What would you type me?

SEE

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

SEE

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Oo may I ask why you think SEE?

You are sensitive to your environment because you are highly aware and that awareness comes from Se.

“ I got upset with my mom, because she constantly lets people step on her. ” - This stands out to me

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

You are sensitive to your environment because you are highly aware and that awareness comes from Se.

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On the contrary I feel like I don't pay too much attention to my surroundings as I live in my own little world, I am sensitive the disharmony in the environment how ever. I also can definitely can see Se as my PoLR though, I absolutely detest any type of aggressive behavior (which I heard can come from Se usually). I am often unaware to a lot of things though, I have been called oblivious before by classmates and friends. I am also a very very passive person in general.

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

“ I got upset with my mom, because she constantly lets people step on her. ” - This stands out to me

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I tend to allow others to step on me, but for me I don't like it when others go through the same thing. I see how it hurts her as I put myself in her shoes easily and of course I don't think anyone would want that for their mother or loved one.

You seem very positive/optimistic; generally democratic in nature

I would say EII are rather unkemp
“ want to look presentable, I don't really wear 'trendy' stuff and I don't care for brand names at all. I have been told I sometimes dress "aesthetically" by my friends/strangers.”

I do see the S though weather that’s SEI or SEE is still questionable. Maybe you are SEI after all

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

I would say EII are rather unkemp
“ want to look presentable, I don't really wear 'trendy' stuff and I don't care for brand names at all. I have been told I sometimes dress "aesthetically" by my friends/strangers.”

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Oh yes I was talking to a friend about this, when I say I dress presentable I mean I tend to dress appropriately for the occasion in order to be polite. I take care of stuff like hygiene and will go through phases where I want to be more healthier but end up going back to the way I am. In terms of "looking good" i never put on makeup unless I am going out somewhere special. I want to be healthy by going to the gym yet I don't care about myself that much, and tend to give up and not keep up with it. If I am going to a grocery store or to run errands in general I don't dress to look good I dress to be able to just leave the house and do what I have to do. Takes me less than 10 min to get ready.

This is how others see me externally

I would describe myself as calm , having quiet strength, generally not very well put together in a complete way.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...36-DC-RICHMOND

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

I would describe myself as calm , having quiet strength, generally not very well put together in a complete way.

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I relate to this

"TIM EII-Fi or SEI-Fe"

base Fi is low possibly your type by impressions from the photos

> I actually heard that EII-Fi's can look like ESI-Fi's because its their pseudo type

EII/ESI are rather close types, so people with them have significant similarity in the perception. the problem is that the type in Adam's experience could be not ESI, but for example SEI or INF* which are close to IEI

"pseudo type"

English texts are full of heresy. then novices get a mess in the heads

i think you are EII

I think you're SEI now. Can't change my vote though lol :bubbles:

I can’t imagine an SEI, who is supposed to dual-seek Ne, saying that they unequivocally dislike surprises, or verbally expressing that they care this much about morals and sticking with values. I think you are EII.

Soooo I finally decided I would make a typing video! I am extremely camera shy and nervous!! But here it is, I didn't answer all the questions I just picked out a couple! (Also you can hear my cat in the bg meowing, hes okay he just wanted attention ahah). I did three parts (3 parts 5 min each)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Wk...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxyP...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE5q...ature=youtu.be

I think people have made a good point for EII and these videos seem to support that even further

WOW we do share a lot of common features. I noticed you have a lot of the same mannerisms, hesitancy/pauses, lol you even mentioned your cat the way I mentioned my dog when they started meowing/barking. As I was watching (I have a little bit of the 3rd left, but I didn't want to lose my train of thought, I already have lmao)... forgot what I was going to say there, but I noticed certain similar facial grimaces (pursed lips to the side when considering something is one of several examples I noticed), hand movements (though I tend to move mine around even more it appears based on videos, I'm not sure if this is indicative of Fe or Ne...or maybe even the fact that you're sitting in a chair and your arms aren't as visible), but Toska brought up a really good point about upbringing which really stood out to me in your video (I was exposed to some high Fe for example). You mentioned having to be a second mom and having to be responsible young, which I did not have to be so much (although I was also the eldest, something else we share). Your voice also reminds me of a type 2 I know who also had to be responsible quite young. You do also remind me of my friend from school who is also very similar to be, but a type 9, in your voice and the soft quality in your tone. It just really got me thinking more about the impact of family/upbringing in making people of potentially same types look different. It's also interesting to consider the different enneagram types, yet the possibility of having the same socionics type, how does this all work... interesting. It could also be just similar types and function positions, but we definitely have a lot in common in mannerisms, as well as in thought process (though with some differing values, once again, upbringing could be a factor in this). Though honestly, on the values, we both highly value relationships, we just have different visions of what our future looks like as far as building our own family. I also, before you said it, noticed you warm up more and more as the recording went on, which I also noticed with myself : ) I don't feel like you are quite as scattered as me, you lost focus sometimes, but you seemed to jump to gaining your focus back quicker, which could be a result of extraneous factors as well (such as amount of sleep prior to recording, health issues, etc.)

As for your type, I don't know enough say to give a really sound opinion, and I am not even settled on my own type, but I think it's quite possible we are of a similar or same type. I'm glad you shared. You mentioned being embarrassed about something at one point, which I also did in one of my videos, lol. You seem to hesitate, pause and reflect a bit and then have a kind of realization and speed up with a sort of excitement suddenly too which I believe I've noticed with myself as well.

I'm glad you shared. It's always nice to see the person you're speaking with via text fairly frequently in motion, it definitely shows a lot.

Angelic, having watched your videos, I’ve become absolutely certain you’re SEI.

The best way, by the way, I think, to tell the difference between Alphas and Betas - Gammas and Deltas is to observe how easily smiles and laughter come. You smile very easily and naturally, almost as if your natural face is a smile. This is usually the case for Fe-ego types. EIIs in contrast don’t actually smile that much — they smile of course when they laugh, and they smile “at” people, but they tend to be more “deliberate” in a way, in the sense that the smiles are meant to convey a specific emotion. With SEIs and ESEs smiling and laughter is generally to make the listener feel at ease and promote a relaxed and happy atmosphere. Not in the sense that any of this is usually actually “deliberate” or consciously thought out, of course.

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Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds

WOW we do share a lot of common features. I noticed you have a lot of the same mannerisms, hesitancy/pauses, lol you even mentioned your cat the way I mentioned my dog when they started meowing/barking. As I was watching (I have a little bit of the 3rd left, but I didn't want to lose my train of thought, I already have lmao)... forgot what I was going to say there, but I noticed certain similar facial grimaces (pursed lips to the side when considering something is one of several examples I noticed), hand movements (though I tend to move mine around even more it appears based on videos, I'm not sure if this is indicative of Fe or Ne...or maybe even the fact that you're sitting in a chair and your arms aren't as visible), but Toska brought up a really good point about upbringing which really stood out to me in your video (I was exposed to some high Fe for example). You mentioned having to be a second mom and having to be responsible young, which I did not have to be so much (although I was also the eldest, something else we share). Your voice also reminds me of a type 2 I know who also had to be responsible quite young. You do also remind me of my friend from school who is also very similar to be, but a type 9, in your voice and the soft quality in your tone. It just really got me thinking more about the impact of family/upbringing in making people of potentially same types look different. It's also interesting to consider the different enneagram types, yet the possibility of having the same socionics type, how does this all work... interesting. It could also be just similar types and function positions, but we definitely have a lot in common in mannerisms, as well as in thought process (though with some differing values, once again, upbringing could be a factor in this). Though honestly, on the values, we both highly value relationships, we just have different visions of what our future looks like as far as building our own family. I also, before you said it, noticed you warm up more and more as the recording went on, which I also noticed with myself : ) I don't feel like you are quite as scattered as me, you lost focus sometimes, but you seemed to jump to gaining your focus back quicker, which could be a result of extraneous factors as well (such as amount of sleep prior to recording, health issues, etc.)

As for your type, I don't know enough say to give a really sound opinion, and I am not even settled on my own type, but I think it's quite possible we are of a similar or same type. I'm glad you shared. You mentioned being embarrassed about something at one point, which I also did in one of my videos, lol. You seem to hesitate, pause and reflect a bit and then have a kind of realization and speed up with a sort of excitement suddenly too which I believe I've noticed with myself as well.

I'm glad you shared. It's always nice to see the person you're speaking with via text fairly frequently in motion, it definitely shows a lot.

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Wow haha first of all, thank you for taking the time to write all of that, I appreciate it so much! Second of all, I do feel like we are similar in a lot of ways, and I know we have different ennagram types so it's interesting to see how those come into play! Yeah seeing you point out the mannerisms is really interesting, its such a subconscious thing we do that has its own form of communication. Even while writing this seeing you mention "but I didn't want to lose my train of thought, I already have lmao)... forgot what I was going to say there" is something I literally say all the time its so funny how even in that its similar. Oh yeah I wasn't able to use my hands a lot because I had to have one hold up my phone for rerecording (my computer doesn't have a camera), I did how ever use my other hand as a means to put emphasis on some the things I talked about. Funny how we even share being the eldest sibling lmao, but yeah I had to grow up slightly quicker than others in order to take on all that responsibility. I definitely 100% agree with your view on how family/upbringing could possibly change certain factors of the type! Experiences in general have a strong influence on who we are. Its interesting to see we both value our relationships with others but like you mentioned we have different visions for our future! Also about the external factor you mentioned I had just woken up and showered so I was wide awake, yet as you saw in the video that didn't stop me from losing track at times lmao.

Honestly like you mentioned; whatever our types maybe they have to be very similar or the same speaking to you even just yesterday I could already see a lot of our similarities and we seem to get along very well! I am looking forward to talk to you more often! Thank you so so much once again for taking the time to write all of that I truly appreciate the effort you put into it :love:

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Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman

Angelic, having watched your videos, I’ve become absolutely certain you’re SEI.

The best way, by the way, I think, to tell the difference between Alphas and Betas - Gammas and Delta is to observe how easily smiles and laughter come. You smile very easily into naturally, almost as if your natural face is a smile. This is usually the case for Fe-ego types. EIIs in contrast don’t actually smile thaf much — they smile of course when they laugh, and they smile “at” people, but they tend to be more “deliberate” in a way, in the sense that the smiles are meant to convey a specific emotion. With SEIs and ESEs smiling and laughter is generally to make the listener feel at ease and promote a relaxed and happy atmosphere. Not in the sense that any of this is usually actually “deliberate” or consciously thought out, of course.

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Thank you so much for your response! Wow ahah yes I smiled a lot during that to calm myself down because of how nervous I was! Really interesting to hear your point of view, thank you for including the differences between the two! I really want to look more into this and other visual indicators, that was a really interesting comparison I can see what you are talking about to I seem to smile a lot in the videos. Thank you so much for this, I really like this perspective you took with it!

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Originally Posted by Armalite

I think people have made a good point for EII and these videos seem to support that even further

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Thank you so much for the input arm!!

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Originally Posted by sbbds

I can’t imagine an SEI, who is supposed to dual-seek Ne, saying that they unequivocally dislike surprises, or verbally expressing that they care this much about morals and sticking with values. I think you are EII.

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Many Fe egos (and people of any type, really) say they care about morals. And most people have some ethical sense. The key is to observe how they actually relate to their sense of ethics.

Re. the dual seeking, something I’ve noticed is that many Si bases do not seem to like Ne, mainly when they’re young, and this dislike lessens as they age. I’m not sure if this is usually the case for suggestive functions — I didn’t like Fe much when I was young either. But in case you think I’m just pulling this out of my ass to validate my opinion of her type, think about the development of functions. Jung wrote something to the effect that the dominant (and maybe creative) was/were the ‘base’ of a person’s personality and the inferior functions (probably the Socionical suggestive and mobilizing) were only really developed later. As far as I know this is generally accepted in Socionics. If she were EII, her “base” frame of reference should be Ne-creative and demonstrate a greater openness to Ne-type ideas than a Ne suggestive.

I think we are having a similar Fi vs Fe problem Angel, lol

Actually, I missed a post, but the thing Freelance said about smiling "at" people stuck out. I feel like this is something I do. I feel like somehow I have developed Fe (people point this out in my videos and such, so I'm rollin with it), more so in certain environments and when I'm comfortable I think (I think if for some reason I'm uncomfortable or untrusting, this may be different... and that maybe sometimes it can get tiring?) but that Fi is likely my more valued function and the smiling "at" people for a deliberate purpose, is something I do feel that I do, sometimes it's just at strangers... they are strangers and they are people I'm passing by, so I think it's just... wow, I've gotta think about this, lol. I don't know if this smiling at people is something you also do a lot Angel, I guess an Fe person might do both. I think the point I'm getting at is that we might both exhibit both Fi and Fe fairly well and I'm not sure what this indicates as to typing.

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Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds

I think we are having a similar Fi vs Fe problem Angel, lol

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Definitely :(

One last thing, we both brought up how it bothers us when we think someone feels bad or left out lol

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Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds

One last thing, we both brought up how it bothers us when we think someone feels bad or left out lol

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I feel like the more we see of each other the more we relate ahah

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Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman

Many Fe egos (and people of any type, really) say they care about morals. And most people have some ethical sense. The key is to observe how they actually relate to their sense of ethics.

Re. the dual seeking, something I’ve noticed is that many Si bases do not seem to like Ne, mainly when they’re young, and this dislike lessens as they age. I’m not sure if this is usually the case for suggestive functions — I didn’t like Fe much when I was young either. But in case you think I’m just pulling this out of my ass to validate my opinion of her type, think about the development of functions. Jung wrote something to the effect that the dominant (and maybe creative) was/were the ‘base’ of a person’s personality and the inferior functions (probably the Socionical suggestive and mobilizing) were only really developed later. As far as I know this is generally accepted in Socionics. If she were EII, her “base” frame of reference should be Ne-creative and demonstrate a greater openness to Ne-type ideas than a Ne suggestive.

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As to the first part, no, most people don’t have that much of a focus on morals. It’s about the degree.

As for the second part, I disagree. That doesn’t match with my observations.

Based on the 2nd video I would say EII. Childlike vibe & sincere communication style. Not really seeing Se. Overwhelming rational Fi. Every other word is about intimacy, relationship distance, superficial vs deep, respect, manners etc etc. Your speech & self-expression seem regulated in a way that comes off as incongruent with your dead seriousness about relationships. Like its intentional etiquette masking internal judgment. My subjective reaction to you is conflictor EII, less so supervisor ESI, not really mirage SEI.

There’s a video?

Yes Here it is! @Beautiful sky

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Originally Posted by angelic

Soooo I finally decided I would make a typing video! I am extremely camera shy and nervous!! But here it is, I didn't answer all the questions I just picked out a couple! (Also you can hear my cat in the bg meowing, hes okay he just wanted attention ahah). I did three parts (3 parts 5 min each)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Wk...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxyP...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE5q...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

There’s a video?

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Post#57

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Originally Posted by angelic

Yes Here it is! @Beautiful sky

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SEI I changed it to sei

You don’t like being left out.
You can be friends with anyone. And, can get along with anyone.
You kind of hang out with people and observe and wait to be invited to a conversation.

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Originally Posted by Beautiful sky

SEE final type.

You don’t like being left out.
You can be friends with anyone. And, can get along with anyone.
You kind of hang out with people and observe and wait to be invited to a conversation.

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I personally don't think I am SEE, but thank you for the input!

SEI. 2nd possible - IEI

you look dreamy, what adds to N impressions. as a possibility, this mb due to Enneagram 9 type

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Originally Posted by Sol

SEI. 2nd possible - IEI

you look dreamy, what adds to N impressions. as a possibility, this mb due to Enneagram 9 type

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I'm more type 2 than 9 I'd say. Thank you for the input Sol what do you think my DCNH is?

I made SEI choice on your pole we’ll see what happens

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Originally Posted by angelic

Thank you for the input Sol what do you think my DCNH is?

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DarkAngelFireWolf69's subtypes is not Socionics and I do not trust that hypothesis

you may try my IR test. this may add info about your type

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Originally Posted by angelic

I'm more type 2 than 9 I'd say. Thank you for the input Sol what do you think my DCNH is?

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You remind me of robot14, in a way, who was typed SEI by a lot of people. You express more Fe, are softer and more ip-ish than her though. I think your words are a cross between an EII and SEI. I also think you are more skittish and sensitive to any disharmony? I find it difficult to imagine you with an ST.

Why do you type E2? Is it because they are called a "helpful," "mothering" type and that is very important to you? You project a kind of sadness in your video that I want to link to type 9. Not saying your aren't a 2 but they are generally more extroverted. My ESE sister is a 2w3. She sometimes seems like an SEI because she is soft and sweet but she is clearly an outgoing, extroverted person and can be more assertive if she needs to be. When she was younger she was not as assertive. I am not typing you. Just giving you some things to think about. When I saw your first video I thought you were 14 or 15. I am not sure if you mention your age but maybe it is your energy that is childlike not childish. To me there are clear differences between you and @bouncingoffclouds

She is pretty clearly NF but I can't say the same about you watching the video. I can't quite explain the differences other than vibes.

 

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Enneatype Two

Type Description

People of Enneatype Two are essentially related to other people, and they relate to them from a standpoint of helpfulness. Twos have a built in radar for what the other might need, and they see themselves as the correct person for satisfying that need. This places Twos, even though they are serving others, in a sort of “one up” position with respect to those they are serving. Twos see themselves as being not only strong enough to care for themselves, but able to care for others as well. They want to occupy a central position in the lives of chosen others, and they accomplish this by being “indispensable.” From the standpoint of the Two, it is always others who are needy and dependent, not the Two. In reality, the situation is a bit more complex, as Twos also have needs. They need to be appreciated; they need to be needed; they need to receive a considerable amount of attention and gratitude.

Twos are warm people. They are emotionally demonstrative and are generally comfortable with the physical expression of emotions. They place a very high value on their personal relationships and devote an enormous amount of time and energy to them. They tend to be practical people who thrive in the “hands on” helping professions such as teaching, nursing and counseling. Metaphorically speaking, the Two is not afraid of rolling up the sleeves and getting the hands dirty. Twos are also drawn to the role of parent – specifically what we traditionally think of as the more nurturing, mothering role. This is true whether the Two is male or female, although these qualities will typically be societally reinforced in female Twos and somewhat suppressed in males.

Twos are often seductive in their presentation. This might seem at odds with the description of Twos as being “mothering,” but both seductiveness and nurturing are manifestations of the same unconsciously manipulative desire to find a way to engage the other’s attention. Seductive Twos are often performers or entertainers; they simultaneously give their performance while receiving the adulation of their audience. Twos who adopt the seductive approach are often competitive with members of the same sex and jealous of those they deem more desirable. This competitiveness is at cross purposes with the Two’s desire to be admired for virtue however, so the Two tends to keep this dynamic in check and is frequently unaware of its existence.

It is entirely true that Twos are other oriented individuals who provide a great deal of nurturing and support to those in their charge. The Two’s self-image of being giving and helpful is not at all without merit. Twos often serve as the social “glue” which, for instance, keeps the office staff informed of everyone’s birthday – they are the ones who pass the cards around for others to sign. They are the ones who make sure that large families get together for reunions – they cook the food and strongly encourage everyone to attend. In an increasingly fractured society, they are often the ones working indefatigably to make sure that everyone is cared for.

The dark side of type Two revolves around their frequently unacknowledged need for appreciation. Twos don’t simply give; they give to get. And what they want in return for their service is the undying gratitude of those that they serve and to have their self-image as being loving and selfless reenforced. They tend to overestimate the nature and extent of what they have given however, so that the ledger of debit and credit always seems to remain in the Two’s favor. Twos tend to feel that, because they have extended themselves for others, gratitude is actually owed to them; they are entitled to it. When they don’t receive what they feel is owed them, they can become bossy and manipulative, feeling entirely justified in being so, because they “have earned the right” and because their intentions are good. When Twos become truly unhealthy, they begin to fear that the love and appreciation that they so deeply desire will never materialize. Under such circumstances they can become hysterical, irrational and even abusive.

Unhealthy Two energy can sometimes manifest in what is known as the classic co-dependent personality. Such Twos actively encourage dependencies in others so that they can feel needed. These are the Twos who are so solicitous of their children that their children are never allowed to grow up. They subtly encourage weakness in their spouses and friends. They want others to be weak so that they can feel strong and so that their ties to their intimates will remain uncut. Other Twos, when unhealthy, become dependent themselves. They find themselves the victim of a host of physical ailments which make them unable to care for themselves. Such Twos, then, require that others pay them back for all that they have done. Nothing is ever enough.

In the traditional Enneagram, Twos are believed to manifest the vice of “pride.” Pride, in this context, seems to be a technical term which indicates that the Two has, and needs to maintain, a distorted image of him or herself as being good, kind and loving. The Two will strive to maintain this self-image even in the face of enormous evidence to the contrary – and if the Two is unhealthy, there will be plenty of evidence to the contrary. Ichazo describes this psychic mechanism as ego-flat (ego-flattery). Sometimes this term is construed as indicating that the Two is prone to flattering others. Twos sometimes do flatter others, but, as the Two’s underlying program is “to give in order to get,” the ego most in need of flattering here is actually the Two’s. Being unlovable is the Two’s deepest fear, and Twos generally will simply not allow into their consciousness any evidence that contradicts their positive self-image as being loving and giving. Unhealthy Twos then, are masters in the art of self-deception and something of this quality attaches to all Twos who have not consciously worked to see through it.

Twos are likely to object that they do not in fact “give to get.” They give out of the fullness of their hearts. There is indeed some truth to this, but it is only a partial truth. Twos are not consciously aware of their need for appreciation, of their need to be needed. And it is true that when they give, they are fully attending to the other person; they are trying to be helpful. Because they are focusing on others, they are, and tend to remain, unaware of their own neediness, while those in the Two’s life will often be very much aware that the Two’s giving is not entirely selfless. The truth is that the Two’s program of “giving to get” is, like all of the Enneagram programs, largely unconscious. One of the benefits of learning the Enneagram, perhaps the central benefit, is that it can enable us all to become more aware of the unconscious agendas that underlie much of our behavior and determine much of our fate.

Healthy Twos are truly loving and gentle. They offer the love and support that all human beings consciously or unconsciously need in order to be whole. The religions of the East pay homage to this ideal in the image of the boddhisatva, who renounces entering into Nirvana so long as even one sentient being remains in the realm of suffering. Kwan Yin, the boddhisatva whose compassion inspired the Chinese for centuries, was undoubtedly a Two. A good case could be made for typing Jesus of Nazareth as a Two as well. His love of children, the helpless, the downtrodden and overburdened is, at the very least, reminiscent of type Two energy.(Perhaps this represents Christianity’s way of paying the often unappreciated Feminine principle its proper respect. Only a feminine divinity wishes for the meek to inherit the earth.)

Twos with a One wing tend to be more emotionally restrained than those with a Three wing and are frequently attracted to causes as well as people. Something of the idealism of type One attaches to their giving. They can become self-righteous if they are unbalanced or don’t receive the appreciation which is their due. Twos with the Three wing are more expansive, ambitious and image oriented than those with a Two wing. They are frequently competitive but are also extremely generous with their time and energy.

Type Exemplars

Many of the saints in the Catholic pantheon are undoubtedly Twos, but Mary Magdalene stands out in this regard (but not Jesus’ mother who was likely a Nine). While all others were looking to Jesus as their savior, Mary recognized that Jesus was tired and in need of a bath. More recently, Mother Teresa is frequently cited as a Two.

The recently deceased playwright (and feminist) Wendy Wassertstein was a Two. In her obituary, the New York Times bemoaned the fact that, in addition to losing a talented author, New York City had lost a genuinely nice person.

Monica Lewinsky: her “giving” nature almost brought down a government.

As indicated above, many performers are Twos. One such is Dolly Parton. Billie Holiday is another. On the road, she was always the one who sewed and cooked for others. She was everyone’s confidant and protector, even as she neglected her own needs. Also, John Denver.

Comedians Bill Cosby and Will Ferrell are also Twos, as are actors John Ritter, Kathy Bates and Alan Alda.

Some Twos turn their compassion to larger social causes. Archbishop Desmond Tutu was one such; he frequently reminded his followers of the need for reconciliation even in the darkest of times.

Some Twos combine their capacity for nurturing with a well developed intellect and utilize the latter in service of the former. The pediatrician and child advocate T. Berry Brazeleton is one such example. His books have been designed to provide comfort for children and their mothers alike. James Dobson is another specialist in child psychology whose One wing and connection to Eight is quite apparent.

Famous chefs Emeril Lagasse and Julia Child are Twos, and many Twos do, in fact, love to cook.

Not all Twos have a profession that one might think typical. Consider Magic Johnson for instance. Comedian – Wayne Brady.

Fictional examples include Sesame Street’s, Big Bird, Star Trek’s Dr. McCoy and Marie Barone from Everybody Loves Raymond. Marie exemplifies the classic “Jewish mother” syndrome without actually being Jewish.

Possible Mistypes

Twos can mistype as Ones, especially if the wing is strong. Male Twos are somewhat more likely than female Twos to mistype in this way as type Two qualities are typically encouraged more in females than males. Twos are more feeling oriented and emotionally demonstrative than Ones however; Ones are more likely to be motivated by principles of abstract justice and are far more emotionally restrained than Twos.

Twos and Threes can cross-type, especially when the wing is strong. Again, it is more likely for a male Two to mistype in this fashion. Threes, however, are far more oriented to competency issues than are Twos and can much more readily put their emotions on hold, when necessary, in order to get the job done. In addition, Threes tend to be more ambitious and focused on their personal concerns than the is more other oriented Two.

Twos might mistype as Four, especially, if they have artistic inclinations or believe themselves to be depressive. These qualities are not confined to Four however. In general, Fours are much more withdrawn and introspective than is the other focused Two who is frequently unaware of underlying motivations.

Twos and Fives are not likely to mistype. Such a mistype could occur if the Two was “intellectual.” It is not uncommon for Twos to be attracted to teaching and some intelligent Twos are successful academics. Intellectual Twos who mistype as Five however, are likely unaware of how deeply motivated they are by the desire to serve others. Fives pursue knowledge for its own sake, and while they might very much enjoy teaching, they tend to keep some distance between themselves and others. Twos are far more emotionally expressive and drawn to service than is the more reclusive and withdrawn Five.

Twos and Sixes commonly mistype, although it is more common for the Six, especially if female, to mistype as a Two than the reverse. But Sixes suffer from ambivalence, whereas Twos generally know exactly how they feel and what they want. Sixes are far more likely to suffer from self-doubt than is the more self-assured Two.

Twos and Sevens are both generally extroverted and generous and can sometimes crosstype. But Twos are primarily feeling oriented whereas the more mercurial Sevens are oriented to thinking. Twos are far more helpful to others than is the more self oriented Seven; Twos are more likely to follow through on promises of aid whereas Sevens have sometimes “moved on.” Twos are primarily oriented towards their relationships; Sevens towards their activities.

Twos can be quite bossy and could conceivably mistype as Eight. But Twos are far more emotionally vulnerable than is the much tougher Eight and Twos only resort to bossiness under stress and when less direct methods fail to produce the desired results. Twos are far more likely to engage in manipulative behavior than are Eights who are up front about where they stand and what they want.

Twos and Nines might cross-type, although it is far more likely for Nines, especially those who identify with a nurturing role, to mistype as Twos, than for the reverse to occur. But Nines are self-effacing and humble; Twos are proud and have a strong sense of their self worth. Twos under stress become domineering; Nines under stress tend to withdraw. Twos are quite strong willed; Nines struggle with self-assertion.

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Enneatype Nine
Type Description

People of enneatype Nine are essentially looking to maintain a sense of peace, harmony and balance and to avoid conflict and disruption. Nines tend to see the best in people, to be fundamentally optimistic about the future, and, when reasonably healthy, to have a calming and grounding effect on those around them. As a general rule, Nines are fairly “easy going;” they adopt a strategy of “going with the flow.” They intuitively know how to wait for the openings so that they can slip effortlessly into the stream. Nines don’t tend to “sweat the small stuff.” On the whole, they are self-effacing, tolerant, even-tempered and likable individuals. Nines aspire to be supportive, loving and gentle and more than any other enneatype, are likely to embody these valuable qualities. Given such a portrait, it might seem difficult to understand what is so problematic about the type Nine fixation.

The central problem for Nines revolves around the fact that their desire to maintain peace and to avoid conflict is compulsive. As the potential for conflict in life is virtually ubiquitous, the Nine’s inability to confront it forcefully and deal with it effectively, leaves the Nine at a serious disadvantage when it comes to living a full, satisfying and honest life. This deeply rooted tendency to avoid discord plays itself out both internally and in the realm of external action, but generally manifests most centrally in close personal relationships, as intimate relationships more than anything else tend to trigger core defenses.

Many Nines are reasonably “successful” when it comes to their interactions with the world. They are frequently productive and often manage to rise through the ranks on the basis of their likability and reliability without having to engage too forcefully in direct competition. Thus, even in a capitalist economic system, many Nines manage to “succeed” while maintaining an attitude of forbearance and cooperation.

Nines are not necessarily without ambition either, something easily attested to by the sheer number of leaders who have had a type Nine fixation. Some such Nines are able to take on leadership roles because they wear their fixations lightly or because they are buoyed by the ambitions of others to whom they are attached. Perhaps they enjoy the benefits of a fortunate upbringing or perhaps their work on themselves has borne fruit. Sometimes Nines who take on leadership roles seem to be the living embodiment of a solution that has been offered to us from the depths of the collective unconscious. They represent the only possible answer to the exigencies of a time in which the forward path cannot be determined by aggressive self-assertion or even by clarity of intellect. Abraham Lincoln, perhaps the greatest of America’s presidents, could modestly state “I claim not to have controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me.” Healthy Nines are in touch with their depths and are able to maintain their sense of self even in the face of the most forceful opposition or the most appalling conflict. Even as they rule, they serve those they lead.

Less healthy Nines who take on leadership roles however, tend to adopt a strategy of “muffling” from awareness the likely negative consequences of their actions. Often they surround themselves with like-minded others who reinforce their sense of security and who serve as a buffer from all forms of dissent, thus enabling the Nine to remain insulated. Most of the unhealthy Nine’s insulating buffers against reality, however, are actually internal to the psyche. A deeply entranced Nine simply dissociates from whatever is unpleasant or unpalatable, from whatever disturbs his preferred view of the world. Such comfortably numb Nines simply fail to process any information which would be a cause of discomfort or disturbance. About this phenomenon, Naranjo comments, “Not wanting to see, not wanting to be in touch with one’s experience is something akin to cognitive laziness, an eclipse of the experiencer or inner witnessing in the person.” Unhealthy Nines, even as they take on roles of leadership, which would seem to involve self-assertion, are often actually deeply entrenched in a peculiar form of self-abnegation. Hence we encounter the portrait of the “nice guy,” the one who is affable to even the lowliest employee. He has a ready smile and a genial manner. He means no one any harm. But he has just busted the union, slashed the benefits to the school lunch program, or authorized the bombing of Iraq. He heads for his private sanctuary; he mindlessly kisses his wife; he watches the TV. He sleeps well. His conscience is clear. He never assumes any responsibility for the evil he has wrought.

It is an almost universal rule that those leaders who rise to power in spite of, or even by virtue of their unconsciousness, have managed to do so because they have unwittingly embodied and reflected back the irresponsibility and lack of consciousness of those who brought them to power. About such rulers, it would be fair to say that, even as they rule, they follow those they lead.

While the above may seem something of an exaggerated portrait, exaggerations often serve to illustrate key points. Virtually all Nines tend to see what they wish to see, to idealize those whom they love and to ignore whatever would disturb their comfort and peace of mind. These tendencies are not left behind until a Nine is truly healthy. The problem with this approach, of course, is that problems do not cease to exist, simply because the Nine ignores them. They have consequences, often deleterious one, both for the Nine and for those in the Nine’s life.

While some Nines do assume positions of leadership, most Nines are not especially ambitious. They pay their dues to the world but essentially prefer to withdraw from it. They are “home bodies” who are generally devoted to their families, especially to their children. They enjoy their hobbies and appreciate some time to themselves. They generally value simplicity and cultivate the virtue of patience. They are frequently creative in a modest and unassuming way. They adopt an attitude of acceptance towards life. They don’t ask for too much; sometimes they ask for too little. At a very deep level, at a level which seldom breaks through to conscious awareness, most Nines simply feel that they don’t deserve too much. Nines would do well to develop a certain kind of healthy selfishness, as many of their difficulties turn on the fact that they are too selfless.

As mentioned above, the Nine’s core issues tend to manifest most profoundly in the context of intimate relationships. It is here that the Nine’s need to avoid conflict bears its most obvious fruit. Many Nines seem to find it excruciatingly difficult to assert themselves against those they love, even when it comes to trivial matters. They would rather defer to their partner than assert their own preferences. Their preference is not very strong, they reason, whereas the partner is willing to put up a fight. It seems only reasonable to “give in.” In that manner, the Nine gets to avoid the unpleasantness of a conflict and vicariously enjoy the pleasure that the partner feels. Nines tend to merge with their partners and to empathetically take on the partner’s feelings and desires. This naturally makes it difficult for the Nine to cause hurt or frustration to those they love. On any individual occasion, this policy of appeasement might indeed be reasonable, but as a general policy it does not bode well for either the Nine or the partner of the Nine.

The problems generated from this policy follow a few predictable patterns. The Nine’s partner might actually begin to resent the passivity of the Nine. It can be difficult to respect someone who will not defend boundaries, who will not take a well defined position. Other individuals gladly accept the willingness of the Nine to adopt their agenda and become overtly dominating and, in some cases, even abusive. The Nine might even appear to accept such aggressions against them, although resentment invariably builds beneath the calm and placid surface. Nine’s have a difficult time accessing their anger, as anger is the emotion which, in its pure form, signals to us that one of our boundaries has been violated. As Nines tend to have a diffuse sense of their boundaries, they tend also to fall asleep to their anger. The anger exists however and will manifest itself, perhaps in passive-aggressive foot dragging or “checking out” from important engagements. For some Nines, unprocessed anger manifests itself through the development of psychosomatic illnesses. Other Nines experience instances in which pent up anger expresses itself inappropriately and unexpectedly with such a fury that it shocks those on the receiving end. All of these manifestations of anger are naturally a good deal more harmful to the Nine and to the Nine’s relationships than expressing it in a way which is appropriate to the needs of the situation. The ability of a Nine to acknowledge anger and recognize and deal with its causes is a pretty good measure of the Nine’s general level of health.

The really crucial problem for type Nine individuals is that they tend to have an inadequate sense of self. This leads to a tendency on the part of Nines to both downplay their own significance and to borrow a sense of significance from others. There is, in fact, a sort of paradox at the heart of the type Nine fixation. At a largely subconscious level, Nines intuitively grasp that the constructed personality, the personality with which most of us identify, is not the true self; it is not who they are. This is, in fact, a very deep truth; the constructed personality is simply that – a construct through which consciousness operates, much of it built out of defenses and reactions to dangers which are no longer present; it is, in a sense, both a limitation and an obscuration. But the constructed personality also serves a necessary function; it gives the individual a base from which to operate, a sense of self, however ultimately flawed and partial. While the constructed self is not ultimately who we are, it is a necessary step towards the development of true individuality. Gurdjieff has this to say: “For inner growth, for work on oneself, a certain development of personality, as well as a certain strength of essence are required. An insufficiently developed personality means that…a man cannot begin to work on himself, he cannot begin to study himself, he cannot begin to struggle with his mechanical habits.”

Without a well developed personality, without a firm sense of self and adequately defined boundaries, the Nine is left in a state of permeability to forces both outside the ego and to those subterranean forces that reside beneath it. Understanding this essential porousness of the ego of enneatype Nine is absolutely essential to an understanding of all of the basic manifestations of the Nine’s specific problems and challenges. It is the difficulty that type Nine individuals have in addressing this core issue which is called in the traditional enneagram, the vice of indolence. As already indicated, indolence does not here refer to laziness in the traditional sense, although it can manifest in that manner in some individuals, but to the lack of attention to the most important matter at hand, the lack of attention to what constitutes true work, i.e. the development of a solid sense of self from which the Nine can be truly effective in the world.

According to the teachings of the traditional enneagram, the essential virtue of each type appears when the fixation or vice weakens. Oscar Ichazo, the father of the modern Enneagram, indicated that the virtue of type Nine was what he called “Holy Love.” Nines, even at average levels of health, tend to be kind, compassionate and tolerant individuals; their personalities dimly sense and partially embody the nature of their type specific virtue. True love does involve openness to others and permeability of ego boundaries; it does involve acceptance and forgiveness; it does involve a sense of the interconnectedness of all things, just as Nines have known all along. Like all of the fixations, the type Nine fixation can be viewed as a sort of failed short cut; it can be viewed as the personality’s flawed attempt to achieve the true virtue. As type Nine individuals learn to love and honor their own integrity, they are able to extend that love to others in a truly effective and beneficial manner. As they heal themselves, they heal their relationships with others and actively work towards healing the wounds of our ailing planet. Nines are sometimes called “the peacemakers” but they are not really worthy of that name until they leave behind the idea that peace is synonomous with the absence of conflict. Making peace requires the Nine to develop a truly active nature, the nature that Nines are able to manifest when they shed the passivity associated with their fixation.

Nines with a One wing tend to be more cerebral and imaginative than those with an Eight wing. They typically withdraw under stress more than those with an Eight wing. They sometimes find it difficult to ground themselves. They tend to lose focus and can get lost in worlds of their imagination. Nines with an Eight wing are overall more grounded and assertive. They tend also to be more sociable than those with a One wing. Nines with a One wing are more theoretical; those with an Eight wing more practical.

Type Exemplars

Presidents Abraham Lincoln, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, Dwight D. Eisenhower and G.W.Bush are all examples of enneatype Nine. (G.W.Bush is a perfect example of the principle of disintegration; Nine goes to Six under stress. But, G.W.Bush is not an over thinker who is fixated in the mental center; hence not a Six. His father is the Six.)

Famous actors Uma Thurman, Liv Tyler, Jennifer Anniston, Sophia Loren, Jimmy Stewart, Ingrid Bergman, Kevin Costner, David Carradine, Keanu Reeves and Ray Romano.

Nines often have an intuitive grasp of the workings of the subconscious mind. Consider Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell in this regard. In an extended sense, we can even see Walt Disney, the fantasist, in this light.

Nines tend to have an innate desire to attain a sense of unity with nature, and many famous naturalists have been Nines. John Muir, the founder of the Sierra Club, and Ansel Adams, photographer for the Sierra Club for many years were both Nines. Also, essayist of nature Joseph Wood Krutch, evolutionary theorist Stephen J. Gould, American transcendentalist philospoher Ralph Waldo Emerson and more recently, naturalist Mark Bittner who befriended the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill.

Musicians include Paula Abdul, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Dave Mathews, Josh Rouse, Willie Nelson and Janet Jackson.

Authors include J.K.Rowling and Laura Ingalls Wilder. Also, cartoonist Charles Schulz. Painters include Marc Chagall and Henri Matisse.

A good case could be made for typing Jesus’ mother Mary as a Type Nine. She had that quality of acceptance.

Lao Tzu, or whoever was the guiding spirit behind the mystical/philosophical Tao Te Ching also expresses the Nine’s sensitivity to nature and desire for harmony and balance:

If you open yourself to the Tao,
you are one with the Tao
and you can embody it completely.
If you open yourself to insight,
you are one with insight
and you can use it completely.
If you open yourself to loss,
you are one with loss
and you can accept it completely.

Open yourself to the Tao,
then trust your natural responses;
and everything will fall into place.

Fictional examples include most of the hobbits in Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings, as well as the author of that book and its sequels, and the director of the films – Peter Jackson. Also, J.K.Rowling’s famous hero, Harry Potter is a Nine. Other fictional examples include Star War’sLuke Skywalker, as well as George Lucas, the director of Star Wars. Finally, “Santa Claus” is a Nine, not a Two, despite his penchant for giving. (Mrs. Claus is likely the Two.)

Possible Mistypes

Nines and Ones can be mistaken for each other if the wing is especially strong or the individual observed under a narrow set of circumstances. Nines, in particular, can have an opinionated streak and strong moral convictions which they might express freely; in this way they might appear somewhat One-like. (The Nine’s conflict avoidance is often enough not global, so that there are some Nines who will forcefully argue for e.g. their political positions while nevertheless deferring to their spouses on all matters of any significance.) But this potential similarity notwithstanding, Nines are far less likely to try to control others or the environment and are generally much more capable of seeing the elements of truth in opposing points of view, something which is often a weak spot for Ones. On a personal level, Nines often struggle with self-assertion, whereas Ones find it comes more or less naturally. Nines generally find ways to relax when feeling tense; Ones have generally tense personalities and experience real difficulties when it comes to relaxation.

Nines and Twos can easily mistype. It is especially the case that female Nines who are identified with a nurturing role might mistake themselves for Twos. Both types tend to be generous and oriented towards feelings and relationships. Nines, however, are truly humble and generally self-effacing, whereas Twos tend to have a high opinion of themselves and tend to want to receive recognition for their good deeds. Twos are also far more aggressive when pushed than are Nines who characteristically withdraw under stress.

Nines and Threes can mistype if the Nine is especially successful or the Three especially depressed. Nines can identify with a social role, much as Threes can, and can be charismatic like many Threes. But the overall pattern of their lives ought to indicate the true type. Even very successful Nines tend to adopt an attitude of easy-going, unpretentiousness; they tend to be more cooperative than overtly competitive, unlike Threes. And even workaholic Nines seem to know how to relax, something which generally does not come easily to the more driven Threes. Finally, while Threes can lose their motivation when depressed, their essential goal oriented nature is likely to assert itself fairly quickly.

Nines and Fours can both be sensitive, creative, withdrawn and introverted and for these reasons can cross-type, although it is generally the Nine who mistypes as a Four or who is mistyped as a Four by others on the basis of these similarities. Nines, in particular, sometimes recognize that they are far less happy than they let on, and many Nines feel inadequate when depressed; they therefore think they must be Fours. The internal landscape of Fours is much darker than that of Nines however, who tend to see the best in others and who characteristically detach from strong emotions, especially strong unpleasant emotions. Nines are also not in search of an authentic self or the proper presentation of that self; they are generally somewhat oblivious to these concerns. Finally, Nines tend to relate well to a greater variety of people than do Fours, who often feel like misfits.

Nines and Fives are both withdrawn types and many Nines are systematic thinkers and intellectuals, therefore there are some commonalities which might generate a mistype. It is generally Nines who mistake themselves or are mistaken by others as Fives; Fives almost never mistype as Nines. One of the principle differences lies in their approach to thought. Nines tend to look for thought systems which offer some sense of harmony; Fives are attracted to what disturbs them and often embrace or struggle against nihilism. Nines relate well to a wide variety of people; Fives to only a few.

Nines and Sixes can easily mistype or be mistyped by others, although Nines more commonly mistype or are mistyped as Sixes than the reverse. This is exacerbated by the fact that both Sixes and Nines tend to be blinded to the nature of their respective fixations. In addition, many Sixes do not appear to be visibly anxious and some Nines do. Overall, however, Nines lack the nervous mental energy of type Six. Nines moreover tend to be trusting and optimistic about the future; they tend to see the best in others. This is almost never the case with Sixes who have a suspicious streak, generally believe that there is something possibly threatening just below the surface and often have a very cautious view about the future outcome of present events.

Nines and Sevens are both optimistic, and Sevens can appear to be easy going and self-effacing, so the two might be confused, although Nines seldom mistype as Sevens and it is not common for Sevens to mistype as Nines. Sevens tend to be self-centered, whereas Nines tend to yield too much to the preferences of others. Nines tend to go with the flow; Sevens tend to push their agenda. Sevens tend towards hyperactivity; Nines tend to be “laid back.”

A mistype between Nines and Eights might be generated if the wing is especially strong, but as a general rule, the two should be distinguishable in terms of the manner in which they assert themselves. Assertion comes naturally to Eights; not so for Nines. Nines tend to be conflict avoidant; Eights sometimes invite conflict in order to rev up their experience or to “clear the air.” Nines tend to withdraw under stress; Eights to assert themselves.

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