Subtype me (niffer)

I’m starting to doubt whether Ti subtype would be the better fit for me, if there is one.

Lots of people have suggested all sorts of types for me, from gamma SF (although these are frankly the more retarded and non-serious of the suggestions IMO :biggrin:), to xLI, and everything in between. Based on my observations and theirs now I’m not sure which is better, so please give me feedback.

Btw not a thread for disputing my main type. If you’re not sure by now it’s safe to say you’re a retard and can GTFO.

I've told you this before, but I think you're Se-SLE. Perhaps, that is why some people have mistyped you as SEE or some other type. My reasoning is that I just think you fit the Se-SLE descriptions better than the Ti-SLE descriptions overall.

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Originally Posted by Raver

I've told you this before, but I think you're Se-SLE. Perhaps, that is why some people have mistyped you as SEE or some other type. My reasoning is that I just think you fit the Se-SLE descriptions better than the Ti-SLE descriptions overall.

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Out of curiosity, since you’ve mentioned having two SLE brothers of different subtypes, could you go into some detail about them? Am I more similar to the SLE-Se one there too, because I think I had remembered you comparing me to the other one more before as initial reasoning to being previously considered the Ti subtype by you before @Raver . If I’m not mistaken, that is.

I was just wondering, how is it even possible to be a SLE Ti -H subtype? What a mix! I feel blessed I know someone special like that : p

seriously tho, I don't get DCHN theory but I don't see w9 too fitting for how you move around here, often chasing action and won't step back from saying right away what you think, maybe w7?

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Originally Posted by ooo

I was just wondering, how is it even possible to be a SLE Ti -H subtype? What a mix! I feel blessed I know someone special like that : p

seriously tho, I don't get DCHN theory but I don't see w9 too fitting for how you move around here, often chasing action and won't step back from saying right away what you think, maybe w7?

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Well Ti and H are both introverted subtypes. They also coincide better with w9. I have no idea what you’re referring to here about that being impossible or unlikely.

I have always tested pretty heavily as 9 wing subtype, just because I’m mouthy on here doesn’t mean much lol. I am not looking for ideas on that either (either DCNH or enneagram). I’m sorry I didn’t specify that before.

You're not logical. Lol. You believe in crap like astrology.

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Originally Posted by Singu

You're not logical. Lol. You believe in crap like astrology.

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Gimme kiss :love:

Btw ironically, the entire reason I got into astrology was because of the Strati SLE description which said that SLE women often get into it... so I got curious after reading that. Power of suggestion.

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Originally Posted by niffer

Well Ti and H are both introverted subtypes. They also coincide better with w9. I have no idea what you’re referring to here about that being impossible or unlikely.

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Yes Ti is Normalizing and H is represented by Si/Ni. So a SLE Ti -H is something like a SLE/LSI with his ignoring/ds activated. It's too cool to be true. I just don't get DCNH at all, truth be told : )

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I have always tested pretty heavily as 9 wing subtype, just because I’m mouthy on here doesn’t mean much lol. I am not looking for ideas on that either (either DCNH or enneagram). I’m sorry I didn’t specify that before.

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No problem, sorry you for the enneagram suggestion lol, I don't mean to impose any number on you, and shame on me for not getting it beyond the surface... 8w9 makes sense for a SLE Ti -H, yeah I can see that.

Your direction seems to be rather expansive. If I use two subtype system then I would say 'Se' sub.

DCNH:
SLE-C is supposed to have attacking attitude with fragmentary logic. Can be lots of things.
SLE-N is supposed to be honing in traditional methods via role to gain status (investments etc).

I think those two might qualify as Ti sub.

SLE-D is probably the person in charge when it comes to traditional ways of managing maneuvering forward in a society.
SLE-H is a person who works to get somewhere via pushing forward on their own path and being prone of having self searching and depressive episodes more frequently than other subs.

Those two make it sound more like Se subs.

@ooo If you have any comments on my sociotype subtype I’m still curious though lol :)

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Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007

SLE-D is probably the person in charge when it comes to traditional ways of managing maneuvering forward in a society.
SLE-H is a person who works to get somewhere via pushing forward on their own path and being prone of having self searching and depressive episodes more frequently than other subs.

Those two make it sound more like Se subs.

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What do you have to say about it being contradictory with H being an introverted subtype, with theoretically boosted Ni though?

How would you explain or account for this?

@Troll Nr 007 I agree with your observations and how you’ve pinned them to the different subtypes btw. I’m just pointing out how the structure of these systems make things problematic in light of each other (maybe the concept of subtyping is flawed in the first place).

I have tried to figure it out myself and I have noticed the contradictions.

Boosted :Ni: (and :Fi:) in H probably means something to engage in privacy and in terms of interaction it probably just means getting more into one's mind and weighing things more carefully. H is supposed to be quite similar to D descriptively (which is the closest to type representation) whereas C is the most dissimilar. This might suggest 'Se' sub for both of them.

Boosted just means how one would see functions manifesting in very general sense. :Ni: would be just wait and see approach. So if the person holds him/herself back it would point toward 'boosted' :Ni:.

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Originally Posted by niffer

@ooo If you have any comments on my sociotype subtype I’m still curious though lol :)

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Ahhhh Idk, to me there's just one subtype, the contact one. You're either a SLE or a SLE-Ti. Contact types should resemble their mirrors (and their quasi), because of the importance given to the creative function. An SLE- Ti should look something like a LSI, but he's still a SLE, just more in contact with his subconscious functions; this should follow in one's better grasp of their demo functions, for a SLE it's Te, a D element, but maybe for a SLE- Ti it's their ignoring, Si, H element. The DCNH dichotomies that are in the reach of our subconscious, say your case, H/D for a SLE, or C/N for an EIE, etc, should be accessed through the creative (from Jung), so yeah it makes sense to be a SLE-Ti-H, totes. It's a rather well balanced mix, sort of the ultimate perfection of a SLE, so yeah, there's that :D

Now as Troll said, it could be instead that the H actually belongs to the Se subtype, so that it could be in one's own typical SLE's ways to reach for their ds in ds ways, or ignoring ones, but I'm not sure it works like that, unless you just make the DCNH descriptions mean something separated from the model altogether. Or maybe you can access your unconscious from your base function, I don't know.

I'd say SLE-Ti C fits you better than H.

For more articulation around your subtype you should ask @Olimpia. I get lost around all those shades : )))

ps, I realize it's a rather useless post for your subtype but articulating it made me think better of the DCHN thing so thank you for that.

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Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007

H is supposed to be quite similar to D descriptively

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Why?

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(which is the closest to type representation)

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Did DarkAngelFireWolf69 say that?

@ooo Why C though?

why not? considering forum's activity, you're always in the mood to do something, either it's stirring the muds, participating in discussions, taking the side of someone, or of some ideas, it's a very "out there" behaviour, fits an Ep. you're even propositive, creative, involving people, caring that everyone participates actively in your ideas, and you've often shown a good amount of good ideas, perspectives and analysis that can support your leaning to Ti... I think C fits this side I see of you, but then it's probably just a tiny glimpse of what you are in this big world :o

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Originally Posted by ooo

why not? considering forum's activity, you're always in the mood to do something, either it's stirring the muds, participating in discussions, taking the side of someone, or of some ideas, it's a very "out there" behaviour, fits an Ep. you're even propositive, creative, involving people, caring that everyone participates actively in your ideas, and you've often shown a good amount of good ideas, perspectives and analysis that can support your leaning to Ti... I think C fits this side I see of you, but then it's probably just a tiny glimpse of what you are in this big world :o

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Thanks ooo :) btw I think you have 4D Ne Fe and 2D at minimum Te lol ;p ... what you said about me there could easily apply to you too. Idk though if I’m normal Ep vs. ‘extra Ep’ though..

or normal creative Ti vs extra that for that matter

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Originally Posted by niffer

Why?


Did DarkAngelFireWolf69 say that?

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It is from Vera Borisova's article. Borisova made empirical portraits while DarkAngelFireWolf69 did something else. I think DarkAngelFireWolf69's work describes boosted IE's in more general metaphorical form and it is up to reader to figure it out. It truly is source for confusion.
Anyways DarkAngelFireWolf69 says that naturally C tends to like C and N goes well with N by default. Sometimes D's might want to go after H for some reason. Subtype "duality" takes time apparently.

For example LSI-C and EIE-H: fireman meets Nostradamus.

Good stuff @Troll Nr 007.

I think the same as Raver, that you are SLE-Se type and because of that you sound like SEE.

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Originally Posted by falsehope

I think the same as Raver, that you are SLE-Se type and because of that you sound like SEE.

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What about me do you think sounds SEE?

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Originally Posted by niffer

What about me do you think sounds SEE?

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Well I think introverted subtypes are far more soft when approaching other people. Yet here you are demoralizing me. So I have the same urges. Or maybe it's just your SLEsness :-) But I know a woman who is SLE-Ti and she's very quiet for most of the time unless she starts telling a story then she's talkative, demonstrative and so on. But she's dominated by her IEI-Fe husband who doesn't treat her super-well, but he got better recently, at least he doesn't do it in front of other people.
Or maybe it's just you being like that in writing. But the SLE-Ti I know in writing is well moderate but at work she constantly forgets about something. Maybe too much weed (she takes one puff a day).
Not sure if these traits are related to socionics subtype but might be related to DHCN subtype. She's submissive, calm, quiet, and barely initiating. But at work is super-quick and effective, any job takes her 10-20 minutes. Would never tell a person to GTFO even conditionally. Not a chance.

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Originally Posted by falsehope

Well I think introverted subtypes are far more soft when approaching other people. Yet here you are demoralizing me. So I have the same urges. Or maybe it's just your SLEsness :-) But I know a woman who is SLE-Ti and she's very quiet for most of the time unless she starts telling a story then she's talkative, demonstrative and so on. But she's dominated by her IEI-Fe husband who doesn't treat her super-well, but he got better recently, at least he doesn't do it in front of other people.
Or maybe it's just you being like that in writing. But the SLE-Ti I know in writing is well moderate but at work she constantly forgets about something. Maybe too much weed (she takes one puff a day).
Not sure if these traits are related to socionics subtype but might be related to DHCN subtype. She's submissive, calm, quiet, and barely initiating. But at work is super-quick and effective, any job takes her 10-20 minutes. Would never tell a person to GTFO even conditionally. Not a chance.

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How am I demoralizing you? :lol: I’m just looking for concrete justification.

I’m very quiet and docile in IRL most of the time too actually, unless I’m alone with an introvert, and even then... I’m not very good at maintaining conversational rhythm. If you were a workmate especially, I would never let on that I have any kinds of outbursts (actually in general these are rare for me in irl—hence w9 typing for myself).

I relate to the part of the Ti subtype profile where I rarely snap, but when I do it’s more disturbing. DCNH-wise I think that could fit any of the SLE DCNH types except for​ C.

I don't see a problem with SLE-Ti and H together

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Originally Posted by Myst

I don't see a problem with SLE-Ti and H together

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I kept your typing for so long mainly because I'm sure you know me the best out of everyone here. :lol: It seems like lots of others have some different impressions of me though.

IEI subtype

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Originally Posted by Sol

IEI subtype

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Fuck off lol

@niffer I usually read your posts in my SLE friend's voice and it works pretty well. He's an inert subtype :Se: :Ti:

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Originally Posted by nefnaf

@niffer I usually read your posts in my SLE friend's voice and it works pretty well. He's an inert subtype :Se: :Ti:

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You read them in a guy’s voice?

@nefnaf also what about him is inert to you over contact?

Honestly I usually read my own voice in a guy’s voice too.

It’s not far from reality lol.

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Originally Posted by niffer

You read them in a guy’s voice?

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Initially did when I didn't catch your gender. Didn't stop after I found out lol.

Also might be at a [7] rn

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Originally Posted by nefnaf

Initially did when I didn't catch your gender. Didn't stop after I found out lol.

Also might be at a [7] rn

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Err.. bracketed 7?

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Originally Posted by niffer

Err.. bracketed 7?

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btw I just typed Swedish female pop star Ängie as SLE. But I haven't been able to find any video interviews to confirm

I'm curious about your thoughts

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Originally Posted by nefnaf

btw I just typed Swedish female pop star Ängie as SLE. But I haven't been able to find any video interviews to confirm

I'm curious about your thoughts

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that doesn’t answer the question of mine that you quoted lol

but yes I agree she does seem very SLE to me

@niffer I usually identify subtypes based on the Meged-Ovcharov type portraits

The portraits don't always "fit," but they do in a surprising number of cases

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Originally Posted by niffer

Fuck off lol

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women are charming :love:

ok. IEI type, <anything you wish today, honey> subtype

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Originally Posted by nefnaf

@niffer I usually identify subtypes based on the Meged-Ovcharov type portraits

The portraits don't always "fit," but they do in a surprising number of cases

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Based on both these subtype styles (that and DarkAngelFireWolf69’s) I do think I fit the Se subtype a lot more when I’m doing well in life, healthy etc., now that I’m reading through them again. Some points of these descriptions seemed very odd though. For instance: “This is a person of action and not reflection.” <— This was a part of the Ti subtype description but not the Se one. Why? Other parts also made it seem unclear as to why inert/contact would exert such an influence on the personality too.

I’m pretty interested in theory and meta or philosophical thought. I spend a lot of time on pondering and daydreaming, fantasizing etc. But according to these subtype descriptions, it makes it more like Se subtype, when that goes against theory. The Ti subtype should be the more theory-oriented, NT-like one.

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Originally Posted by niffer

that doesn’t answer the question of mine that you quoted lol

but yes I agree she does seem very SLE to me

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I know a few girls who dress almost exactly like her and have the same facial expressions/body movements. I tend to friendzone SLEs though, because while they're too much fun not to like, they're much too crazy to become my waifu.