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Hi all.
Some time ago I heard some of you talking about IQ. If you're interested, I've found the original Raven's Progressive Matrices (60 questions divided in 5 sets A, B, C, D and E). Time limit is 20 minutes. The IQ is given in percentile. Your age is really important to the scoring of the test. Here is the conversion table (from percentile to IQ SD15, the most used scale). Have fun and, if you have any questions, feel free to ask me. :D
By the time I got to the last ten or so I just clicked randomly, without looking, to get it over with because my brother kept walking in asking me questions. I had like 17 minutes left on the clock. I will take it again when I have fewer distractions.
How is this an IQ test? It seems too easy. I think I can get them all next time since I know I got all the ones I actually looked at right.
Test complete!
Here are your results:
Correct answers: 49/60
Percentile: 75
IQ: Higher than average
Group: II
Edit: You said it is 20 minutes but I think it says 45. Either way on my last question it said 17 minutes left. :shrug:
Some people are saying the originals ceiling is as low as 122. ... The Ravens Matrices tests all look like they have a very low ceiling.
Looked into Raven's test:
Some suggest figures like IQ=IQRaven±30 (that is like 2 SD) and I believe confidence level is usually 95 % (meaning that 95 % cases will fall into that range) and it is rare to be in extremes. Think of that ±30 as bell shaped curve covering 95 % of test subjects but it still happens and some will cross the border due to different reasons.
I have done that test before and I don't see myself as qualified any longer but it was higher than average. I have visual problems (eye alignment as eyes tend to do wacky things in the background mixing information but they look normal these days due to surgery but that was mainly cosmetics) from birth so... I think it might be a disadvantage.
Well, this test (Standard Progressive Matrices) is able to discriminate up to 95 percentile, roughly 120 SD15. There is another test, the Advanced Progressive Matrices, that has official norms up to 99 percentile (135 SD15), but a score of 35/36 qualifies you for Triple Nine Society (99.9 percentile, 146 SD15), indicating that the actual ceiling could be much higher. I have found that test too on Scribd, but right now I'm not able to send it (I have screenshots of each item). BTW, you can try searching "Raven Escala Avanzada" or things like that to find it.
@Aylen: Somewhere I've read that the time limit was 20 minutes. Anyway, if the test link says 45, this number must be the right one.
Test complete!
Here are your results:
Correct answers: 56/60
Percentile: 95
IQ: Well above average
Group: I
But it was easy imo.
Correct Answers: 57/60
Percentile: 95
IQ: Higher than average
Group: I
I'm posting a link to the Advanced Progressive Matrices. It's on Scribd, you should pay for it. By the way, if you start a free trial you should be able to get the file for free. At least, that's how I did. Time limit for this test is 40 minutes (@Aylen it should be correct this time :lol:). Have fun guys. :D
This is the answer key.
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Here are the 36 items. :D
@User Name
Suggestion:
You should warn the answer key or at least add it after the items.
You can make an spoiler at the end of the post with the items.
Because we are watching first the answers and trying to figure what is it from and then watching the questions. So guess changing the location will be helpful.
I look at them. Is this original. IQ has raised since those days. Now there is a need for harder ones.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Flynn_effect
@Your caregiver in turn
I'm on my stupid phone, where the spoiler option isn't available. I'm going to edit the post as soon as I can. Thanks for the advice. :D
@User Name
I've 31 correct answers, what does it mean?
This is the hardest part: the norms. Raven put the ceiling at 99th percentile, but scores like 34, 35 or 36 are well beyond that. Actually, I found some good norms for higher scores (from 33 to 36) on the website of Colloquy high IQ Society. We can project those for a score of 31.Quote:
Originally Posted by Your caregiver in turn
36/36: IQ 152
35/36: IQ 146
34/36: IQ 144
33/36: IQ 141
A score of 31 would correspond to an IQ of (roughly) 136/137. Higher than 99.2/99.4 % of the population.
Just a projection, as said. If you had taken the test formally, you would have gotten an official score of "higher than 99th percentile". Hope it helps.
Take in mind what @unsuccessfull Alphamale said though. IQ is increasing, so your score could be a bit lower due to Flynn effect.
@User Name If those tests are reliable enough, that could explain why lack of logic in ppl piss me off often or why I hated school so much? The way of learning based on repetition and being forced to do as others say is depressing. Is all of that related?
Yes, partially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Your caregiver in turn
Of course, not everything you wrote is IQ-related. But mostly, people with high IQ like you are conscious about their potential and, for this reason, they don't want to be forced by others to do things, or can't stand illogical people. I scored 35/36 (missed item 32) as well (back in June 2016, self-subministration) and I relate to all of your traits, so I guess it's common to find those characteristics among high IQ people, afterall. :D
Test complete!
Here are your results:
Correct Answers: 52/60
Percentile: 75
IQ: Higher than average
Group: II
I am not a fan of online IQ tests as most of them are bunk and inflate your IQ score to make you feel better about yourself. This one seems decent though, but it seems to specialize on logical and spatial intelligence, while neglecting verbal intelligence. So it will only paint a partial picture of your IQ.
i guess i failed the "make this in english" iq portion :p
Respuestas correctas: 56/60
Percentil: 95
Cociente intelectual: Muy superior al término medio
Grupo: I
4 or so near the end i couldn't see the pattern for after a minute or two of searching for it, i assume those were my wrong answers.
Correct answers: 57/60
Percentile: 95
IQ: Higher than average
Group: I
That was my score as well. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andreas
Your IQ is 146 SD15 (99.9 percentile, 1 in 1000).
So far, scores on this forum are all above the 75th percentile (most of them even above the 95th percentile). This could mean that people with an IQ greater than 115/120 are more likely to be interested in Socionics. As expected.
Why would you expect high IQ people to be interested in socionics?Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
I mean, my own interest in socionics stems from my ineptitude at classification (Ti) in general, and at not knowing how important certain people or things are to me (low Fi).
Because Socionics is actually more complex than it seems. It actually requires an above average IQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
It doesn't require a high IQ to remember that there are sixteen types of people, and to read an inter-type relationship chart.Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
Anything more is just icing on the cake, speculation, or anecdotal socializing. (I'm projecting, if you can't tell.)
I happen to think that Socionics is "right", and that the information exchange processes reflect underlying structures in the brain, but that is also not hard to understand, and is really not essential to the practical uses of Socionics.
Ok, points of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Ti vs Te.Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
Thank goodness there are guys like you around to put this stuff on a solid foundation.
Before I encountered Socionics, I thought that smart guys like me were responsible for scientific advances. When I came to understand the difference between Te and Ti and thought about the characters of the LII's and the LSI's that I know (vs the LIE's and the LSE's that I know), I realized that Ti users are the ones who have built most of science. The Te users just apply what they need to get something done, and don't really care if they are using astrology if it gives them good results.
Eh. I got them all right but I doubt I'm higher than 125-130
Thanks a lot for your words. Yes, Ti vs Te. You've perfectly defined it. We build the theory and you apply it in the most effective way. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I will take it when no one is here. It''s labor day and apparently barbecuing is on today's agenda. Not that I am going to do it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
Because of this thread I did the 15 minute version of Wechsler Intelligence Scale, out of curiosity, twice. I should have just done the 30 minutes but I knew how much time I had before the next distraction so I took them some hours apart.
The online test is for fun more than anything. I did it to get an idea where I am at these days. I do forget how to work some things out sometimes but I pick it back up pretty quick. When I took it, it was like everything I had ever learned just came back to me instantly. I hardly had to think about the questions which was pretty cool. I had plenty of time left on the clock after both. I wonder if I subconsciously memorized the questions from taking various tests. I think anyone can improve their score by 10 + pts with a little effort by refreshing your memory before a test. I didn't seem to have to, this time.
I was considered a "gifted" student, with some behavior issues, (I refused to go to school) so I was a bit of a lab rat as a kid because they thought something was wrong with me. I was given the official test in a clinical setting. It was in 120s but tbh it didn't mean much to me then. I did not tell my friends. I don't think I took it serious and I went through a whole lot of psychological testing in the same time period. Anyway, part of a battery of tests I had to do because others wanted to know what made me tick.
It was later when I was involved with more intellectual types that I felt competitive with it and wanted to do well. Now I am back to not caring but it is nice too know the money I spent on nootropics has not been in vain. I am much faster than I have ever been. I used to hate being timed as it added pressure.
I got 44, 99th percentile on first one and 40, 99th percentile on second. Both said IQ was 135 or greater but I think realistically it is still in the 120s range. I can usually bump it up if I refresh my memory a day or two before I take these tests.
I lucked out as neither had any hard math questions. That would have lowered the score because I don't usually want to put the effort into figuring out a math problem. My brain is more philosophical than mathematical.
The questions were totally different on each but seem way easier than they have been in the past. Not sure if these links work or not. They work for me.
http://wechslertest.com/quiz_result/NDQ%3D/OTk%3D
http://wechslertest.com/quiz_result/NDA%3D/OTk%3D
Edit: Due to having a real baseline to compare these online tests results I never believe when it gives me anything 130 or higher.
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Originally Posted by User Name
I dont think so. Just having weird motives and interests can get you a long way past go.
IMO, I think it depends on what you're studying about Socionics. To understand the basics of Socionics for instance, I think an average IQ is more than sufficient, but to understand the more complex aspects of Socionics then an above average IQ is probably required.Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
As for the average IQ of the forum, it is probably around one standard deviation above the norm like around 115 and the majority of posters hovering around 110 to 119. This is above average intelligence, but not anywhere near genius level intelligence.
As for approaching genius level IQ, which is 130+ and two standard deviations above the norm. The ones in the forum that appear to be in that range I can likely count on one hand. Those are the kind of people you talk to and you can tell they are at another cognitive level compared to you, which is intimidating and rare to encounter in life and in this forum.
Also, everyone should take this post with a grain of salt btw as it is mostly speculation.
Why is everyone talking about Dunning-Kruger these days? Seems like the only argument anyone has for anything. It's just a flat foot theory of saying that people are dumb as shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...dunning-kruger <-- Summary: Everyone believes they are slightly above average regardless of whether they are above or below average when they perceive the task as easy. And there is some reversal of this effect when they think the task is difficult.
What that means when applied to socionics is that those who are completely incompetent will believe that they are pretty decent (especially when they are focused on just the easier aspects of socionics) while those who are very competent will think they're pretty decent at the easy parts, but think they are much worse at more complex understanding than they actually are.
(In other words, if someone says socionics is very easy, they're probably overestimating themselves. And those who say it is very complex, may be underestimating themselves.)
That's not really what it says, and I tried to link to an article with a more rounded view that goes beyond just dunning-kruger and was still a very quick and easy read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remiel
I am very well versed with it. Summa summarum, you will either be dumb as fuck and feel smart. This will provide you with a false sense of your own intellects limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
OR be smart as fuck while thinking that you're dumb. Making you actually dumb for thinking you're dumb.
Dunning Kruger proclaimes everyone as dumb either intellectually or just as in understanding of ones self.
I really dislike how that theory is used. It's always in some form of power play. Pure manipulation, shutting people up to your own ends. And it does, doesn't it? Very effectively.
You didn't get my whole quote. You missed this partQuote:
Originally Posted by Remiel
So, whether or not you're well-versed in it makes little difference when that was not the whole of what was being said.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
Read it before I posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
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Originally Posted by squark
Yeah I got that, you're talking about percieved difficulty. I actively chose not to adress it. Because I am not interested in that phenomenon.
Considering that was my main point. . . sigh, eh, don't worry about it. Rant on if you please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remiel
Well, I was done three posts ago. :hug:Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
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Originally Posted by Adam Strange
The sheer number of patterns in this theory is massive, and thats not taking into account how they work within each other, in different types, and to what extent each types psyche changes that interplay. This is just flat out wrong, and it makes sense that you think this way considering you have never shown that you have been practicing anything more complex than this. You are practicing MBTI at this point, for all intents and purposes.
The only problem with that is that the logic of the theory does not do much with those patterns. That internal logic of the theory is simple, way too simple for dealing with all those patterns of observation. It would be nice if the reality of how people work could be that simple but nah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slade
There are several schools of thought within the Socionics community that go far beyond Model A and basic intertype theory. You might want to do some research before making sweeping judgments like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Yes. Above average IQ. I've never mentioned genius IQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raver
You can't tell exactly who has 130+ IQ. This is an English speaking forum. And English is not everyone's first language. It's very likely that an individual has 130+ IQ and is not able to exploit it here due to his/her poor knowledge of English. I always think that if I knew English better you would take me more seriously. And this is painful. But I'm just 16, and I'm trying to improve my skills everyday. To really know whether a person is intelligent or not you should interact with him/her.
No, no, MBTI has no theory of inter-type relationships. What I'm practicing is a level of socionics that is just complex enough to meet most of my needs, and no more complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slade
Compared to some users, though, I'm sure that I'm at a pretty simple level. Socionics-Light, you might call it.
If I need to learn more, I'll do it, but brain space is finite, and I've been wondering recently if quantum decoherence destroys the "many worlds" interpretation of quantum mechanics, and if it is morally right to date a woman who is much younger than me, and if hard cheese is a good or bad thing. (I'm leaning toward "good", but the jury is still out.)
You've got to choose your battles.
I am speaking more in general rather than specifically. If English is someone's first language, it is much easier to tell then if it is someone's second language of course. In the end of the day, the best way to know is if someone took a certified IQ test from a psychologist.Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
If you took a certified IQ test from a psychologist and you got 130+ then I will take you for your word and believe you. Otherwise, it is just speculation and guessing if going by online impressions like I did in that post so I hope you did not take that post too seriously for that reason.
I don't need you to judge me by my IQ. I find it rude. I will never take a certified IQ test because it's completely useless. I've started this thread because I love IQ puzzles and matrices. Finding rules behind those shapes. I was curious about the feedback of others. IQ is just a number. And I don't need a number. I need some fun tasks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raver
My point is, I was not talking about your IQ specifically in my original post, I have no idea what it is and I am not interested in it. I was talking about the forum in general, but if you got offended by that, it was not my intention. I got carried away with speculation, which I tend to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
Perhaps you misunderstood my initial post because English is not your first language and you thought it was addressed to you specifically due to quoting you rather than the forum in general. Nonetheless, your English is quite good as your second language.
One thing I wondered is when the patterns can fit more than one set of rules, how do they determine which one is the right one? It seems to me that if you find rules that apply it should be right whether or not it's the rule they were looking for. I've wondered the same thing with word-based analogy tests, because those can also depend on what rule you decide to apply to them, and sometimes there are several ways to look at a set.Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
@Raver: I get your point now. Glad to hear your opinion and, no, you didn't offend me in any way. :D
@squark: True. This is why I don't really believe in IQ testing alone as a measure of intelligence. Anything can be interpreted subjectively (Ti) despite what general rules (Te) try to impose. Also, I agree that if you find a different rule than the one proposed by the test creator, your answer is valid, since you've followed logical principles to come to that conclusion.
I saw them, but they still don't hold a candle to more complex scientific theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slade
Heh I think you chose your battles pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Yah, I once saw a demonstration somewhere about how you can make all options right for each question (in a multiple choice IQ test that involved mainly numbers). :lol: The thing is, it's hard to make these things 100% unambiguous in terms of what rule we want the test taker to find, but I guess the test makers decided 99% unambiguousness was good enough... or something like this. It gives you an advantage if you are able to sense what the expectations of the test maker are, sure. Such as, one way you could pick the best answer is, which rule is the simplest one. This is even logical, if IQ measures how well you can get and use knowledge to adapt to circumstances then it would be pretty sensible to go with the simplest and quickest solution that already works instead of wasting time and other resources on finding convoluted ideas for fun or whatever. And if the aim is testing the ability of managing in very complex circumstances requiring more "convoluted" ideas, just give very complex test questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by User Name
More comprehensive test
http://wechslertest.com/
Probably lower because I did this partially with pen and paper. I'm not that good at direct verbal confrontation settings either where those test are held. Used algebra on one age question and stuff like that. So probably at least -4 score from 40. I also prepared for it by looking at example questions.
- Correct Answers: 43/60
- Percentile: 25
- IQ: Below average
- Group: IV +
Interesting. Perhaps I am a dumbass.
Hey @Limitless. What's with you posting here on the forum again. Wb. Cool about the neuropsychology program and the PhD stuff.
My quick thoughts/comments on what you posted...
Which textbook is the one discrediting IQ tests so to speak, do you have the exact title and authors/editors, etc? In what way are they discredited, can you make a summary on the reasoning. Just curious. I don't think any psychologist thinks they are some perfect measure or something like that, btw.
About the psychology theory parts - I wouldn't really say that intelligence is simply working memory. A good definition is about ability to use knowledge to adapt to the environment's demands. This involves many brain functions beyond working memory. Also different people have different ways of managing with situations. Different types of intelligences in that sense. In general, IQ tests are pretty well correlated with academic performance for example, though certainly hardly the one factor. They are less correlated with other aspects in life, sure.
Not sure which IQ test you were discussing when you said "the test". If by psychological buffs you just mean laymen, OK, I can access the tests at my university though, and yeah they are for the use of psychologists mainly. That doesn't really have to do with Wikipedia, which isn't an official resource for psychology.
I like the point on how it's best that one's interests (intellectual or otherwise) be integrated with aims aligned with society. I don't think however that someone liking to do logical puzzles like @User Name likes to automatically means they are also completely asocial and whatnot. :)
As for your bolded message - I don't know what thread you are talking about because this thread was created 10 days ago so it couldn't have made any forum member miserable for months. I guess you are thinking of another thread? Anyhow that sounds like the forum member just needs to figure out why it made them miserable and fix it for themselves, with some help of a therapist or friends possibly. Instead of shutting down a thread that other people have enjoyed for the information being shared and discussed. I hope that forum member will deal with the issue whatever it is exactly! :thumbsup:
@Limitless
I think you're right. IQ is meaningless, I said it. Socionics has some good points, but it's mainly theory and its assumptions are not always relatable to real life. Human beings are way too complex to be categorized into 16 standard groups. I can't disagree. This is the truth.
But I like Socionics. I see it as a way to understand better myself and people around me. At the same time, I like "IQ" puzzles, because they're useful for my brain to keep trained. These are my ways to have fun, music aside, which is possibly the most beautiful thing that this world has to offer.
Just because I'm interested in Socionics and in random problem solving it doesn't mean that I'm a socially inept who's completely detached from the real world. You can't judge a person only by his/her interests. I have friends. They're a few (because, from a theoretical point of view, they're the only one who can "turn my Fe Suggestive on"), but I have them. You're just making me feel inferior. And this isn't helpful.
You say that "Socionics/IQ" is a wrong correlation. True. But also "interest in Socionics and (IQ) puzzles/social isolation" is false as well, as @Myst pointed out.
If you like, I can close this thread. There's no problem. I understand (and share) your point of view.
@Limitless
I am so proud of you and not surprised by this news. I knew you would find your way. <3
This news is one of the best things I have read on this forum. Now I am remembering a song I sent you once... :hug:
Hmm.. do you have any information how alternating strabismus affects on visual working memory. My visual memory is crap (granted that I don't pay lot of attention to it and yes, there are people with good visual capabilities and visible stabismus.) Movement repetition is hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limitless
Hey. I forgot to respond earlier, sorry. I'm doing ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limitless
I'm curious, how did you get into this neuro stuff? I finished my Msc thesis earlier this year on a neurocognitive psychology topic myself
Uhm, I don't really see a concept as a religion. I don't think it should be treated as such. Then that's no longer science, no longer clear impartial thinking.Quote:
It gets complicated by complex anatomy. Eye movements, saccades, are one example. For instance, they have been shown to play a role in visuospatial sketchpad working memory. This working memory loop, specifically from the superior colliculus, and also dorsal visual stream, to the dorsolateral frontal eye fields, comes back to the dorsolateral area, however; that is another reason why several professors adduce this region when talking IQ. So IQ is really interesting in that it is like a religion - both put a name to something that certainly generates some volition, breathes life into people, yet may not quite be the absolute truth yet.
Haha, I didn't know about the God experiences showing up like that in brain imaging. It kind of makes sense tho'Quote:
The other physiological aspects corresponding to IQ, besides dorsolateral connections to various regions, are brain size and myelination. Both are genetically determined, so they are definitely suggestive of a global intelligence. Multiple intelligences also have some physiological substrates, including notably the posterior parietal for math, which is very IQ-ish. Emotional intelligence, like I said, is very medial and orbitofrontal. Kinesthetic intelligence may correspond to somatosensory cortex, maybe? That has not been discussed in class too much. Literary really is left-brained, as the old myths would have it, and spatial is right-brained (these two and working memory and processing speed combined as the four subfactors of traditional IQ). Musical playing taps into medial and actually deactivates the dorsolateral area. Interesting. The dorsolateral network of high IQ people is like that of low IQ people isntead of average IQ people, because both high and low IQ people have less blood flow to the region for the task, as measured by fMRI. IDK about natural intelligence correlates, but experiences of God actually correspond to deactivation of the left posterior parietal and dorsolateral areas, both of which are involved in solving IQ type puzzles. Pretty interesting to think of that!
I really don't think any psychologist or researcher is supposed to simplify things down to just this one IQ concept. If you were targeting laymen with that, OK.Quote:
Even in working memory, people usually have 7+- 2 on digit span forwards (phonemic loop = verbal working memory), which is 1/2 the WAIS working memory subtest for IQ. IQ is only measured in neuropsychology by Weschler as far as I know, although one neuropsych professor did say sometimes Stanford-Binet or SAT or GRE scores are used in remediation cases or cases of sparse funding. The expensive testing procedure for WAIS makes it so that many neuropsychologists only give IQ tests if requested, and I confirmed this with a clinical neuropsychologist lasts spring. The time for IQ testing is very short, and only 10 subtests are given, so if there is a discrepancy with the score and scholastic success for instance, academic performance is given more repute. Academics is interesting because working memory really makes sense as explaining why there is vissitude in student performance, i.e. I definitely think it explains why some students forget to capitalize or pronounce. Pronunciation, indicative of reading level through the Weschler WTAR IQ test, is actually the single other official Weschler IQ test given for clinical or research purposes, and this only takes a minute to administer. Sounds science-ish, right? So yes, there are brain areas that seem correlated with IQ. Let's be honest, IQ describes how humans love to make things smart and simple. It is a fun theory, but smart and simple historically have been shown to have limits. The highest IQs don't do anything, and I think that is because high IQ really is unremarkable, except in certain physiological cases. Pronunciation, I noticed, is something Marilyn vos Savant regularly encouraged people to learn to do correctly. There is a brain region correlating with both IQ and pronunciation, tied in with working memory. Also interesting how Marilyn encouraged pronunciation, but then, who knows what she knows?
Oh suedehead was not doing it because of this thread tho'. He's kinda trolly. IQ is not the only one thing he complained about in himself. Many other things, if you search his threads hehQuote:
Lastly, the forum member who posted about his "low IQ" (clearly not the case, given not only the context of our discussion, but also his posts), for months, was suedehead. He posted a bunch of really sad shit about being retarded or something like that, and it was clearly not close to the case. It really made me sad for a month or so, whenever I remembered it. At the time, I reached out to him for an entirely disparate subject which he complained about, and of course I did bring religion into the whole thing there too, lol. Forgive me for bringing up religion into that cheesy post, heh, and forgive me for hypocritically mentioning my education and educators. The reason I did that was 'cuz I honestly figured the only people to read my post would be User Name and maybe Aylen!
Heh what assumptions does the proof use?Quote:
The model Chris introduced actually uses math to prove past lives and the Bible!
Thanks, read it.Quote:
P.S. Myst, the text was written by Lezak, who recently published the 5th version through Oxford Press. It is called "Neuropsychological Assessment." The following is copied and pasted from the textbook:
- Respuestas correctas: 59/60
- Percentil: 95
- Cociente intelectual: Muy superior al término medio
- Grupo: I
I can tell you my actual IQ on a professional test is 136 SD15, though I scored 140 on the performance section which this test is similar to. Which means the true ceiling of this test is probably somewhere around 140, though it probably isn't that accurate at that range.
EDIT:
34/36 on the other one. I think the IQ estimates you made for that one are a bit high, 144 is a too high for me. And the 2 I missed were just careless errors.
To really test above the ceiling the test needs to be designed to measure that.
.... Ok, did I ever indicate I gave a shit about what you are saying? You claim IQ isn't important - do I care? I don't even care. I don't give a shit about you... or your anti IQ crusade... Go away. Lol!
Talk about a spastic!
Goodbye!
Yeah well I've heard a harvard PHD lecture on how the people who claim IQ is meaningless are ignoring loads of statistics and are basically making a claim to make themselves feel better, I can even link the video of him saying just that, so...
So you're 19 years old and you are lecturing me on how I should get a PHD education before I speak about IQ... meanwhile you don't have a PHD - you just want one, I have 4 years of college psychology under my belt and you have ... what? Hmmm.. interesting.
Yeah I'm sure you know more about psychology than Jordan Peterson, Harvard professor and PHD, at 19.
Forget it you're way over my head, I couldn't possibly debate you on the topic.
You're smarter than Peterson, too.
You're probably smarter than all of us, honestly.
Hey thanks for telling me what Aspergers is, I never knew before now. Thank you for that
So you argue psychology is getting perverted but then you adamantly support the self-esteem promoting "IQ means nothing" movement (which happens to ignore alot of data).
Giving too much importance to IQ test scores probably means you are not very intelligent.
There's a world of difference between saying "there are other factors than IQ" or "IQ is not overly important" and saying "IQ means nothing", which seems to be what his point is.
Who ever saw a reason to argue? Why argue? I'm not attacking you, I simply posted a high score. You are going absolutely batshit after I took the test in the OP and posted it, mainly I posted it just to show what the ceiling was (and maybe to brag a little bit, but that's what the thread is). I mean, I have a right to post my IQ score in this thread.
You clearly have some mental stability issues that are centered around your intelligence. I think you should just chill out and stop trying to be the best at everything. You don't have to be the absolute best at everything.
The fact you've tried to kill yourself at 19 - you should focus on your mental health rather than your intelligence. Stop being concerned about your intelligence. Stop being obsessed with super high achievement... it isn't mentally healthy.
You can get women easier with a less than ceiling IQ. Ok? It has advantages. Find a female, be happy.
If you want to know the truth, hard work is pretty important and accounts for alot. I know quite a few very high IQ individuals who are sitting around masturbating and playing video games and have been for the last 10 years. So... don't do that, you'll have a leg up.
Carry onward
if IQ is supposed to predict how well you do on a theoretical physics exam, then why not give people the theoretical physics exam instead? It seems like an awfully weasely, round-about way of measuring something.
The IQ score is an easy way to benefit lazy, narcissistic people who want to feel superior without putting in the necessary effort (which *gasp* involves work).
IQ tests are also of incredible use to people who want to bilk money off the idiots who pay to take them.
I wish he'd write a book. lol.
Limitless you've got alot of anxiety and thoughts on this matter, you just need to chill. I am not interested in turning this into some huge debate. I doubt I would dispute anything you can find evidence to support.
Consider taking a GABA supplement, it is homeopathic and helps with anxiety. You have some racing thoughts, I bet your mind is scattered all the time.
Maybe get away from the internet and let your mind relax.
Well that makes alot of sense - the glutamate excitation problem that you have, I can sense some serious overactivity and anxiety in your posts. I'll say next to nothing and there will be this wall of text...
I do think getting off the internet would help you, the internet definitely stimulates your mind in ways associated with the problems of excess excitation which you are mentioning.
But it's your life, do what you want with it.
Do you know what is causing the quinolic acid deficiency?
From what I'm reading GABA, although inhibitory, can be excitatory in the developing brain, so who knows whether it'd help you. But I'm pretty sure GABA can regulate the expression of glutamate.
It's likely you have an imbalance in your digestive system that's contributing to a neurochemical imbalance, it's extremely common in aspergers-like individuals and common in Americans.
Try eating alot of sugar free oatmeal and see if it helps you. ... it contains GABA and if you eat it consistently it actually will rebalance your digestive system and help you to produce more inhibitory neurotransmitters. Diets like that can actually help clear up many aspergers like symptoms.
Anyway, have a nice day
@Limitless I have not read the thread in awhile actually. Don't stress I didn't see the tirade but even if I did you are fine. I am not prone to holding tirades against most people. :lol:
It was just a weird coincidence that I posted a video of Langan yesterday. I went back now and saw that you did indeed mention him. lol Not sure how I missed the notification. I guess I was guided by synchronistic forces to post it here since I had missed your post where you mentioned him. It makes some kind of strange sense to me now. Anyway, I had noticed the thread was alive again and had just watched the video after it was posted elsewhere. I was looking for the right place to put it since I wasn't wanting to do a typing thread and "what you are watching" thread didn't feel relevant. :)
I just woke so I will read what I missed when I can. :hug:
No worries. :) Sorry, I'm not in the USA so I can't really give you recommendations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limitless
That article is full of errors (reasoning/factual). Maybe it's to simplify things down but they oversimplified it for sure. It doesn't actually claim that working memory is IQ, btw.Quote:
Here's an article which substantiates the legitimate finding that IQ is actually working memory: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy...b_4168628.html
Why do you like neuroimaging, then? :)Quote:
To answer your question, the only reason I'm interested in psychology is because of neuroimaging. Lol! It sounds awful. Also, I love love love the ethics, metaphysics, and ontology implied by psycholoigcal research. That combo is basically what impells me to do psych.
Good luck :)Quote:
Recommendations for researchers would be sooo good! I will be applying to these schools by Dec 1st:
Hm, NFs are probably not very "quantitative", heh. That doesn't mean they can't do research, tho', I think...Quote:
- Soooo interested in research at UC Irvine, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Cornell, NYU, but apparently I'm too dumb LOL. :p Get this broo: 47% quantitative, whereas 93% verbal and analytical. :hide: HAHA, I a sucky sucky :hello::kissing: That's reallly why I insist people here realize IQ has been out-ed from the closet as secretly working memory. If I wanted, I could probably find some researchers doing research on that topic, but unless its neuroimaging, anything in psych is boooorrrriingg lol!
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I finished my Msc thesis earlier this year on a neurocognitive psychology topic myself
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WOW That is wonderful broo! Keep up the fantastical work girly! <3 That is truly a great update. I want all the deets. How did it happen, who was your MSc adviser, what brain areas do you love, did you use certain equipment, etc. etc. ... Can't wait to hear all about it!!! Wonderful wonderful!!!! :)
Heh, thanks. How it happened, umm, ask a more specific question than that. :) It involved study by EEG on spatial navigation. Uhm, brain areas involved were mostly frontal-striatal and parietal (this is very generally put now). I don't think names of the advisors (two) would say much to you, because I'm not in the USA, again. Oh and what brain areas I love, lol, that's a funny question. I guess I do personally find some of them more interesting than others lol, well, ok, the ones that serve functionality for spatial and especially mathematical cognition (dorsal visual stream and associated areas, some other parietal and frontal stuff, hippocampal and associated areas, etc) and reward cognition (striatal-associated areas, some more limbic stuff, frontal, etc) and consciousness especially in terms of executive functioning (anterior cingulate, frontal, etc), along with general principles for organization of brain functions (certain lower level/older brain structures are also interesting to me here beyond just cortical functions).
When my daughter was being generally evaluated including an iq test pre-2nd grade, when she would give a non-expected answer the psychiatrist would ask her why she answered that way. For example, "Is milk pink? Yes. Why yes? Strawberry milk is pink." and "Do trains run on roads? Yes. Why yes? Tracks go across roads sometimes." The psychiatrist said it was a good thing I was going to be homeschooling her, as she'd likely have problems in school with her lateral thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
When I underwent my own psychiatric evaluations (pre-motherhood), I would be having conversations with the psychiatrist while he was testing me, and then also when I had forgotten a word from a list of words I was supposed to recite back, I would spontaneously say it, or if I recognized an error I had made I'd later give the correct answer. So basically, the testing + the conversation + mentally reviewing my own answers afterwards while still continuing with the test.
Basically, just saying that when going through an evaluation with a good psychiatrist, they take into consideration reasonings and behaviors not typically expected. But when doing with someone of lesser studies/understandings, and/or on internet tests, they don't/can't really consider other factors going on.
Last I heard, though, there's some other 'tests' being given these days. For one example, when my daughter was much older and we went to the neurofeedback guy, he had us use a handheld machine that tested visual/spatial memory plus reaction time. That was an interesting one. Though the guy was a bit upset that I was carrying on a conversation while doing it..at least until it sped up to a more interesting speed for me. There really was only one right answer, but it didn't require reasoning to get there, just memory and speedy reactions.
That makes perfect sense to me. There's so much you can't see when it's just a multiple choice answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
Oh, that does sound really interesting!Quote:
Last I heard, though, there's some other 'tests' being given these days. For one example, when my daughter was much older and we went to the neurofeedback guy, he had us use a handheld machine that tested visual/spatial memory plus reaction time. That was an interesting one. Though the guy was a bit upset that I was carrying on a conversation while doing it..at least until it sped up to a more interesting speed for me. There really was only one right answer, but it didn't require reasoning to get there, just memory and speedy reactions.
For the OP, I don't particularly care for IQ tests and IQ discussions, but I like puzzles so checked it out. As I expected, I missed 4, with over 20 minutes left on the clock. I'm not a patient person, and 4 of those questions required a little more analyzing than I'm typically interested in doing when a clock is ticking away and I still have questions to answer. If given the choice I would have used the remaining time to look them over again, but we weren't given the option.
Back when I was in my early 20s, I underwent IQ testing with psychological evaluations. My score was over 145. Thus it was used against me when I was initially applying for disability. Yes, people who test high IQ and even higher than my own CAN be non-physically disabled. I get sick of people describing high IQ as if that automatically meant the person was high Conscientiousness and low Neuroticism. I'm the opposite: REALLY low on Conscientiousness, and REALLY high on Neuroticism. I always felt bad in school when my honors classmates were working their asses off to get their As, and I would only give the teacher just enough of what s/he wanted to get my A. I always felt like a fraud. These people earned their As!!! I was just working the system. In my mind, they were the smart and intelligent ones, while I was a fish out of water. A few teachers recognized that I wasn't engaged/interested in the work, and would try to encourage me to find something of interest that WOULD engage me. But anytime we did, my father would step in and fuck things up. So early on in life I learned that there was no sense in my even trying, just do enough to not get a beating.
I remember pre-Richard dating a guy who was a really good mechanic. He worked on all sorts of machines and was good at his job/hobby. I admired him. One time his teen boys convinced him to take an online iq test. He was sooo excited that he got 100 on it. He kept trying to get me to take it, but I didn't want to. He even got his boys to try to get me to take the test. He'd be telling me that it's ok if I scored lower than him. (I wonder if he thought my being on disability meant I was low iq??) I don't remember anymore what he said that finally triggered me into taking it..in front of them all, so I couldn't even hide my score from him. (Maybe he thought I'd lie and say high?) Anyways, when the score came up, his confidence and happiness just dropped...hard!! I kept trying to say that iq didn't matter, it was what one DID with what one had that does. I kept pointing out the smart things in life that he does, and the car problems he's fixed, and how valuable that is. And look..I was on disability, so it obviously meant little in the bigger scheme of things. Well, after he took me home he stopped taking my calls and wouldn't return messages.
So basically, iq is one of those things where damned if you do and damned if you don't. Supposedly I had it, but couldn't use it to help me function in our capitalistic society. And those who could function in it but didn't have the valued iq felt low. I'm glad to hear that things are moving away from iq.
If I come across my notes from the neurofeedback days, I'll be able to find the name of the machine that was used. Googling isn't giving me good results, and I suck at googling.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
Wow, that's ridiculous that he reacted that way. Online IQ tests are known to boost your score to make you feel better about yourself hence why I never take them seriously because it is easy to score high on them. The only IQ test that truly mattered and was real was the one you took in your early twenties. It is very strange for someone to take a fake online IQ test so seriously and shun you because of that. Also, I think there are a couple studies out there that show high IQ is linked to low conscientiousness and if anything your example asserts this. However, thanks for sharing this, it helps put things in perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
This is an interesting test with a higher ceiling for those of you who enjoy these:
https://iqhaven.com/mytests1/cfiq-test/index.htm
- Correct answers: 52/60
- Percentile: 75
- Intellectual quotient: Higher than average
- Group: II
Hey, wondering where the answers are to the Advanced Raven Matrices Test in Spanish?
Test completed!
These are your results:
Correct answers: 60/60
Percentile: 95
Intellectual quotient: Very superior to the average
Group: I
- Correct answers: 60/60
- Percentile: 95
- Intellectual quotient: Very superior to the average
- Group: I
Number of correct answers 60/60
The test seems pretty easy tho.
I am never taking an IQ test again, after what happened a few days ago. I spent an hour on one, and when I finished it, I was informed that I got every question wrong, including questions that I specifically remembered answering correctly, thanks to some kind of error. If I were to take an IQ test again, it would certainly not be one of those progressive matrices types of tests. Those tests are heavily biased in favor of individuals with a visual thinking style, which I do not possess. In fact, owing to a medication I take, my ability to visualize things has pretty much gone out the window. So I would probably be informed by one of those tests that I'm retarded, or worse, "average."
Not gonna recommend to take it but you could decode each step into numeric-linguistic representation and from there continue. Anyway, it is possible that you have some sort of localized narrow cognitive or possibly sensory impairment which makes it very hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunki
50/60.
I'm pretty good at detecting what looks good and i'm good with shapes; I'm okay at trying to pick apart visual aspects of things and that's what I had to do for some of them. I'm also sensitive to big differences in size but that's not really all that relevant to the test.
I'm pretty sure all or almost all of the ones I missed were in Section E. Not good with inductive or deductive reasoning despite probably being Ti base, so that has to do with why I got so many wrong on Set E.
50 questions...nope
No motivation to take this. Already know my IQ scores based on a real test.
90th percentile with 56/60. I missclicked and missed one question which was easy but I believe that this error compensates for the fact that I have done other IQ tests on the internet before and therefore allows to have, in a way, a more representative result.
I don't have a visual thinking style, in fact I hardly visualize anything my head and still managed to have a pretty good score.
On the other hand, I am zero in spatial intelligence : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatia...e_(psychology) , https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-con...l-intelligence which is not really measured by IQ tests.
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...What am I even doing here?
I’m just going to cut to the chase.
I feel dumb most of the time about most things.
don’t ask me math questions.
I answered 18 out of 50 questions then got bored and skipped to the end and then it took me to a page where I had to pay to get the results. Hahaha... good thing I didn't actually complete it fully!