https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8JgoXQdho64
What's her type? (I may be ISFp)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8JgoXQdho64
What's her type? (I may be ISFp)
She looks INFP
She looks ISFp to me. Definitely displays a lot of Fe but not in a scary way.
could beQuote:
Originally Posted by pinkcanary
Apparently I'm one of the few people to whom she displays Fe, maybe the only oneQuote:
Originally Posted by pinkcanary
She really displays Fe fluidity. I think she is SEI. Seems not high enough from various substances in order to be IEI and overall those ehem... nonverbals point towards SEI over IEI.
She seems LII. Benefit?
Makes sense. She seems to be a thinker, imeQuote:
Originally Posted by roger557
Ask her to take a simple mbti test but she's an f type
simple mbti tests are the first cause of mystipings.
take functions tests instead, they're pretty good and work for both typology systems:
http://www.keys2cognition.com/explore.htm
https://similarminds.com/jung.html
(she does look ExFp)
i test all before recommending
decent one
https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
our personality type is:
Advocate
INFJ-T
Mind
This trait determines how we interact with our environment.
21%
79%
EXTRAVERTED
INTROVERTED
Energy
This trait shows where we direct our mental energy.
73%
27%
INTUITIVE
OBSERVANT
Nature
This trait determines how we make decisions and cope with emotions.
14%
86%
THINKING
FEELING
Tactics
This trait reflects our approach to work, planning and decision-making.
68%
32%
JUDGING
PROSPECTING
Identity
This trait underpins all others, showing how confident we are in our abilities and decisions.
49%
51%
ASSERTIVE
TURBULENT
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ENTp or possibly INTj and ENFp
How do you feel about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
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INTj/INTP
I don't think she is Ne dominant. Maybe Ti dominantQuote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
coolQuote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
try the test I linked you to
sorry :/ that wasn't the test I meant.. it was this https://similarminds.com/classic_jung.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
also please, you should upload a picture with the scores of the functions.. so we can understand... btw, interesting results.. I think her movements are too outward to be an introvert, she's talkative and her eyes move around as if to follow and catch ideas, that's a good sign of Ne.
She got MBTI INFPQuote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
She's LII-Ne; you two are activation buddies. There's clear chemistry. Cute.
yeah I figured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
First off, that test is not decent; it's one of the more terrible ones because of a.) how the questions are phrased [and the subsequent biases they encourage] and b.) the problematic ways they define introversion and extroversion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
Secondly, aren't you supposed to be a EII? If you took the test and got INFJ/IEI, why would you then think that was an accurate test to recommend?
Attachment 15227Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
She got ENTP
From where an LII can get that much of dynamic Fe?
I'm the only person to whom she acts that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
What is so "dynamic?" The fact that she smiles and laughs? Her face has some mobility but it's still restricted to the same movements and is not as varied and "large" in its expressiveness as often found in higher Fe users. And not for nothing, as a ILE-Ti, I can see why to you it would seem that her Fe is "dynamic," but objectively speaking, I don't think so. Moreover, high Ne is also associated with a heightened degree of facial "mimicry" and actively interfacing with the external environment--it seems like you may be conflating the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
I think this is the usual way how creative comes out: Close contact. I can not do precisely good Ti in real time when extroverting. I have to close off myself from the world (possibly among selected people) and then get truly analytical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
I watched three minutes of your video. She talks non-stop. And you have really low Fe and, I'd guess, pretty high Te, although not 4D Te. I was thinking she could be IEE and if you can put up with her, you are possibly her dual, an SLI, although some of your pictures make you appear to be a Feeler. IDK. Just my 2 cents worth.
Also, I'm not the best typer here. Not by a long shot.
*EDIT*
Oh, Man. I watched the rest of the video. You guys are cute together. And I really do think she's IEE. Just the way she kept pestering you and how she wrapped you up with her arms and then pushed you away. Total IEE.
You might be SLI, too. You have the general manliness of SLI's, and seem very vulnerable to and appreciative of her Fi. Your body motions also seem SLI. Confident but economical.
What type do you think she is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
Benefit is a decent intertype, but it seems to depend on subtypes. One accepting - one producing seems better than both accepting or producing (especially producing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
NO. He's SEI, she's LII, and that is activation.Quote:
Originally Posted by roger557
If she is that bubbly only around selected people that is Fe creative in my book. I think SEI just by based on videos. When the group gets smaller the more expressive they tend to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
I give an example between me and EIE. EIE comes in and warns me about coming danger (Ni). I have already thought about it but I thought it would be a great time to take care of it and not be lazy. It just seemed bit unnecessary but meant good so I took care of it. Later I'm around that same EIE and her tell the about Ti truths she accepts them no questions asked and is quite happy (I'd appreciate some sort of dialog and not about how to apply pressure, lol). This is how extroverts exchange introverted information. It is not supposed to be set in stone and is quite maneuverable.
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Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
Yeah, SEI - she's your benefactor.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkcanary
I've noticed a whole bunch of Fe fluidity as well.
So folks are just going to ignore that she took 3 cognitive function tests and got ENTP or INTP. I can't. lol
Which type am I then?Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
IDK, what do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
I may seem like SEI, but I relate more to benefit, her as the beneficiaryQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
You seem SEI because you are SEI. And depending on sub type, there can be some benefit "vibes."Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
I've followed your threads closely and the first one you made that included the questionnaire was dripping in Si+Fe; it was only later that you went on to actively resist being an Si lead which led to a slew of contradictions and inconsistencies with what you had initially expressed.
Makes sense, that would be cool. I still think I'm bad with Si thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
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Originally Posted by Megatrop
That's effective enough Si.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
Your ILE dual would love you for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
And I also read where, as a kid, you'd sometimes eat spoiled or rotten food and you think that signifies poor Si; ummm, our lead cognitive functions are still in development when we are children. Just because a child is a Se lead doesn't mean he/she can hit a back flip on their very first attempt--it doesn't work like that.
She's SEI or IEI
Observe better please...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
Also, she is not LII-Ne.. you must not have met a LII-Ne in your life..
Ditto. Go practice what the fuck you preach.Quote:
Originally Posted by roger557
I do. I have good Ni (i think?). But you, being LIE-Te maybe could use some exercise on your Creative. Did you notice how she is the one that seems to be on overdrive, while he seems much more calm? That's what happens to the beneficiary in benefit relations; they're the ones being activated. This is all consistent with what he has been describing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
lol You thought wrong. My Ni is actually doing what it's supposed to do > gathering disparate bits of data and patterns and piecing them together towards a holistic, comprehensive solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by roger557
1.) Hilarious that you have the unmitigated gall to tell me to "observe better" and yet you evidently struggle with cataracts your damned self:
Like I said the first fucking time, depending on sub type, there can manifest a secondary (or more) IR that adds another layer/dimension to the primary dynamic. In this case, a SEI-Fe and a LII-Ne activation pair with a strong enough sub type could also theoretically mimic [IEI > LII] benefit relations. Though she certainly talks more than he does, he is still engaged and manifests a bit more energy than he does in his solo videos; in the video where they were both playing instruments and singing, their energy levels were evenly matched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
2.) Aren't you the same (evidently) face blind autist that thought he must be a IEI because he allegedly favors Colin Farrell (who does happen to be IEI), when in actuality, to those who can actually see (with the corresponding mirror neurons), they do not favor each other. lol If that's what passes for your "observation" skills, then I'll have no parts of them. Besides that, you've yet to put forth anything about him that would substantively indicate a Ni lead. And do you know why? Because he doesn't show much Ni, if at all, in his posts. Why, again you ask? Because he's a SEI.
Talk about subpar "Ni". FOH.
My relationship is actually probably total benefit. And I have as much intuition as she doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
Perhaps it is that I not see with my eyes...
ok cool @Megatrop, say thanks to your sis for enduring to do all the tests lol
I wouldn't doubt the results of these tests, girl can actually be a LII-Ne, if you're sure she's an introvert and say she behaves so warm only with close people, that's a possibility. By functions, it makes more sense that she's a LII than an ILE, because her Te is not strong, while the demonstrative function should rank as high as our base or creative.. so LII makes sense, with Ni as demonstrative.
I agree with Adam that you guys looked so much IEE and SLI, but my ILE dad too can be mistyped for a F(eeler), and he does too dress neat and always with taste... so I can see why people are opting for Si.
Unfortunately the fact that you're talking Portuguese can't tell us much more about the functions you 2 are using, so I think we can rely on these tests.
If you want to add be a bit more of sadism to this, hand her the sociotype.com test, it's easier compared to the ones she did before :D... but I think the result can already be confirmed. Thanks for your time!
it's F alike you. so not dual
your type is not SEI definetely. SEI in my perception are significantly dumbs. you are not such
the other girl - has some chance to be LSE and your dual
So he can't be a SEI because SEIs are "dumb?" lol WTF??? It's this kind of ridiculous, unfounded, un-type related nonsense that leads to so many sensors (like him) mistyping as intuitives. Seriously, do better. Or perhaps you can't because you're an obvious sensor. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sol
If that's the case, I wish you'd actually show some once in a while > show, don't tell. And don't blame a language barrier, because that has nothing to do with spewing metaphor and abstractions everywhere like an actual IEI would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
because clearly lacks common IR effect. what is enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
also there were other reasons which mb seen in his typing theme
I don't write like IEIs do, indeed, as I have observed here (https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ation-Elements), but I don't write like Si-egos either. However my writing is pretty much of Ne-ego as you can verify in my posts and compare to that website. Also, Sol thinks I'm Ne-ego, so when he says dumb, he's probably refering to Ne-dumbness if that makes sense to you. So analyzing my writing, one would be led to Ne instead of Si, that's still intuitionQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
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Ok, I got ENFP on the test indicated by ooo. But I identify like 85% with EII-Ne (not with ENFP), and almost 100% with IEI-Fe, except for the extroverted part. So EII-Ne is a good candidate.
I don't display Fe to everyone either, only people I feel very comfortable around. My Fe is childlike and not everyone wants to see that, it gets me into trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
1.) When I said "show, don't tell," I actually meant that I wanted to see more of you (in the process of) abstracting/distilling thoughts, perspectives and ideas, which for an IEI would usually manifest with analogies, word pictures and the like--it's rather sensory ego of you to assume I was speaking of the superficial, surface level, explicit value of certain specified words and not the manner in which you employ the words to impart insights. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
2.) Furthermore, everyone uses everything, as in, every function will show up in one's diction and speech patterns at some point; if anything, it's a matter of degree and frequency. Therefore, of course, Ne should theoretically show up in your posts (and SEIs, in particular, are Ne-valuing, btw), but do you know what manifests with far greater strength and frequency? Fi and Fe, which would make sense for a Fe sub type due to the greater dimensionality of those functions. Subsequently, you'd have to possess 3D Si or Ni, which differs in scope to 4D Si or Ni. And guess what? More than you piecing together information, patterns, theories, and metaphors in order to synthesize some broad, big picture insight or point (Ni), I see you recalling specific memories and anecdotes that relate to some past experience (Si) in order to draw a conclusion. Stop fighting it. It really is perfectly fine to be a SEI. If it's important for you to be a "genius" or some "visionary," (both of which seem rather dual seeking to me, fwiw) SEIs are also capable of this, as you've shown via your musical talents, for example.
3.) And no, your (low Ti) rendering of Sol's "point" does not make sense to me, which speaks more to SEI > SLI.
LOL A EII with 70% Te and 60% Ti? Dude, stop it. This is getting embarrassing. You're just shooting in the dark, hoping to catch something, at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
And if that girl is your sister, than it makes even more sense why you believe yourself to be an intuitive. Activation relations can function like a sped up dualization process, which is why they can be draining after a while > there's so much energy and information being transferred on the complimentary information elements of the other party. My mother and a few close relatives are SEEs and when I was growing up, I swore on everything holy that I wanted to be a comic book artist, painter, or some brand of performance artist (acting, singing, dance, martial arts); for a long time I believed my Se and Fi to be stronger and more competent than they actually were, in large part because my subconscious dual seeking functions were being electro-shocked regularly; they had become a more "present" and "aware" part of my consciousness over time (which could be "positive" or "negative," depending on intensity and any resultant "confusion"). It was only after heading off to University and regularly encountering more of my own kind in activities frequented by us where I then thought..."wait a minute...Se+Fi 'things' are great and wonderful and cool and I'll still partake of them, but I feel more internally at ease with Te+Ni related stuff"--that's where I really felt at home.
Something to think about.
Actually, I'm the one who teaches her things. She only helps me with the thinking part, that she's pretty good atQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
I study Computer Engineering for 4 years now. I value a lot Ti and Te (mostly from experience). It doesn't mean they're 3D+. And clearly I don't use as much Si/Se.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
Isn't that obvious? Do you think I'm dumb? You're not telling anything new to me. I just realized that I don't use Si in my speechQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
@Mega, by those results you can be ENxp, but you should take other tests too, which is fair because your sis did ;p come on boy!
oi, there's a test around, it's very long (but it used to be even longer!) if you don't have anything to do this morning, maybe give it a try? https://www.aimtoknow.com/test_beta
I'm not SLI, of course. And don't use the memory recollection argument, because I'm terrible at this, you can notice that my memories are very shallow. this is one of the most strong arguments against Si. It's my aquiles ankle, and it's very painful. I've memorized 1500 digits of Pi, but I used the method of loci, which anyone can use easily, and guess why? Because I wanted to have a super memory, not a super imagination. That includes learning languages tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
Got EIIQuote:
Originally Posted by ooo
do more tests lol, then let's make a chart :p
It's not about being "dumb," it's about what one most readily perceives and how he perceives it; how am I supposed to know that it's "obvious" to you when you respond with a concrete list of words, which would embolden my belief that you are a sensor, instead of giving me what I'm repeatedly telling you is lacking > the intuition. This whole time I'm telling you that the problem is that you aren't showing the "process" of any abstracted thinking, which is to be distinguished from specific words that act more as "tells" that signify a "process." If I'm asking Superman to prove he's Superman by leaping over a building in a single bound, the last thing I want is for him to show me his sore calves and the scuff marks on the bottoms of his shoes on the bus ride around the building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
Whatever dude, rock out with your cock out. Be whatever you want to be. "Belief is free"; it's just problematic as fuck when the underpinnings of those beliefs are rooted in untruths and falsehoods. These typing systems can only truly work when the deeper subsystems (read: sociotypes and IR) are acting on the appropriate code. How we get mistypings, that then lead to disillusionment, dissatisfaction and abandonment the system, is from people assigning and ascribing false "values" to traits they don't actually possess, to begin with, which has a ricocheting effect across the system and amplifies the dysfunction. But go on ahead, be a IEI who ducks and dodges Ni abstractions like an aikido master. :thumbsup:
I typed you IEE but after your vid I saw you are an introvert. I think you are EII and she could be LII. My best friend is LII.
No socionics type is MBTI exclusive and vice versa, there are plenty of INFJs who can be EII or LII or ILI or LIE etc Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the point that's what I thought you meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
I agree that test isn't the best.
I think Megatrop might be ILI or EII. It is not unheard of hanging with super egos. Sometimes I find them quite OK.
I never expected you to come out with a disgusting statement like that, why call a whole type dumb? What if there's people who identify with that type on this site ? How are you an enneagram 1 if you aren't upholding your high standards and impulsively calling a whole type dumb?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
It's wrong, totally wrong. SEI's are capable of being highly intelligent. I know plenty of SEI's who are more intelligent than me.
I do think Megatrop might be SEI but I also think the sp 9 may come into effect here for people who are typing, sp 9 intuitives are concrete in general. That's a big misunderstanding of the theory.
https://www.personalitycafe.com/type...-chestnut.html
I think the girl is EIE
I don't think it's a dual
@Megatrop Every type is great trust me, if you're here to figure out your type in its entirety though then I would suggest hearing out everyone's perspective. You seem like a great guy btw.
I have a hard time understanding why people keep labeling Mega as a S when he clearly doesn't relate to it/ doesn't score as a S/ doesn't do overly S stuff. Intuitive is probably the only certainty that I have about him, along with Introverted. p/j is a bit tricky to pin down... and T/F might be just as tricky too. if sister is really LII, it doesn't look like they're neither "identicals", nor "look-alike". she could be another type though, and if you were the LII... she could be an extroverted instead (?).. LII's too have clear principles and aim to be good people... I can see that in himself... gosh so many variables.. btw INxx is what I'd feel sure about, for now
She's not EII; she's way too emotive and all over the place with her hands; EII are self contained calm gentle looking. EII are closer to what you are like in the video MegaQuote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
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Originally Posted by Alonzo
meanwhile he types all SEI as EII
I like the questions in this testQuote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
something about the way they are asked that's different from other mbti tests
there are always problematic ways in which E/I are defined
Yes I'm INFj in both systems and no mbti tests (like I've said a million times before) are not designed to give you a functional result. There is one currently and I took it it said you are INFP but most likely INFJ. Yeah welcome to MBTI
1.) As I'm sure you well know, what someone "relates to" and what they'd like to be ideally may be different from who they actually are--I've already tried several times to explain within Socionics theory how IR can affect who we are, how we develop, etc..., even using myself as an example. Of course, what we resonate with matters, but that just can't be the sole criteria. Furthermore, I'm sure you also know how easy it is to let one's biases skew test results in favor of what they'd ideally like to be. I keep going back to his initial posts, which I feel were probably more honest than when he started reading around and coming across descriptions he really liked (idealistically), descriptions that would be incompatible and inconsistent with how he initially claimed to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
2.) What (conscious) Fi lead would say this?
Even you, as a IEE, would not say that you don't like to reflect on your values--such a thing would be preposterous to the very notion of strong, conscious Fi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
lol The bane of a IEI or EII's 1-2D Se/Te existence can be successfully carrying out the above, and yet, according to him, he is so drawn to what is practically applied and observed in real life. I mean, I've never heard such a thing come from a EII's mouth; nothing is impossible, of course, but I'm more apt to go by what is most likely/probable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
3.) Moreover, besides what he says/claims to be into re: hobbies and interests, can you pinpoint anything in his posting history that would encapsulate an "intuiting" process? I just can't find any intuition in what he actually says and does, which should be distinguished with what he claims to say and do. We need evidence, "receipts" of the intuition. I'm an Ni creative and yet my Ni is on full display throughout this thread. I can not help myself. If he is now a EII (based off of recent test results), where is the creative Ne???
Now I think I'm EII, thanks to you. So, thank you for spending some time in this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
1.) Well, I'm all for progress. lol I'm honestly only giving my input because I do want to help--forgive my brusque, direct and matter of fact presentation; it's not my intention to be mean or harsh, I just like to be honest and call a spade, a spade, as I see fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatrop
2.) Having said that, a EII would still have strong (unconscious) 3-4D Ni, and I'm not still not seeing any "intuiting" on your part.
3.) In another post, you said that you don't like to think about your values. But what makes a EII a EII is strong, conscious Fi that prompts them, in part, to most definitely ponder/consider/ruminative over/classify/categorize their highly personalized value system. Now that doesn't mean that they shout it to the rooftops and openly declare it everywhere; but they damn sure know how they feel about something/what they believe in.
Maybe because he is Brazilian? Everyone knows Brazil is a sensor country..Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
@Alonzo
fair points indeed, but after reading his questionnaire I didn't have the impression "SENSOR", instead I thought he could be an intuitive... I thought he was a S after watching the video in here instead, but I wouldn't type someone based on VI, nor on the impressions they send me~ ~ because I can't read those : )
btw, I'm not sure how to evaluate those things you reported in red... you're right to label them, but there might just be more to the picture which he's not revealing (?)... it's true that a Fi lead should have some values, or at least wouldn't mind thinking of those things... and it's true intuitives can opt for less practical occupations to satisfy their mental wanderings... but lol... I mean, you could be right, but maybe there's some EII out there who wishes to become a billionaire from being an engineer while not thinking much of what would really make them happy inside... lol, it's a possibility we can't discard :D
oh yes, they can shake their bumbums like none else :DQuote:
Originally Posted by roger557
lol As far as I'm concerned, by virtue of the fact that you and I both exist, there must be something important about the different ways in which we see things, and on that note, I can't really argue too much against your perspective because it's also valid. I envy you because you've been quite the sweetheart, very open-minded, and very helpful with a lot of patience (something I'm admittedly short on) and so you're probably the better fit to get to the bottom of this conundrum. Have at it, my dear! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo
yeah @Alonzo, you come off a bit harsh... and I think guy here got offended and typed himself EII just to prove you wrong XD mabe you 2 are duals <3 thx for your kind words *mwah*
If you relate almost 100% to IEI why aren't you IEI? I can't understand what's said so I can't tell the IR.
Ok Mega, this is your final type and her's
You are ISTP and she's ENFP; don't let her go because she's your dual.
I watched this video again and you are the same type as my father. ISTp!
These types of comments, echoed by the other strong Fi users in this thread, perfectly illustrate how we are cognitively enacting our roles within the system even as we speak about the inner workings of the system, and therefore "biases" and "blind spots" will usually be made manifest in our arguments. It's all very interesting and worth noting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Pixel
I can totally understand why strong Fi users would count "resonating" with a type as integral to actually being that type, Te evidence be damned. lol I'm always asking people to support their premises with evidence so as to establish what we can all agree works, objectively speaking. Therefore, I'm inclined to minimize or completely discount purely subjective stances centered around what one relates to. My thinking is that I may relate to many traits of a Lion, but that doesn't mean I'm a Lion, and, from my perspective, especially if 10 people can't objectively substantiate or agree that I'm a Lion. The problem is, inevitably, someone will see a wolf or a shark, but at the very least we could establish that we're all observing a predator. For me, that would be valuable data that could lead to a conclusion about who or what I actually am. But, of course, there is still a blind spot here because there must be some ground given to subjective truth, because we'd expect someone to be more in touch with who they actually are (and Fi users are far more aware of this than others). And I do agree with that, but for me it's a problem when someone is being inconsistent with who they say they are--then, it's like, your subjective truth is an unreliable narrator, if you get what I'm saying. And there must be some level of objectivity or else, anyone can be anything, whether they actually are or not, which throws off the whole point of reliably observed Inter type relation theory.
Ok sky final type ESE, divorce ur LSI husband u need a LIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
no i'm not a pleasure seeker and my husband is LSEQuote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
LIIs arent about pleasure theyre about intellect babeQuote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
So am I so I don't really need them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
You sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky