ESFp

Boring thread, I know. Sadly I don't know how to be interesting. Give me examples.

Surprise surprise, I know very few people who fit these qualifications, due to not going outside.

I can assume my two discount regulars are Fi/Se or Se/Fi. I deal with them both very well. They buy anything at 50% off. It's good practice even if they aren't poor.

@Cybel For the people they don't respect, do they use them blatantly or their manipulations are more hidden? I'm still thinking about the types of some of the people I know that have a tendency to use others for their own means, and I see two types: One tries to be as confident and loud as possible and orders people outright, while the other looks harmless outside but smoothly manipulates you into doing things. I can see that it's possible for SEEs to do both things since the first kind is most likely Se and the other can be Fi, but for the former, I notice that these people are seen as evil and do not have good public standing. I'm not sure if that applies to SEEs because based on the descriptions, they are charming and they know how to draw others towards them because they are ethical types after all.

You probably described both SEE and ESI.

It's not just being an ethical type though. I am also charming, but for other alternative reasons. It's because I'll bend over backwards to make sure you are good. I am not an ethical type, as far as I can tell, although some guy said I sound like SEI. Idk what he was talking about, tbh. He then got really angry and started repeating things. I will never forget that.

Btw, @DEAD, if you want the thread to be anything good, just tell us what you expect. It's gonna be socionics otherwise, and there's not gonna be a lot of ESFp stories, cause there's not a lot of ESFps, so...

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Just a question, how are SEEs as friends? Do they have the tendency to "use" their contacts that they become more of a taker than a giver in their relationships?

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Originally Posted by Cybel

If they respect you they won't. If they don't... that's another story. I used to heavily dislike an SEE at first for how she seemed to use certain people like puppets, shallowness, selfishness, but now we're best friends. Usually it's the opposite, people like her a lot at first and then grow more disillusioned as they get to know her, basically realizing what I did when I first met her. I think seeing all her flaws really helped our relationship, she would call me out on my sad loserfag bullshit too which most people are too pussy to do in real life.

If you're a polite pushover expecting polite pushover behavior back you're probably gonna feel used by SEE, sure. But it's pretty easy to sidestep that, just offer them help even when they don't ask for it and ask for favors back. Bam. Now, you are letting them use you, and using them back. If that doesn't sound appealing then a one-use middle finger and glare will solve that. Maybe. Honesty isn't too bad though, they respect that. An even more effective solution would be a clingy overly sensitive doormat who licks their boots all the time, they hate those.

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Yeah, to be honest. I don't become "friends" with people, until we get close. I see a lot of what I do with other people as favours and "business transactions" until I form a relationship with people. I think a lot of people also think that a lot of people are put off because I am pretty harsh. I call people out and can come across as judgemental/critical to other people because of how I am. And yeah, clingy people are pretty annoying.

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Originally Posted by Alomoes

You probably described both SEE and ESI.

It's not just being an ethical type though. I am also charming, but for other alternative reasons. It's because I'll bend over backwards to make sure you are good. I am not an ethical type, as far as I can tell, although some guy said I sound like SEI. Idk what he was talking about, tbh. He then got really angry and started repeating things. I will never forget that.

Btw, @DEAD, if you want the thread to be anything good, just tell us what you expect. It's gonna be socionics otherwise, and there's not gonna be a lot of ESFp stories, cause there's not a lot of ESFps, so...

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I think Gamma can really look out for the people they like and make sure they're good, especially people who have earned it. People they are loyal to.

Cough I'm an ESFp. Cough! I have stories and stuff. Nah, for real, I think the original purpose of this read was for other ESFp and me to share those experiences and discuss but I think the focus has shifted more to Q+A for ESFp, which I suppose is alright because it keeps the thread alive. Curiosity is nice in a sense, as long as it doesn't overshadow experiences. You can share memes as well, if you want. Don't bite.

I don't know you but you are so cute :hyper: I feel relax reading your post ~~

But why the "ILI sad boy"?. Those Fe Si people are often mistaken in thinking that I'm "sad", but I was just enjoy a daydream about some mangas's story...

I'm not an idiot, Dead, yes you say you are ESFp, I'm just going about my own stupid. My own stupid is infinite. Whenever I'm bored, I check this place for more information, and then feel obligated to provide some. Then I do.

Today I have actually met ESFp. Pretty good, actually organized, and basically does everything as I'd expect. Didn't expect to have to be literally perfect with my words otherwise they'll get confused. Mildly annoying, bit makes sense if you look at INTp's cognitive form, and ESFp's cognitive form.

Oh dang, ESI's cognitive thing is incredibly interesting to me, as it is exactly what I need, and ask for. They can probably help me consider every possible answer for this socionics crap, and then I'll pick the best one. It's not as easy as you think, it requires me writing down a bunch of crap, then checking if it passes for quality, then rewriting it if not. I get stuck on part 1, even though words per hour is super high.

I don't ask questions, I just dump information.

SEE
http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...nist_Cognition

You can correct it as needed.

Also, Putin is SEE. This is because he's like Napoleon. And I mean in mannerisms and perceived awsomeness.

Also, Dead, when you're talking to a declaring person, don't expect them to ask questions, rather, ask questions. I will consider it in this case, to actively follow my own advice.

Why are you SEE? How did you reach that conclusion?

Fugg it. I was gonna send a reply but the stupid thing timed out on me. Hate it when it that happens.

I dunno how to get it back, so too bad.

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Fugg it. I was gonna send a reply but the stupid thing timed out on me. Hate it when it that happens.

I dunno how to get it back, so too bad.

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That use to happen to me all the time. Hated it. Sometimes I copy what I write while I am writing in. just in case I need to paste it. But, sometimes I take it as a sign from the Universe to just leave it alone.

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Originally Posted by timber

That use to happen to me all the time. Hated it. Sometimes I copy what I write while I am writing in. just in case I need to paste it. But, sometimes I take it as a sign from the Universe to just leave it alone.

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Yeah, it's really annoying ain't it?

So, today I watched TV. I learned things. I don't usually watch TV, but apparently gettig drunk is bad for your immune system.

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Originally Posted by DEAD

Yeah, it's really annoying ain't it?

So, today I watched TV. I learned things. I don't usually watch TV, but apparently gettig drunk is bad for your immune system.

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cool.

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Originally Posted by timber

cool.

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Ask me something, I'm bored.

Aside from showing them the implications of their actions and direct them to tasks that are meaningful, I wonder what makes ILI a beneficial partner to SEE. What exactly does an SEE need regarding the intuition side of things? Pretty sure SEE don't also need much help in factual matters do they?

Also the other way around, what can SEE offer to an ILI? I may have missed a couple info but what I mainly saw from articles was about the socialization and networking aspects and how SEE can motivate the ILI.

Not like I've seen a lot of this pair irl so I couldn't really think of some concrete examples.

Also lol I'll just keep asking questions here about SEE of there is no set topic for this thread. Can we just post any random thing about SEEs here?

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Aside from showing them the implications of their actions and direct them to tasks that are meaningful, I wonder what makes ILI a beneficial partner to SEE. What exactly does an SEE need regarding the intuition side of things? Pretty sure SEE don't also need much help in factual matters do they?

Also the other way around, what can SEE offer to an ILI? I may have missed a couple info but what I mainly saw from articles was about the socialization and networking aspects and how SEE can motivate the ILI.

Not like I've seen a lot of this pair irl so I couldn't really think of some concrete examples.

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There was a SEE member here a couple years ago, HotSauce, I think, who said that she really appreciated the way that ILI's chill. She said they don't get jealous the way LIE's do. She had more praise for ILI's, but I can't remember it all.
She returned for a day to say she was getting married to an ILI, IIRC. So she put her money where her mouth was.

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Originally Posted by Alomoes

Why are you SEE? How did you reach that conclusion?

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Because I think that it's the best fit type for myself. I think that I'm not a BETA NF, and a DELTA NF or an ALPHA SF. I've toyed with the idea of Beta ST before, but I don't think that matches as well as Gamma SF does, for me anyway. I was thinking about ESI as well, but I'm not too sure on that because I think I display more Se and Fe than I do Fi and Si, even in a slump. I still get ESI suggested to me heavily.

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Originally Posted by one

Aside from showing them the implications of their actions and direct them to tasks that are meaningful, I wonder what makes ILI a beneficial partner to SEE. What exactly does an SEE need regarding the intuition side of things? Pretty sure SEE don't also need much help in factual matters do they?

Also the other way around, what can SEE offer to an ILI? I may have missed a couple info but what I mainly saw from articles was about the socialization and networking aspects and how SEE can motivate the ILI.

Not like I've seen a lot of this pair irl so I couldn't really think of some concrete examples.

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Why not have someone fun as a partner? I think duality is really boring. Idealistic. Not much of a challenge.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

There was a SEE member here a couple years ago, HotSauce, I think, who said that she really appreciated the way that ILI's chill. She said they don't get jealous the way LIE's do. She had more praise for ILI's, but I can't remember it all.
She returned for a day to say she was getting married to an ILI, IIRC. So she put her money where her mouth was.

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Hello Mr ESI seducer. Does she still come on here, or nah?

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Hello Mr ESI seducer. Does she still come on here, or nah?

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I'm singularly unsuccessful as an ESI seducer. :(

But to answer your question, no, I haven't seen SEE HotSauce here for a while. I think you can do a search for her posts.

@DEAD Duality is boring in your experience? Anyways to answer your question I don't specifically look for someone fun, because sometimes it crashes later on. It doesn't matter if relationships are not the most fun as long as it can stand the test of time. I cannot just look for another one over and over everytime the current one fails me. Too much energy needed for that one, I could have just used that energy for other more important things. If I stay with them instead, I'll still waste energy fixing miscommunication and disconnect.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

I'm singularly unsuccessful as an ESI seducer. :(

But to answer your question, no, I haven't seen SEE HotSauce here for a while. I think you can do a search for her posts.

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Oh too bad ;P

Anyway thanks, that's a good idea.

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@DEAD Duality is boring in your experience? Anyways to answer your question I don't specifically look for someone fun, because sometimes it crashes later on. It doesn't matter if relationships are not the most fun as long as it can stand the test of time. I cannot just look for another one over and over everytime the current one fails me. Too much energy needed for that one, I could have just used that energy for other more important things. If I stay with them instead, I'll still waste energy fixing miscommunication and disconnect.

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I'd rather be in a fun shorter relationship than one that's boring and lasts. It just kills me. Maybe it's a introvert vs extrovert thing as well.

Okay guys I made a video and want your honest opinions on it:


https://streamable.com/xbw2h5

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Originally Posted by DEAD

I've toyed with the idea of Beta ST before, but I don't think that matches as well as Gamma SF does, for me anyway. I was thinking about ESI as well, but I'm not too sure on that because I think I display more Se and Fe than I do Fi and Si, even in a slump.

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Hi Dead,
Just read the whole thread. You sound so ESTP! All your posts basically scream Ti/Fe.

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Why not have someone fun as a partner? I think duality is really boring. Idealistic. Not much of a challenge.

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Dual partner is actually so different than you that makes the dynamic interesting but still comfortable.
But if you want more challenge, then go for either semidual or mirage, or benefit, as long as you share the same judging functions.

P.S.
Cool video!

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Originally Posted by Scarlett

Hi Dead,
Just read the whole thread. You sound so ESTP! All your posts basically scream Ti/Fe.

Dual partner is actually so different than you that makes the dynamic interesting but still comfortable.
But if you want more challenge, then go for either semidual or mirage, or benefit, as long as you share the same judging functions.

P.S.
Cool video!

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Really? I'm a confirmed ESTP in MBTI.

People have these really stupid stereotypes that SLE are disciplined for some reason. When I think of SLE, I think of Jackass and Johnny Knoxville. Not some sort of hardened military general who has everything organised. Like, Donald Trump is SLE (don't care what anyone says) and he's the least disciplined person I know (him not being "organised and disciplined" was the stupidest reason I've heard for him not being Ti creative; look at Azelia Banks, she's commonly agreed upon to be SLE and she doesn't come across as either of those things from what I see of her. Is this another stupid gender stereotype also?). And I don't think SLE really give a crap about systems like LSI (sure, half of them don't really care either). People think Ti bases are all discplined and erudite and all this nonsense. People take the system and the theory really literal for intuitives. It's not about how you act, it's about how you process information.

Duality is a boring, overly idealised concept. Just because you find someone of the opposite type, it doesn't magically make things right. The whole "opposites attract" thing as well. Not every IxI will like you, and vice versa. It just depends on their interests as well, and outside factors. How well you gel outside of type and how you actually benefit each other.

Thanks.

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Really? I'm a confirmed ESTP in MBTI.

People have these really stupid stereotypes that SLE are disciplined for some reason. When I think of SLE, I think of Jackass and Johnny Knoxville. Not some sort of hardened military general who has everything organised. Like, Donald Trump is SLE (don't care what anyone says) and he's the least disciplined person I know (him not being "organised and disciplined" was the stupidest reason I've heard for him not being Ti creative; look at Azelia Banks, she's commonly agreed upon to be SLE and she doesn't come across as either of those things from what I see of her. Is this another stupid gender stereotype also?). And I don't think SLE really give a crap about systems like LSI (sure, half of them don't really care either). People think Ti bases are all discplined and erudite and all this nonsense. People take the system and the theory really literal for intuitives. It's not about how you act, it's about how you process information.

Duality is a boring, overly idealised concept. Just because you find someone of the opposite type, it doesn't magically make things right. The whole "opposites attract" thing as well. Not every IxI will like you, and vice versa. It just depends on their interests as well, and outside factors. How well you gel outside of type and how you actually benefit each other.

Thanks.

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Just wanted to agree with you about Duality working best when the people have common interests.

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Duality is a boring, overly idealised concept. Just because you find someone of the opposite type, it doesn't magically make things right. The whole "opposites attract" thing as well. Not every IxI will like you, and vice versa. It just depends on their interests as well, and outside factors. How well you gel outside of type and how you actually benefit each other.

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Yep, agree. I never think duality is based on attraction in the first place anyway.

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Just wanted to agree with you about Duality working best when the people have common interests.

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Yep, agree. I never think duality is based on attraction in the first place anyway.

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Exactly. Some people have the wrong idea about it. Some people think it's like a Harry Potter spell and they automatically are latched lol. Isn't Duality more like this video?

https://youtu.be/JX02QbeVIUg?t=14

(You have to click on the link, embed didn't work lol)

I'm replying to you both but I put it in one reply btw.

How did you enjoy your life?

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How did you enjoy your life?

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Do you mean: How do I currently enjoy my life, or is this a reference to my username, "DEAD"? Well, I'll give you an answer:

1. I currently enjoy my life by watching movies with my friends, sometimes drinking copious amounts of alcohol, writing stories and eating food. I also read a bit, watch Youtube, research Socionics, sometimes go shopping and I make videos/music as well. Since most of the good places are closed cause of lockdown, most of my activies are at home. I'm also remodelling my bedroom and ordering some things online. I fgot some under the bed storage as well as a new bed. I'm loving the minimalistic look.

2. As for enjoying the afterlife... I'm not sure yet. I haven't made it there and if the world ends before I "die", I mightn't die at all in the sense of "death" as an experience.

Now that I know more about the theory, I don't even think I am ESFp.

Or am i overthinking it?

there are a lot of disparaging and cursory suppositions about what it is to be SEE.

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there are a lot of disparaging and cursory suppositions about what it is to be SEE.

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I don't think I am one functionally.

I do not think I have creative Fi, or 4D Fe.

I think my Te is pretty good, as is my Se (duh).

Dead? Do you think Kevin Hart is SEE?

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Dead? Do you think Kevin Hart is SEE?

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I don't know. I haven't really looked into him :) Do you think that he might be?

My sister is Esfp. I couldn’t ask for a better sister. She makes my life fun! By taking me on fun outings and often being the life of the party- bringing people together, starting good convos or having a random adventure. Always has good tunes to play at top volume on a taxi ride ;)

And she’s a good listener and will do her best to provide emotional support and practical advice. She looks out for me a lot.

I think SEEs want to reach ‘a happy place’ in life and they want to take people on the ride with them. They make the effort to help people with practical needs and are very friendly with strangers, as if they want to spread a little bit of positivity everywhere they go.

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My sister is Esfp. I couldn’t ask for a better sister. She makes my life fun! By taking me on fun outings and often being the life of the party- bringing people together, starting good convos or having a random adventure. Always has good tunes to play at top volume on a taxi ride ;)

And she’s a good listener and will do her best to provide emotional support and practical advice. She looks out for me a lot.

I think SEEs want to reach ‘a happy place’ in life and they want to take people on the ride with them. They make the effort to help people with practical needs and are very friendly with strangers, as if they want to spread a little bit of positivity everywhere they go.

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Are you sure she isn't an ESE?

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Are you sure she isn't an ESE?

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Yes sure! ;)

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there are a lot of disparaging and cursory suppositions about what it is to be SEE.

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Yes SEEs can look very different. It can take me a while to type them sometimes.

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Yes SEEs can look very different. It can take me a while to type them sometimes.

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I dunno, I don't get and buy that every single SEE wants happiness, wants to help people, be friendly and be positive. Gamma are negativist types, and pretty businesslike. I can be quite a skeptical person, and most certainly not a friendly one either. It takes people a while to warm up to me. I don't want to help everyone, unless they need it. Unless it makes sense to. I don't like this light interpretation of ethical types, nor SEE. As if it's the only state they can be. And also the almost robotical nature of logical types, being cold, and machine-like. Archetypes don't describe the whole situation, nor are they accurate but enough people seem to embody these archetypes as the reality that they're meant to help people understand. But archetypes aren't the whole, accurate story of reality. Neither are observations, though they tend to be more accurate than just archetypes. And because people don't see outside of the system, they miss the fact that the archetypes aren't the end all or be all of everything. It's a combination of IME, observations, archetypes and the raw data itself of how a person comes together.

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Originally Posted by DEAD

I dunno, I don't get and buy that every single SEE wants happiness, wants to help people, be friendly and be positive. Gamma are negativist types, and pretty businesslike. I can be quite a skeptical person, and most certainly not a friendly one either. It takes people a while to warm up to me. I don't want to help everyone, unless they need it. Unless it makes sense to. I don't like this light interpretation of ethical types, nor SEE. As if it's the only state they can be. And also the almost robotical nature of logical types, being cold, and machine-like. Archetypes don't describe the whole situation, nor are they accurate but enough people seem to embody these archetypes as the reality that they're meant to help people understand. But archetypes aren't the whole, accurate story of reality. Neither are observations, though they tend to be more accurate than just archetypes. And because people don't see outside of the system, they miss the fact that the archetypes aren't the end all or be all of everything. It's a combination of IME, observations, archetypes and the raw data itself of how a person comes together.

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Good stuff. I was trying to focus on the positives. I could say more negative things haha. But I don’t think it’s a healthy way for me to think about people. Also, I feel like SEEs already get a lot of criticism? Also, they are my semi dual so I like them ;)

I have been reading about typology long enough that I feel a bit more confident sharing my opinions now. They may not be perfect descriptions but I hope they have value.

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Good stuff. I was trying to focus on the positives. I could say more negative things haha. But I don’t think it’s a healthy way for me to think about people. Also, I feel like SEEs already get a lot of criticism? Also, they are my semi dual so I like them ;)

I have been reading about typology long enough that I feel a bit more confident sharing my opinions now. They may not be perfect descriptions but I hope they have value.

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I hate people focusing on positives, without being balanced. It really annoys me. Positive thinking is as harmful as being completely negative, imo. So does sugarcoating things. I find it hard to like people on Socionics forums, especially people who act like stereotypes and archetypes (not saying everyone does) but a lot of people are predispositioned to do that, and it gets annoying after a while.

I'm glad that you're getting more confident to sharing your opinions. I just share whatever I think, and you should too. Don't worry about other people.

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I hate people focusing on positives, without being balanced. It really annoys me. Positive thinking is as harmful as being completely negative, imo. So does sugarcoating things. I find it hard to like people on Socionics forums, especially people who act like stereotypes and archetypes (not saying everyone does) but a lot of people are predispositioned to do that, and it gets annoying after a while.

I'm glad that you're getting more confident to sharing your opinions. I just share whatever I think, and you should too. Don't worry about other people.

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SEEs aren’t usually that open with me about their inner struggles. But more is coming to mind now. I have seen a lot of problems with addiction (perhaps underneath the drinking is depression/anxiety?) And older SEEs who seem to have trust issues regarding relationships.

ESFP Guys can be menacing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTzTkRU6mRY

ESFP guy throws a knife at the beginning of the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvlDoZAC1uk