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Good morning!!
I wanna be typed! So I made a type video, but it's very short just 10 minutes, and it doesn't go over any of the questions. I have a longer one that I might upload to youtube later, or just rerecord. But I wanted to get this out right away, so here it is:
https://youtu.be/vGTp6a5Itn0
IEI :)
I always think that male IEIs are female, before I see their photo/vid. This is a compliment I hope, as it means you are in touch with your feminine side.
You remind me of a Pastor I know at a Nazarene church.
Welcome to the forum!
Thank you my friend! Being mistaken as a female is chill. But also weird. :P I don't mind though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarper
Hopefully a cool pastor? But honestly, that makes me worry. I'd rather not seem pastoral. Pastors are super cool and the bee's knees and things. But I'm not meant to be pastor-y. At least I don't think so.
IEI or SEI
It's a little hard for me to tell which though based on the video. But I go for IEI.
Anyway there is some Si. I am trying to decide if it is Base or Role.
What makes you @ucenna think :Ni: over :Si:?
Kind of clear xEI.
woo! I answered the questionnaire. Partially. https://youtu.be/E8grCfw4PWI
I'm kind curious though, what parts stook out as Si like?
Cool. I'm leaning more towards SEI now.
You should definitely consider SEI. Your task will be to decide between SEI and IEI, as far as I see.
I'm just telling you what I'm thinking.
IEIs tend to be more "connected to the mind", more abstract, and less conscious of the body.
the impression you give is more "shallow and simple". Just like myself :)
I get the feeling that you are constantly under the influence of impressions from the environment and you body, and you are trying to keep them away so you can concentrate on what to say in front of the camera. This is normal for SEI.
If you are SEI, then Si is probably something that you experience as useless and an annoyance, because you have never had any use of it. So it can be hard to self-type as SEI.
And you said your best friend was IEE? That's semi-dual. Good relation.
Anyway, hope you find your type.
Former best friend. That crashed and burned in a glorious explosion. When you say influence of impressions from the environment and body, what exactly do you mean? I wouldn't consider myself terribly aware of myself in that way. All I know is that sometimes when I'm angry and then I eat food, I feel sick. Or at least that happened last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
Actually the first 3 videos were scraped because I was getting to heady and self-analytical. I was constantly going back, analyzing my words/thoughts/etc, and then continuing. It felt rather Xi-Ti loopy.
Basically it seems that you don't have soul suction quality that IEI's tend to have.
Really? I don't see myself as an SEI at all. I'm an E9, so perhaps that effects it? I'm gonna wait for a few more posts before making my case one way or thee other.
Yes, semiduality is in fact unstable, but it is considered among the best, because it feels "almost like duality". It's quite common for friends or married couples. I've been in semiduality myself. It was good chemistry but unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ucenna
Just some general impression I get from watching the video. But also details like you touch yourself quite a lot. And look around, or how you make some expressions with your face.Quote:
When you say influence of impressions from the environment and body, what exactly do you mean? I wouldn't consider myself terribly aware of myself in that way. All I know is that sometimes when I'm angry and then I eat food, I feel sick. Or at least that happened last week.
I hate that too. And I also do it. Over-analyzing is pointless.Quote:
Actually the first 3 videos were scraped because I was getting to heady and self-analytical. I was constantly going back, analyzing my words/thoughts/etc, and then continuing. It felt rather Xi-Ti loopy.
I also watched some more videos on your YT account. They were helpful.
Just curious: Why did you type yourself as an intuitive in the first place?
Sorry, when I first said that the relationship crashed and burned I was hoping to imply that I didn't think of her as a likely match for semiduality. In general, whenever she expressed something intuitively, it had seemed rather unimpressive to me. Even annoying. Often times when she'd make an intuitive discernment on something I'd have already made my own intuitive discernment that I was satisfied with. If I were to use typology, I'd have compared the interaction to Ni vs Ne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
For the purposes of this reply, I'm gonna go full on intuitive. Then, if I don't appear intuitive, my self conception of intuition in my head is likely very wrong. Granted, I expect that my self conception of intuition isn't perfect, but I think it's decent enough for my purposes. The question of "Why?" isn't really a question I can answer. Every since I enter typology, intuition has always been assumed. There was a brief period in which I was battling between being a Si base or Ni base, but I eventually settled with Ni base. I can't rightly remember why. I eventually crafted an idea of what intuition was, and because I felt that that idea applied to me, I deemed myself an intuitive. As far as the characteristics of intuition, particularly Ni. The ideas of foresight, patterns, an understanding of how a certain action might influence an event. I consider myself to be good at these things. I enjoy strategy and tactics. Big fan of chess. In MTG, the deck that types of decks I enjoy the most are ones that rely on my ability to predict my opponents move, and dodge it. Striking at just the right moment, and taking advantage of weaknesses. And when no weaknesses are present, tricking my opponent into creating them. I enjoy watching people, figuring them out, commenting on their idiosyncrasies and noting the intentions behind their actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
Also I'm much too inept in the real world to consider myself a S type. I'm forgetful, out of sorts, distracted, and liable to daydream. The day before I recorded my first video, I imagined myself going through the entire event in my head while driving down the road. I ultimately was so in my head that I got lost. This sort of thing is rather frequent for me, getting lost in my head and thusly getting lost in real life. It's happened whilst walking too, and often while working at my retail store, I would start puzzling things out in my head trying to figure them out, and then realize I was in a totally different part of the store. This doesn't happen as often as it used to, but it's still not uncommon for me to blink, look around, and realize that I had been zoning everything out.
As for the above, I realize that it would be wrong to say that it was super super intuitively said. Rather it is more of an indication as to things I've said or done that might appear to intuitive to an onlooker. What I'm trying to say, is that rather than talking in an intuitive manner, the above paragraphs are merely focused on the topic of intuition. So as for my original statement, about going full on intuition. I don't know if that can actually be said. Or perhaps, in light of recent sentences, it can. But to say something is full on intuition, doesn't that imply a complete expression of my use of intuition but of course. But for me, as a mere mortal, to do a complete and full expression of something. That would be impossible wouldn't it? So it would seem that when I said that I was intent on going "full on intuition" I was attempting to do the impossible. But then again, I knew that when I first said it.
Thank you!
Also I don't really have much problem with over analysis. It's rather fun. I just assumed that It'd be rather unfun to watch. I'm still getting my forum legs, and trying to figure out exactly how I want to interact in this environment.
I, F
Then it could be worth reconsidering it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ucenna
This would point towards intuition. If you actually do it naturally. The thing is, it could be that you are just a smart and creative person. But that is not necessarily connected to type. That's why video is so useful. One can see the natural personality better.Quote:
As far as the characteristics of intuition, particularly Ni. The ideas of foresight, patterns, an understanding of how a certain action might influence an event. I consider myself to be good at these things. I enjoy strategy and tactics. Big fan of chess. In MTG, the deck that types of decks I enjoy the most are ones that rely on my ability to predict my opponents move, and dodge it. Striking at just the right moment, and taking advantage of weaknesses. And when no weaknesses are present, tricking my opponent into creating them. I enjoy watching people, figuring them out, commenting on their idiosyncrasies and noting the intentions behind their actions.
This is common for SEI. Si is not really about the real world. It is about impressionistic sensing and detachment from the world of objects.Quote:
Also I'm much too inept in the real world to consider myself a S type. I'm forgetful, out of sorts, distracted, and liable to daydream.
You certainly do over-analyze :) This strikes me as NiTe super-ego.Quote:
As for the above, I realize that it would be wrong to say that it was super super intuitively said. Rather it is more of an indication as to things I've said or done that might appear to intuitive to an onlooker. What I'm trying to say, is that rather than talking in an intuitive manner, the above paragraphs are merely focused on the topic of intuition. So as for my original statement, about going full on intuition. I don't know if that can actually be said. Or perhaps, in light of recent sentences, it can. But to say something is full on intuition, doesn't that imply a complete expression of my use of intuition but of course. But for me, as a mere mortal, to do a complete and full expression of something. That would be impossible wouldn't it? So it would seem that when I said that I was intent on going "full on intuition" I was attempting to do the impossible. But then again, I knew that when I first said it.
Well, there was a brief period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
Well I would certainly say I'm a smart and creative person, but also I do do this pretty naturally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
Hmm? I've never heard Si expressed of as detached. Unless you mean detached from objects as distinct entities and focused on their impressions. I'd suspect Si to be more inclined to get lost in the "pleasantness" of the reality around them? Or something like that? I don't really consider that to be me. And though I do enjoy being comfortable, I wouldn't really consider it a prime directive. I have no problem disrupting my comfort in pursuit of something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
Oh, I intended that to be rather playful. Though it would seem I failed to make it that way. I don't mind doing this at all. It's just sort of a fact of life. Wouldn't my super-ego be more painful to me consciously?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
It'd be cool of a Ni type to swing by. Surely they could spot a phone-y Ni base when they see one.
Well, SEI's can be very good at handling actions that deals with people in the present. Tactical know how that might apply beyond ethics.
While IEI might take it well into the future – strategic move.
I think this will help you to get grasp what :Ni: means:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya
Do you identify with it?
Oh manipulativeness. I curious thing to be sure. Have you seen TWD? One of the villains. The governor, uses his Fe to get what he wants. I'm pretty sure he's either an EIE or IEI. I've often said that if I were to become an evil villain, it is he who I would be. I consider myself quite adept at manipulation. I know peoples hearts and how to touch them. But... I'm Catholic. And I've grown up in a delta environment. I'd like to feel perhaps more open to manipulate, but I also feel as if it is something that I cannot or should not do. My desire to use my Fe unrestricted, is matched by my reluctance to violate my morals. In separating from my IEE friend, Fi//Te ideals and the "serious" dichotomy are less pressing upon me. And so I have been more willing to do things she might have discouraged me from. And if I'm really honest about it, I am willing to be manipulative. And often times I am.
As an example, just now my dad asked for the flash drive he lent me. I still need it but I've been procrastinating actually using it for what I needed it for. So I gave it back to him so he wouldn't be mad. But when I finally get off my butt and start the project I was working on, I'll likely steal it back. I know where it is, and I'll only need it for a brief moment.
^ Anyone can manipulate, not sure in the sense you mean, but that you say it's something you shouldn't do, then it's likely to be for negative purposes.
What you *do* care about, is what people think of you, which is Fe all the way, so that's what's most likely keeping you in check, not 'morals', at least, but those objectively set by your environment.
I imagine you're finding all this typing info confusing :) I look forward to see which one (type) you choose.
Actually, screw this. I know that I'm an IEI. I don't need to prove that to you guys. Or to myself (again). Am I wrong? Perhaps. But I'm confident in my understanding and my self-evaluation. And there's no real compelling evidence that should cause me to question that. Thanks all for your time!
Sorry but I want to say SEI. Your hair looks more alpha than beta. I don't know for sure yet though.
This is a very personal question and you don't have to answer publicly of course but a great way to find out if you are SEI or IEI is this:
IEIs like sex to be rougher, or at least more intense/passionate and politically incorrect. An IEI will need more to be turned on than just a dude erotic dancing, they will often want an ILE to erotically 'turn it up a notch.' This isn't to say SEIs are more boring in bed- but one's dual is an aggressor whereas the other is an infantile. The IEI will have to 'top train' the ILE too much, doing things the SLE would do with no hesitation. This can be a much more subtle/nuanced thing than what I am saying here- IEIs don't like to be raped or seriously abused or anything like that but ILE is going be too soft/not Chad enough or Alpha Bitch enough for them.
Honey, there's a difference between being 'in touch' with something and downright bathing in it- but it really tends to hurt guy's feelings when you say that. I'm obviously pretty soft myself, but it still makes me feel better if people compliment me on being strong cuz that's what I've been socially conditioned to respond positively towards. Idk some men are just really soft. Thank God there's tough girls and soft men though, makes the world less boring.Quote:
This is a compliment I hope, as it means you are in touch with your feminine side.
Not at all. I expected to be challenged. As for my hair, I don't know what I'm doing with it, so I haven't touched it. Once I find a style I like that suits me, I will probably fail horribly trying to maintain it.
As for sex... Well I'm a virgin. When I have my day, I'm rather concerned I won't know what to do. In fact I'm sure I won't. I'd prefer someone confident so that things wouldn't be awkward. After that, I can't claim to know my tastes.
As far as caregiver vs victim goes, I'm not terribly fond of the idea of being a caregiver. I somehow ended up in that role with my former IEE friend, and I wasn't very happy about it. This is speaking generally and not specifically tied to romance. How romance bound are the romancing types? Victim, I suspect would be more appealing to me. There are places in life that I'm not confident in myself with, and I suspect that I'd prefer the confidence of an aggressor. Sex being an example, but not the only one.
You may try my bloggers examples to decide are ILE or SLE girls are more psychically pleasant for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ucenna
When you mentioned that "going full on intuition" I actually had the same kind of hunch. (Like do you mean using or talking about intuition) And then you came back to it at the end of your post, and you did your playful mental masturbation about it. Anyway, that made me very certain about SEI, because I think it shows that your Ni is blocked with Te and not with Fe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ucenna
I can sort of relate to it from the inside because I have been in the superego alot myself.
Many SEIs have emphasized superego. If you stay with socionics you can learn to see it. It goes for many types. It's not necessarily painful, more like draining.
Maneuvering through via explanations.
Never seen IEI do this. They point out where something doesn't fit and that is it. You hear just tell what they think. Then comes huge halt. Information from outside didn't fit in. Perspective remains quite singular but they can continue on their own path forever...
In general, I tend to prefer the SLE vs the ILE. This is true for both males and females. SLE gives me the impression of being more present and confident, which I like. Conversely, the ILE's seem to be more laid back, dull, and unaware. I feel like I'd be able to hold a conversation with the SLE's more easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
What do you mean Ni blocked with Te? And what about it gave you that impression. I wouldn't be inclined to say that I find Ni draining. But maybe I just don't understand what Ni is. Could you explain what your interpretations of Ni and Si are, and what they tend to be used for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
From my perspective, I see Ni in myself prominantly. In puzzling things out, in interpretting behaviors and events, in planning or strategizing. in analyzing//comprehending others' perspectives, in just thinking. For me, Ni seems almost omnipresent and automatic; and thus I doggedly stick to typing myself as IEI rather than SEI.
The question then is, is this sufficient reason for me not to be IEI? I don't really see why IEIs wouldn't be inclined to use explanations. And if I'm going to do Type Me thread but then not give any explanation for my actions, words, thoughts, etc. Then how will we get anywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
What exactly about me seems Si, if I may ask? Or perhaps a better question would be, what is Si? I'm confident in my understanding of it, but if it is present in me and I don't see it, then my understanding must be flawed.
Maybe some other type. :shrug:
To me :Ni: in IEI is so very singular in their perspectives (:Ne: ignoring) it starts to bug me.
First thing I thought was, you should be careful about typing from intertype relations to begin with, then the second thing I thought was - you haven't even had experience in interacting with them, ie you feel [you could] hold a conversation, not that, this has happened, that has happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by ucenna
You're just going to have to stick XEI in your signature for now, since you don't appear to be able to make the decision yourself, and also feedback given to you is not giving much of a decision for you either.
Nothing wrong with that, it's all good :)
I've seen a lot of IEIs talk for long periods and it never goes anywhere, SEIs are the ones with the shorter explanations. How much in depth do you need to go when you're not a poetically inclined type trying to give words to things which might possibly exist? Sensing is simpler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll No 7
Unless we're talking about an Fe creative trying to make sense of information via the basis of it's structure, and then we're left with Ti mobilizing for both types.
Edit: On second thoughts,
@ucenna, I wonder if you could elaborate on the emotional manipulativeness you spoke about, i'm trying to work out if it's tactical or strategic. The thing is that you could just be being honest, but then, remembering how your first thread - ask me anything seemed like a way to endear yourself to others, but then you have flashes of 'the guard' coming down, it just makes me think that your intuition fails you and you make blunders in that area, which does make me inclined to think SEI over IEI, although, I hate this type of analysis.
Mainly sudden shifts of alternatives. They just hammer things on and on. Granted that this is not that all encompassing sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarper
Maybe it is common to go more towards ignoring when you write something on forums. This would not be the first case.
try ESE
Re: Si - A focus on your internal reaction/impressions of sensory input.
This thread is good, especially posts 14, 18, 40 (as a trio), as well as posts 28 and one of the ones by user @Ananke.
Also considering that you've already decided for yourself what type you feel yourself to be, there is no point in people arguing with you about that. You will simply try to act more like that type because it feels like holding up a facet of your identity in the face of external misunderstandings. You're better off reading up on the theory for yourself at this point.
That's a 9 thing :D that's why Jung's descriptions are so hard to follow.Quote:
I've seen a lot of IEIs talk for long periods and it never goes anywhere
@ucenna,
Here are two women. One is SEI and the other IEI. However, superficially they are somewhat similar (age, appearance).
Can you guess who's who?
Emmanuelle Seigner
Lisa Mitchell
Have you checked out IEI members in this forum? There is a recent thread with Olimpia who self-types IEI, and many agree on that.
I'm thinking ESE should be checked as well.
Is it :Ne: HA? It seems that at least some sort :Ne:.
(Seriously: A memory stick :rolleyes:. It is kind of limited. Socially aware for sure.)
There is deffinitely a lot of Fe about you, but I can't really wrap my head around what your type is. It seems to be more of the 'comical' kind of the ESEs, rather than the 'tragic' kind, attributed to EIEs.
SEI and IEI could still be possibilities though? Not sure.
Thank you. And well said. I am quite confident in my self typing, as am I confident in my understanding of socionics. Err... At least confident enough to be confident in my self typing. This thread was sorta more of a reconnaissance mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk
Let me get back to you on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
I'd still favor Ne ignoring. I've just had an IEE as a best friend for 4 years. I've gotten used to pretending to be openminded. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
I am willing to reconsider my views in light of the right kind of evidence, but it has to be the right kind. The kind that pokes a whole in the foundations of my ideas. A large quantity of contradictions means little so long as they can be easily reinterpreted or maneuvered around.
As for ESE. I'm quite sure that I'm both Te POLR and Ti HA. This thread has reinforced that for me.
And as for the memory stick. In my defense, I needed it to make a live USB stick to fix my sister's computer. A live CD would have worked but I remember having issues with her CD drive before. I ended up restoring the boot record from the linux partition I had installed months ago and then reinstalling windows from there.
How dare you betray me?! </3 >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful
Thank you everyone!
As for now, I am rather sure of IEI. ESE is ruled out because I am not Ti suggestive nor a judging type. And SEI is ruled out because I am confident that I am Se suggestive. Also, my Si is pretty bad.
So I shall where the IEI moniker for now. If I am not IEI, then time will prove it to me as I spend more time on the forums or in life in general.
Thank you all!
Sorry, forgot to quote this one. I'm all but certain I'm tactical. My "Ask an IEI anything" thread is a good example of this. You're not wrong to suggest that my motives were to endear myself to the community. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. And really to call that or any other reasons for starting the thread. a motive wouldn't be exactly right. There weren't really any goals to that threads creation. It was more of a reconnaissance mission. Let us create a thread, and see where it leads us. Likely I will be able to have fun conversations with others, and it would be an effective way to participate. It shall go where it will, and I can follow or abandon it as the mood hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarper
This thread itself in some ways follows a similar pathway. I originally started it on Sol's suggestion in the "Ask an IEI anything" thread. Not because I was uncertain of my type. Since SEI was suggested, I've taken that type into consideration. But, since then I've rereenforced my self ascribed IEIness. At this point, I simply follow it to follow it. Perhaps later on, I shall lead somewhere new.
As for intuition, I am rather confident in that. I often know the flow of events and people. I know how things will affect others, and what might influence their internal decisions. And I sometimes have a flash in which I figure out that one move I need to make to shift things in another direction. Or sometimes that flash isn't a flash but is the result of some mental effort. Sometimes I know how to influence the flow without even knowing that I know it; as when asked if such and such an action should be taken I m often able to predict it's results.
Conversely, Sensing is something I'm quite sure I lack. I'm rather clumsy. In my life; In the past I've full on sprinted into poles, and am apt to trip over my feet and get lost. I'm foresighted, but rarely practical in day to day matters. I struggle to mobilize myself to do things, and am often times unfortunately and unwillingly, lazy. It's much easier to think than to act. Also, I often struggle with very simple things that are quite easy for my more sensingly capable friends.
I am a fighter though. I like to defy reality and expectations. If told something is impossible, I'm often determined to prove the notion wrong. There is an anime, Fairy Tail. One of it's characters, Natsu, is a good manifestation of this trait. Like most shounen fighting characters, he's ridiculously powerful. But he seems underwhelming, and there's nothing obvious to indicate his power. It's only clear that he's strong enough to overcome a challenge when he actually overcomes it. But often times, when his opponents tell him that the same old approach isn't gonna work and he should just give up, he charges forward. He may not be the smartest person, nor always the strongest. But his ingenuity and ridiculous tenacity always pulls him through. And that is something that I both admire and aspire to be.
Just by VI what comes to mind is EIE/SLI/LSI
How can u vi someone as eie then say sli lol. From fe lead to polrQuote:
Originally Posted by Dee
It's magic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
@ ucenna, Number 9 large:
Well, I'm only talking here based on what I have seen of the types, and I can see all three in ucenna to an extent.
Something to consider: Benefit relations. For ESE those would be SLE (ESE more attracted) and IEE (IEE more attracted).
Which means you keep looking for amount of :Ti: that would make SLE bit uncomfortable but she would deliver it while leaving her :Ni: needs totally discarded.
Thanks you! :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee
Oh that's fair. I will admit that ESE is much easier to imagine than SEI. I can imagine Si as a valued function, although I don't think it is. But Si as a base function is too much for me. Ni as a POLR however, is much more difficult. At the vary least, ESE does check the boxes somewhat better than SEI does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
I shall still however, stubbornly stick to IEI. I believe it to be so, and so it shall be. Until life proves me wrong. Then that castle shall fall and burn.
You seem sure that Ne is amongst my valued function. More specifically, you don't think it's my ignoring function. Why is that? And what exactly is the ignoring function. I'm familiar with the term, but I've also heard a lot of people on this forum or in general indicate that the ignoring functions description is somewhat lacking or vague and unuseful.
Also isn't typing via relations some sort of taboo? I'm all for taboo, but relations only goes to solidify IEI in my head.
Well, :Ni: is kind of psyche intense stuff. :shrug: I don't now how much you do it IRL.
I think socionics ultimately boils down to interplay between different types since all types can use all the IE's to some extent.
Even ESE would get overwhelmed by :Si: they need to deliver to IEE since :Ti: needs are left unmet.
Oh Ni is like that. I do enjoy puzzling things out, rather a lot. Turning them over in my head, integrating them into my understanding. I don't like having unsolved problems. Base is supposed to be on almost always, right? The behavior in myself that I associate with Ni is almost always present. I've had to grow up recently, starting college and moving out and all, so there are times where I'm trying to build and use other IEs, but my default is almost definitely Ni. That or the mental behaviors I associate with Ni are totally skewed. I'm a programmer, puzzling things out and forging connections is what I do. Or will do, I'm just a programmer in training at the moment. But I'm crazy good at it. I very much like learning, and I was good at coding before I started the program. I decided to teach myself "functional programming" on the side because my courses gave me a good learning environment for them. "Functional programming" is difficult to explain to the initiated, and so probably even harder to explain to the uninitiated. I will still try to though. I shall do my best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
Functional programming is simply a different way to write your code. Most code is a series of instructions. To do this job here's the first step, here's the second step, and here's the third step. There's a focus on the process, the "how things are done" of the code. In programming, this would be called "imperative". Functional Programming strives to step away from this. It abstracts the whole thing. Instead of giving a series of instructions, functional programming focuses on describing the process. As an example, imagine trying to find a pair of socks. With the "imperative" approach you would 1st, choose a sock; 2nd find another sock; 3rd decide if the two socks match; and 4th, if they don't repeat steps 2-4, otherwise you're done. Conversely, in "functional" programming you would 1st, choose the sock; and 2nd, "find" all the socks that match it.
Both have advantages, "imperative" is more true to the process that humans go through to do their jobs, "functional" is more true to the idea of what's going on behind that.
Sorry, I started talking about coding. That automatically leads to a tangent, even if that tangent is never verbalized.
I really really love building conceptual understandings of things and integrating them into my understandings of other things. Adding a new understanding can sometimes have ripples. Analyzing things in general is just something I do a lot. Trying to figure them out. I don't really tire of it, except for when I get stuck in a rut. I could go over things in my head for hours on end, but sometimes I just need to be doing something. Only puzzling things out all the time isn't going to get me anywhere.
To further give a scale to the amount of consideration//puzzling//connecting I do, I will say this. I do a lot of thinking before making many(?most?) of my response on this thread (and in general, but this thread is an actual present event in my mind so... I'll shut up now.). And though my responses themselves might be short or not as thought out(I just sort of write them). I have heavily considered things said. I've pictured myself as both an SEI and ESE; analyzed myself in real time in regards to them and considered the ripple affect that me being those types(and not the IEI I think I am) would have on my internal understanding of typology, personality, and life in general(I would act differently, my self perception influences my behavior. I haven't decided if this is a general trait, one specific to Ni/Se types, one specific to Fe/Ti types, or one specific to me and some other category{Also, I'm pretty sure I'm Ti HA).).
I also imagine how I might respond and be responded to. This is significant, because this is actually rather reflective of my internal monologue. I talk to people I know in my head. I'm not crazy, I swear. It's just how I reconcile different perspectives in my head and how I parse things for more easy communication.
I also imagine where perspectives might have come from; why the source might have been interpretted the way it was; and how the source came to be itself and how the source of the source affects it's relevance, my communication, and everything else.
Wow, That happened. Sorry for the wall of text. I've been trying to avoid going too in depth because I know this will happen if I do, but I made an exception today.
So just quick responses to the rest. I think ITR is a relevant way to type so long as you're mindful of it's basis. Your perspective on types and relations must be right, as must the perspective of the person being typed. If not, typing via ITR is gonna be problematic and disconnected. Thing is if someone is unsure of their type, they don't usually have a good handle on other people's types as well. Not exclusively of course, there is a dissonance between one's self perspective and one's perspective of others and//or their perspective on him. But one does have to be careful in such situations.
As for my IEE friend, I never really viewed that as a benefits relationship. Just sorta a disconnect. We never really saw eye to eye on things, and there was often misunderstandings. Actions and motivations and stuff. I may have expressed that I was fulfilling a caregiver role for her, which is true in a sort of objective way. That is I was doing nice or caregiver-y things in a non typological sense. Giving her rides to places maybe, or listening to her rants. She was a friend, shouldn't friends look out for each other. But that felt one sided, which ultimately contributed to the loss of the friendship. It started getting to the point where us hanging out was me coming to her dorm and chatting whilst she did chores or cooked food or something. We stopped doing anything "fun" together, and I began to realize that we had vastly differing interests. The relationship was imbalanced. And not in a Benefits sort of way. In an unhealthy sort of way. And yes, if I *was* an ESE benefits relations and unhealthy relationships would probably look remarkably similar to me. But I'm not, and these weren't. How do I know, well I just know. At the least, I have to assume I know. To question my discernment of reality is to question reality itself. If I can't assume that I'm discerning things accurately, then how am I to be able to trust my thoughts at all?
Thanks for reading this! Sorry it's long. Cheers!! :)
Well, in that case IEI might be fine but EIE might be worthy to take into consideration as you deal with technicalities (:Te:) and of course their dialectical algorithmic thinking style.
Maybe some :Se:-HA
Okey dokey! And thank you! I'll keep EIE in my head, I'd thought about it before. For now though, I'm gonna stick with IEI until something big and scary comes to jog that out of place. Thank ye, thank ye!Quote:
Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007
Ne ego... or maybe...
Stopped video at about 2:40, to say maybe that brief impression I got of IEE from your avatar pic wasn't too far off. You don't sit still, you're moving all over the place and looking this way and that. Will add notes further as I watch more:
-you mention ADD er yeah lol, could be why you seem Ne ego and EP (or maybe you actually are Ne ego and EP) - quite scattered going this and that way both physically and mentally
. . . and then you say you're more focused in this one? wow. k.
-stopping at about 7 min. to say, take a look at Ne lead and see what you think - if you do think you're Fe rather than Fi, consider ILE. Post #45 where you talk about "Ni" it actually sounds more like Ti to me. The all-over-the-place tangent stuff looks like could be Ne. Idk how much ADD will change type-appearance. If you're sure about your type, then ignore me lol, this is just a suggestion.
-k enough. stopping at 10:30 lol, Ne. my opinion, look into it and see what you think.
Oh yeah! I do have ADD, but I've just sorta coped with it. It hasn't killed me yet. Video 1 was still a bit crazy. After going through 3 videos in a row, my head was feeling stretched. Vid 2 where I go through some of the questionnaire is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
I'll look into Ne lead and post back tomorrow. One of the things I like about xEI is that the Feeling and Thinking IEs seem to fit real well. I'd definitely go with Fe for a creative function, My Fi is something I think is fairly strong, so it makes sense for it to be Demonstrative. Ti is something I tend to get obsessive about, but I've never thought of myself as good with it, so that's HA. And then, Te is just, grrr so PoLR. :P
I will look at Ne though. Troll Nr 007 also seems to see Ne somewhere. But, I have the stubbornness of an ox, and until I see it I ain't budging. >_<
@ucenna
You sounded manlier the second time I watched your video, but then all of a sudden you will uh fag out (For lack of a better phrase) and do something really Fe and gay that makes me think 'yep male IEI.' The tone feel so naturally playful and humorous. It's pretty confusing... but very funny.
You sound rather innocent and good natured. Is this accurate or an illusion. I don't know. :lol::thinking:
Watching your other type me video, and your interests are a lot like mine.
Thank you, that makes me glad.Quote:
Originally Posted by starrangel
I'd say I am generally innocent and good natured. It's sorta my default. And people matter to me. But also, it's a convenient vibe to give off when I need to do less than innocent or good natured things. ;)
Thanks for watching!