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From the current episode VIII.
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Mark Hamill - ILE
Daisy Ridley - SEE
John Boyega - SEE
Adam Driver - EII
Carrie Fisher - IEE
Oscar Isaac - LIE
Laura Dern - EIE
Benicio del Toro - IEI
Domhnall Gleeson - IEE
Lupita Nyong'o - IEI
Kelly Marie Tran - IEE
Andy Serkis - ESE
Gwendoline Christie - EIE
Their characters from the movie: typed here.
Havent seen it yet.. Reddits impression is that it was pretty lame. To Disney.
I wonder if daisy and john supervise the shit out of adam on set even though adam is clearly the star and most beloved by audiences and probably the only property the franchise would actually want to hold onto if push came to shove. that must create an interesting power dynamic. I could see daisy sort of throwing a fit based on that dawning realization, and based on her comments about coming back for more films it feels like she's actually begging to be kept on because she knows Rey is pretty underwhelming. probably because they made her to be an idealogical mary sue which is like a pseudo archetype that ultimately has no staying power or real impact. maybe she thinks she can get a second bite at the apple but I'm guessing they kill her off (the only way to redeem her character is to make her "go evil" and kill the ideological statement and in doing so resurrect the archetypal meaning to the story), which would, all things considered, probably be the best thing for her career if done well. the worst would be to shove her down the throat of audiences for x more movies and taking the franchise down the drain with it
john seems awesome though, I hope they develop the character in some creative and unexpected way, lots of potential there
He got supervised indeed, that saber training is not meant for :Se: PoLR when you look at the Making Of. Adam's only forte is his mega physique, and introversion intimidation as I call it. He scared the living hell out of Colbert (ILE) :lol: Supervision is a chain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
Rey is going into a nice direction, we'll see about that in IX. The director said it'll flip things by 180° so it's gotta be more than killing someone off which is obligatory by now. Impossible to tell by now since they're pulling things like (spoiler) removing Snoke right away.
Mark Hamill - IEI
Carrie Fisher - EII
Harrison Ford - LSE
Benicio del Toro - SLI
Laura Dern - IEI
Adam Driver - ILI
Ford is not in VIII :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
Daisy Ridley is self-pres first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VGsJSX_YDc
Yes, but as the title was about "Star Wars" in general, I've allowed me such sin. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
My 2 cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
yeah, you're right; at first it was set up with Rey being kind of bland but now who knows where they might go, could get very interesting; hopefully they make full use of the opportunity to do something creative!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
Grazie, love! Working on their subtypes currently, stay tuned.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavos
The director Rian Johnson: Alpha SF!
ur moms lame. and I even like the first one. also ur moms gay lol
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Originally Posted by muhtempus
As promised, the stackings:
Mark Hamill - 7w6 SO/SP
Rian Johnson: 2w3 SX/SO
Daisy Ridley - 6w7 SP/SO
John Boyega - 1 or 6 SP/SX
Adam Driver - 5w6 SX/SP
Carrie Fisher - 7w8 SX/SO
Oscar Isaac - SP/SO
Laura Dern - 2w3 SX/SO
Benicio del Toro - 9 SX/SP
Domhnall Gleeson - SO/SX
Lupita Nyong'o - 3w4? SP/SO
Kelly Marie Tran - 7 or 3w2 SO/SX
Gwendoline Christie - 478 SX first is always soooo obvious. SX/SO
Andy Serkis - 2w3 or 9 SX/SO
Here's some of the material I watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyyqOVRXOQA
I don't like the Rey character much but I like Daisy as a person.
For me it's the other way around XD Okay what does that tell us about ITRs, let's figure that out :write:Quote:
Originally Posted by bulletsanddoves
I actually prefer the character over her, too. :shifty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
looks like a real keener.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
Just watched it.
IMO it sucked; the length was unjustified- if it was good I’d understand. It was nice seeing the old cast but why make Luke so cowardly and weak?
And like the first, you could see current cultural themes and political correctness (feminist propaganda) run its poison throughout the film, sucking away the spirit that made Star Wars great in the first place
Nothing will ever touch the greatness of the original
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It's been better than the other ones, the third in the last star wars installment was better too. A huge disappointment for me was not doing more with the Jedi's. I get it in the original star wars there were limitations to budgets, special effects, but this time round, it could have been a great opportunity to give them more abilities than moving about a bunch of rocks. If this was in marvel universe, like, avengers heroes, they'd have really weak powers.
Which, now that they're all owned by the same company, I wanted Iron Man fighting Jedi's etc. But, there'd be no contest, flat out. Even Captain America could beat them.
I disagree. In fact, what we saw in The Last Jedi was: The Gay Takeover!! :hello: I mean come on, read between the lines. We have:
- An emo villain who cries all the time and feels self-conscious about his mask. Who uses force-skype topless but shies away from revealing his chiseled 8-pack entirely. Brilliant. Heteros could and would never. Though I think he's bi. Only bis are that troubled.
- Butch Rey. All the straight guys hate her - how come? ;) Who else would wield a weapon without zero hesitation and reject Kylo Ren's offer to reign with him. And have you heard Daisy Ridley talk?! Femme lesbians are in awe!
- Phasma: More butch, blatantly so. She wears zero makeup, hint hint
- Luke Fabwalker brushing off the First Order's bs. He's still single after so many years. Hamill says it's Jedi celibacy but err, no, see Anakin. All that crossing """swords""" with Kylo Ren... This all can't be heterosexual. Classic daddy.
- Poe Dameron who is a space gay together with bi Finn. Good chemistry in the first "Finn get some clothes" scene already.
- Holdo who has purple hair and some greek gown! And she's totally into Princess Leia! Becomes Poe's mom. Gays stick together. <3
- Hux who has the audacity to deliberately wear black in combination with his red hair! #1 fashion sin! Only closet gays are that cocky :eek:
- Rose Tico... um, is hetero. But the actress is into shipping men together. And that kiss with Finn was more than lifeless. So do the math, things aren't clear-cut here either.
- C-3PO, where do I start. Let's say he only affiliates with males. Yeah, I know, even the droids. PO is from the category: "anxious gay".
- Snoke: A sadistic bisexual who wears sparkly gold and is surrounded by male BDSM-looking guards with hyperphallic weapons. It's not even subtle anymore :8*
- Rian Johnson, last but not least. My gaydar is going loco for him. The way he talks, looks, and he does this:
Anyway, feel free to add to the collection or make corrections. TL;DR: The Last Jedi is a pretty gay movie - that's set in stone, pass it on everybody :gentleman:
The problem with Holdo was production design. Okay so you've got an empath who supposedly made it up the ranks to Admiral. And we know she is tough because well, she gave Poe a stern talking to. But her hair and the costume design really failed her as a character and made her look rediculous and clownish. I feel bad for actors when they have to make do with a bad wardrobe and makeup and Holdo had both. She should have had normal hair, maybe long amd parted down the middle and not bad hair salon dye job. She shouldn't have been wearing a green long neck plunge with a scarf because it wasnt very flattering to the actor and you could tell how uncomfortable she was in her own skin because of it b I know how gay this makes me sound. If you are going to introduce us to a new character don't make her look like a complete fool.
The new star wars was exactly what you would expect from Disney: very polished, very canned, overly creative for creative sakes and NOT subtle, overly produced. Even the strong performances couldn't save it from Riann and the god awful writing. Nothing about any of it was subtle and nuanced. It was like I was standing in a ride cue waiting for my turn to get on the ride while Luke explained "those are the caretakers who take care of the island"... like no shit Sherlock, they are wearing Nun outfits and aprons and complaining about the damage to the rock hut... I thought they were Jedi scientists but thanks for clarifying by explicitly stating, wouldn't want to have figured it out on my own.
Like I can't understand why you guys can't see what a bad movie this was? Everything was geared towards merchandising for children. (Hint: the new star wars theme park opens at Disney World Florida in 2019. Hopefully we can buy our Rebellian Rings for the kiddies so they TOO can join the Rebellion!)
Incoming rant:
Thank Gawd! :biggrin: And I noticed it, too. Destroying the old - in with the new! I think it's fantastic. IX will go even harder, really looking forward :popcorn:Snoke's story is not finished yet, Rian already indicated it. There is a very, very clear method to all this madness. Just wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keranos
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
Now that I think about it, I think some of my above analysis was wrong. Or, at least, I should say that it was lacking in scope.
I still think it does a disservice to the audience when the Force is practically depicted as an entitlement - whether we're talking about Rey, the little boy at the end, or through Star Killer (the main protagonist of a Star Wars video game). It means that the character lacks any build up for a satisfying power fantasy.
I guess I have no choice but to reserve my final judgment for after the third installment. Glad someone's really enjoying it, at least. Lol.
I can't say I agree with Hamill about what a Jedi would supposedly do. The movies he starred in contradict his statement here. After Palpatine used lethal force against the Jedi, Yoda and Obi-Wan went into exile and resigned from their posts. Furthermore, Anakin himself essentially gave up when he defied the precepts of the Jedi order and joined the dark side. Moreover, you can find several instances of Jedi cutting themselves off from the force, going into exile, or renouncing their religion in the extended universe pre-TFA. The Sith are largely composed of such individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteronfireee
I hope to God his story is finished, he was a ball and chain in the Force Awakens and hopefully this will be the last we see of this saccharine bady bady bady. Disney: look here is a villian and look how villiany he is... God these movies sucked hard. I hope to god Rainn is replaced too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
Haven't watched it and don't plan on it, but you did see the first movie (in order of movies made, not however they were rearranged) where Luke was just a big whiny crybaby throughout the entire film? I don't think he was ever anything but cowardly and weak, so at least that would be consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteronfireee
yeah fuck luke its all about k y l o
Haha that's true. He actually WAS a whiny crybaby in the first movie because he literally WAS a naïve kid lol....Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
But, there were TWO more movies after, Episode 5 and 6 (You saw episode 4), where he grows and matures and trains under yoda and becomes a Jedi master. He then defeats darth vader and the evil emperor. So you saw Luke's growth throughout the 3 films and he was anything but cowardly by the end of it.
Now fast forward to this current film, The Last Jedi, there's a scene where Rey, just training to become a Jedi, fights Luke a little bit. Rey ends up knocking Luke, the Jedi Master, down. And then you see Luke looking up at Rey with a bewildered expression on his face, like "wtf just happened." lol. And I'm thinking... wut. I thought Luke was the badass Jedi master.
Lol whatever though. I'm just a really big starwars geek that watched the originals 10000000x while I was a kid, play fighting with light sabers and reciting all the quotes lol so I have a pretty deep understanding of the spirit of Star Wars.
Lol, I never cared much about Star Wars, it never grabbed my interest. It didn't put me to sleep as fast as Lord of the Rings though, so there's that. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by peteronfireee
J.J. will direct the last one :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Rey is hot. She can totally sit on my face after getting all hot and sweaty. :hello:
Could be!Quote:
Originally Posted by Keranos
I see what y'all hint at, but the force was never about :Se: folks didn't you ever listen :lol: It doesn't help that the entire concept was inspired by the Tao (Yin, Yang) which mixes :Si: with :Ni:, completely introverted elements.
Oh yes I do. "Kyle McTantrum" is my type of antagonist to get excited over XD I have the perfect age for Star Wars I'm guessing, sans conservative attitude as well.
I read somewhere that I thought put it nicely when it said something like star wars is bound to become more like the james bond franchise with its ups and downs in quality because the schedule in releasing the films is not really controlled by creative inspiration so much as a regular business interest. in other words, its sort of how like artists will spend 5 years on their first album, but once they sign a record deal for 5 more albums the quality necessary has to give way to the scheduling demands. in any case, its important just to enjoy the ride and not get too hung up over the ideal we've built up in our heads
Forgot something. The Porgs are pretty much like the Minions?! Seems like the Alpha comical relief that divides the opinions of the masses. I think they are: Adorable. :love: I still resent Chewie for rejecting them :cry:
I thought it was based on Kabbalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
They are cute <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
Yes, that's an alternative theory!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarper
Ah~ You think the same. The entire cinema was audibly melting when they first appeared. They look so cuddly :hug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebula
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Well at least we know it might be half decent. JJ really knows how to distill what was beloved by fans while bringing something new. There was something Shakespearean about the original 3 and it would be nice to see that revisioned and HOPEFULLY not simply a rehashing of the old plot lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
yeah leave it to Disney to do a MDMA pupilled creature for the awesss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
Yeah no way Disney would show a grieving Chewie who lost his best freind. Because loss and death and grief are sad and no one wants to be sad :(. Need to have cute creative fuzz balls with eyes stand in for actual character development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
The Jedi Order always emphasized rigorous training in the Force in order to guide students down a constructive path. Anakin was only 9 when the Order discovered him, and they nearly turned him away because they typically inducted younglings at an even earlier age to provide enough training time. When Yoda took Luke under his wing, Yoda had a lot of skepticism about Luke's capacity to follow the way of the Jedi at such an old age. Luke was on Dagobah for up to 6 months training with Yoda; most of the time he was there, he struggled to command the Force. Eg. he couldn't initially lift his X Wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
So now, the audience is expected to believe that Rey is on par with major players like Kylo Ren despite the fact that she had virtually no training during TFA.
The thing is, I was going to let it slide after I saw TFA because prior to TLJ, we still had 2 more movies to concoct some sort of interesting explanation for Rey's sudden spike in power.
Now, that potential has been squandered in TLJ. We just got confirmation that she's a Mary Sue kind of character.
The only way this series can pull the Mary Sue flaw out of the ashes is if Rey has already received Jedi training, and her memory has been wiped a la Revan from Knights of the Old Republic... Which actually would make sense considering the fact that she only saw herself in the cavern mirror. It's almost as if whatever she was meant to do down there was resolved prior to meeting Luke.
Jar Jar is the key to all of this.
Rey a mary sue? more like sad men in space! take that gender politics :content:
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I'm over it.
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Originally Posted by wacey
Am not feeling you :lol: I'm a VERY simple woman. Just purchased another ticket with the thought in mind: "The First Order has never looked better, need to see that again" :aylen: So I'm reading the criticism/analysis with more of a fair enough type of reaction while my own experience is all about the eyes. No time for vitriol, I went to the movie with an open mind and the delivery was good, so I can't say much about Porgmania messing with screen time/characters or why power skill proportions are suddenly relevant if movies have always been inconsistent about it. I only know: The fight on Crait was too rad, it's the type of Jedi performance I support :flame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keranos
About Mary Sue, Daisy Ridley already addressed and debunked this issue as well :yup:
At the end of the day its JUST a movie :)
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Originally Posted by Chae
She likes that shirtless Adam Driver.
@Chae I agree. I thought the fight sequences were pretty kickass. I noticed they took some notes from the choreography of old Samurai films - with Kylo vs. Luke in particular. The simplicity of this style makes the fights more entertaining than the drawn-out fights from the prequels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
The scene where the resistance cruiser accelerates to lightspeed and goes through the first order fleet, destroying it, was very nice to watch on the big screen. That made it worth it for me, even though the narrative was sub par, and they nearly destroyed Luke as a character.
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Originally Posted by Ronin
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Though apparently, the scene was not as redundantly gratuitous as it seems. The co-sound supervisors spilled some tea about that. They said it was to show that the force connection was not just on a hearing level, they could see each other as well. And only then Rian Johnson with his pretty gay mindset decides it's gotta be Kyle who shows the assets :P HeheheheHEEE... He knows what he's doing and we caught him!!
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Oh yes :thumbsup: I can see how they would pick up the Samurai style. The camera work of this duel was giving me life as well :pros:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
A very bad one.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Compared to the old ones, it's total crap, but if you put them aside the prequels, it's decent (or if the old ones didn't exist).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitta
I defended The Force Awakens from Star Wars fans that said that the movie was too much like episode 4. I quite liked the film and thought it was a good place to start as it'd kind introduce new fans to the material and would reignite nostalgia for old fans. Didn't have a problem with them copying elements at all. I thought it was a well made film, and JJ Abrams sparked up some mystery and plot threads that made you want to watch the next movie. Along came Rian Johnson, who in my honest opinion made the worst Star Wars film ever made. If you sit back and actually think about the plot, nothing that occurs in the film actually matters at all. Rey didn't really receive any substantial training from Luke. Finns plot was pointless and amounted to nothing at all(I mean seriously all they had to do was ask what the plan was and Finns entire plot could have been erased). The Snoke stuff the most of all is what made me cringe so hard. You create all this mystery surrounding this character from the first movie and then Rian Johnson just says... GOTCHA!. I mean the whole movie is pretty much one gotcha after another as nothing introduced mattered at all. There are some other things that really annoyed me too but I don't want to spoil anything(if it's actually possible).Quote:
Originally Posted by lavos
tl;dr version: I don't think The Last Jedi was better than the prequels. The plot irrelevancy exceeded Attack of the Clones which I thought was one of the more pointless movies I've ever seen. TBH anyone that liked this movie pretty much got sucked into the superficiality of the scenes and didn't really think about what was going on. I don't know what kind of drugs the critics were smoking.
You see this is what troubles me: all the great reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitta
I’ve seen thousands and thousands of movies. I will watch movies that get terrible reviews and think that movie was great. Usually, I try to really suspend disbelief and go for the vision the director is showing me. For example, I thought Aliens: Covenant, was brilliant, yet saw how badly received by critica and audience it was.
I went to The Last Jedi after a 10 hour shift in the bush, by myself. I had ZERO pre-impressions of this movie as I had not seen ANY commercials. I was a blank slate and although I never thought TFA was a great movie (to derivitive- ANOTHER death star?? I thought the empire collapsed... Han Solo given super cheesy lines, Mos Def being such a pointless computer animation, yet Rey with all her energy and impetuousity felt very invigorating and distinctly Millennial) but it was still enjoyable . I even thought Rogue One was an excellent in that it showed a kind of grungy blue collar Empire that really gave something very new.
With the Last Jedi, Disney’s hand was in every piece. Everything was safe, nothing new whatsoever, besides perhaps the format. It truely felt so devoid of substance, so bizare, as though I was watching a three hour long McDonalds commercial. Everything was lame. The milking the green milk.?? What the actual fuck? Like it was sort of a Star Wars, I mean it had lightsabers and there was the Force. You know when you have a little brother who wants to copy your lego invention and he tries and it turns out absolute shit? That is TLJ. The trouble is if you are going for parody of yourself that don’t take your creation seriously. TJL instead tried to go for 4th wall breaks and in doing so almost: ruined Luke Skywalker as a character, ruined Princess Leia as a character.
You can call me racist and sexist as well but I thought Rose and Holdo were the most useless characters. If you know anything about Disney and Disney World and the myth and lore, than you can understand just how much of a politcal agenda they push. Rose felt like affirmative action at play: “okay we need an Asian and she needs to be a woman and she needs to be a security guard and blue collar technician because woman can TOO.” If you think I’m exxagerating then you seriously do not understand Disney. That affirmative action conversation happened you can bet on it. Her relationship with Finn was such a waste of Finn as a character. Here you had someone interesting, a defector, and now he is tagged aling with an earnest young girl who just wants to make an impact. This is what Disney does. Well at least we know Phasma will be back because we all know she didnt die falling into that fire.
The creatures were cool but again you need to understand they are only there because Disney needs new ride opportunities. You can bet there will be a wild man cheetah ride in the new theme park with Rose narrating over the speakers. “Ive always hated this town and the capitalist, elitist society that oppressed me and my sista. Now lets tear this town up hehe haha!!!” *Ride starts* “Finn, we are so young and inter-racial but it doesn’t matter because you make me wet!” *Ride splashes water on your face* “hehe sorry Finn, let’s escape this place with the digital code breaker!” *Ride ends with a drop and your picture -only YOU can be the RESISTANCE*
This movie was the worst of all Star Wars. I was reading reddit and there were some scathing reviews of TLJ about 5 days ago with tons of upvotes... so odd to see these reviews now buried under “omg so awesome!!! #starwars #Kylostits #Reymababe. Makes you wonder if the long arm of Disney had anything to play. Such high score reviews for what is such a blatantly mediocre movie? I guess style over substance.
I still await a classy, regal Star Wars revamp.
Mark Hamill: LSE
Daisy Ridley - mb ILE
EIE is the second most likely possibility IMO
She is not ILE nor EIE by a long stretch.
SEI-Fe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marep
extravert, intuitive, likely Fe valuingQuote:
Originally Posted by lavos
Agree on Fe valuing, but I see Sensing. Introtim or extrotim is not clear.Quote:
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