:thinking: finally, here we go.. saving this here for later viewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiwiLfuXHPI&t=65s
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:thinking: finally, here we go.. saving this here for later viewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiwiLfuXHPI&t=65s
:thinking: so Dany is EIE e_e .. makes sense. I'm starting to get it.
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You are Ne-base, so the intention is there, but we all know it is never going to materialize.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I'm whatever DarkAngelFireWolf69 says I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
Each person is entitled to choose their own God (and live with the consequences).Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Besides. DarkAngelFireWolf69 is LII, what the fuck does he know about people?
:> wtf do random nobodies lurking on a forum know about people?Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
He typed me LSI for good reasons, I agree with his reasoning. That is all it needs to be.
I an fact do know a lot about people. Unlike DarkAngelFireWolf69's, my understanding of Socionics is not cut off from understanding mainstream psychology, sociology, social psychology and cultural anthropology. I am, by all definitions, not a nobody. You, on the other hand, just arrived here. And you will not be around long, not even long enough to build a proper understranding of Socionics.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Nice threat. No credentials. No experience to speak of. Words.Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
If that's the kind of place this is, then I'll be better off and thankful for it.
This is a good video
I look forward to reading your take aways :)
You say that as if you’re a people rather than a random nobody.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I'm a random nobody here as well. I suck at typing others so I won't even try.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
Imo the above video is a good way to distinguish EIE from IEE and so it is useful to me as an LSI as well as for other ppl who are interested in seeing which one they relate to more in case they are one of those types.
e_e it seems tho that some ppl aren't taking my typing by G. as LSI well. Regardless I give authorities more weight, it makes sense to, considering his experience and knowledge of the subject. If you don't like it, leave me to my foolishness. If this shit continues, I will blacklist each and every one of you one by one.
I have made myself clear. Last warning.
Lol @ trying to act as if more aggressive because of new LSI typing.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Thats one.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
One what?Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
One Se-less warning? Lol
I have been here for fourteen years, I can't help it that you only just arrived and haven't had the time yet to stumble into many of my recent posts here, or my blog, which imho is full of original insights. Your ignorance does not say anything at all about me, or my competence as a Socionist.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Your posts on this forum show a very typical pattern of an Fe-mobilizing person, those who have been here long enough have seen people like you many times before, so we already know were this is going.
Two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
Three.Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
Whatever you say, you are still an Fe-Mobilizing attention seeking ILE like we have seen here so many timesnbefore. And like those, you too have a problem accepting who you really are. This is why you paid DarkAngelFireWolf69 money: not to really get to know your type, but to not have to accept the way you are. Trust me, it is hard to come to terms with who you are, but once you have done it, you will no longer have a reason to hate yourself, and all the reasons to love yourself and put yourself out there in the world.
jeez why do people take it so seriously when someone types as something different than what they typed them?
It's not a personal attack on you that they don't agree with you and it's not any stress to you if they are mistyped. Just leave them to it
Perhaps you could link some of your stuff? 14 years is a lot, and I really want to see your writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
:thinking: dunno. I never got along with sbbds tbh, from the first post I made on this forum, I think @silke is right about her.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaveYourself
I could try and convince them or just continuously rebut their assertions with logic, but its unclear to me if its genuine concern, personal amusement trying to confuse ppl or just ego related.
The reason I payed for a professional typing session was partly to settle the question and partly to finally have an answer and not waste time doubting & searching. From my perspective this is case closed.
I'm not interested in their subjective opinions, which only distract and annoy, so I blocked them.
Well he called the people on this forum “random nobodies” while referring to himself as “people” lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaveYourself
I don’t take it personally but if he’s acting like a dumbass and being rude too then I see no reason not to tease him for it.
I mean you could, if you had 4D Ti that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I wouldn't know how to link to posts on this forum (which is why I started a blog), but here's my blog:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Panda
https://mavericksocionics.blogspot.com/
Pay no attention to these people.
Half of them have a certain idea of their quadra or of the sociotype from experience with people to whom they assign types by observing certain behaviors that they believe are characteristics the said sociotype or through IR (the case of the man with the bear avatar I guess) and they reject what a professional with twenty years of professional experience in the field has to say simply because of that. Some of them may not like the way you see the world and cannot accept that you are a sociotype with whom they would get along, I don't know.
I imagine you have gone through what I am going through now, reading descriptions and not being able to relate them to yourself, it's understandable because on the one hand the descriptions of IM are extremely vague (some behaviors or though patterns can be viewed from the lenses of different IM for example) and on the other hand the descriptions of the sociotypes are too specific at times, causing there to be details that do not fit, or details from whole different sociotypes fitting like a glove. I still have to read the description of the LSI-H to be able to know if this specific sociotype is aggressive, but from what I myself have investigated about LSI-Ti (Which would be LSI-N in DarkAngelFireWolf69's subtype model) it is not that aggressive, and an LSI-Si subtype might not behave aggressively considering the descriptions of what a harmonizing subtype is (seeking harmony, lacking some negative characteristics of the original type, etc).
I am not the kind of person who respects or assigns traits to individuals based on their academic titles, but DarkAngelFireWolf69 has an inmense amount of experience in the field and is a prominent figure in socionics, while the ones opposing your typing are people lurking on an internet forum. It's not like you want to be an LSI and they are opposing it, it's that someone they have been praising and quoting has assigned a sociotype they like to someone who's not following the modern collective ethos, and that makes them mad.
Also. For anyone reading this, SGF has changed his mind back and forth a million times on whether he “gets along with me or not” lol. Sometimes he’s referred to me as “one of his favorite people on the forum”, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
It’a always something really extreme. Part of why Fi polr seems so reasonable for him.
Could be, I oppose the modern collective ethos, so yeah..Quote:
Originally Posted by Frddy
Btw, you considered EIE and IEI as types no? Maybe the above video will be useful in some way. I recommend it.
Yeah, you are right, but I need my perspective or worldview, in which I'm included.. to make sense and to be reliable.. <.< because I act/navigate according to it's logic. So for me this information is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synchrony
>.> <.< Because I’m LSI.. >.> <.< amirite guys? >.> <.< Do I look/sound LSI enough to you yet? >.> <.<Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I considered those types simply because I posted a video for diagnosis, and a questionnaire in another forum, both responses agreed on Beta NF, although I'm not sure of it, mainly because of the social aspect (I have problems in that area). About the IEE typing, I haven't considered it mainly because I tend to be demanding with others regarding consistency (For example, imagine someone tells me a personal story and then changes the details of it if I ask him a month later, it gives me a little bit of mistrust) and also because I daily interact with someone tested as LSE, and it doesn't seem like a synergetic relationship (although we get along).Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I'm thinking about doing the DarkAngelFireWolf69's diagnosis when I get more money to have a definite type.
It’s because you’re beneficiary/benefactor types Duschia. Get with the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
... Ok tbh though you too before have spent time arguing with me on how your friends say you have “no Ni to speak of”...Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
No offense bro I still like you but just saying.
The frequent use of emojis and similar devices such as reaction images, different fonts etc. does remind me of another LSI here, namely @onfireeeQuote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
Both are inflammatory posters who seek similar-minded people. Being on the C/H axis combined with the social orientation of LSI it isn't all that surprising.
The more stereotypical and drier LSI (D/N sub) strikes me as a type that wouldn't even register on these forums in the first place, especially the N type. I know a couple of those types in real life, and forums like these hold zero interest for them.
Just like almost everyone here, you and his duals included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
I wasn’t referencing his use of emojis at all, but his tendency to BLATANTLY and obviously change his wording of things to match his self-typing (or “G”-typing...) of the hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
Even if he is LSI, I think he deserves to be mocked for this, especially if he’s going to be rude and mock other people.
And I’m skeptical of the typing even if I may agree in the end. Maybe it’s due to being Ti valuing, but I’m not interested in appeals to authority.
Can you name even one person who has done this as extremely and often as SGF has? It’s obviously about the degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
I think ENFj are more tolerant over all, even though it might not seem like it at face value.
Weak and needed Si + Te takes a lot of energy to fill.
I don't see him changing his posting style, political opinions or music taste at all based on whatever his typing has been. It's always been the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
What he does do, though, is change all the window dressing attached to his forum presence such as avatar, signature, location etc. Basically everything except the basic structure of his signature and the username.
His opinions stay. He just draws new conclusions about how it could be explained because of socionics, why he dislikes a particular quadra or type and vice versa.
If you consider how LSI always has to exist within a system, it makes good sense. They are the opposite of loners that go their own way, they want to fit in a group and wear the "uniform" or "colors" of whatever that is. Not dissimilar from what EIE do, really.
All his typings in other systems, especially the enneagram 6 which he strongly identifies with, have remained the same and he often used these to cast doubt on his socionics typing when he saw something being contradictory.
He keeps looking for contradictions in each typing and that is the driver for the type hopping. Many Ne leads, especially IEE, seem to be remarkably static and resistant to changing their type so I wouldn't attribute that trait to Ne.
In fact, leading Ti probably makes it harder because of the constant searching for flawless fit without contradictions (arguably Ti with Ne being H-P is better at seeing the different perspectives, while C-D cog types according to mr. DarkAngelFireWolf69 have the most trouble with socionics):
"He freely makes logical assertions, often exaggerated, about new information and experience. He holds highest those rules to which exceptions do not exist"
When it comes to appeals of authority, I often see Ti leading types deferring to authority if it is related to someone's long experience and obvious expertise, however only when they themselves have accepted someone being worthy of that. It's not something lightly given.
Yes and that classically matches using Ti in a creative manner, not a staunch LSI. An LSI, even being Ne polr, would typically notice their extreme changeability and take it with a stronger grain of salt that they maybe aren’t an Ij type... (this is a thought exercise obviously)Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
The problem is that these “new conclusions” he draws are often in such extreme contradiction of one another. Ti leads are supposed to be able to IDENTIFY contradictions, not CREATE them like a fountain out of their asses.
I do think he might be LSI at this point though... he definitely uses his Ne in an “extreme” manner.
That quote was actually from the "Ti as a leading function" column on sociotype.com, lol. I would actually see LSI as more likely to reset all the rules to a new system just to avoid any contradictions, while Ti creative isn't too bothered by them and would happily twist them to further their agenda. Logic being a tool to be used and discarded, not something that has to fit perfectly at all times.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
I think the constant contradictions were bothering him and driving him crazy instead of being fun thought experiments one after another (as I'd expect from ILE, maybe even with a trolling purpose). I'm willing to consider him having stopped the type hopping now. Maybe even the blocking of naysayers is a sign of that. Personally I think blocking people is completely unnecessary and I haven't even blocked Sol, but maybe sowing seeds of doubt is actually painful to Ne polr / Type 6.
Oh interesting. Good quote. Sorry, I originally didn’t even read that part of your post after I read about your perspective of him not showing changeability lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
Yeah, I agree that I wouldn’t block people on the same grounds he does either and it makes sense.
He blocked us obviously because he does care, and I’m analyzing a) because I know based on history he’s going to unblock us within a day or two if not sooner, and b) because this is a forum about analyzing personality types, you fucknut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reyne
The underlined is good evidence away from him being an aggressor, btw, so you’re not adding to his case.
Shes iei broQuote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Her fi is too good for eie
Close enough lol. :thinking: so you are saying IEIs burn cities and ppl to the ground as well.. ahaa..Quote:
Originally Posted by kingslayer
If someone wasn’t affected by a poster, they would not care to block them. They would be indifferent and ignore naturally. It’s not toxic lol it’s basic human psychology. And you consider yourself an “F” type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reyne
I mean “fucknut” in the most polite way possible.
But what if I catch himQuote:
Originally Posted by Reyne
Theoretically neither of us or only I would if Reyne is ExI and not in my quadra lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duschia
True I’d probably catch AIDS as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reyne
ah @shotgunfingers, i've traveled afar to reach your holy LSI thread - I bring gold, frankincense, and myrrh as gifts as part of the holy sacrament
As far as the differences between the EIE and IEE, let us simply start off by their name! The Mentor vs Advisor
When the EIE/Mentor trys to help u, they shall by incepting your mind, slowly and gradually trying to change the programming of your mind.
When the IEE/Advisor trys to help u, they often drop a couple advices here and there, leaving u, to do the work.
In terms of conflict,
EIEs tend to be good at speaking in front of large crowds and gatherings, very community oriented.
EIEs have a tendency to be more provocative and in-your-face and brutally honest. They wear their hearts on their sleeves, and you'll know how they feel because they are so expressive. VERY opinionated. Even when they know their words should hurt someone, they'll say it if they deem it necessary to create change or whatever mission is on their mind. They are more comfortable with conflict.
In contrast,
IEE tend to prefer talking to people one-on-one, alone, more individual-oriented in comparison
The IEE tends to avoid conflict/trouble, skillfully they find a way out of trouble! They cover their hearts, and the IEE direct their emotions inward. You'll never know how they truly feel about you unless u get to know them on a closer level. IEE are often careful around people and don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. They are less comfortable with conflict
In terms of work
EIE, since their HA is to be successful, tend to have this workaholic mentality, may even be sacrificial depending on what it is, and run themselves into the ground.
Whereas for IEE, their HA is to know, and you'll find them interested in a wide-variety of subjects. And like the EIE, IEE can be successful too, but they don't have the same workaholic mentality as the EIE, especially if its a detail-oriented task, most productive if its something they're deeply passionate about.
In terms of energy
Have you ever been to the store, Hot Topic? When u walk into Hot Topic it's kinda like that for EIE.
EIE has this "dark", "emotional", "morbid-like" vibe (FYI I exaggerate a bit here lol)
While for the IEE,
the IEE has this "child-like" or "infantile" vibe. EIEs can have a dark sense of humor, sarcastic at times. The IEE, when they open up can be very positive, easy to talk with, and have that quirky Ne-sense of humor we all love. :hyper:
They can when given the right circumstance. She had a vision and cersei attacked those close to her heart. Weak se underestimates the damage they caused. I cant really go into much detail about the end of the show because its written like shit and shouldn't be analyzed but in the seasons where there is actually character development she is iei. She was dualized with drogo. Naturally developed more se being around himQuote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
From what I have seen properly typed EIEs seem like they are the "eye of an emotional vortex" and even without them clearly emoting, the emotional energy they put out feels "electric" and omnipresent as if they embody it, it hangs in the air around them. They often have this dignified serious but kind face imo. Its like hearing a violin play music when they interact. Intimidating and kinda "sharp" but it also draws you in.. like a moth to the flame. There is emotional intensity there..Quote:
Originally Posted by onfireee
I have felt similar things with IEIs I have seen, even if the IEI is insecure and shy... they just "leak" this intense and sometimes painful (in a good way) emotional energy into the emotional atmosphere. e_e it screams "plz help me, I'm fragile" lol, I wonder if that is appealing to SLEs.
:thinking: yeah, they aren't as refined, there is lack of flow, more "brute-ish" and have a more self centered hyper & quirky vibe. Often it seems to me that the IEE's Se is there and comes off a bit ST-ish, it makes them a bit more robust & blunt. IEEs imo are easier to initially engage with, but not that appealing, there isn't that "electric" intense wibe, sadly..Quote:
While for the IEE,
the IEE has this "child-like" or "infantile" vibe. EIEs can have a dark sense of humor, sarcastic at times. The IEE, when they open up can be very positive, easy to talk with, and have that quirky Ne-sense of humor we all love. :hyper:
I accidentally marked your post as constructive when I really meant to reply and tell you to shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
Shotgunfingers has known he isn't ILE for a while and has much better insight into himself than you do.
My perception, as it has been for a while, is that he really wanted to know his type. He's new to this and a bunch of people jumped on the ILE bandwagon, myself included, initially. It became clear to me pretty quick however that he was not comfortable with this typing, because this is not his typing. The more impressions I picked up I agreed with this too, but as stated, I can't know for sure in this context. He's been learning and the more he learned, it became very clear to him he was not ILE. The arrogance on this forum from some is ridiculous, you don't know Shotgunfingers. You see text and behaviors on a chat forum which could be influenced by so many factors. You don't see even half of Shotgunfingers. Give him some credit into his own awareness of his typing and his self.
Sorry if you feel like I'm speaking on your behalf Shotgun, this is just my perception.
You shut up yourself. I can say whatever I want to say. If people don't like that, they can put me on ignore, you silly cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie
:love:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...P8c3w&usqp=CAUQuote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
:na: see thats why consentingadult, Dutschia and sbbds are and will continue to stay indefinitely ignored.
My opinion (shotgun shouldn't be able to see this post lol) is that all this is explained best by ESI tropes/cognition descriptions. The inconsistency, the being really so bothered by too many "maybe" options, all very ESI stereotypically. LSIs just seem to ignore whatever doesn't fit their logic in Socionics as far as I observed, I only observed ESIs getting really bogged down by the too many options and that's a pattern pointed out in ESI type descs. Anecdotally, I also observed that ESIs seem to be the type most upset by not finding the right perfectly fitting sociotype in that classic way of ruminating on all those options and possibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
But it doesn't matter what socionics label we put on it. The observed pattern I described fits the ESI tropes, but it doesn't have to be labelled by any socionics shit to have validity and actually without such labelling, it retains more usability too.
Agreed I do think he has consistent ethical valuations (Fi but now I'm just almost trolling sorry).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
I observed this type of "randomness/playfulness/sociability" & vacillativeness in ESIs but sure it doesn't have to be type related. I just know how many people that fit ESI tropes the most have that playful and random style. For some reason this is a definite pattern but I don't know why. I can't see how Fi Se or any of the IEs explain it well lol tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Stance
That is, I just see it as some really personable excitability if that makes sense... but I don't really want to put the Fi&Se labels on that. To me it would miss the point, because it would then be relegated to too simplistic categories that miss the nuance of real life observations.
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Originally Posted by SaveYourself
Because of how Astronics's bullshit "logical" model naturally causes cognitive dissonance :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reyne
In some old posts I saw discojoe nick typing as LSI-D, had a high post count, and he came off as anything but dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar
I just want to say that as a Nobody, I find the insinuation that a "forum Nobody" is a bad thing to be wrong. Ya'll are like Somebodies that are racists against Nobodies. :mad:
Tbh after skimming this thread I understand why shotgun now impulsively blocks people
This shit just attests to how much Astronics sucks when people try to use it as a logical model lol
....a "logical" model for justifying their own personal emotional & nearly schizophrenic reactions lul
Like right away at the start this thread got derailed as soon as someone wanted to keep putting assumptions on what shotgun was gonna do in future simply based on the person being locked into the ILE typing being unable to deal with the cognitive dissonance stirred up in brains from the bullshit in Astronics
I mean yeah I can see why this forum is viewed as crazy by many :lol:
Theoretically with all due concern for Reinin dichotomy validity, LSIs are supposed to be a Emotivist Merry type:Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpyvic81
Emotivist
Tend to concentrate foremost on the emotional background of interaction, with 'business' a secondary concern.
Prefer the new and novel over the old and known.
Information perceived as unprofessional or low-quality can leave them indifferent.
Have greater difficulty disassociating from requests for action or consideration than from others' emotions and experiences.
“If a conversation is emotionally negative, I consider it wasted.”
Merry
Good at noticing emotional background and perceive the emotional aspect (particularly 'fun') separate from the activity.
'Getting to know someone' happens naturally, and they are well aware of the purpose(s) for which they are meeting. The proper emotional distance is easily established, adapted/regulated, and manipulated, and they easily decrease distance through their emotional 'brilliance'. A person's name (and other formalities) are peripheral to their relation with and interest in them, and thus they don't care much about formal introductions..
Not inclined to deduce 'objective truths' from their own and others' experiences – everything is relative. This relativity is perceived as an extenuation of the differing beliefs, opinions, intentions, etc. of each person. Accordingly, another person's actions are judged as correct or incorrect according to a set of subjective criteria. They attempt to compare others' views to their own, and to explain their own views in order to make sure that all parties understand the concepts being spoken of.
They are inclined to propose (or impose) another conception of the situation ('look at it this way'). If they think something is done incorrectly, they will ask WHY it was done that way. When talking about optimums, they are inclined to do it subjectively ('optimum compared to what?').
“Fun is involvement, active participation; a state of constant excitement that one cannot confuse with leisure or rest.” “I have my own ideas about how things should be done – a 'mind of my own' – but so does everyone else.”
Idk about quadra values man, I relate to more than one quadra's values lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex
And who the fuck cares about this bullshit theory either anyway, incl the "professional" typings :halo:
BTW also idk what it was that you feel I took out of context, or what particularly bothers you about my opinion since it's just an opinion and not the Holy Truth, but I'm not gonna guess at what bothered you so much