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A young girl who does not like to go to school because of bad weather.
@soundofconfusion @Reyne She is not even 18 years old. You can type her if you want. I am out of here.
https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AGF-l7-Zcu0V...ffffff-rj-k-no
you can type people when they are 3 years old. I think there's enough information to type her.
https://daserste.ndr.de/annewill/vid...unberg100.html
an english interview with her. "I'm a realist, I see facts"
she doesn't want to go to school because climate change is threatening our very existence, and it doesn't seem like we are even remotely capable of preventing it. I find Greta extremly inspiring, and it's sad that this young and intelligent girl is one of the few ray of hopes for this planet.
Yes, it is possible to type a 3 years old, but it is better not to do such thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
Greta is a puppet in a political show.
https://www.welt.de/img/wirtschaft/m...-Juncker-2.jpg
this is not an international socionics institute. I don't see a problem talking about the type of a public figure on an obscure website.
EIE?
why Fe base? she doesn't display any emotions (Fe as vulnerable function). she judges Data and facts and makes predictions based on that knowledge for the future (Ni + Te).Quote:
Originally Posted by para
She doesn't show any emotions
because :Fe: is her vulnerable function
or because she has Aspergers?
Tricky question.
Intuitive type, anyway.
All politics are about using others and being used.Quote:
Originally Posted by khcs
Ideally politics should be a cooperation by consensus and not game of thrones.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3f...a-thunberg.jpg
Wonder what the future holds for this young Swedish lady. Climate change will not be the biggest issue.
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/...701/215612.jpg
Intuitive impression from her words and energy, sorry. :) I think Ni ego as well, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
Good grief I wanted to be the one to start the nihilism here about politics.
ILI, probably.
The puppeteering that happens is clear however it raises something important: why person does this and are they blind to it and is the attention and treatment enough to make them believe in it even harder or does the person see an opportunity here [she gets the fame and as a result it takes you a long way]? Well, the analogy here is religion. It is a mass thing and only the person itself can answer it. When the perspective starts to shift and can who can break off when benefits are too good or the risk seems too great?
This is not in anyway my take on climate change.
Fearful people are everywhere. This is not a lone voice crying in the wilderness kind of thing. I am reminded of a quote, "what you resist not only persists, but will grow in size.” by Jung.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
One of the deeper issues (in the world right now) is fear which is what a good psychologist could probably help those who are fearful of the unfamiliar and experiencing anxiety in relation to it with. It goes beyond anything this forum is capable of dealing with. If they would like to express their fears more in depth they are free to post about them in other areas of the forum where people who are interested in debating or commiserating with them will surely show up.
Most typing threads go off topic here but if no one responds then it doesn't get out of control. Some off topic stuff does relate to the typing of the person in question. I am not familiar with the subject of this thread. If you feel people are posting off topic you can direct them to post in another thread that deals with the topic, create their own, or ignore them.
EIE.
She seems to have no issue with influencing others or applying emotional pressure in order to attain a goal, and tries to unite people around this goal. This is the purpose Hamlets have in society, for better or worse.
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Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJsdgTPJpU
I'll check out the interview later, as I am interested in what she has to say as she's far from stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
Still, I think she is not very wise, like many radicals who push for immediate action without thinking of the consequences. All she sees is the climate, and she seems to reject certain facts (despite what she claims) for example, how dependent our civilization is on fossil fuels (for better or worse) and that cutting our carbon emissions in half in ten years (which to her is not radical enough) would be a catastrophe that will lead to economic recessions, which will inevitably lead to the rise of the far right and ethno-nationalism all across the world. A small recession like 2008 is responsible for the rise of populism everywhere, albeit indirectly, from Trump to Brexit to Bolsonaro, and a carbon tax in France lead to political instability in France, just imagine how much of a catastrophe cutting carbon emissions by that much would be, it would rive up costs of production and living which would have a destabilizing effect. I'm not saying climate change is not an important issue, don't read me wrong here, it is but there is no "easy" solution here. It seems an ILI would be aware of this, ILIs are more likely to be labelled as 'apathetic' when it comes to politics especially in times like these because of their fear of radical solutions, which Greta is not.
don't you think that her emotions at the speech are more the result of Fi convictions? ILI have Fi as activating function. of course, she's a very idealistic person, but keep in mind that she's only 16 years old. I disagree that ILI are apathetic, they hold strong values and beliefs. looking at the data, it's sadly necessary that radical solutions need to be implemented in the near future, and I think she's very aware of it. the problem with climate change is that solutions should've been implemented decades ago, and now we are in a situation where it's very obvious that we can barely do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ave
"I'll check out the interview later, as I am interested in what she has to say as she's far from stupid."
I personally think that she's highly gifted.
I want to use this as an opportunity to say I don't think Fe polr necessarily means not expressing emotions. ILIs however, need to feel they trust the people around them in order to express their feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
I agree with that about ILIs, however ILIs are often not the ones to stand up in front of the world in the name of a cause, either. EIEs are more likely to do this. IME, an ILI is likely to hold their opinions and emotions in much of the time (unless they are in a more intimate setting), they are not very likely to be the voice of a cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
Yes, but I think many people accept this. But why her in to stand in front of the world and say it? This is not just stating known facts, there is something more, something I associate with EIEs and their tendency to rally people to towards a course of action. I don't think EIEs are unaware of facts, some of them are very smart and gifted beyond their peers, I have seen it myself. I'm just saying I don't think ILI would find themsleves her role, even ILIs who would agree with her proposed course of action. Personally I'm skeptical of it (or at least, that it is the best course of action) , though I do agree that the situation does not look good no matter what we do. But this is a topic for another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
I wouldn't doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
@soundofconfusion
I feel like clarifying because I feel my last response does not express my views in toto.
My thoughts can be summarized in two points.
1. She says in the interview you posted (which I am about halfway through) that she does not have doubts. She "knows what needs to be done". This does not seem consistent with ILI who are often internally doubting their own conclusions, even if they externally assert them sometimes.
2. Like I said above, I don't think ILI would find themselves in this position. I get she had no intent to start a movement, she just wanted to get people talking about this issue, but this to me shows there is a desire to influence people (which she says wants to do) despite not wanting to start any kind of organized movement.
It is not unreasonable to think ILI however, as she describes herself as disliking "small talk", "shy", and says she "doesn't say much". This might point to introversion at least. I still think EIE is the best fit, she's just a heavy Ni subtype which accentuates shyness and "introversion" to an extent. Saying she is a realist and looks at facts seems pretty gamma, I will concede that.
She says she has autism.
I think its hilarous how she's such a big deal abroad, when people don't realize the back story. Her mom released a book on the environment and pimped her out with the help of her friend who is this big shot pr-dude. Basically using her autistic child to profit on the environmental hype.
...And? Besides your phrasing of it as "pimping", are either of them wrong? The more attention drawn to a problem like this, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remiel
Her parents are quite pathetic. I guess it is a liberal way dealing with a problem, playing the victim card and what a wombo, combo an autistic child.
I support her to some extent, but this whole thing is truly sad story
Even if the problem had a basis in science, even then it would still be pimping. She's a child and as advertised, with a disability and her mother decided to use this in a pr campaign. What part of that do you not consider pimping?Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
edit: re-read your post and I got your point. You consider pimping justified as long as you are on the right side.
She is my identical. I was very much like that as a kid. I was not talking all the time about the environment. She is an introvert, logical, intuitive, so that means she is either LII/ILI.
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Originally Posted by Saberstorm
No, she's a child. You are corrupting everything about psychometrics with a statement like that.
why is none talking about how billie eilish, bobby brown, justin bieber, britney spears aguilera timberlake rihanna miley cyrus dakota fanning holsens harry potters etc have been pimped out just to sell some pop songs, pop movies, pop shit?
why is everyone complaining when legit causes are brought up? i guess truth hurts...
greta <3
It's hardly "pimping."Quote:
Originally Posted by Remiel
That's called backpeddling.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
No one? Underage popstars are constantly criticized for being "pimped." Check out the shit Bieber's mother had to endure - not saying she does or doesn't deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
Greta is a popstar alright: starring in the greatest circus of all.
she just seems to be saying what everyone has been saying all these years
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I didn't however finish the video, so maybe she got to that later. Good at Fe, can really pull on the heart-strings, and the dramatic pauses, she knows how to use Fe very well.
Maybe that is Fe in a raw sense, but it makes Fe look really shitty if that's the case lol. The climate change activists personally lose me and alienate me when they say things like that. ie never forgive, how dare you, my future is at stake.' If you want to get somebody to care about something we should ideally all care about since we all must live on the planet - I don't see the point in emotionally attacking people or saying emotionally edgy things just so gullible people will give you an applause. I am much more persuaded by people who can be logically cool or if they use their emotions they do it inspire others rather than tear others down but that's just me I guess. I think that with power hungry 'world leader' people you might do have to say things like that to get them to listen because they are hard wired to only pay attention to 'power' anyway. What makes her think world leaders will even fix things tho. I don't see much of anything being fixed by them, like at all- why would climate be any different.
I was just at Holly Marie Combs twitter page where she is talking about similar issues, and instead of making me care for about the environment I just think 'god what an obnoxious spoiled bitch.' Perhaps that is too unfair on my part but the way she goes about it doesn't really make me interested in it or want to save the world or anything. It just feels like some fake society thing she's doing to improve her own narcissistic career....and to get other equally duplicitous people to agree with her for some other image enhancing thing.
it's clear that she focuses a lot on data and science, more than the average person. how are people saying that she's good at using Fe when she has the same stoic facial expression >90 of the time. it's really weird to me when people see a strong use of Fe when I see her as a type with Fe as vulnerable function, but different opinions I guess.
IEE rarely take sides, though.
"IEEs are naturally sensitive to mood, atmosphere, and feelings. They rarely say or do anything that would worsen people's feelings, preferring instead to distance themselves from people and social situations that produce negative feelings. IEEs are naturally skilled at regulating the degree of emotional intimacy between people, which can mean being businesslike (yet polite) as well as warm and inviting."
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p..._IEE_composite
I don't see that in Greta at all.
yeah, what about the other 13 people I've mentioned? the last thread about eilish i've seen here has never mentioned that she was being pimped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samson
she will probably type herself soon
I disagree. she relies heavily on logic, data, facts. calls herself a realist. outside of her speech, she rarely shows emotions and evaluates things from a pragmatic standpoint. she is clearly a logical type in my opinion with strong Fi values.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
Using children as a tool to promote political stances is a new phenomenon, people are not as used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
It seems irrational to judge her entire personality from a very limited observation of her.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
For all we know, we don't know what her actual logical ability is like. She may use logic in other situations that we don't know of. Or she may use or develop logical abilities later.
It doesn't matter though, because we are capable of being both logical and emotional at the same time. It's not a matter of being either logical or emotional. It's just a matter of how we want to use either logic or emotions, depending on situations or choices that we make.
why is she being used, by whom? I recall she decided by herself to stop attending school, appear infront of the parliament, attend the protests, go vegan, convert her parents to her views, travel the world... it's true that nothing she's saying is new, yet since she's around green politics has never seen this exploit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armalite
she's a little weirdo and people are more used to see hyper-sexualized kids with no contents than a weirdo with strong opinions... what a sad world.
As for her type, she rings me as some type of Gamma more than anything but I'm not really sure.
Not really. Nothing new here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armalite
She is the same type as Jane Goodall. If not, then her logics might be LSE. Def in that ball park.
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/wp-c...ed-690x695.png
Yeah, cuz any 16 year old could do that all on their own, everyone knows thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmokkN5cRMIQuote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SukO28tQywI
Btw I don't think she's a weirdo, just the whole way it's presented seems a bit off to me
@Aylen
Victor Gukenko claims that high accentuation of Ni leads to autistic behaviour (which would fit to Greta's ILI type). many INxx types get diagnosed with Autism/Asperger.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ons-by-DarkAngelFireWolf69
hm? I'm not getting it. what couldn't she do on her own? I've done most of those things myself at her age, and of course, my parents would help and support me where they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armalite
pierre casiraghi didn't pop up to accompany me around the world with his supersonic yacht, I'm not sure I'd have refused his offer though... lol
there's one thing that goes into Greta's favor, her autism. one feature of autism is the obsession over some things, why many autistics have OCD and other side effects. I think obsession is the word here. 'cause obviously this girl didn't do it all alone, but behind her there's her obsession over something very important, that is shaking the world.
other people are obsesses about music and their own image, and they're not even autistic, they are obviously pimped, they have all the respect they deserve.
The issue I see here is this kid is running on pure fear. Her emotional pleas even got under my skin, for different reasons. I am also concerned about climate change for my own reasons. Her pleas broke my heart. Yes, I turned it off. There was real pain and anxiety in her voice which is sad. It should be adults dealing with this stuff and allowing kids to be kids. If it was my kid I would make sure they got the help they needed to live a more balanced life while pursuing whatever goals they have. I would not let them quit school so young. Kids need some boundaries. It is fine she is trying to speak on climate change but like I said in my other post, I think there is much more going on here than what we see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
The irony is that she has Asperger's, therefore she must not be very aware of what kind of emotional impacts that she has on others, or has much emotional/social awareness:
I have Aspergers and that means I’m sometimes a bit different from the norm. And - given the right circumstances- being different is a superpower.#aspiepower
https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/st...16177927991296
But if you say that's "Fe!" (or Fi), then it must automatically become emotional manipulation or attempts at using guilt-trips. The fact is that we simply have no idea how her mind actually works, unless we have theories of her mind, such as Autism/Aspergers.
Sure, and Jung said that he thought introverted intuitives were schizophrenics until he realized they were just intuitive. I get it on a personal level. Ni leads are not intrinsically neurologically disabled so DarkAngelFireWolf69 should probably rethink that.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
One other thing I learned from visiting autism forums is there are a lot of kids who are self diagnosing these days because it is also kind of trendy to be "autistic". I have a friend whose son had to wear a helmet and will never be able to care for himself. She will have to plan for his future even after her death, if he outlives her. If Greta is diagnosed with autism then that is different than Ni. If she is not diagnosed then there is another issue.
I have flu-like behavior because I like lying under blankets and having water delivered to me.
Everything she says is right. But just because you are right doesn't mean you are right. You know? The energy economy isn't going anywhere and she preaches austerity, when you get right down to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armalite
Pretty much she, and many others like her, believe with utmost conviction that we should stop using fossil fuels altogether, right now. This is simply impossible. Civilization would collapse. There is no other energy source like fossil fuels that is logistically feasible.
And there never will be. So we will use it all up no matter what Governments enforce.
imo this is all a character study in youthful idealism. I think everyone goes though an age and stage where the greater world becomes important and your ideals are born at about 16 years old.
The trick is to live long enough to watch your idealism die. No country for old men.
hmm maybe we just have different perspectives then. in his article about DCNH subtypes, DarkAngelFireWolf69 also mentions that a high focus on Ni leads to autistic behaviour, which is common among harmonising subtypes (ignoring reality in favor of mental imaginary). I personally don't have much experience with autistic people (I thought however that I had asperger when was younger), but I've noticed in online forums that many INxx got diagnosed with autism/aspergers, so I think DarkAngelFireWolf69 makes a valid observation here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Dcnh (at the bottom of the article)
All displayed passion is Fe for this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singu
I don't think so myself.
well I don't know of the dark plots behind her image. I think her voice has all the right reasons to be heard, as she has all the right reasons to be scared, as other kids who became heroines for social causes (Malala, Tamimi, Khatun and many others) felt the right to speak, to voice their fears, yes, but with the will to change the future, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
I wouldn't make it too big a deal about her quitting school, I agree it's not the best, but she has an history of bullying at school, which I know you don't really care about unless it addresses sexual identity causes that are dear to you, but they're definitely harming for a kid. better home schooling, which I'm pretty sure she's attending, than dealing with harassment.
we all have our burden of causes dear to us, we just can't condemn some girl for having a higher sensitivity to some cause than us...
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Originally Posted by Aylen
I think that it is a kid is what makes this quite poignant. That she is triggering people based on her age is exactly what the movement needed and this was only going to come from a Child character.
Not some sterile scientist, or Government official, but a youth young child on the verge of womanhood, begs for her future.
That is kind of the whole point of Greta. An articulate young girl pleads with Humanity. Its poetry, or puppetry. Same difference really.
Everything is both authentic and window dressing at the same time.
In terms of typology her aspergerness seems to be more Fe (spoiling moods what ILI's might do) than Fi (which I think borders eccentricity as in nonconformism/schizotypy aka not sharing common triggers).
Quite weird family.
I have read that article and seen it quoted elsewhere many times. I have also seen self typed Ni types call themselves autistic when they clearly aren't. I don't know for sure if that is due to them reading that article. I suspect it is for some. I think him saying that Ni leads to autistic behavior shows a lack of understanding of Ni and autism on his part.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
Socionic is a personality theory. I don't think DarkAngelFireWolf69 does anyone any favors by saying that. That is my perspective.
I think it is handy waste basket diagnosis: ah dyslexia + clumsy huge change of being social reject. Let's call it autism. After reading about it it seem like the diagnosis has no core only traits and since everyone under autism is different and it is a spectrum it effectively allows f*ck ton of loose diagnosis and therefore it seems like bunch of crap. I call that non scientific and lazy thinking. Original articles seem much more legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Identical Types - VI für Anfangers - VI для начинающих
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3f...a-Thunberg.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rmitage%29.jpg
Disregarding what is going on behind the scenes, I was really touched by her last speech.
Climate does not exit. It's a haux. Fuck this little bitch.
It's getting on my nerves. Sorry.
Climate scientists: climate change is real, we are going to be fucked, please listen to us, there is consensus we mean really (https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/20...8002C/abstract or here https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...70467616634958), here you can see our data, this is caused by humans entirely and we have these observations and proofs
Some random above: see the post above, also yt films with appealing to authority
(Yep, he is a Nobel prize winner, and we have Nobelists - scientists! - who believe in homeopathy, lizard-people and that AIDS is fake. Really. He is 90 nowadays and his area of research was superconductors, not climate; in the video he admits himself he spend very little time on research in this subject and it shows, whoever was/is prepping this denial wave up and using this old man should feel ashamed - see https://www.desmogblog.com/ivar-giaever)
fuck this shit. climate, veganism, leftism, sjws, african kids < could not care less
It seems you understand insults the best, looking by their extensive usage; so I will be, let's say that, inclusive.
To tell you plenty: I don't know about others and I won't speak for them, but no. I do care more about climate, animals, and social justice than your whiny, powerless butt. You can't get your information right, you can't research right, you can't take care of wiping you ass right (and by that I mean you don't care about your own mess, which can be seen in your disregard to the environment). You only have feels, which - unfortunately for you - are not reals in this case (oh, the irony!); what is real here is the damage that is being done, systematically, day by day. Irreversibly polluting our future and destroying these tiny, fragile bits of stability we carefully constructed during the 20th century; wrecking pure havoc.
I can build a boat and sail on, and frankly - I can afford not to care at least partially, but you? Twink twice about that. Think about what you think and what you wish for. Do you ever reflect on your deeds?
So, I will be back off my insult jam when you will link real science. Or just contribute something worthwhile to this thread. Which you won't.
(To stay on topic, I think Greta gives great ESI vibes.)
Just read the first case study. I think Donald was (is?) ILI although quite peculiar case at that. http://simonsfoundation.s3.amazonaws...ve-contact.pdf
I doubt a grown man who refers to a 16-year-old girl as a "little bitch" is sorry about anything, somehow. It's good that you've shown us what sort of person you are though. Add another to my ignore list.Quote:
Originally Posted by BimBaden
I couldn't care less about climate change or this girl. There is nothing inspiring about someone who has agency to make change and invent new things but chose to be a cheerleader.
This has always been about overpopulation and consumption. We can't afford to live on this earth forever. Our resources are limited. There are consequences to growth in population and consumption and it cannot be sustained.
The truth is that most people are not economical in their consumption as well. The current trade wars are the biggest example of inefficiency fuelled by tribalism and greed. But it's probably better than the alternatives. The real solutions have always been: war, famine, disease, accidents and stopping immigration. Or you could actually campaign for abstention, contraception/abortion, small families, etc. and invest in technology.
Humanity suffered to reach this point of history and somehow people think we are different and we won't have to make any significant sacrifices.. and I'm not talking about going vegan and living in the woods.
You made some valid points but not sure where you get that I only care about sexual identity causes since I said nothing like that and it is far from true. You missed my point. I didn't condemn her and I didn't say she didn't have the right to speak either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
Home school is a valid option for continuing her education. There are two kids (my brother's gf's) who live in my home and have always been home schooled even before they moved here. I am sure they will be home schooled after they move out too.
Edit: Maybe it was before your time on the forum but the cause I have mentioned most in my posts was homelessness and poverty. I helped the homeless in the areas I lived in the best ways I could.
Edt2: From talking to the homeless in various towns and cities I lived in I discovered mental health issues were at the root of most of their problems when it comes to individuals, not families. You can also add mental health issues to my list of causes. I don't really consider these causes. It's just being a decent human being to those society generally ignores as they walk past them texting on their $$$ phones. ;)
I watched a few moments of her presentation and there's just way too much... overwrought emotional appeal.
But the actual content of what she's saying sounded delta > beta. I actually like her, it's just that what she says sounds vague in the way IEEs can sound (from my biased, Ti-seeking POV). It's a lot of abstract emotional principles, which I would have trouble translating into specific actions to take b/c of my nonexistent Te.
Her speech feels weightless to me although I am worried about climate change myself.
The mainstream media , the left... I feel more imprisoned by them than I do a homophobic redneck with a shotgun outside of his trailer park waiting to shoot some effeminate boys just for the lolz. Something is really off about that.
She's not autistic; she's just Russian. They always look mad and most of the time they are mad! I think they have a special "mad Russian" gene. You gotta ask yourself, not what type gets mad like her, but what type of mad Russian is it? :lol:
I haven't been paying much attn to this thread or the girl, so I apologize if I've missed something, but is she reading a script or saying what she's been instructed to say? Seems relevant to typing.
Regarding Greta's transportation: She would have been called a hypocrite if she'd taken a plane, even if it was an empty seat on a plane already making a flight. Voting with our money is a common way of showing what we support...and what we don't. Paying for the seat, would mean supporting flying. Accepting a free seat would have meant advertising for flying.
...As is, she took a solar powered zero carbon emission yacht. Presumably to show that zero carbon transportation across the world is a legitimate possibility. As for the train use, high speed rails are more energy efficient than planes. It might be slower, and more personally expensive than a plane, but it trades the convenience of fast and cheap for the convenience of using that time in productive as well as relaxive ways.
Regarding Greta taking time off from school: Just because she's not doing formal schooling atm, doesn't mean she's not being educated nor seeking further education. There's such a thing as homeschooling, unschooling, etc. If anything, this trip and process she's going through would be an excellent example of unschooling. Among other things, I'm sure she's learning about politics, public speaking, climate science, alternative transportation, and sociology. I expect that she's getting a far more in depth educational experience about these things than most college students graduate with.
Regarding climate change related policies (personal changes and political changes) being too inconvenient and expensive to put into practice: the fact is that we're facing having to make drastic changes, whether now or later. If we start making changes now, we can improve our technology, our knowledge, etc to prepare ourselves to better survive the coming changes. If we wait until the hell is upon us, the changes we'll face will be harder to survive (short term), harder to manipulate, and harder to recover from (long term survival). Basically, either way, we're facing a future different from our present way of doing things. How different depends on how soon (less different) or how late (significantly more different) we implement changes in how we do things.
Regarding her pleas and guilt-tripping: She's talking to world leaders. I'm guessing this batch is primarily made up of older people who have lived their lives already or have established themselves in a soon-to-be outdated economic/socio-political model. She's talking to policy makers who believe that a finite world with finite resources can provide infinite growth for their wallets. She's talking to the people who don't want to make policy changes, because it would inconvenience themselves or their supporters. She's talking to the people that think that sticking their heads in a hole will make climate change go away or pass over them. The problem is, their decisions ARE affecting the future...HER future, the future of humanity, not just humanity but of Earth. So yes, how dare those in positions of leadership and responsibility be so damned nonchalant about this crisis.
Regarding typing Greta Thunberg: A public speech about a topic is different than the actual processing of the information. She had prepared speech points, assistance in editing and refining the speech points, tips on pacing, tone, etc, as well as time to practice. So typing her based on her climate change speeches is rather pointless, as it's not HER your typing, but the result of all that combination. It would be better to find spontaneous videos of her interacting on topics/activities other than climate change, as those would be closer to the real her.
in the end she wins. people are actually taking it seriously, analyzing everything and giving it attention/energy
suckasssss lol
If things actually change, for the better, based on her speeches and actions wouldn't everybody win?Quote:
Originally Posted by peteronfireee
The boat wasn't made just for this trip, it already existed. However, it may have been specially outfitted for the trip. But again, that serves a purpose of demonstrating that alternative transportation options exist. Outfitting and using a boat to be zero carbon emissions isn't any more of a stunt than putting solar panels on one's home and using the resulting solar power.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
As for really avoiding waste and arranging not to be somewhere in person, Greta's previously declined an award because accepting it would have required finalists to fly to the ceremony and meeting. So NOT flying was more important to her than the perception and appearance of receiving an award.
Sitting at home, making video calls doesn't do much to demonstrate one's passion for a cause. So in that sense, yeah we can call it a stunt. But then we'd pretty much have to call ANY explicit activist action 'a stunt'. Kneeling during the national anthem to bring awareness to black lives being shot? a stunt. Marching from Selma to Montgomery? a stunt. Pride Parade? just stunts. Impassioned pleas during video taped interviews? stunts.
And we know, psychologically speaking, that there is so much more meaning when a person is physically present vs written argument, still-shots, or even video. There is more meaning found in the communications from the physical presence of the communicator. And when we consider something so important, especially something that affects our very life, we're more likely to try to achieve the change in person. For example, if a judge and jury who were discussing matters and making decisions that would affect the lives of your children, would you prefer to make calls and go to the court house yourself to be part of that discussion? Or would you simply settle for a letter...or for having your face on a laptop screen? The more important something is to us, the more likely we'll want to by physically present for it.
And yes, it IS all about politics...because it's all about policies. The UN meeting effects policy decisions. Being present vs writing a letter effects policy decisions. Greta's whole purpose of the trip was to try to influence policies regarding Climate Change perceptions and responses. The March from Selma to Montgomery was to bring attention, awareness, and influence to the policies of its time. Pride Parades do that. Kneeling during the national anthem attempts to do that. As do any impassioned pleas to policy makers.
And we know her "stunt" is working...because her "stunt" brought awareness to her cause, and now people are talking a little more about it. Not just about her, but about Climate Change and what needs to be done.
If Americans want to help the environment you know what you have to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4hXzw2OnnE
I wonder if anyone on this forum who supports Greta now also voted or showed support for Trump. :thinking:
a huge problem that we have is that most world leaders are ST types with low intuition, so they rarely think about the future consequences of their actions, or don't concern themselves with threats that are far away into the future (although they aren't far away, since many people are already affected by climate change). another pecularity of trump is that he's an aristrocratic type, so he won't listen to the words of a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
NonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
I type Trump SEE. If anyone wants to understand why they will have to wade through the sea of posts in the Trump thread. STs are not the only low intuition types according to socionics. Trump is an emotional diva prone to temper tantrums. If he were a woman I doubt as many people would think to type him with logic in his ego. Maybe we will find something to agree on someday. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
Not to mention there are plenty of STs who are concerned with climate change.
The "Climate" has been changed in Sweden drastically.
https://www.worldstopmost.com/wp-con...-Rate-2017.jpg
https://redice.tv/a/i/c/16/08/sweden-torched-cars4.jpg
Eh, I guess. It’s a complicated issue. And there’s nothing new being brought up, it’s just bringing back the negativity and division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
We need unity.
But in the end,
Rationalization aside, we are a divided country and the dominant, more popular thought will win out.
Imagine taking a child's political views seriously. Twitter did this to us, where we think everyone's opinion is equal.
Take from that what you will, people with no education challenging scientific consensus or a child lecturing world leaders.
She's just a mascot for a political movement, its all theatre.
Her type seems ESI. Lots of ethical judgment going on yet very little expression.
From https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg
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I want people to unite behind the science... And that is what we have to realize, that that is what we have to do right now.. I’m not the one who’s saying these things. I’m not the one who we should be listening to. And I say that all the time. I say we need to listen to the scientists.
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That happens all the time. That’s basically all I hear. The most common criticism I get is that I’m being manipulated and you shouldn’t use children in political ways, because that is abuse, and I can’t think for myself and so on. And I think that is so annoying! I’m also allowed to have a say – why shouldn’t I be able to form my own opinion and try to change people’s minds?
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Thurnberg has an uncanny ability to concentrate... “I can do the same thing for hours,” she said....She began researching climate change and has stayed on the topic for six years. She has stopped eating meat and buying anything that is not absolutely necessary. In 2015, she stopped flying on airplanes, and a year later, her mother followed suit, giving up an international performing career. The family has installed solar batteries and has started growing their own vegetables on an allotment outside the city. To meet me in central Stockholm, Thunberg and her father rode their bikes for about half an hour; the family has an electric car that they use only when necessary.
Based on this site and the wikipedia page on her, I'd say she might be Te valuing, strong N, and so/sp (or sp/so).
I agree with your argument about politicians or leaders having low intution is not a good thing... because for making important decisions that involces a lot of people you have to look at the big picture in a competent way.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
But I doubt that the most world leaders are ST, there are also SF leaders.
What I can tell about Greta Thunberg is that she's an intuitive type and she's highly intelligent.
She achieved best grades in different subjects in school, despite she had plenty of absent days in school.
She learns subject material in school very quickly.
Looks like the annual car barbecue held in Berlin, Germany at 1st May. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by khcs
Or the very inexpensive way to scrap your old car, just park it in Berlin the evening before that day. :lol:
Yeah, I'm quite sarcastic now. :rolleyes:
To All Europeans Who Hate Muslim Refugees: YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER WILL BE FUCKING ONE IF WE DO NOTHING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE!
what m8Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
I was making a remark about your mod attitude of the last times: letting streams of shit go and only taking action for sexual identity silly remarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
I know you're better than that. but it makes me wonder... (I've addressed other mods too, so I guess I'm being fair saying this.)
@xerxe, that’s not really a convincing argument. Europe has enough weapons to kill everyone heading North.Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
A better argument is that delaying climate change solutions will cost an exponentially greater amount of money, and if it isn’t dealt with soon, your granddaughter will be living in a garbage bag and eating her dog.
That doesn't carry the same punch, Adam, because conservatives believe they can isolate themselves from social collapse by retreating to fortified estates or gated communities. For some reason, they don't feel the same way about an influx of dirty black and brown people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
So it was just my turn to hear your dissatisfaction with forum modding. heh You didn't mind my modding too much when I helped you out by moving threads, deleting posts and issuing a warning. Let's keep mod complaints to the right subforum. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
I'm not frowning at the threat, but I don't follow?Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
it's doubtful due to people activities. but is used to reduce the production. such to reduce material level of people's life, reduce population, to reduce sparing of resources on anyone besides a minority with money.Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
the problem with emigrants is economical and political. those are pushed to Europe intentionally. one of reasons - it's a kind of war and a stick of USA against European states. also this helps later to establish more of fascistic ideology and reduce socialistic norms which are for the interests of majority. this helps to support islamistic bands to war against today Eastern nations to supress and ruin them. etc profits
The main reason for emigrants in Europe is the wars and destruction by USA and by a part of comprador/egocentric elites of Europe made in Middle East states since 2000s. This is supported by the sabotage inside the Europe by not resisting to redudnant emigrants and them not be controled good. Also poverty in Eastern states is supported by the sames - as capitalistic regimes allow nations to be robed by them. Capitalism is antinational and antihumanistic as it's based on individualism - it's just economical banditism, which is partly supressed near the ones who robs others as those need a place to live to have some protection and some technology development somewhere.
while that girl is just a clown to distruct the attention from real reasons. also she represents a hysterical image of antihumanistic propaganda. if those who have power cared much about climate they'd arised energy efficiency, developed and used more modern technologies, made products which worked longer, did not supported idiotic approch "buy new stuff regularly even when you do not need it really". the main aim is to reduce mass production for the reasons said above
where is the right sub-forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
I never asked of splitting a thread. I asked that only one, the first of a series of very nasty threads, was closed, after some mod had split it. then "you"'ve split even other threads, so that means that you saw the shit that was going on and never took any measure. just a reminder, what was going on in there was heavy insulting, libel, harassment, threatening. bullying. which is against the forum rules, right?
then one calls a trans "he" and the mods are suddenly righteous.
you need a reality check sometime, you know.
I deleted the thread you asked to be deleted. There are several mods here so I do not know what I may have split. I was not there when you were being attacked later and the dog comment was made but I warned the person when I returned and saw it had been reported.. I am not sure why you think you can get right in the middle of conflict with forum members and say just as nasty things back to them then get indignant because something isn't done about it. If you want your complaint to be taken seriously maybe don't go off on the people you believe are harassing you? I am not going to bring up what you did but your hands aren't exactly clean. Happy we can provide mutual reality checks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
You must not realize that both sides were attacking and reporting each other about the trans issue. No one was innocent. If you have more to say about mods post it there but read the rules first concerning mod decisions. Not sure where people get the idea that mods read every single post.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ite-Discussion
If you have a problem with a post specifically then report it and a mod will look at it and decide what if anything should be done. Do not post complaints about specific forum members at the link above.
A list of mods can be found here. If you feel you are not getting help from one then you can try another.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showgroups.php
I completely agree that the USA is mostly to blame for the refugee crisis. The UK and France also, to a smaller extent, as well as some of the other NATO countries. I think they're the ones who should be dealing with it, not Austria or Sweden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol