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Hello! I'm attempting to type a friend, and she seems like an ENFp, yet her MBTI results test as INTP/INTJ, whereas her sociotype results test as INTp, ENTj, ISTp, and INTj. Would it be possible for an ENFp to test as these types, and not as an ENFp?
Also, do ENFps not care about social norms and what others think?
Yes, ENFp has this thing that they have wrong perception of themselves which is combination of Ne and lack of logic, I know one ENFp who tests as LSE all the time while in the real life he's total opposite.
He says - "I am not intuitive! I am not ethical!". And still lives in this denial.
Hello :) I see... May I know how he acts in real life? I'm still trying to figure out if someone I know is ENFp. She doesn't care about social norms or what others think. Is that true of other ENFps too?Quote:
Originally Posted by falsehope
And how this exactly look like? Is she anti-social or just not understanding social norms? Or maybe you are grumpy and dont accept her behaviour? I can imagine some Ni-PoLR and Ne-PoLR would have hard time accepting ENFp behaviour and say that they don't adhere to social norms. But what is normal for ENFp is not normal for ESFj and vice-versa.
it's not that i think she's anti-social... it's just that she wrote on her blog herself "fuck social norms and what other people think"... she wrote it herself so i was wondering if it was normal ENFp behavior? It's hard typing her so i'm just trying to pinpoint.
Well it's hard to guess what she meant by that. But yeah, for ENFp that could be life mantra. I think what she was thinking about was somewhat trivial and not serious. Like what she wears for example.
All the time. I'm orders of magnitude worse with other people's motivations, and avoiding stepping on toes or viscerally disgusting people, than I am with logical systems. And there's the fact that most of my "values" are admittedly self-serving and protectionist of my own good. Apparently there's a factor to Logicals that compels you to sacrifice yourself for the greater good, because reasons?...idk. But I'm definitely a lot more emotionally than rationally motivated. It's very frustrating to see ubiquitous descriptions of my most approximate type as being excellent at something I'm decidedly bad at.
Nope, there isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grendel
I don't believe "sacrificing yourself to the greater good" is type related, but if it is, it might be related to wanting to convice others to do this (all the while not truly believing it oneself, or at least not acting accordingly). It's possible that certain unhealthy beta quadra types, and even some gamma ones, might adopt such rhetoric to get others to risk themselves for them. I'm thinking maybe Fidel Castro (EIE in my opinion) for example, since I once saw a movie on him, and the actor that played him kept repeating "we must sacrifice our individual hopes and dreams for the revolution" etc.
So while I don't think this is type directly related, I do think people wanting to seize power are more likely to employ this sort of rhetoric, simply because it is effective.
Anyways, sorry for derailing this thread.
It sounds like something someone going through adolescence would write. Typewise it might be related to being ethical, since they externalize stronger reactions than logicals, but I don't think you can type someone without seeing the global picture of the person, this isn't very revealing tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornflorals
Yes, tests are not really reliable for self typing IMO. Descriptions are much better. It is easy to be perceived as an introvert or logical as an IEE because of our high intuition.Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornflorals
As for social norms, it depends on their instinctual stacking. I care less than other IEEs about social norms because I am so last, but an so first would care a lot more than me.
This is not true at all. I know several IEEs that are aware of MBTI and they self type as ENFP like me. We have similarities, but differences too just like any people with the same type. The IEE you know just happens to be an IEE with low self awareness.Quote:
Originally Posted by falsehope
Did she take one of the free online MBTI tests? Those are notoriously bad at typing people accurately. I really don't think 'not caring about social norms' has anything to do with Sociotype. It might have something to do with Enneagram instinctual stacking, though.
Hello, i'm not sure about falsehope's IEE friend... But the acquaintance I know and am trying to type is a pretty self-aware person... She has written that she's a cruel and unforgiving person. She seems to be aware of her flaws... But she has still typed as everything except ENFP/IEE :/ Which i find strange...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raver
I see :/ I'm not too sure which MBTI test she took :/ but she has gotten INTJ and INTP as her results before... she also took the test at sociotype, and got INTp as her most possible type, followed by ENTj, ISTp and INTj...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaiviay
um she was in her twenties and in university when she wrote that :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Avebury
She has also written before about how her choice in deciding which university to attend was a messed up one, considering how she made it based on how she felt rather than how she thought... could this point to a more logical person?
btw would it be okay if i pm-ed you to discuss about this further? :)
Hello :) I believe you're an IEE? May I know which other types you have previously tested as?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grendel
I've known many IEEs who've worked in technical laboratory environments, and because they do, many seem to assume that they're T-types. Also, some IEEs retake tests many times because they themselves don't seem to want to believe the answer - but I've seen many other Eps play with the answers on an assortment of issues.:content:
a.k.a. I/O
Well, IEEs are always open to other possibilities. So they will entertain ideas and possibilities that have a slim chance of being true. So that includes matching with a type that does not fit them at all. However, I have seen other types do this, this forum is a good example of that, lol. It is also possible that she may not be IEE, it is easy to mistype people if you don't know them well enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornflorals
It sounds like she's taking quite a few tests, then, so she's probably used free ones that are easy to access. Even if she's taken a written questionare, that's not likely to be accurate without a MBTI typist carefully interpreting the questions for her (even then...well let's just say I've seen a SLE typed as ENTJ by those people before, when he's obviously got amazingly strong Se and Fi PoLR. So I dunno how much to trust in the professional typists. But, that's just my take...).Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornflorals
When I was into MBTI and I had finally figured out I was probably ISFP, I still got INTP and INTJ a lot when I took those online tests. And before I was familiar enough with the system to type myself accurately, I got all kinds of things from ENTJ to INFJ to ISTP (but INTJ/P was my most common result out of all of them). There's actually a lot of discussion on MBTI forums about how biased those tests are (in favor of logic and intuition). I remember they had a lot of yes or no questions that said things like:
"I often use critical thinking when examining new data"
"I enjoy new theories and possibilities even if they have no direct connection to reality"
"I value logic over feeling".
It's so easy for someone who is not NT-anybody-to answer 'yes' to all those questions. Who would say 'No, I don't use critical thinking :nope:'? Using critical thinking is just part of being a responsible person, or part of being curious about how things work, it's not something only logical types do. And even if somebody really doesn't use it hardly at all, how likely would they realize that? It's even possible for a logical type to be inconsistent at applying critical thinking, so I'm not sure that's a good measurement of type. If their unconscious emotional insecurities get in the way, they sometimes avoid thinking carefully about things that disturb them (ask any feeling type who's been close to logical types before--their thinking often shuts down when the beliefs they have trusted their personal security in are being threatened).
Sensors often do enjoy new theories and possibilities even if they have no direct connection to reality. In socionics, that's part of dual-seeking.
An ethical type can just as easily value logic over feeling as a thinking type can. Especially in American society (where I come from) where emotional reasoning is usually regarded as inferior and less intelligent, it's common for everybody to value logic over feeling.
So yeah, it's completely possible for an ENFp to get INTJ/P on myers briggs tests. And if she's pretty sure in her self concept that "I am INTx" and she generally understands the character traits associated with that, she's likely to self report INTx on those Socionics tests, too. Well, if she learns about the system enough, eventually over time she'll figure out her real type (whatever it is). And if you know the system pretty well, and you know her pretty well, you probably have a pretty decent understanding of her type.
@Xaiviay
I find your take about logic being valued socialy very interesting.
I lived the opposite, logic being devalued, Te mostly, which lead me to get NF typings. I really wanted to be that, but I'm not.
For the question "I value logic over feeling", one can have logical reasons to value feelings or feel that logic is the best way to go, and that drives me insane.
When I start to think about the questions to give the most representative answer, I can end up with a mental breakdown from overthinking them.
I know someone who has developed her whole understanding of mbti around being INFJ, the first test result she got... I think she's not but there's nothing I can do about it, she's closed to discussion on the matter. (Everyone she dislikes is ESTP lol.)
Meh. It's not like I can "fix" her perception. That would presomptuous to think I can fix people anyway. -w-b
Jung talks about that and says that is the product of roughly equivalent development of logic/ethics, but he says its also because neither is developed fully, and concludes one is mostly like an irrational type to see things that way. I do see the point though, which is to say you can value one through the prism of the other, which makes any statement about one superseding the other superfluous, since you can come to either by way of the other, thus they're lateral shifts not heirarchical. but that is Jung's point, when they are laterally arranged like that, they fit in the middle somewhere, sandwiched between perceptions. I thought about that for a long time and came to the conclusion that logic really does sit below ethics, and that all logic is essentially a mode of affect management, whether it be through resource acquisition or making sense of the world in terms of metaphysics or whatever. its all a method to deal with the world as an ethical arena, even though how you slice such a thing abstractly can vary and paradoxes abound. this says more about my perspective I suppose than the world itself, or more particularly it speaks of my world. I think in this sense you could say such a person is likely to be an ethical base type
@NorthernRose Oh that's interesting that it's been so different for you, regarding logic vs feeling. Yeah there must be some sections of society that value feeling over logic, even if it's not as common (I might be wrong on it being less common? Stuff like this gives me that idea).
I'm sorry if you've felt your Te was no good because others kept devaluing it. There's nothing wrong with being an NT (if that's the type you're leaning towards, now?) For what it's worth, I think you should feel just as good about being a thinking type as you would have felt about being an ethical type. Neither logic or feeling is better or worse, and both bring a lot of value to the world.
Yes, you have a good point here with:That's so true. It's driven me crazy in the past, too.Quote:
one can have logical reasons to value feelings, or feel that logic is the best way to go
Ohh wow, haha. I can see that happening, yes. That kind of thing is mildly irksome to me, but it's like you said, you can't 'fix' their perception and they can believe whatever they want...Quote:
I know someone who has developed her whole understanding of mbti around being INFJ, the first test result she got... I think she's not but there's nothing I can do about it, she's closed to discussion on the matter. (Everyone she dislikes is ESTP lol.)
Meh. It's not like I can "fix" her perception.
yes I think that anchoring effect is itself a form of affect mangement and kind of goes to squarks davesuperpowers thing. lots of people will build their entire understanding of socionics around a premise derived from a long prior MBTI result they liked. its sort of like the biblical parable of having your reward now or later. the people who do that have their reward, but they lose out on any real insight socionics might be able to offer, because they've distorted the system to suit themselves rather than learn anything of substance that might require shifting course. they see this unwillingness to shift course as testament to the accuracy of the initial premise, when its just doubling down on an error and daring anyone to move you, when of course the person who really suffers from such indolence is mainly them
@Xaiviay
One of the problem with this stat thing is : how exactly are logic and feeling defined? Many people think deciding with feelings mean being like Trump or being some hystericaly unreasonable person.
All I know is that a lot of people feel the need to repress themselves to "fit", but fit what exactly? A sort of ideal in their mind. Many factors, including culture can influence this ideal greatly.
I think both feelings and logic are used to reach a decision, some may prefer one, but that doesn't mean the other is completely ignored... I mostly make decisions based on those two elements through time, past feelings and logic, present feelings and logic, possible logical outcomes and possible emotional repercussions...
I'm not so sure how to respond to "I'm sorry" and "you feel" kind of sentences. I know they come from the heart, and that's probably what confuses me. It sounds like you're trying to highlight my experience and maybe comfort me?
I'm going with an F PoLR typing at least... xD
Logical and ethical having had a similar experience, that's to highlights how we aren't complete alien to one other. It's a wonderful thing to witness.Quote:
That's so true. It's driven me crazy in the past, too.
@Bertrand
Ethical base type... I can see that.
I usually know I have a feeling because I feel nauseated, dizzy, stiff, heavy or something... it's not precise enough to base any decision on... mostly that I can "don't notice" all of it magnificently...
@NorthernRose Well yeah, it depends on how you define the two. I guess I'd have to see some kind of poll or study done where both logic and feeling were described accurately and people were asked to rate their opinions on them, to see if there really is some kind of societal bias...
I do try to come up with decisions that make some sense from both feeling and thinking perspectives. I agree with this:
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I think both feelings and logic are used to reach a decision, some may prefer one, but that doesn't mean the other is completely ignored... I mostly make decisions based on those two elements through time, past feelings and logic, present feelings and logic, possible logical outcomes and possible emotional repercussions...
Ohhh lol, well you understood what kind of effect I hoped to give you xD F-PoLR for you does sound likely. Also, I'm guessing you are not Fe-seeking.Quote:
I'm not so sure how to respond to "I'm sorry" and "you feel" kind of sentences. I know they come from the heart, and that's probably what confuses me. It sounds like you're trying to highlight my experience and maybe comfort me?
I'm going with an F PoLR typing at least... xD
I like this point you made very much and I agree :)Quote:
Logical and ethical having had a similar experience, that's to highlights how we aren't complete alien to one other. It's a wonderful thing to witness.
Way back when I was learning MBTI, I thought I was INFP. When I read about E/I in Gifts Differing, i realized I was ENFP. With Socionics, ther aer so many ways to check itl. Beta/Delta differences should be obvious, for example. It's strange though that she is always self-typing T instead of F.Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornflorals
I sort of don't care about social norms and sort of do. I want to do what I think is right, and I won't put that aside for social norms if it's important to me. However I want people to be comfortable so i try to follow social norms all the way til it conflicts with a strong belief.
@Xaiviay
Even with the proper definition, I see feelings as logical informations about a person. I have researched those in the past and that's how I managed to "understand" and take into consideration feelings... : 3
I'm very sure you see it differently.
I'm curious as to how you would describe how it happens in your head, I can't imagine it at all.
I can find biais everywhere... easy after being the "odd one" so often. -w-b
Making decisions is sure a lot of brain power... lord.
That, in a way, is hilarious. I'm glad you don't seem mad at my reply. xDQuote:
Ohhh lol, well you understood what kind of effect I hoped to give you xD F-PoLR for you does sound likely. Also, I'm guessing you are not Fe-seeking.
I think you have shown valuable intention, and putting emphasis on my experiences is something I appreciate from others. Comforting me is a little useless though, and I think you've seen somewhere a feeling that does not exist. I'm not trying to blame you or make you feel bad about any of this, I just like analyzing situations...
It's a thing I often see in Fe's, since mine is poor, there are some missunderstandings like this that I wonder where they came from... and I analyse it thorougly for days... : 3
I guess I can "intellectualise" Fe decently now, but "feel" it? It's awkward to me.
I'm probably even Fe PoLR. Sometimes I find it a bit scary to talk to Fe egos, so it is relieving to see we can agree on stuff, that we share experiences, and can have a conversation where I don't feel the need to bring out "Fe replies".
Just like we are both humans trying our best.
a dichotomy test may mistake in any of the dichotomies and any of their quantity
you may get any type by any typing method and with any typing skills. this is the question of probability. there are no perfect methods and skills
any method, including tests, are used because give significantly better than accidental results. any today test or other method mb correct at ~50% of cases or lesser. it's good to combine different methods to check the results. the more often you get the same result with this approach - the more you may trust to it
the best in Socionics for checking of your type is IR theory. it's hard to fool yourself enough to get good match to the theory with its using. in case you get bs - do not think IR theory as bad, think about how correct are your types and the degree other factors besides types may affect what you see. for example, people with good IR may have conflicts too, while with bad IR may look ok on the surface. some people may work relatively good in weak regions. etc. but it's doubtful you may get the same personal sympathy and ease of relations from superego like from your duals on regular - the closer and more you interact, the more IR effects will be noticed in your impressions about the human and interactions with him.
Jung's types are important for relations and how people behave. this is expressed as classical theory describes in general. if you see the other - you need to type better
Weird - the most wildly mistyped person I've ever met was a IEE (I think) typing as a MBTI INTJ. She was definitely EP > IJ anyway. I tried to get her to check it again but she, in the sunniest and bubbliest manner, told me she was cold and logical and looked at life in a strategic, detached way. If she wants to take tests, I think ones that look at cognitive functions / IMs are a bit more accurate but still not the best.
Generally IME it doesn't matter what people are typing themselves since if they are only taking free tests it's just a fun game anyway. If they started trying to pick a career or hunt for their dual on a mistype - then maybe you could worry! A lot of people I know casually take the test and then forget their result a week later. I also think it's really interesting to see what people type as on tests because it gives you a good indicator of how they see themselves (and pretty much nothing else haha). It's a total trip when they think of themselves completely different to how they present (like ENFp / INTp). Also weird was an INFP boy typing as an ESTP :shrug: Oh and when I first took an MBTI test I got ENTJ hahahaha.
@Xaiviay some of those tests are totally wild! And definitely geared towards NT. Other than "I use critical thinking" for T/F, there's also the S/N divide of "I'm open to new ideas", "I don't like discussing new theories." And MBTI SJ descriptions in particular are along the lines of being a duty-bound drone who has never had a thought for themselves. I really don't know who gets those results on tests.
I'm not saying we should exclude irrationals or anything, but I think at some point one has to accept that irrationals aren't interested in typology for the same reasons usually as rationals and that means them not being typed correctly is often intentional and part of their game and they like it that way, hence its not worth getting too worked up trying to get them on track, because they don't necessarily want that, nor are they going to try and intentionally hurt anyone who is on track. for them its just a sideshow to whatever else they've got going on. IP types take it more seriously, but the brighter EPs its like, good luck
Thank you everyone for your responses! Actually I remembered something... The acquaintance I'm trying to type... She does seem cool. And she seemed to use Introverted intuition too. We were talking halfway, and then she suddenly told me that she saw how things pieced together - like she connected the dots.
She's very straightforward too, and she would just tell me that she didn't care about me. She also told me how she didn't like a particular lecture over another, cos it took too long to be delivered, when it could have been summed up and delivered in 5 minutes. Would ENFP/IEEs be like that?
Yeah if IEE is not interested in the subject he has issues with following it trough.
Yes, IEEs seem to be one of the quicker types to get bored, and also seem to relish expressing the reasons for their boredom. They also like to stir up controversy and argument so long as they feel that they won't get caught in the crossfire. They can be very, very opinionated and argumentative when they're in what they feel is a safe environment. Sometimes they miscalculate and realize much later that they went too far and will try to make amends in indirect ways but often their words won't come across as sincere but rather milder forms of their original theses.....:content:
a.k.a. I/O
Hi NorthernRose,Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernRose
'feelings as logical informations about a person'- I also think this way :) I've found that feelings always have underlying rationality behind them, even if it's not obvious why at first.
Hmm, how to describe feelings...you said this in a previous comment:
It's actually quite similar for me. Emotions cause physical sensations like sickness, heaviness, lightness, etc. And there's also just the emotional 'sensation' itself (happiness, sadness, joy, anger, fear).Quote:
I have a feeling because I feel nauseated, dizzy, stiff, heavy or something...
Maybe a good way to describe what feelings are like for me, is how I feel in response to other people face-to-face. Some of the emotions will be what the other person looks like they are feeling, and others will be what that person causes me to feel by interacting with me. There's a girl who I think is ILI that I talk with at the book store, and she often makes me feel cautious, kind, eccentric, and contemplative...this is the way she looks like she feels, and it tells me about how she maybe spends a lot of her time. She also tends to make me feel excited, anxious, and intrigued. Those are my personal feelings in reaction to her.
I hope this helps answer your questions :) I like that we can both try to understand how the other person reasons.
Yes, being the "odd one" would make you attuned to other's biases...I think ILIs are naturally good at finding the biases in other people's reasoning, too?Quote:
I can find biais everywhere... easy after being the "odd one" so often. -w-b
Making decisions is sure a lot of brain power... lord.
Lol I think it's funny, too xD Thank you for appreciating my intention. Yes, I think I projected an emotion that you weren't having, when you probably were just wanting to compare experiences? You don't need to apologize for intellectualizing. It's interesting to see the way a thinking type reasons things out.Quote:
That, in a way, is hilarious. I'm glad you don't seem mad at my reply. xD
I think you have shown valuable intention, and putting emphasis on my experiences is something I appreciate from others. Comforting me is a little useless though, and I think you've seen somewhere a feeling that does not exist. I'm not trying to blame you or make you feel bad about any of this, I just like analyzing situations...
That's kind of cool how you can intellectualize Fe! It's useful to understand ethical things in an objective way, when possible. I even like it when I can have a logical perspective on my emotions because it feels more clarifying.
I can definitely understand this. ILIs (if that's your type) are sometimes intimidating to me, so it feels relieving to see where we have common ground and similar experiences, too.Quote:
I'm probably even Fe PoLR. Sometimes I find it a bit scary to talk to Fe egos, so it is relieving to see we can agree on stuff, that we share experiences, and can have a conversation where I don't feel the need to bring out "Fe replies".
Exactly!Quote:
Just like we are both humans trying our best.
Lol! Not gonna lie this was pretty funny xDQuote:
Originally Posted by mrrrmaid
True, it's not that big of a deal for most people.Quote:
Generally IME it doesn't matter what people are typing themselves since if they are only taking free tests it's just a fun game anyway. If they started trying to pick a career or hunt for their dual on a mistype - then maybe you could worry!
I guess he accurately reported his values, at least? lol. For a short period of time, I thought I was an ENTP (silly me :P) And my first ever test result was INTJ, rofl.Quote:
Also weird was an INFP boy typing as an ESTP :shrug: Oh and when I first took an MBTI test I got ENTJ hahahaha.
Oh goodness, I know right? Those SJ descriptions are so unappealing. And the bias against SJs in MBTI forums was pretty bad, last I checked. I like how Socionics does a pretty good job of fairly evaluating the strengths of all the types.Quote:
@Xaiviay some of those tests are totally wild! And definitely geared towards NT. Other than "I use critical thinking" for T/F, there's also the S/N divide of "I'm open to new ideas", "I don't like discussing new theories." And MBTI SJ descriptions in particular are along the lines of being a duty-bound drone who has never had a thought for themselves. I really don't know who gets those results on tests.
@Xaiviay
Hid in my hole for a few days. -w-b
That's interesting, ethical people I know seem to feel and not think much of it, as if the feeling is enough for them. Seem. Maybe I just don't know what happens in their head... hmm...
To know how I feel about someone or what they could have felt, I have to be alone and reflecting on it. That you can do it face-to-face sounds like sorcery to me. xD
It does help, I do enjoy collecting points of view also. The more I have, the more comfortable I am about "people-ing".
ILIs tend to be critics, but is it their biais or our? That's something to keep in mind. As I pass a lot of time with people from other quadras, I know that what I think is unconsistant or impractical can be appreciated by others and therefore let them have it how they like, the "best way" might suck for them... but I always notice when someone forgets to zip their pants... xD
Hm, that's just a small thing, but the word "compare" bothers me. I understand what you mean, as in sharing to see divergences and convergences, though compare is often used to talk about "X has this I don't have", or what is better or worse, and that's why it annoys me. It has a "bad" connotation I want to avoid.Quote:
...you probably were just wanting to compare experiences?
It's how an ILI gets called "critic"... it's annoying, even for me to be like this. (My biais.)
What I were trying to do was just as you said though... lol.
I do think the most likely type for me is ILI... even though I doubt it every other day, like everything else that it's possible to doubt. I know I'm not a "typical" ILI, it's still the only type that makes sense to me.
> intimidating
It's a word often used about ILIs, I find it sad in a way. I don't know if you think I am, and I hope not, it's not how I want people to view me at all. I know my incredibly high standards can scare people, as does my attention to do things as good as I can... and slight obsession over it... haha.
It's just how my brain works... no effort made, so it's a little rough on me, enough that I try to hide it. (I'm a little sad about this.)
I'm glad to know communication can help overcome this, as I like people in general, and mostly the differences and similitudes, so being intimidating can really play against me.
Well, thank you. I worked hard to understand so I appreciate it even more.Quote:
That's kind of cool how you can intellectualize Fe! It's useful to understand ethical things in an objective way, when possible. I even like it when I can have a logical perspective on my emotions because it feels more clarifying.
It's great that you mention liking having a step back about your feelings, we seem to do the same thing with opposing starting points. : P
Test results are soo fake. Don't believe on it.. They have this psychological term, i forgot what it is..
Lemme explain, people when answering tests tends to answer high on the things they're really low at, because it's like they wanna prove themselves on a specific aspect of their personality which is low. Like for example an ese who are low at Ne and TI will tend to answer high on Ne and Ti related stuffs because currently it's the one he's currently mastering
I have one friend he gets intp on mbti results. Like wut the actual fuck. He's not intp.. But esfj.. 🤣
Well the explanation of choosing the options of what you lack creates a bias of being something you're not in mbti tests.
I also had encountered esfp and estp which have intj results in their mbti tests.. But well actually and obviously they're estp/esfp..
Like, well it's flawed. Tests are flawed.
Yeah, soon after i was awarded the fields medal I...
Fuck no.
Hi @NorthernRose,
I don't mind you hiding in your introverted hole for a while, I often have to do the same thing or I get too stressed -_- I hope you don't mind, I've had to take a bit of a break lately, too.
Yes, I think this is true. Basically, the emotions communicate enough to me about what is going on, and I don't have to consciously analyze them much further. Of course, there are downsides to that approach, and you definitely need logic a lot of the time (for instance, you can't 'feel' your way through a math course, lol).Quote:
That's interesting, ethical people I know seem to feel and not think much of it, as if the feeling is enough for them. Seem. Maybe I just don't know what happens in their head... hmm...
Ahhh man lol, yes I do understand what you mean by this. I have to pour 100% of my focus to really analyze something logically, it's not something I can really do while talking to other people (or otherwise multi-tasking).Quote:
To know how I feel about someone or what they could have felt, I have to be alone and reflecting on it. That you can do it face-to-face sounds like sorcery to me. xD
Yeah it's true, viewing ILIs as 'critical' could just as easily be our bias. But if ILIs are more critical, I think it's a good thing. We need critics in society. I'm glad you can take that approach with other quadras, I've been trying the same thing. Sort of being open-minded about what works for them, while keeping your own judgement.Quote:
ILIs tend to be critics, but is it their biais or our? That's something to keep in mind. As I pass a lot of time with people from other quadras, I know that what I think is unconsistant or impractical can be appreciated by others and therefore let them have it how they like, the "best way" might suck for them... but I always notice when someone forgets to zip their pants... xD
Lol okay I see what you mean. 'Comparing' can have sort of a negative connotation of 'poor me, I have it worse than you/poor you'. We're evaluating/analyzing experiences, then, not comparing :)Quote:
Hm, that's just a small thing, but the word "compare" bothers me. I understand what you mean, as in sharing to see divergences and convergences, though compare is often used to talk about "X has this I don't have", or what is better or worse, and that's why it annoys me. It has a "bad" connotation I want to avoid.
It's how an ILI gets called "critic"... it's annoying, even for me to be like this. (My biais.)
What I were trying to do was just as you said though... lol.
Avebury mentioned to me that Dialectical-Algorithmic types doubt things constantly, so even this could point to you being ILI. It's good that you're keeping an open mind and considering all possible sides.Quote:
I do think the most likely type for me is ILI... even though I doubt it every other day, like everything else that it's possible to doubt. I know I'm not a "typical" ILI, it's still the only type that makes sense to me.
Ohh I see...well I don't think it's bad to be intimidating, and if you show a sincere interest in others like you've done for me, I don't think you need to worry about scaring them off...I can't help but be intimidated by ILIs, but I'm also flattered that you expressed an interest in my perspective and have created a conversation with me! It feels like a compliment from you. Also, for what it's worth to you, it's compliment from me when I see people as intimidating, haha.Quote:
> intimidating
It's a word often used about ILIs, I find it sad in a way. I don't know if you think I am, and I hope not, it's not how I want people to view me at all. I know my incredibly high standards can scare people, as does my attention to do things as good as I can... and slight obsession over it... haha.
It's just how my brain works... no effort made, so it's a little rough on me, enough that I try to hide it. (I'm a little sad about this.)
I think it makes you ideal for SEEs, that you tend to hold people to high standards. I've been in a relationship with a SEE man before, so I would know...They don't give up on living up to their partner's standards, as long as their partner sets them.
I'm happy to know that you like people in general :D So do I.Quote:
I'm glad to know communication can help overcome this, as I like people in general, and mostly the differences and similitudes, so being intimidating can really play against me.
You're welcome, I appreciate that you've been trying to understand my perspective as well!Quote:
Well, thank you. I worked hard to understand so I appreciate it even more.
It's great that you mention liking having a step back about your feelings, we seem to do the same thing with opposing starting points. : P
It's kind of interesting how we reason similarly, even though we use differing starting points, as you've said.
Well, you seem to use and value :Ne: more than a SEI type on average would do. :yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaiviay
(Contact subtype of SEI, :Fe: + :Ne:)
At least the quadra is correct as result. :thumbsup:
...and I think IEE with a strong focus on :Te:-HA can test as a logical type.
Well thanks! Yes, I think I am the contact subtype...and yup, got the quadra values right, anyhow!Quote:
Originally Posted by WinnieW
Yes that could be the case with the IEE, here.
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Originally Posted by Xaiviay
:love2: I must say, I was a bit scared of Fe's, no matter how silly that may sound, so you sharing freely with me is a gift.Quote:
You're welcome, I appreciate that you've been trying to understand my perspective as well!
It's kind of interesting how we reason similarly, even though we use differing starting points, as you've said.
In bold is the answer to a few very unrelated questions I had, thank you, and thanks Ave.
Do you ever have those moments? Where you get answers without having asked anything? It's creepy-amazing.
For some reasons I imagined bunnies hiding in their burrow. Cute fluffs.
Take the time you need, I have to do the same so.
I envy the emotional ease SEI seem to have, yet this is probably because I evolve in an environnement that requires a lot of it and I just can't after a while.
It's amazing because your giving me acces not only to your mind, but to that of a few other people I have to deal with, up to a certain point.
This forum and the openness to sharing between types and understanding of differences has made a big difference in my life already. Not only do I accept myself better, but others too. That is insane. (Random outburst of gratefulness.)
Eww math. I memorised my way through math, and drew in the corner of pages... even a few exams. Fun times.
I wonder, what is an Si's memory like, is this even explainable though? o.o
"Critic" can be a strong words, ILIs simply try to get the best out of stuff, which can sound like silly little details to others, I aim for realistic results yet often over deliver. That's how we are with ourself so we also are with others.
Analyzing/evaluating sounds great. My favorite to replace "comparing" is sharing. Personal taste. : 3
Oh, language biais. In english "intimidating" is more neutral than in french. French "intimidation" means "bullying" so it has a much worse connotation to me than to you. How fascinating.
Your comforting words hit the right spot, thank you, I do appreciate it.
SEEs... it sounds so against logic, counter intuitive... that's probably why it could work... I often think I'll only be able to date someone who can keep me out of my head, and they can do just that.
I'd appreciate someone who don't think I'm asking too much. I am this way after all.
It's in situations like this I can't help but think the concept of "qualities and flaws" is weird. What is a flaw to one can be a quality to an other. Perceptions and shmuggles. -w-b
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Originally Posted by NorthernRose
Yes I do understand...I'm scared of Te as you're probably aware. Maybe there's no cause for either of us to be scared, after all?Quote:
:love2: I must say, I was a bit scared of Fe's, no matter how silly that may sound, so you sharing freely with me is a gift.
Yes I agree, those moments are the best :D I'm glad it helped you! Thanks @Avebury :thumbsup:Quote:
In bold is the answer to a few very unrelated questions I had, thank you, and thanks Ave.
Do you ever have those moments? Where you get answers without having asked anything? It's creepy-amazing.
Yes, I like this image you came up with! Fluffy introverted bunnies, poking their heads out of their burrow to say 'hi'Quote:
For some reasons I imagined bunnies hiding in their burrow. Cute fluffs.
Take the time you need, I have to do the same so.
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Thank you, I appreciate that you understand! You take as much time as you need, also.
Thank you, this helps me to understand the ILI people I've met, too. Well if you ask me, you're doing pretty well with ethics, here. You're being sweet and kind, and making sure we understand each other's meanings. This will help me to appreciate the Fi gestures from Gamma NTs a bit more deeply. This is a prime example of why I love Socionics, it's really helpful with understanding other kinds of people!Quote:
I envy the emotional ease SEI seem to have, yet this is probably because I evolve in an environnement that requires a lot of it and I just can't after a while.
It's amazing because your giving me acces not only to your mind, but to that of a few other people I have to deal with, up to a certain point.
This forum and the openness to sharing between types and understanding of differences has made a big difference in my life already. Not only do I accept myself better, but others too. That is insane. (Random outburst of gratefulness.)
For what it's worth, I often envy ILIs and all Te-egos. With Te, I'm like a fish out of water. I wish everyone could have a dual since they make dealing with the PoLR so much easier. I filled out legal paperwork recently, and I think the customer service agent I got on the phone to help was ILE...at least he explained things to me in the way that only ILEs have, helping me instantly grasp the concepts and taking the stress off my PoLR. I'd been through multiple other phone calls and no one else had been able to help me understand in the way I needed, as well as he did. I felt so grateful to him.
Lol :)Quote:
Eww math. I memorised my way through math, and drew in the corner of pages... even a few exams. Fun times.
It's pretty easy to explain. I remember physical and emotional sensations (I guess since I'm feeling, a lot of sensory details get an emotional significance attached to them). A certain smell can take me back years to the last time I smelled it and the other things I was experiencing in that moment. I like things like clothes, flower arrangements, and hairstyles, so if I see a friend or a place with a nice aestheric, it'll get stored in my memory. I think muscle memory might be a part of it...I learn best from hands-on experience, and struggle to learn from auditory explanations or things I read. So yeah, that's the gist of it.Quote:
I wonder, what is an Si's memory like, is this even explainable though? o.o
I'm curious about the process of Te reasoning, what that's like for you, if you don't mind explaining that to me? :)
Ohh, yeah you don't aim to be critical, you just try to make the best of out stuff, right? That's not really a bad thing because everything/everyone has room for improvement...Quote:
"Critic" can be a strong words, ILIs simply try to get the best out of stuff, which can sound like silly little details to others, I aim for realistic results yet often over deliver. That's how we are with ourself so we also are with others.
'Sharing'--sounds more nice and friendly, we can go with that!Quote:
Analyzing/evaluating sounds great. My favorite to replace "comparing" is sharing. Personal taste. : 3
Oh dear, noo I don't think ILIs are bullies! Yes, I meant for it to have a more neutral and positive connotation, I'm glad you figured that out.Quote:
Oh, language biais. In english "intimidating" is more neutral than in french. French "intimidation" means "bullying" so it has a much worse connotation to me than to you. How fascinating.
Your comforting words hit the right spot, thank you, I do appreciate it.
You translate between French and English, then? I always appreciate it when people from other cultures are willing to speak English so we can communicate!
You're very welcome, I'm glad I helped you in some way!
Ahh...yeah, the first time I considered each dual couple I got so confused, including ILI-SEE. The first time I dualized with an ILE--I hadn't even discovered Socionics back then--but I was amazed by the ease of interaction I had with someone so very different from me. It's truly a beautiful experience...Your dual gives you everything you long for, at least psychologically-speaking, and appreciates you for what you most naturally give. A SEE could keep an ILI out of their head, and an ILI can give SEE the opportunity to show their full potential. I don't think you could easily ask for too much from a SEE, in this way.Quote:
SEEs... it sounds so against logic, counter intuitive... that's probably why it could work... I often think I'll only be able to date someone who can keep me out of my head, and they can do just that.
I'd appreciate someone who don't think I'm asking too much. I am this way after all.
I like this too~it's another way Socionics has helped me.Quote:
It's in situations like this I can't help but think the concept of "qualities and flaws" is weird. What is a flaw to one can be a quality to an other. Perceptions and shmuggles. -w-b
Edit: Oh goodness, I just realized how long this message is. You don't have to reply to all of it if you don't want to, feel free to just focus on whatever sections you want...
-take care, NorthernRose!
So many hearts. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Xaiviay
I didn't get that you're scared of Te honestly. When I think of it, it was as visible as the nose in the middle of the face though.
In a way, fear is a normal thing facing the unknown, yet we can grow out of it. Though when we think of it, it can suck an awful lot of energy.
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I like Marilyn Monroe. : 3
First, glad to know you think I'm decent on ethical plane, that's encouraging.Quote:
Thank you, this helps me to understand the ILI people I've met, too. Well if you ask me, you're doing pretty well with ethics, here. You're being sweet and kind, and making sure we understand each other's meanings. This will help me to appreciate the Fi gestures from Gamma NTs a bit more deeply. This is a prime example of why I love Socionics, it's really helpful with understanding other kinds of people!
For what it's worth, I often envy ILIs and all Te-egos. With Te, I'm like a fish out of water. I wish everyone could have a dual since they make dealing with the PoLR so much easier. I filled out legal paperwork recently, and I think the customer service agent I got on the phone to help was ILE...at least he explained things to me in the way that only ILEs have, helping me instantly grasp the concepts and taking the stress off my PoLR. I'd been through multiple other phone calls and no one else had been able to help me understand in the way I needed, as well as he did. I felt so grateful to him.
Lol :)
It's pretty easy to explain. I remember physical and emotional sensations (I guess since I'm feeling, a lot of sensory details get an emotional significance attached to them). A certain smell can take me back years to the last time I smelled it and the other things I was experiencing in that moment. I like things like clothes, flower arrangements, and hairstyles, so if I see a friend or a place with a nice aestheric, it'll get stored in my memory. I think muscle memory might be a part of it...I learn best from hands-on experience, and struggle to learn from auditory explanations or things I read. So yeah, that's the gist of it.
I'm curious about the process of Te reasoning, what that's like for you, if you don't mind explaining that to me? :)
I guess we all envy what we don't have, but those stupid paper are often ridiculous to understand, even Te's can struggle with those, though I get around alone about it.
It made think, I'm so used to PoLR stress I don't mind much anymore... it's like, life and not something that can be eased... interesting...
How your memory works, it happens to me to, but in a very seldom fashion. I don't care much for aesthetics though, I can enjoy them on the spot if I feel like, but I don't even see what I hung on my walls anymore. : 3
Te is kind of "if I want this, I have to do this" though it's likely influenced by Ni a lot... I'm not super strong on Te. An exemple is that I want harmonious interactions, therefore certain behaviours are to be favorised and others avoided. Not using insults and swear words is the safest, though I like swearing, so the way I act is thought out, calculated to give the result I want, hopefully. I don't exactly act "genuinly", yet it's by choice. Sometimes, that I do this makes me feel like a fake ass monster, but I know I simply couldn't do otherwise. I have chosen a way, and I'd rather stick to it than do as I wish. Ni shows the way, and Te finds how to get there... doesn't mean those two go anywhere though. xD
I always thought Te to be the easiest function to understand, maybe it's just me. -w-b
The difference is that, you feel it while I have thought it through and decided for a method of interaction.
Te also dislikes hazy Ti systems. The theory of socionics does not interest me at all, but the empirical data around the forum is like a gold mine for me.
I hope this helps... hmm... lol
If one is Te critical on a Te PoLR... it can cause stress and anger. Per say, if someone tells me I could have done better in an Fe situation, it can upset me very much. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter.Quote:
Ohh, yeah you don't aim to be critical, you just try to make the best of out stuff, right? That's not really a bad thing because everything/everyone has room for improvement...
:love2: : 3Quote:
'Sharing'--sounds more nice and friendly, we can go with that!
No, I don't translate, I learned english when I was around 10-11 from video games. "Intimidation" is a word both in english and french, the defintions are simply different.Quote:
Oh dear, noo I don't think ILIs are bullies! Yes, I meant for it to have a more neutral and positive connotation, I'm glad you figured that out.
You translate between French and English, then? I always appreciate it when people from other cultures are willing to speak English so we can communicate!
You're very welcome, I'm glad I helped you in some way!
It's actually enjoyable to talk to Fe egos when I don't have to abuse my weak Fe. You people can be sweet and enthousiastic and I can enjoy it when not stressed.
What a ravishing dream it is, this duality! The wrost is, I can see it...Quote:
Ahh...yeah, the first time I considered each dual couple I got so confused, including ILI-SEE. The first time I dualized with an ILE--I hadn't even discovered Socionics back then--but I was amazed by the ease of interaction I had with someone so very different from me. It's truly a beautiful experience...Your dual gives you everything you long for, at least psychologically-speaking, and appreciates you for what you most naturally give. A SEE could keep an ILI out of their head, and an ILI can give SEE the opportunity to show their full potential. I don't think you could easily ask for too much from a SEE, in this way.
Slice of life : I did kiss an awful lot of people a while back, mostly for stupid reasons, felt nothing at all, yet there's this one person I really enjoyed kissing and she was likely a SEE...
I know I just have no other option with how my brain is wired. -3-
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I like this too~it's another way Socionics has helped me.
Edit: Oh goodness, I just realized how long this message is. You don't have to reply to all of it if you don't want to, feel free to just focus on whatever sections you want...
-take care, NorthernRose!
I'm fine with long messages. I love thick books brcause they are thick. : P
Haha, I kept the bunnies out... I kind of oopsed them away...
Hi!
http://i.imgur.com/OOCUXrZ.jpg
Take care too. : 3
Yes, fear can always be grown out of! I like Marilyn Monroe, too <3 That's a good quote, always uplifts me. Here's two of my favorites:Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernRose
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And more hearts for you :love2: !
Yes, you really are more than decent at ethics, from what I'm seeing.Quote:
First, glad to know you think I'm decent on ethical plane, that's encouraging.
I guess we all envy what we don't have, but those stupid paper are often ridiculous to understand, even Te's can struggle with those, though I get around alone about it.
It made think, I'm so used to PoLR stress I don't mind much anymore... it's like, life and not something that can be eased... interesting...
Well it makes me feel a little better to know that even Te's can struggle with legal things.
You sound like you handle Fe with maturity. I guess you've lived with people who expect a lot of Fe from you? I've also found that it's almost impossible to escape stress on my PoLR. You have to either avoid necessary activities, or have the help of a dual, I think.
I see! It's interesting to see the differences in priorities between types, what they pay attention to.Quote:
How your memory works, it happens to me to, but in a very seldom fashion. I don't care much for aesthetics though, I can enjoy them on the spot if I feel like, but I don't even see what I hung on my walls anymore. : 3
That makes sense. Yeah...it's funny because when you explain it, it sounds like such a basic thing, but still it's pretty hard for me to do :confused2: When I try to think about what's necessary to accomplish a goal, I usually miss a ton of considerations. Unless the goal was really, really simple. Well, both my Ni and Te are pretty weak, so that's not suprising. I'm always amazed by how well Ni-leads can judge the coming course of events.Quote:
Te is kind of "if I want this, I have to do this" though it's likely influenced by Ni a lot... I'm not super strong on Te. An exemple is that I want harmonious interactions, therefore certain behaviours are to be favorised and others avoided. Not using insults and swear words is the safest, though I like swearing, so the way I act is thought out, calculated to give the result I want, hopefully. I don't exactly act "genuinly", yet it's by choice. Sometimes, that I do this makes me feel like a fake ass monster, but I know I simply couldn't do otherwise. I have chosen a way, and I'd rather stick to it than do as I wish. Ni shows the way, and Te finds how to get there... doesn't mean those two go anywhere though. xD
I always thought Te to be the easiest function to understand, maybe it's just me. -w-b
The difference is that, you feel it while I have thought it through and decided for a method of interaction.
Yeah, avoiding swearing isn't bad or anything...it's more like being considerate to the other person, I think. Unless they are fine with swearing. Socializing does take some purposeful calculation, most of the time. It's the best experience when you find someone you can just be yourself, with, though.
This does help, thanks for the explanations. I look at LIEs and it almost baffles me to wonder what it must be like inside their minds. Well, your description of Te is pretty simple and straightforward, so now I think I understand it. I get how you don't really like the Ti system itself, but you like the data from this forum. Interesting, I love the system itself (it helps my mobilizing function, I guess).Quote:
Te also dislikes hazy Ti systems. The theory of socionics does not interest me at all, but the empirical data around the forum is like a gold mine for me.
I hope this helps... hmm... lol
Yes, it's very stressful, hahaQuote:
If one is Te critical on a Te PoLR... it can cause stress and anger.
Yes, I do understand how that would be.Quote:
Per say, if someone tells me I could have done better in an Fe situation, it can upset me very much. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter.
How is it when an Fe person is trying to impact your emotions? Do you dislike it, or is it mixed? Or is it mostly just the pressure to display/use Fe that bothers your PoLR? --Only if you don't mind telling me--
You learned from video games? Wow, that's pretty impressive! Oh okay, so that's how 'intimidation' is in French.Quote:
No, I don't translate, I learned english when I was around 10-11 from video games. "Intimidation" is a word both in english and french, the defintions are simply different.
It's actually enjoyable to talk to Fe egos when I don't have to abuse my weak Fe. You people can be sweet and enthousiastic and I can enjoy it when not stressed.
Thank you, that's very nice to hear :D :love2:
I often enjoy Gamma NTs too, it can be very fun to discuss and evaluate the value of ideas with you.
Really, duality is pretty incredible, when the subtypes are compatible...Some people say it's overrated, but in my experience (at least) this is not true at all. Although I've never actually had a romantic relationship with one, yet. Still everytime I talked to one, he left me feeling better than usual for weeks afterward. It's a strong effect and hard to explain.Quote:
What a ravishing dream it is, this duality! The wrost is, I can see it...
Slice of life : I did kiss an awful lot of people a while back, mostly for stupid reasons, felt nothing at all, yet there's this one person I really enjoyed kissing and she was likely a SEE...
I know I just have no other option with how my brain is wired. -3-
Ahhh, that's good that you found someone at least who you really enjoyed kissing. That's interesting how you said you felt nothing at all, except for that one. SEEs might be good at waking up an ILI to the immediate experience? Lol, it sounds like you had a nice experience.
I know a SEE who's bisexual, she says she'd be happy with either gender. I've tried to recommend ILIs to her but I think she finds them out of her league. Her family is pretty Alpha and Delta, so she probably doesn't have much experience with them, yet. I want her to meet a ILI one day and see what happens.
I've never actually kissed my dual before...I wonder :confused: I've only actually talked with them.
Oh okay, good to know thank you :)Quote:
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I'm fine with long messages. I love thick books brcause they are thick. : P
Haha, I kept the bunnies out... I kind of oopsed them away...
Hi!
http://i.imgur.com/OOCUXrZ.jpg
Take care too. : 3
Hello, there :wave:
Thank you!
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Nice, I have these Marilyn quotes too. : PQuote:
Originally Posted by Xaiviay
I want to mention that I'm very tired so it will show in my comment and that I'm doing alright beside this.
Even Ts have to learn to deal with Tish domains, we aren't born with the knowledge related to our predilection domains, some simply comes faster than others. You had to learn Fe-ish stuff, yet it was easy to you and no big deal, while I'm struggling with it as you are Te-ish stuff.
I even doubt my type(again), I just act too ethicaly decently... I want to be ESE today. *^*
I was born female and it is thought that around 75% of females are Fs. Beside my mother, that I think is SLE with stabbing Fe moments and one woman I see sometimes who seems LSE, I've been around Fs. More Fe's I think.
So, in all honesty, I do feel more comfortable around Fs than Ts because I'm used to it. Though, it tiring. *says I did something challenging* "Oh! You must be so proud!" and my brain goes blank and I'm confused... why would I feel proud? ... why would I feel at all? I just did...
*talks of a thought* "how do you fell about it?" I didn't know I was supposed to feel about it...
I honestly don't understand when people try to impact my emotions, sometimes it works after a while and it usually makes me hate myself for acting "off"... well, that just sparked a reflexion.
I often just don't react and they stop bothering with me, yet some are very willful and push up to the point I'd say is toxic for both of us.
It's as if someone was asking me for something in chinese, and if they, per example, point at their wrist, they could be asking for time, or if I've seen a watch around. Sometimes I give the "right" answer, sometimes I don't.
When someone really "pokes" at my Fe, I end up feeling like garbage because I take it as "I'm weak and I have a problem"... I'm just realizing it as I'm writing it.
I'm a idiot and my thoughts are all wrong about this. (This sounds harsh and uncomfortable, but it's liberating to me. I'm really not a fan of comfort.) xD
Some people don't see me as T still, sometimes I wonder how reliable the stuff I tell you is, though, I'm an odd case if I really am ILI.
I find it strange when you say you have difficulty with "think[ing] about what's necessary to accomplish a goal, I usually miss a ton of considerations.", it's weird to me, who overplans at times... hehe.
It's just extremely basic to me how Te is... Ni is a different story, what a mess is that thing, lord!
Usually, I don't bother Ni-ing much, because a lot of people really hate when I do and what I suggest does not feel good to them (Te PoLR? Ni PoLR?), so I gave it up and trust time to take care of itself while I say stupid stuff around or mind my own business.
In all honesty, LIEs baffle me too at times, that Te so stronk!
What's Fe like to you? How does it feels when people don't answer well to it? Do you... ever feel guilty about it? (I do feel guilty about Fe stuff at times, that's why I'm asking.)
>I often enjoy Gamma NTs too, it can be very fun to discuss and evaluate the value of ideas with you.
:love2: I like to see the depth of other functions and learn to "value" them as they are in others.
Ah! Duals!
I think how we experience it differs from type to type. I'm supposed to be hard to get for it to happen, so I guess it goes with my being lukewarm about it.
That SEE I'm talking was 15 and I was 16, back in high school... she had a boyfriend also... xD
It was nothing big, just a peck, though I still remember how it felt. It did happen three times... lol.
I had no interest in taking things further, even though I had occasions...
I think we were too young for anything serious to happen, I'm still too young now.
I do think ILI-SEE is something that takes time and two people tired of their ego functions, as we both by nature live very far from another.
I'm not so sure as to how ILE-SEI works though... I bearly read a few lines of duality descriptions as someone recommanded it for typing purpose... it was a nightmare. xD
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An IEE-Ne subtype with strengthened inert functions of Ne/Ni/Te/Ti (in order of dimensional strength) can look more like an introverted Gamma NT (ILI) according to Meged and Ovcharov's 'Contact and Inert Subtypes' article. I can see that being the case with those functions strengthened. Weakened contact functions generally make you look more introverted, especially to outside people, and stronger (Ne) combined with weaker (Fi) makes you less feeling-orientated and more curious/investigative.
On a personal note, I've typed as LII-Ne, EII-Ne, SLI-Si, LSE-Si and most recently IEE-Ne, so I'm sure it's possible.
Yeah, me in a nutshell. I can come across to a pseudo ILI on the surface to people that don't know me well, but anyone who truly knows me, will see me as IEE.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyW
No worries! I can see it a little bit, but it's not obvious. I hope you're getting good rest latelyQuote:
Originally Posted by NorthernRose
Oh that's a good point. Both are easier to learn for their respective types, but don't come completely naturally.Quote:
Even Ts have to learn to deal with Tish domains, we aren't born with the knowledge related to our predilection domains, some simply comes faster than others. You had to learn Fe-ish stuff, yet it was easy to you and no big deal, while I'm struggling with it as you are Te-ish stuff.
I've seen people talking about your type around the forum and I was thinking about that. Well, one thing I would like to point out is that it's not unusual for people to try to practice and demonstrate their hidden agenda, especially on sites like this where they have more control over how they present themselves (you can spend a long time typing up a comment, when in real life it would take longer to come up with the same talking points). So, you could be using your Fi on here more obviously than you would irl.Quote:
I even doubt my type(again), I just act too ethicaly decently... I want to be ESE today. *^*
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Some people don't see me as T still, sometimes I wonder how reliable the stuff I tell you is, though, I'm an odd case if I really am ILI.
I notice myself doing this with Ti, and Ne...
This is interesting, my mother is the same way as you here...I'm pretty sure she is ESI (not saying you are) so she's Gamma, too. Honestly, picturing some Fe's trying to boost the feelings of ILI and having absolutely no effect is kind of funny. They're trying to support ILI's accomplishment and ILI is just like "what? I wasn't aware I was supposed to feel anything..."Quote:
I was born female and it is thought that around 75% of females are Fs. Beside my mother, that I think is SLE with stabbing Fe moments and one woman I see sometimes who seems LSE, I've been around Fs. More Fe's I think.
So, in all honesty, I do feel more comfortable around Fs than Ts because I'm used to it. Though, it tiring. *says I did something challenging* "Oh! You must be so proud!" and my brain goes blank and I'm confused... why would I feel proud? ... why would I feel at all? I just did...
*talks of a thought* "how do you fell about it?" I didn't know I was supposed to feel about it...
Fe missed the mark, obviously
Well, maybe I shouldn't have asked 'how you feel' about it, but thanks for answering my question anyways. You hate yourself for acting 'off' when it works...oh, this I understand. The example of speaking Chinese is interesting, too. Like it's just not a 'language' that resonates with you. And if someone pressures you too hard to show Fe, it does seem like they're saying you have a problem for not showing it. Well, that's not good. I grew up around a bunch of Betas who pressured me into showing the right emotions when I was too shy, so I think this is a bad way to use Fe.Quote:
I honestly don't understand when people try to impact my emotions, sometimes it works after a while and it usually makes me hate myself for acting "off"... well, that just sparked a reflexion.
I often just don't react and they stop bothering with me, yet some are very willful and push up to the point I'd say is toxic for both of us.
It's as if someone was asking me for something in chinese, and if they, per example, point at their wrist, they could be asking for time, or if I've seen a watch around. Sometimes I give the "right" answer, sometimes I don't.
When someone really "pokes" at my Fe, I end up feeling like garbage because I take it as "I'm weak and I have a problem"... I'm just realizing it as I'm writing it.
I guess sometimes, when I'm trying to make someone feel something and it doesn't work, I feel insecure about it. So sometimes Fe egos might be projecting their insecurities and making it like you're the one with the problem, when you don't actually have one.
We are very different here, on comfort xD But I do agree that there's nothing wrong or weak about not wanting to participate in so much Fe. Anyways...for what that's worth to you.Quote:
I'm a idiot and my thoughts are all wrong about this. (This sounds harsh and uncomfortable, but it's liberating to me. I'm really not a fan of comfort.) xD
We are different :content: I'd love for Te to become more easy to me too, lol.Quote:
I find it strange when you say you have difficulty with "think[ing] about what's necessary to accomplish a goal, I usually miss a ton of considerations.", it's weird to me, who overplans at times... hehe.
It's just extremely basic to me how Te is...
Ni is very mysterious to me...it's hard to imagine what it must be like to use it all the time. And on LIEs, phew, I'm glad I'm not the only one!Quote:
Ni is a different story, what a mess is that thing, lord!
Usually, I don't bother Ni-ing much, because a lot of people really hate when I do and what I suggest does not feel good to them (Te PoLR? Ni PoLR?), so I gave it up and trust time to take care of itself while I say stupid stuff around or mind my own business.
In all honesty, LIEs baffle me too at times, that Te so stronk!
Lets see...Fe is energizing and exciting. I love exploring things that make me feel a variety of emotions, and sharing those emotions with others who are interested. Fe feels dynamic, intense, and colorful...and lastly, for me at least, it's mostly emotions as things to be enjoyed, not taken too seriously.Quote:
What's Fe like to you? How does it feels when people don't answer well to it? Do you... ever feel guilty about it? (I do feel guilty about Fe stuff at times, that's why I'm asking.)
I do see the importance of Fi though, even if it's not my valued IM.
If others don't answer well to it, I might feel like I've failed, lol. With Fe-PoLRs, I feel like I'm 'flying blind' because my main ability to connect with people doesn't work anymore.
Sometimes I feel embarassed if it's not received well, but I only feel guilty if I've done something harmful to them D:
It makes sense that you would feel guilty about it, if you've been pressured to use it a lot in your life, and it's your PoLR. I think it's unnecessary guilt.
:love2: :D Same with meQuote:
:love2: I like to see the depth of other functions and learn to "value" them as they are in others.
Yeah no kidding, I imagine SEE-ILI would be one of the hardest dual relationships to make happen...it's good that you're being lukewarm about it, probably, since you are supposed to be hard to get :content:Quote:
Ah! Duals!
I think how we experience it differs from type to type. I'm supposed to be hard to get for it to happen, so I guess it goes with my being lukewarm about it.
That SEE I'm talking was 15 and I was 16, back in high school... she had a boyfriend also... xD
It was nothing big, just a peck, though I still remember how it felt. It did happen three times... lol.
I had no interest in taking things further, even though I had occasions...
I think we were too young for anything serious to happen, I'm still too young now.
I do think ILI-SEE is something that takes time and two people tired of their ego functions, as we both by nature live very far from another.
You had...occasions? :rolleyes:
I think all SEEs should read socionics so they'll start pursuing the ILIs some more xD
Lol! I thought the SEE-ILI duality descriptions sounded like a nightmare, too xD Well, at least we know what kind of relationships we don't want, respectively.Quote:
I'm not so sure as to how ILE-SEI works though... I bearly read a few lines of duality descriptions as someone recommanded it for typing purpose... it was a nightmare. xD
:3 <3
Hope you're having a lovely day~
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Nope... I'm having a shitty time, just trying to survive. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Xaiviay
Nobody is born a chef or whatever. : )
Pros of typing forum: typings. : )Quote:
I've seen people talking about your type around the forum and I was thinking about that. Well, one thing I would like to point out is that it's not unusual for people to try to practice and demonstrate their hidden agenda, especially on sites like this where they have more control over how they present themselves (you can spend a long time typing up a comment, when in real life it would take longer to come up with the same talking points). So, you could be using your Fi on here more obviously than you would irl.
I notice myself doing this with Ti, and Ne...
Cons of typing forums: typings... :red:
I can see you doing Ti... but Ne eludes me completely... xD
My favorite function is Fi honestly, I think it's much better than... Ni...
One thing about Ni leads is that they seem to be very selective over fellow "Ni's"... that function is a self-righteous piece of garbage in many ways. -w-b
And anyway, who wants to be some cold inhuman critic lazy a-hole? ESI sounds much more "life-friendly" than ILI anyways.
I sometimes grow inecplicably angry at some people and want to tell them they are so WRONG, it's unbearable... than I realize it's opposing quadra values...Quote:
This is interesting, my mother is the same way as you here...I'm pretty sure she is ESI (not saying you are) so she's Gamma, too. Honestly, picturing some Fe's trying to boost the feelings of ILI and having absolutely no effect is kind of funny. They're trying to support ILI's accomplishment and ILI is just like "what? I wasn't aware I was supposed to feel anything..."
Fe missed the mark, obviously.
... though after realizing it's opposing quadra, I stop caring about "wrongs".
I have never had that with you.
Opposing functions rubbing against one other can be aggravating, though I don't think we all live it the same way... sometimes, I just see the Se and Si or Fe and Fi irritating each others and causing similar "ego no froh" things. (froh is german for glad... thought it sounded well.)
Oh, ask with your words, it's fine. I know you talk ethical, that's what you are after all. Even Fe PoLR have feelings that need out sometimes and I think it's important to learn to do so.Quote:
Well, maybe I shouldn't have asked 'how you feel' about it, but thanks for answering my question anyways. You hate yourself for acting 'off' when it works...oh, this I understand. The example of speaking Chinese is interesting, too. Like it's just not a 'language' that resonates with you. And if someone pressures you too hard to show Fe, it does seem like they're saying you have a problem for not showing it. Well, that's not good. I grew up around a bunch of Betas who pressured me into showing the right emotions when I was too shy, so I think this is a bad way to use Fe.
I guess sometimes, when I'm trying to make someone feel something and it doesn't work, I feel insecure about it. So sometimes Fe egos might be projecting their insecurities and making it like you're the one with the problem, when you don't actually have one.
(It's funny both feelings and sensations are "felt"...)
Communication helps an awful lot on this point. Recently, less people are Fe-ing at me up to the point of hurt as after talking about certain things, they understand a bit better it does not work... though I wish I knew more people who knew socionics irl... would make things easier. -w-b
Yeah, though many people irl think I'm a cute nesting bird. -w-bQuote:
We are very different here, on comfort xD But I do agree that there's nothing wrong or weak about not wanting to participate in so much Fe. Anyways...for what that's worth to you.
We are different :content: I'd love for Te to become more easy to me too, lol.
(Because they are.)
Ni is stupid and should be banned! lol... it's abstract as hell and quite unconscious, like I start to write and I'm surprised at where it goes. It has a certain arrogance... I wouldn't wish that on my worst ennemis... though I'd be likely to make ennemis with ILIs... xDQuote:
Ni is very mysterious to me...it's hard to imagine what it must be like to use it all the time. And on LIEs, phew, I'm glad I'm not the only one!
Can you see LIEs Fi seeking? It's adorable. : 3
I really like Fi a lot... xD
Energizing and exciting... I don't like that... :grumpycat:Quote:
Lets see...Fe is energizing and exciting. I love exploring things that make me feel a variety of emotions, and sharing those emotions with others who are interested. Fe feels dynamic, intense, and colorful...and lastly, for me at least, it's mostly emotions as things to be enjoyed, not taken too seriously.
I do see the importance of Fi though, even if it's not my valued IM.
If others don't answer well to it, I might feel like I've failed, lol. With Fe-PoLRs, I feel like I'm 'flying blind' because my main ability to connect with people doesn't work anymore.
Sometimes I feel embarassed if it's not received well, but I only feel guilty if I've done something harmful to them D:
It makes sense that you would feel guilty about it, if you've been pressured to use it a lot in your life, and it's your PoLR. I think it's unnecessary guilt.
You use words I dread to describe Fe... how fascinating.
Do you... have... feelings in your dreams? If you remember them of course.
"Flying blind"... that is mutual.
A lot of guilt is useless... though I only feel guilt in useless situations... I have no remorse nor regrets for "harmful" things... sometimes I worry I might be a psychopath... but psychopaths don't worry about this so... I'm just heartless... xD
Truth is, I think harshness is the greatest teacher... #metaphorical-slap-to-the-face-team. -w-b
I know this opinion is not shared by many.
I'm like supposed to be a cat or something : yes, you can pet me, that’s enough, give me attention, I want to be alone, let's play, feed me and go away... xDQuote:
:love2: :D Same with me
Yeah no kidding, I imagine SEE-ILI would be one of the hardest dual relationships to make happen...it's good that you're being lukewarm about it, probably, since you are supposed to be hard to get :content:
You had...occasions? :rolleyes:
I think all SEEs should read socionics so they'll start pursuing the ILIs some more xD
Lol! I thought the SEE-ILI duality descriptions sounded like a nightmare, too xD Well, at least we know what kind of relationships we don't want, respectively.
I can barely imagine someone masochistic enough to bare with this. -w-b
... I also think that's toxic behaviour...
occasions I'm actually glad I didn't bother with. : P
Nice quote!Quote:
... I hope your day is better than mine. xD
Ahh :( That's too bad NorthernRose...anything you need to, idk, vent about? Or just talk about?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernRose
Of course I understand if you don't want to with a stranger on the internet,
Lol! Yup...that was my first thought upon coming in here and reading "you can't be SEI; your intro is too big"Quote:
Pros of typing forum: typings. : )
Cons of typing forums: typings... :red:
Ehh, WinnieW mentioned that I seemed stronger on Ne than most SEIs (which I was very flattered by, of course) but I might not be using it much with you idkQuote:
I can see you doing Ti... but Ne eludes me completely... xD
You like Fi the most, huh? Fi is what keeps the world from being full of evil a*sholes, that's for sure...Quote:
My favorite function is Fi honestly, I think it's much better than... Ni...
One thing about Ni leads is that they seem to be very selective over fellow "Ni's"... that function is a self-righteous piece of garbage in many ways. -w-b
And anyway, who wants to be some cold inhuman critic lazy a-hole? ESI sounds much more "life-friendly" than ILI anyways.
Idk, ESIs have my admiration and respect, but so do ILIs in their own way. I actually am attracted to a lot of ILIs, but I know we'd rub each other very wrong after too much time D: Is Ni critical? I think it has good reason to be, it's gotta lead Se down a constructive road. Uhh..it's hardest for me to appreciate the Se love style, for sure. It seems to me that it's the most likely to use somebody for all their worth and then leave them behind. I guess it's just not my cup of tea.
When I was dating SEE back in high school, I thought all the time "he'd love me so much more if I was not so easily pleased" I'm not saying that because I think it's what you want to hear, either.
Well, you could be ESI anyway. I don't really know from interacting with you over the internet...It's impossible to be sure.
Well thank you for letting me know that, I feel quite reassured~Quote:
I sometimes grow inecplicably angry at some people and want to tell them they are so WRONG, it's unbearable... than I realize it's opposing quadra values...
... though after realizing it's opposing quadra, I stop caring about "wrongs".
I have never had that with you.
Opposing functions rubbing against one other can be aggravating, though I don't think we all live it the same way... sometimes, I just see the Se and Si or Fe and Fi irritating each others and causing similar "ego no froh" things. (froh is german for glad... thought it sounded well.)
I've never had that problem with you, either.
I get the same anger, honestly. It's so exasperating. Then I remember 'quadra values' and let it go...
'ego no froh' indeed :lol:
I appreciate your understanding! Yes I notice that too, it's kind of hard to divorce sensations and emotions anyways, for me. Idk if it is for you too? Might just be an SF thing.Quote:
Oh, ask with your words, it's fine. I know you talk ethical, that's what you are after all. Even Fe PoLR have feelings that need out sometimes and I think it's important to learn to do so.
(It's funny both feelings and sensations are "felt"...)
Oh that's really good that communicating your perspective has helped on this!! Indeed, if others knew Socionics a lot of things would be easier to communicate...I wonder if there'd be a lot less conflict among different people, too (like unnecessary conflict)Quote:
Communication helps an awful lot on this point. Recently, less people are Fe-ing at me up to the point of hurt as after talking about certain things, they understand a bit better it does not work... though I wish I knew more people who knew socionics irl... would make things easier. -w-b
SEIs projecting? Or do you think you really are a cute nesting bird? heheQuote:
Yeah, though many people irl think I'm a cute nesting bird. -w-b
(Because they are.)
Lol xD idk I like Ni...all IMs are arrogant, even Si :PQuote:
Ni is stupid and should be banned! lol... it's abstract as hell and quite unconscious, like I start to write and I'm surprised at where it goes. It has a certain arrogance... I wouldn't wish that on my worst ennemis... though I'd be likely to make ennemis with ILIs... xD
Can you see LIEs Fi seeking? It's adorable. : 3
I really like Fi a lot... xD
I can see their Fi-seeking and I agree it is adorable :D It's like they work so hard to be ethically conscientious (esp. towards the people closest to them) and they just want to know they are doing a decent job at it...
Fi is good.
Lol, really?! How ironic...you hate those words, I love those words...Quote:
Energizing and exciting... I don't like that... :grumpycat:
You use words I dread to describe Fe... how fascinating.
Do you... have... feelings in your dreams? If you remember them of course.
Yeah my dreams are saturated with feelings. I remember the feelings better than what actually happens in them. I get physical sensations in my dreams, too. Tastes, too...sometimes even physical pain...very SF?
Do you get any of these in your dreams? Do you get other things?
I find lucid dreaming fascinating and I'm trying to learn how to do it...
Oy vey 0_0 how very Gamma...well I'm loathe to admit it, but harshness is an excellent teacher at least in some circumstances...that's about the extent I can agree with it. AhaQuote:
Flying blind"... that is mutual.
A lot of guilt is useless... though I only feel guilt in useless situations... I have no remorse nor regrets for "harmful" things... sometimes I worry I might be a psychopath... but psychopaths don't worry about this so... I'm just heartless... xD
Truth is, I think harshness is the greatest teacher... #metaphorical-slap-to-the-face-team. -w-b
I know this opinion is not shared by many.
I highly doubt you're a psychopath, but if it helps I sometimes wonder the same thing :doh: when I get too tired to empathize with others.
I'm on #love-and-tender-care-team, rofl
Well...in the mind of Se-base, the hardest-to-win person is the most valuable. "No pain, no gain"-a common phrase they speak.Quote:
I'm like supposed to be a cat or something : yes, you can pet me, that’s enough, give me attention, I want to be alone, let's play, feed me and go away... xD
I can barely imagine someone masochistic enough to bare with this. -w-b
... I also think that's toxic behaviour...
It seems toxic to me, too, but then again the Se aggressor style does, too. It must not be toxic for everybody.
Do you think you behave that way, or are you just thinking it over?
Ahhh, I have some of those too.Quote:
occasions I'm actually glad I didn't bother with. : P
Thank you, my day is good actually, but that's too bad that yours is not :/Quote:
Nice quote!
... I hope your day is better than mine. xD
Here's a book for you:
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So it seems like you're thinking seriously about being ESI, now? Are you leaning either way in particular?
What can I even say? I'll survive. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaiviay
Today was terrible... and actually productive... so a good day in the end... (logic got screwed over harshly here... xD)
Haha, I can't be ILI because I use hearts :love2: and post cat pictures... it's ridiculous sometimes... :exageratedsigh: : PQuote:
Lol! Yup...that was my first thought upon coming in here and reading "you can't be SEI; your intro is too big"
I think I simply don't see Ne much anywhere ... ignoring function problems maybe?Quote:
Ehh, WinnieW mentioned that I seemed stronger on Ne than most SEIs (which I was very flattered by, of course) but I might not be using it much with you idk
I don’t even know where to look for Ne... I don't care I think?
Ne is like silly jokes and ridiculous ideas... in my head not in reality.
Now that I think of it... only two functions make sense to me... Te and Ni... '-'
Ye, Fi looks like some shiny pretty thing to me... but I know it's an incomplete vision I have of it.Quote:
You like Fi the most, huh? Fi is what keeps the world from being full of evil a*sholes, that's for sure...
Idk, ESIs have my admiration and respect, but so do ILIs in their own way. I actually am attracted to a lot of ILIs, but I know we'd rub each other very wrong after too much time D: Is Ni critical? I think it has good reason to be, it's gotta lead Se down a constructive road. Uhh..it's hardest for me to appreciate the Se love style, for sure. It seems to me that it's the most likely to use somebody for all their worth and then leave them behind. I guess it's just not my cup of tea.
I think all function can be critical in its own way, Ni just has a "self-righteous" touch to it sometimes... I had one of those "it's time to move" day today... bulldozer like... and sometimes, I can have the opposite, a day where doing what I'm "supposed" to do angers me to no end... so I drop it and things turn out better this way. It's... odd.
I haven't read much on duality, because it bores me too much, though, it seem that all dual pairs keep eachother from their possible worst. It seems like crunchy process for most still.
Wow.Quote:
When I was dating SEE back in high school, I thought all the time "he'd love me so much more if I was not so easily pleased" I'm not saying that because I think it's what you want to hear, either.
I often thought that I'll never find anyone because I'm too difficult to please... o.o
If I were, I'd live much better in ethical settings than I am now. Same conclusion as before. Doubting is like, my main quirk. : 3Quote:
Well, you could be ESI anyway. I don't really know from interacting with you over the internet...It's impossible to be sure.
Yay! :love2:Quote:
Well thank you for letting me know that, I feel quite reassured~
I've never had that problem with you, either.
I get the same anger, honestly. It's so exasperating. Then I remember 'quadra values' and let it go...
'ego no froh' indeed :lol:
: )Quote:
I appreciate your understanding! Yes I notice that too, it's kind of hard to divorce sensations and emotions anyways, for me. Idk if it is for you too? Might just be an SF thing.
... I think, words matter a lot to you? Like sorry or thank you...
Well... I know I'm having an emotion because I feel it in my body.
Oh, if people want to fight, they will find a way.Quote:
Oh that's really good that communicating your perspective has helped on this!! Indeed, if others knew Socionics a lot of things would be easier to communicate...I wonder if there'd be a lot less conflict among different people, too (like unnecessary conflict)
I have a cushion corner I barely use, and I’m currently sitting on the floor with my back against my bed... if I nest, I do it very poorly... xDQuote:
SEIs projecting? Or do you think you really are a cute nesting bird? hehe.
I think SEI seems to take time to make a place a home and enjoy their comfort. I'm more for :
http://i.imgur.com/qZwVyhr.jpg
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Fi is fluffle buns and rainbows! *^*Quote:
Lol xD idk I like Ni...all IMs are arrogant, even Si :P
I can see their Fi-seeking and I agree it is adorable :D It's like they work so hard to be ethically conscientious (esp. towards the people closest to them) and they just want to know they are doing a decent job at it...
Fi is good.
http://i.imgur.com/Lku3pgO.jpg
I like calm, expressionless, serene, neutral... words like that. ♡Quote:
Lol, really?! How ironic...you hate those words, I love those words...
Yeah my dreams are saturated with feelings. I remember the feelings better than what actually happens in them. I get physical sensations in my dreams, too. Tastes, too...sometimes even physical pain...very SF?
Do you get any of these in your dreams? Do you get other things?
I find lucid dreaming fascinating and I'm trying to learn how to do it...
No emotions in my dreams. I wrote about them in this thread, if you want to read or share too. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...nics-types/#11 : P
Haha, ye. xDQuote:
Oy vey 0_0 how very Gamma...well I'm loathe to admit it, but harshness is an excellent teacher at least in some circumstances...that's about the extent I can agree with it. Aha
I highly doubt you're a psychopath, but if it helps I sometimes wonder the same thing :doh: when I get too tired to empathize with others.
I'm on #love-and-tender-care-team, rofl
Sometimes, we all need tender care, some more often than others.
It does help. I had a talk with someone about empathy today, it's popular meaning is highly linked to feelings, yet it's more complex than that.
I can understand "no pain, no gain", though it's more of a necessity than a motto to me. Se seems to make quite a few people uncomfortable.Quote:
Well...in the mind of Se-base, the hardest-to-win person is the most valuable. "No pain, no gain"-a common phrase they speak.
It seems toxic to me, too, but then again the Se aggressor style does, too. It must not be toxic for everybody.
Do you think you behave that way, or are you just thinking it over?
I need time alone, I need space, my skin being overly sensitive means I can't always deal with touch... Somedays, I just want to be left alone... so I guess I'm kind of like a cat... I have been called a cat from kindergarden and on... lol.
Glad to know your day went well. : )Quote:
Ahhh, I have some of those too.
Thank you, my day is good actually, but that's too bad that yours is not :/
Here's a book for you:
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So it seems like you're thinking seriously about being ESI, now? Are you leaning either way in particular?
I'm doing much better now than when I started writing this reply in the afternoon.
I can't see myself as a J type or an E type... leaves Si and Ni... and since I say stuff that are considered "so Si devaluing", and I’m certainly not a positivist, that doesn't leave many options. : P
(Stuff to do, can't correct now but I'm posting anyway. Danger is my middle name :agent:)
How about the other way around? Like a logical type testing as an ethical one?
Hey, nice new username!Quote:
Originally Posted by lilith iris
Haha, well being productive makes things good in the end :thumbsup:
I hope you've had better days lately, but if not, I'm sure you're able to manage
yeah lol, typings :indifferent:Quote:
Haha, I can't be ILI because I use hearts :love2: and post cat pictures... it's ridiculous sometimes... :exageratedsigh: : P
Ohh, yeah that would make sense. 'Ne is like silly jokes and ridiculous ideas...' true. It is what could be (sometimes) but not even necessarily what will probably be.Quote:
I think I simply don't see Ne much anywhere ... ignoring function problems maybe?
I don’t even know where to look for Ne... I don't care I think?
Ne is like silly jokes and ridiculous ideas... in my head not in reality.
Now that I think of it... only two functions make sense to me... Te and Ni... '-'
Yeah, Si and Fe make more sense to me than the others also...
That's incredible, actually...that you get that internal knowing about when to do things and it turns out right in the end. Now that you mention that, I think I get the same thing from time to time...I mean, not nearly as much as you probably do, but still. When it does happen, it's really a relief afterwards when you see how much better things worked out.Quote:
Ye, Fi looks like some shiny pretty thing to me... but I know it's an incomplete vision I have of it.
I think all function can be critical in its own way, Ni just has a "self-righteous" touch to it sometimes... I had one of those "it's time to move" day today... bulldozer like... and sometimes, I can have the opposite, a day where doing what I'm "supposed" to do angers me to no end... so I drop it and things turn out better this way. It's... odd.
Well I've been known to get self-righteous about my right to physical enjoyment, or my sense of taste. It might be a lead function thing :shifty:
Yeah I think duals do protect each other, that way. Can you explain 'crunchy process' a little more? o:Quote:
I haven't read much on duality, because it bores me too much, though, it seem that all dual pairs keep eachother from their possible worst. It seems like crunchy process for most still.
One conversation we had went something like this:Quote:
Wow.Quote:
When I was dating SEE back in high school, I thought all the time "he'd love me so much more if I was not so easily pleased"
I often thought that I'll never find anyone because I'm too difficult to please... o.o
SEE: "hey X, do you want to hang out with me after school?"
Me: "Yes, SEE, I'd love to!"
SEE: *frustrated* "X, you shouldn't so easily...X I really want to--aghh I'm a man, X, I need to chase you, I need to win y-"
Me: *does not like what SEE is saying at all, just wants a straight-forward relationship with no games*
Me: *probably looks perplexed/unhappy*
SEE: *gives up* "Nevermind..." *looks dejectedly off in the distance*
*relationship turns out terribly for both SEE and SEI*
From what I've experienced, SEEs really need somebody who can make establishing the certainty of the relationship difficult for them. lol
You likely have dialectical-algorithmic cognition, after all :content:Quote:
If I were, I'd live much better in ethical settings than I am now. Same conclusion as before. Doubting is like, my main quirk. : 3
Hmmm, that might be true? I try to say things like 'sorry' and 'thank you' because it helps most people feel appreciated. Since we're from opposite quadras, I'm trying to be a little more conscientious about it than normal, to make sure we have good communication...Quote:
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... I think, words matter a lot to you? Like sorry or thank you...
Well... I know I'm having an emotion because I feel it in my body.
Not that I expect you to do the same thing, it just helps me feel better to do it at least :shrug:
That's right, you mentioned that you know you have a feeling because you might feel a little sick, weird in the stomach, etc.
That's kinda cute, in a ILI-ish sort of way ^_^ The ILI girl I know gives off a kind of earthy and modest vibe, like's she's not too picky about her surroundings either. I like to make my home decorated my own way, yes!Quote:
I have a cushion corner I barely use, and I’m currently sitting on the floor with my back against my bed... if I nest, I do it very poorly... xD
I think SEI seems to take time to make a place a home and enjoy their comfort. I'm more for :
Home is where my butt is
Fi does seem like a pretty tender and devotional kind of IM? You might be interested in Meged's description of the type of love associated with each IM. Storge is the one she relates to Fi (a little bit more than half-way down the page)Quote:
Fi is fluffle buns and rainbows! *^*
Lol this fluffle bun appeals to my Si, I like it.
Meged said Fi seeks for ' a harmonious, stable, pleasant, and laid-back attitude' which reminds me of the words you used, somewhat.Quote:
I like calm, expressionless, serene, neutral... words like that. ♡
No emotions in my dreams. I wrote about them in this thread, if you want to read or share too. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...nics-types/#11 : P
I'll check out your dream thread in a minute!
Yes, sometimes we all do :)Quote:
Haha, ye. xD
Sometimes, we all need tender care, some more often than others.
It does help. I had a talk with someone about empathy today, it's popular meaning is highly linked to feelings, yet it's more complex than that.
I think logical types have just as much capacity for empathy as feeling types do. They might not be as likely to empathize consciously (since feeling is largely unconscious in thinking types according to Jung, and vice versa for feelers), but it's still a part of how they are.
Some of the kindest people I've met have been thinking types...LIEs included. I haven't known a lot of ILIs, but the ones I have met have been pretty kind.
Yeah, Se makes me uncomfortable, especially Se from other people...but I see the need for it in life.Quote:
I can understand "no pain, no gain", though it's more of a necessity than a motto to me. Se seems to make quite a few people uncomfortable.
I need time alone, I need space, my skin being overly sensitive means I can't always deal with touch... Somedays, I just want to be left alone... so I guess I'm kind of like a cat... I have been called a cat from kindergarden and on... lol.
Oh, I actually really like this about cats! They're my favorite animal, lol. Maybe you are a cat by nature, hehe
Thank you, I'm glad you started getting better by the time you finished your reply! :)Quote:
Glad to know your day went well. : )
I'm doing much better now than when I started writing this reply in the afternoon.
I can't see myself as a J type or an E type... leaves Si and Ni... and since I say stuff that are considered "so Si devaluing", and I’m certainly not a positivist, that doesn't leave many options. : P
(Stuff to do, can't correct now but I'm posting anyway. Danger is my middle name :agent:)
I see no reason to doubt your ILI typing, myself...it's probably good to consider it many times, each time you may understand somthing you have missed before, and over time you develop more confidence in your decision because of how many possible angles you have already considered.
Hehe, you're living on the edge. Sometimes I respond to you without proof-reading, also :eek: We're such rebels :agent:lol
Here's some cats who are also making home be wherever their butt is <3
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I lived around mostly ethical types my whole life which led me to believe myself to be one for a long time, and tested as one even though I'm not. People's opinion of my type reflect this ambiguity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mio Q
I tried replying you yesterday... then something went wrong and I lost everything I wrote... ;^;
Oh, I managed to save half of it. : D
Thanks, I had a bunch of creepy pastel dreams that inspired it along a profil makeover. : PQuote:
Originally Posted by Xaiviay
Yeah, productive... but nothing went my way. xDQuote:
Haha, well being productive makes things good in the end :thumbsup:
I hope you've had better days lately, but if not, I'm sure you're able to manage
I wish I had better Se or Fe in such situation, gawd!
Bwahaha! Ne is a great function, it's willing to visit possibilities... all they can find. I guess... I can see Ne in you if I think about it really hard... which I do about everything once in a while... : PQuote:
yeah lol, typings :indifferent:
Ohh, yeah that would make sense. 'Ne is like silly jokes and ridiculous ideas...' true. It is what could be (sometimes) but not even necessarily what will probably be.
Yeah, Si and Fe make more sense to me than the others also...
Are Si and Fe... hm... like "concret" in your head? Something that makes sense and that you can access easily?
I don't have these moments everydays, yet they seem to happen more and more often... I hadn't realized I rely on those so much until now.Quote:
That's incredible, actually...that you get that internal knowing about when to do things and it turns out right in the end. Now that you mention that, I think I get the same thing from time to time...I mean, not nearly as much as you probably do, but still. When it does happen, it's really a relief afterwards when you see how much better things worked out.
I remember not following it one time and ended up assaulted by a crazy woman in a parking lot. That was just strange. :confusedface:
It's great though when I go at some place I never bother with and find something useful there. Such ego froh moments... : P
Haha. Lead function stubbornness. I believe in that. -w-bQuote:
Well I've been known to get self-righteous about my right to physical enjoyment, or my sense of taste. It might be a lead function thing :shifty:
Oh, "crunchy" is a thing someone I know says about everything that is not fun or difficult... she says more "crounchy" though. Oops. xDQuote:
Yeah I think duals do protect each other, that way. Can you explain 'crunchy process' a little more? o:
I don't like this "I'm a man" part... he sounds like a waste of time to me... : /Quote:
One conversation we had went something like this:
SEE: "hey X, do you want to hang out with me after school?"
Me: "Yes, SEE, I'd love to!"
SEE: *frustrated* "X, you shouldn't so easily...X I really want to--aghh I'm a man, X, I need to chase you, I need to win y-"
Me: *does not like what SEE is saying at all, just wants a straight-forward relationship with no games*
Me: *probably looks perplexed/unhappy*
SEE: *gives up* "Nevermind..." *looks dejectedly off in the distance*
*relationship turns out terribly for both SEE and SEI*
From what I've experienced, SEEs really need somebody who can make establishing the certainty of the relationship difficult for them. lol
I hope it wasn't too terrible.
I can barely deal with calling someone a "friend", I'm either confused either not caring much about giving people titles in my life... this sounds perfect for dual alright. :agent:
I read somewhere the Tao Te Ching is dialectical-algorithmic. Have you ever read it? Because I adore that thing... lol. : 3Quote:
You likely have dialectical-algorithmic cognition, after all :content:
Hm, that people feel appreciated with "thank you" or "sorry" weirds me out a little, even though I understand the "theory" behind it. I guess it's a very alpha SF way to see it. : PQuote:
Hmmm, that might be true? I try to say things like 'sorry' and 'thank you' because it helps most people feel appreciated. Since we're from opposite quadras, I'm trying to be a little more conscientious about it than normal, to make sure we have good communication...
Not that I expect you to do the same thing, it just helps me feel better to do it at least :shrug:
That's right, you mentioned that you know you have a feeling because you might feel a little sick, weird in the stomach, etc.
I'll never be as "nice" as you, though I try to be nicer than I could be...
Hiss... no cute here! :grumpycat:Quote:
That's kinda cute, in a ILI-ish sort of way ^_^ The ILI girl I know gives off a kind of earthy and modest vibe, like's she's not too picky about her surroundings either. I like to make my home decorated my own way, yes!
Haha, cute in a less traditionnal way I guess. I'm often weirded out when people go very strong about "exterior reflect the interior"... I can't believe in it. I have felt like a mess in orderly settings and balanced in disorder. :shrug:
Lots of words. I'll leave it up on chrome as "to read" tab. : PQuote:
Fi does seem like a pretty tender and devotional kind of IM? You might be interested in Meged's description of the type of love associated with each IM. Storge is the one she relates to Fi (a little bit more than half-way down the page)
Lol this fluffle bun appeals to my Si, I like it.
Meged said Fi seeks for ' a harmonious, stable, pleasant, and laid-back attitude' which reminds me of the words you used, somewhat.
I'll check out your dream thread in a minute!
Possible, each Fi types look for a robot with a stick up their arse in a way too... xD
(I have moments like that.)
The logical types have an inner "fluffle bun" layer, Fs types have the opposite.Quote:
Yes, sometimes we all do :)
I think logical types have just as much capacity for empathy as feeling types do. They might not be as likely to empathize consciously (since feeling is largely unconscious in thinking types according to Jung, and vice versa for feelers), but it's still a part of how they are.
Some of the kindest people I've met have been thinking types...LIEs included. I haven't known a lot of ILIs, but the ones I have met have been pretty kind.
HA Fi just makes people want to be appreciated and create bonds. It's an incredibly simple desire that goes with a lack of talent for it... xD
http://i.imgur.com/XY71l0p.jpg
It's just silly mbti stuff, but it made me laugh... mostly inf. Fi and dom. Te...
Se makes me angry... I think I crossed a SEE with his girlfriend today... oh I wanted to punch that betch... the SEE I mean, nor her. xDQuote:
Yeah, Se makes me uncomfortable, especially Se from other people...but I see the need for it in life.
Oh, I actually really like this about cats! They're my favorite animal, lol. Maybe you are a cat by nature, hehe.
Meows are amaze. ♡
Tiny meows, huge meows, roars and cute little trills. ♡
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Thank you, I'm glad you started getting better by the time you finished your reply! :)
I see no reason to doubt your ILI typing, myself...it's probably good to consider it many times, each time you may understand somthing you have missed before, and over time you develop more confidence in your decision because of how many possible angles you have already considered.
Hehe, you're living on the edge. Sometimes I respond to you without proof-reading, also :eek: We're such rebels :agent:lol
Here's some cats who are also making home be wherever their butt is <3
Little meows. ♡
I can find reasons to doubt anything. *^*
Even though I reconsider often, ILI doesn't feel wrong like IEI, EII did back in the days.
Rebelious squad represent :agent:
I is a little tired... : 3
I've always typed as F, I've never doubted the idea of being F because I guess I feel more self-assured (and under the influence of) those kinds of things than I notice what some others are, or my T side. But I'm e4, seems to make the F a little stronger, in the sense that we have trained ourselves to blow (or I) up our emotions and make them bigger then cling to them like balloons until reality comes in and pops them.
Hi @lilith iris!
I'm sorry to say that I have to spend less time on here in the future (this site has become a kind of unhealthy addiction to me) so I won't be responding on here much anymore o: I hope you've enjoyed this conversation as much as I have, though :) It's really good to come to an understanding with someone of a very different personality, and I've appreciated the mutual sharing <3
So, onto your message -
Oh gosh, that's always a pain. At least you saved half of it : DQuote:
I tried replying you yesterday... then something went wrong and I lost everything I wrote... ;^;
Oh, I managed to save half of it. : D
Creepy pastel dreams? That sounds rather gothic? Or like, pastel goth, anyway. Sounds like intriguing dreams. Well I like the look and the vibe, I think it's pretty cool <3Quote:
Thanks, I had a bunch of creepy pastel dreams that inspired it along a profil makeover. : P
Oh, yes, that's frustrating :indifferent:Quote:
Yeah, productive... but nothing went my way. xD
I wish I had better Se or Fe in such situation, gawd!
Even I wish I had more Fe sometimes (like with big crowds), and definitely more Se.
And then Te/Ni...don't even get me started rofl
Lol! Yes, Ne is the best (of course I'm biased :8*) Well, thank you haha.Quote:
Bwahaha! Ne is a great function, it's willing to visit possibilities... all they can find. I guess... I can see Ne in you if I think about it really hard... which I do about everything once in a while... : P
Are Si and Fe... hm... like "concret" in your head? Something that makes sense and that you can access easily?
I admire the thinking hard in ILIs, and LIIs. It's fun to see the reasoning processes they come up with, since my Ti is so weak
Yes, 'concrete' is a good way to put it. I read about Si and go 'oh you're right, that's how I think all the time', haha. Fe is easy to understand, but takes a little more effort, and sometimes I get it wrong during social interactions.
Wow, that's...really shocking, and also cool that it works so well for you!! Who knows what kind of weird/dangerous stuff your Ni has kept you out of?Quote:
I don't have these moments everydays, yet they seem to happen more and more often... I hadn't realized I rely on those so much until now.
I remember not following it one time and ended up assaulted by a crazy woman in a parking lot. That was just strange. :confusedface:
It's great though when I go at some place I never bother with and find something useful there. Such ego froh moments... : P
That must be really satisfying! Yes, ego froh moments.
Ni is awesome...like psychic super powers. lol.
I dunno if that's how you feel about it, though...
Ohh, I've heard that a few times before but wasn't clear on the meaning, thank you. Yeah it seems like duality is usually a crunchy process...I wonder if people might be more likely to write about the difficulties as they're trying to work them out. Then the positive times don't get written about as often. maybeQuote:
Oh, "crunchy" is a thing someone I know says about everything that is not fun or difficult... she says more "crounchy" though. Oops. xD
I thought so...wish I hadn't stayed with him.Quote:
I don't like this "I'm a man" part... he sounds like a waste of time to me... : /
I hope it wasn't too terrible.
I can barely deal with calling someone a "friend", I'm either confused either not caring much about giving people titles in my life... this sounds perfect for dual alright. :agent:
Well we both had our own teenage issues, so part of the horribleness of it was because of that. I've heard he's much more well-adjusted nowadays and happier! So it's a reminder that we all can grow out of our problems.
Oh, good! Yes be as confused about or not caring about giving titles as you possibly can be x'D it sounds to me like you are on the right track for your dual :agent:
Oooh :love2: yes I really like the Tao Te Ching! I don't ascribe to a religion, but if I absolutely had to, it would be be Taoism. You really like it too, huh? :) Oohh the correllations :yup: hahaQuote:
I read somewhere the Tao Te Ching is dialectical-algorithmic. Have you ever read it? Because I adore that thing... lol. : 3
Hmm, maybe I shouldn't use those words as much with you? Or other Gammas, either? Come to think of it, my ESI mom doesn't respond much to them, either.Quote:
Hm, that people feel appreciated with "thank you" or "sorry" weirds me out a little, even though I understand the "theory" behind it. I guess it's a very alpha SF way to see it. : P
I'll never be as "nice" as you, though I try to be nicer than I could be...
oops. sorry, i don't know what I was talking about, no cuteness anywhere :whistle:Quote:
Hiss... no cute here! :grumpycat:
Haha, cute in a less traditionnal way I guess. I'm often weirded out when people go very strong about "exterior reflect the interior"... I can't believe in it. I have felt like a mess in orderly settings and balanced in disorder. :shrug:
lol oh...I actually feel the same way about being in disorder/order.
It's long, you don't have to read any of it if you don't want to. The Fi part is short anyway, it's just under Characteristics of Forms of Love and it's the one called 'Storge'Quote:
Lots of words. I'll leave it up on chrome as "to read" tab. : P
Possible, each Fi types look for a robot with a stick up their arse in a way too... xD
(I have moments like that.)
xD that's a funny way of describing Te's
Each Ti type looks for some kind of emotional drama queen xD
Exaclty! i've heard a LIE friend say something similar-"feelers are like soft delicate outsides with spines of steel, thinkers are like strong armoured outsides with tender hearts"Quote:
The logical types have an inner "fluffle bun" layer, Fs types have the opposite.
HA Fi just makes people want to be appreciated and create bonds. It's an incredibly simple desire that goes with a lack of talent for it... xD
That's a simply beautiful human desire though, even if it's more difficult to create it o:
I saw this last night and it cracked me up x'DQuote:
It's just silly mbti stuff, but it made me laugh... mostly inf. Fi and dom. Te...
I do the last one a lot when making decisions and it actually works out better for me when I do :shifty: probably because my Te is so crap at evaluating things properly in the first place, though. lol
Oh, I wasn't expecting that :muaha: that's something we have in commonQuote:
Se makes me angry... I think I crossed a SEE with his girlfriend today... oh I wanted to punch that betch... the SEE I mean, nor her. xD
Meows are amaze. ♡
Tiny meows, huge meows, roars and cute little trills. ♡
Now I see why ILI is good for SEE.....jk, lol...kinda...
Meows are amazingly amaze, yes ♡
Mews and purrs and infinite meows
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Yeah, I really can too.Quote:
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Little meows. ♡
I can find reasons to doubt anything. *^*
Even though I reconsider often, ILI doesn't feel wrong like IEI, EII did back in the days.
Rebelious squad represent :agent:
I is a little tired... : 3
Well that's good! That's how SEI made me feel too, as opposed to every other considered type.
Passively resistant Ip temperaments, represent! :coffee::agent:
I read what you wrote about dreams, this is particularly interesting to me:
What you see is blurry when you focus on it...and you read strange writing but it makes sense...all this makes me think 'Ni', immediately. Ni is good at synthesizing meaning from unclear things, right?Quote:
Blurry, I see very particular details, yet what I am not focused on is... inexistant. Blurry people on a landscape, a face close up on a blurry colored background.
Sometimes I read in my dream but it looks like : jfg shifjku hf h sruf jkjjvf jjk$
Yet I understand the meaning of this gibberish. Sometimes, when I dream I realize the letters and meanings don't match and it fascinates me.
This part is very interesting, too. It's like...you just let the dream world lead you along, and completely accept the abstract quality of it, even when you are lucid. I don't experience this as much as you.Quote:
There is a lack of logic in my dreams regarding environments, per say, going from the living room to the kitchen by passing in a classroom, sewer, rooftop and never reaching the darned kitchen, yet I don't care that I don't make it to the kitchen, I accept where the dream is taking me. It's where I have to be.
I believe 100% in whatever happens when I dream, even when I have lucid dreams...
Ni sounds fascinating, it's like you could get lost in all of it...
Well, may life treat you well, lilith iris! <3
Yeah, this place truly is addictive, I see it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaiviay
It is great getting to know you!
Wishing you good luck in your "detox". : P
This is the closest to pastel dream/nightmare I found...Quote:
So, onto your message -
Oh gosh, that's always a pain. At least you saved half of it : D
Creepy pastel dreams? That sounds rather gothic? Or like, pastel goth, anyway. Sounds like intriguing dreams. Well I like the look and the vibe, I think it's pretty cool <3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LXY3wVOf7z4
with more pink... xD
FIND ILE. *^*Quote:
Oh, yes, that's frustrating :indifferent:
Even I wish I had more Fe sometimes (like with big crowds), and definitely more Se.
And then Te/Ni...don't even get me started rofl
Lol! Yes, Ne is the best (of course I'm biased :8*) Well, thank you haha.
I admire the thinking hard in ILIs, and LIIs. It's fun to see the reasoning processes they come up with, since my Ti is so weak
Yes, 'concrete' is a good way to put it. I read about Si and go 'oh you're right, that's how I think all the time', haha. Fe is easy to understand, but takes a little more effort, and sometimes I get it wrong during social interactions.
Wow, that's...really shocking, and also cool that it works so well for you!! Who knows what kind of weird/dangerous stuff your Ni has kept you out of?
That must be really satisfying! Yes, ego froh moments.
Ni is awesome...like psychic super powers. lol.
I dunno if that's how you feel about it, though...
(Oops, didn't meant for caps... xD)
Interesting that you find Si and Fe concrete.
Ni is never super concret, I think Jung described it as the most unconscious function, and I believe that. Some mbti stuff try to describe Ni as "intuitive Ti", a concret system in the mind relying to intuition... which sounds more TiNe.
Te being a very "a chair is useful to sit" kind of thing, I find that it clashes very strongly with my weird "medium-y" things... There are things I should have never seen and I wonder so much about those...
I fainted and "saw" someone I know commit suicide... the facts fit... what I saw is what happened... I don't know what to do with this nor how to explain it...
I can't provoke it... it's just unnerving to me... sure it can sound cool, but I'm not 100% sure all of this comes from Ni anyway... Ni works with Se... Se, being weak and unconscious gathers informations being treated by Ni, per example, looking at bookshelf very fast then coming back because some possibly interesting book was visually picked up and made its way to the conscious realm. That's lead Ni working.
But not doing something you're supposed to do and it turns out better this way is on an other level... sure, timing... but at this point it's an unexplainable thing.
I did save someone from getting hit by a car once though... not bad.
We generaly enjoy the good things live instead of writing about it. Writing is a good way to go through tough times.Quote:
Ohh, I've heard that a few times before but wasn't clear on the meaning, thank you. Yeah it seems like duality is usually a crunchy process...I wonder if people might be more likely to write about the difficulties as they're trying to work them out. Then the positive times don't get written about as often. maybe
Though, some people write to make the happiness last longer.
Oh, teenagers being teenagers. Those are some tough years full of stupid decisions... I barely made any... I was a lame teenager... :grumpycat:Quote:
I thought so...wish I hadn't stayed with him.
Well we both had our own teenage issues, so part of the horribleness of it was because of that. I've heard he's much more well-adjusted nowadays and happier! So it's a reminder that we all can grow out of our problems.
xD
Funny how here being on the right track means going the opposite way... xDQuote:
Oh, good! Yes be as confused about or not caring about giving titles as you possibly can be x'D it sounds to me like you are on the right track for your dual :agent:
http://i.imgur.com/sxdhM4e.jpgQuote:
Oooh :love2: yes I really like the Tao Te Ching! I don't ascribe to a religion, but if I absolutely had to, it would be be Taoism. You really like it too, huh? :) Oohh the correllations :yup: haha
Yay. : 3
Well, I'd say be yourself and act natural. It can be tough and drive some peopl away, but at least they won't stay for someone you're not.Quote:
Hmm, maybe I shouldn't use those words as much with you? Or other Gammas, either? Come to think of it, my ESI mom doesn't respond much to them, either.
This may be my perception:
http://i.imgur.com/PBIRSbQ.jpg
It doesn't mean I can't understand and respect the way you are... or at least try.
There are people of each quadra who can understand and appreciate you as you are. Focus on them. The others can go knit slippers. : P
:muaha:Quote:
oops. sorry, i don't know what I was talking about, no cuteness anywhere :whistle:
lol oh...I actually feel the same way about being in disorder/order.
Oh wow... now this order/disorder thing intrigues me...
I read it a bit, did the test part for fun... I scored so high on "professional". xDQuote:
It's long, you don't have to read any of it if you don't want to. The Fi part is short anyway, it's just under Characteristics of Forms of Love and it's the one called 'Storge'
xD that's a funny way of describing Te's
Each Ti type looks for some kind of emotional drama queen xD
I do find Ni related stuff... pompous... : T
It's a different yet similar take on duality... interesting.
LOL. Mirrors alright. -w-bQuote:
Exaclty! i've heard a LIE friend say something similar-"feelers are like soft delicate outsides with spines of steel, thinkers are like strong armoured outsides with tender hearts"
That's a simply beautiful human desire though, even if it's more difficult to create it o:
It is... though very difficult to accept regarding Fe PoLR... and I did cringe hard when I read someone talk about that recently... but I decided to get over myself.
Yeah... xDQuote:
I saw this last night and it cracked me up x'D
I do the last one a lot when making decisions and it actually works out better for me when I do :shifty: probably because my Te is so crap at evaluating things properly in the first place, though. lol
I do more the Fe inf. thing. "Say something nice! : D" ... then it's awkward as hell... xD
Reigning in useless waste of energy towards a proper goal... -w-bQuote:
Oh, I wasn't expecting that :muaha: that's something we have in common
Now I see why ILI is good for SEE.....jk, lol...kinda...
:love2: :love: <3 :purr:Quote:
Meows are amazingly amaze, yes ♡
Mews and purrs and infinite meows
Is it... related to DA...Quote:
Yeah, I really can too.
Well that's good! That's how SEI made me feel too, as opposed to every other considered type.
Passively resistant Ip temperaments, represent! :coffee::agent:
Sometimes, I wonder if typing changes regarding types... I usually have a random "well, that's an X alright" moments. Some people seem highly methodical and others systemic... and blah... it fits Ni, Te, and Ti respectively...
So many questions in my head... xD
Ni is good at filling blanks in a way... though my dreams are not "blanks" they are something about me with a symbolic meaning. They make sense... but only to me... xDQuote:
I read what you wrote about dreams, this is particularly interesting to me:
What you see is blurry when you focus on it...and you read strange writing but it makes sense...all this makes me think 'Ni', immediately. Ni is good at synthesizing meaning from unclear things, right?
This part is very interesting, too. It's like...you just let the dream world lead you along, and completely accept the abstract quality of it, even when you are lucid. I don't experience this as much as you.
Ni sounds fascinating, it's like you could get lost in all of it...
Reality is odd to me, my mind has a difficult time making sense of it even awake. The "mental map" I have of the city where I live is pieces that are not linked... just floating around in some sort of chaotic order... my mind is a mess... xD
Oh, I get lost in my mind often actually, it's a lot of fun. : 3
I'm fine with replying you to the end of time. Lol.Quote:
Well, may life treat you well, lilith iris! <3
Hope you're doing well. : 3