 60’s. Ritually abusive practices within families are often trans-generational, meaning they are practised by various generations of family members over many years. Evidence, derived from court cases and personal accounts, indicate ritual abuse existed as far back as the 16th century.
The extent to which it is practiced in Australia is hard to determine due to a number of factors, including the highly secretive nature of ritual abuse practices and a culture of disbelief which further hides it and, which influences and impedes political and social institutions’ responses toward it.
The 1989 Report by the Ritual Abuse Task Force of Los Angeles County Commission for Women, defined ritual abuse in the following way:
Ritual abuse usually involves repeated abuse over an extended period of time. The physical abuse is severe, sometimes including torture and killing. The sexual abuse is usually painful, sadistic and humiliating, intended as a means of gaining dominance over the victim. The psychological abuse is devastating and involves the use of ritual indoctrination. It includes mind control techniques which convey to the victim a profound terror of the cult members and of evil spirits they believe cult members can command. Both during and after the abuse most victims are in a state of terror mind control and dissociation. (ASCA, 2002).
Survivors of ritual abuse may give varying descriptions of their experiences. However, a number of factors generally feature across accounts including:
- The abuse includes physical, sexual and psychological abuse
- The abuse constitutes a range of criminal acts
- It is systematic, can be ceremonial and often occurs within a group setting (usually more than one perpetrator at a time, but not always)
- Like all abuse, ritual abuse is about power and control, but is designed to more expressly meet the needs of a group, with the specific purpose of indoctrination into that group’s belief system or ideology
- Mind control techniques or programming plays a significant part in keeping group members faithful to the group and its needs. Much of this programming is about engendering a sense of terror within group members, so that they will not leave the group or expose the group’s criminal practices to outsiders.
Survivors’ accounts of their experiences of ritual abuse also include attempts to clearly distinguish this kind of abuse from other kinds of abuse they may have experienced. For example, in Sara Scott’s book, The politics and experience of ritual abuse: beyond disbelief (2001, p.62-80), women survivors of childhood abuse, including ritual abuse, clearly distinguished between their experiences of more “regular” forms of familial abuse, and their experiences of abusive cult ritual, prostitution and child pornography. However, all of these women’s accounts illustrated that the different kinds of abuse and exploitation they survived were interconnected within a culture where the abuse of women and children is normalised – a daily reality.
Survivors have also questioned the fact that the term ritual abuse has become too broadly applied. For many survivors ritual abuse, where a belief system or ideology plays a key role in abusive ritual, must not be confused with “ritualistic abuse” –abuse which is perpetrated in a habitualised manner, such as the sexual abuse of a child perpetrated on a daily basis.
The term and practice of ritual abuse has also been closely linked with other categories and practises of abuse, including: –
a) “organised abuse”, which refers to the abuse and exploitation of children through organised crime (prostitution and pornography) and paedophile rings;
b) institutional abuse, which refers to the abuse of persons within political and social institutions, such as within schools, orphanages and mental health facilities etc;
c) “organised, sadistic abuse” which is often used as an umbrella term across these kinds of abuse, wherein ritual abuse features as a more extreme example.
Who Perpetrates Ritual Abuse?
Initial discussion of ritual abuse in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s predominantly implicated satanic cults in the perpetration of ritual abuse against children. However, not every group or cult dedicated to satanic worship practices ritual abuse.
Moreover, ritual abuse is not exclusively practised within such groups. Groups or cults organised around other religious or quasi-religious belief systems, including Satanic cults, have been associated with the use of abusive ritual to maintain control over members. Ritual abuse which occurs within religious groups is often called “cult-based ritual abuse” (Kelley, 1988, p.229).
Religion is not always a defining factor of groups who practice ritual abuse. White supremacy groups such as Nazi cults and the Klu Klux Klan have been associated with such practices. Groups involved in organised crime and paedophilia have also been identified as sites of ritual abuse. Ritual abuse which is not part of a developed belief system, but which is primarily about the sexual exploitation of children has been called “pseudo-ritual abuse” (Kelley, 1988, p.229).
Groups who practice ritual abuse are always hierarchical – the abuse is used to maintain this hierarchy and to benefit those at its higher levels. Benefits may include power and prestige, sexual gratification and financial wealth.
Ritual abuse may be practised within family groups across generations, or it may be associated with groups or institutions external to survivors’ families. For example, some reports concern the recruiting of children from orphanages and day-care centres, for abuse within paedophile rings. Ritual abuse may be perpetrated through connections between families and external groups.
Impact on Survivors
Impacts of ritual abuse on survivors ritual abuse has profound effects upon the lives of child and adult survivors. The range of psychological symptoms and emotional effects survivors may experience include:
- Trauma related symptoms such as flashbacks, dissociation, amnesia and triggered flight or fight reactions to circumstances which in some way remind the survivor of abusive experiences
- Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) or Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD)
- Self-harm and eating issues
- Suicidal thoughts and attempts
- Confusing concepts of good and evil
- Preoccupation with death
- Memories of ritualistic practices such as Black Masses and sacrifices to Satan and those which involves gang rape, murder, the abuse of animals and being buried alive
- Memories of symbols and ceremonial objects used in rituals such as inverted crosses, swastikas and chalices
- Memories of perpetrators dressed in ceremonial and bizarre costumes
- Memories of being tortured and/or deprived of sleep, food and water
- Memories of being drugged during rituals
- Phobias of symbols associated with rituals, blood, certain colours, drugs, incense, candles and being confined in small spaces
- Shame, guilt and blame
- Addictions.
This list is not exhaustive, but simply gives us some idea of the immense impact that ritual abuse has on survivors. It also illuminates the tremendous strength of those who survive ritual abuse. Surviving in a culture of disbelief adds to the immense impact of ritual abuse on survivors, is the frustration and despair of attempting to survive within a wider culture where ritual abuse experiences are disbelieved and denied. The culture of disbelief is further compounded through the very social and political systems and institutions, which are supposed to promote the best interests of survivors, as those requiring special personal support and legal protection and justice.
Australian Governments have been unwilling to acknowledge that ritual abuse exists. It has been suggested that the association of ritual abuse practices with government institutions (for example, orphanages and mental health facilities) has rendered governments afraid of litigation, should they fully acknowledge its existence. For whatever reasons, governments have not encouraged adequate responses toward the issue from those systems which come into contact with survivors and perpetrators. This includes the criminal justice and health-care systems, which are responsible for the provision of services that promote the health and well-being of survivors of sexual violence
Of course. And I know most people praising Satan are just edge lords but the theistic Luciferians out there have to be the most self hating idiots in the world. Satan literally hates your ass with a level of hatred greater than any man could ever feel. You being a human being praising Satan is like you being a Jew praising Himmler except x1,000 worse. Praise all you want but he still hates your very being and wants nothing more than to see you suffer and be destroyed.
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Room 101, the Pope peering into your soul, knows your phobia.