Im sure she appreciates your pleasant sounding liesQuote:
Originally Posted by Simo
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Im sure she appreciates your pleasant sounding liesQuote:
Originally Posted by Simo
A Mexican folk myth popular in the city of Teotihuacán talks about a wealthy farmer called Gonzalo Quádre. He owned over 100,000 acres of corn that was the main source of food to the citizens of Teotihuacán. Quádre had surplus corn that he decided to dry up some to feed the chickens on his farm. On a summer day, while he was feeding the chickens, he heard a popping sound. As frightened as he was about the sudden noise, he looked down to see a white piece of fluff. After examining it, he found out that it was a kernel. He tasted it and decided to keep the secret for decades as the people believed he had supernatural power to turn stone into food. So he was worshiped until his death. As he was dying, he asked his counselor to spread the secret in the city's temple. He was later buried in the pyramids.
rofl @ Bert. Yes, I'm on the sidelines, because to be frank, I don't really give a shit, while some nutjob have a mental breakdown right in front of everyone on 16types.info. This is quite a sight to see... lol. Like usual, the best thing that you can come up with is more "Socionics ad hominems"... lol (and some other clueless guesses at motivations).
You are truly breaking apart, man. You are done for. What a pity... Now the entire forum sees you for what you truly are: a fucking freak lunatic on the Internet. Good bye, you insane troll. Go seek help.
socionics ad hominens
socionics is a psychological theory of cognitive functions
cognitive functions are components of the individual psyche
theory of the individual psyche
socionics ad hominem (theory of the person)
yeah, adds up. almost like that's what it was designed to do
anyway I know your "goodbye" was probably pure theatrics, but hopefully you'll stick to it and this means you won't be addressing me again
even if you think they are lies if I believe them at least I am not a lairQuote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
and if she is really an ESE then why can't you prove it? is it because you are a ti polr?
Edit: I am going to sleep so take your time thinking of a prove
Donald aka "Bertrand," in the end, disgusts enough people that they decide socionics is a cult and run from this place as fast as they can. Reminds me of that Jeremy dude that got permabanned. Are you drunk too Bert?
lol @ alpha democratic subjectivism XD
you guys are great
so we are alphas then I will be LIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
not as great as you, changing the subject isn't a bad strategyQuote:
you guys are great
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/c8a1b6e375...ror-ajff7p.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
https://nmscott2.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/98475.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
Get off the internet and go to a meeting.
fuck you adam
What was the name of Ashton's forum?
That asked, there certainly is an element of stagnation here on this forum. Personally while I can feel it I am not currently attached enough to want to put energy into changing things (I know, a shocking revelation). I can see how its continuity can be grating (or stifling), particularly to some types. Certain approaches to mixing things up and pushing things forward have been tried and not worked so well. Doesn't mean there isn't an approach that will.
no worries, the superabundance of any force inevitably produces its opposite
http://i.imgur.com/WGqpJhK.jpg
:shrug:
^ what people who think Adam is an innocent oaf don't understand is that this is "I can't hear you" act is (passive) aggressive behavior - maybe understandable in a context where he is being attacked but also utilized in situations where he is bothering others as a tool to be able to continue what he's doing. It's comparable to a guy who keeps "accidentally" brushing his hand against your ass on the bus and then pretends to be deaf or mentally disabled if you do something.
He refers to himself in the third person.
not to mention his entire shtick is not gamma to begin with but is being used to defend the fraud he continues to perpetuate, and its working because apparently hes the embodied stereotype the powers that be have in mind when they think of gamma, which is beyond insulting. in other words, hes just taken on the role of willingly acting out the dopiest possible stereotype of gamma as it appears to delta as some kind of public service to prop up the aristocracy which would lack all context if there was nothing but a big vacancy for contrast. and they support and protect it at the expense of truth and decency all the while preaching the virtue of non aggression and admiring Adam's brave stoicism from afar. the whole thing is a big sham
then they stand around mystified "what problem??"
then a whole bunch of people who have unwittingly been sucked into this dynamic and don't even know their type from a hole in the ground come in to defend it because they've come to rely on it (the aristocracy) without realizing they've all been cheated too. look at how sad people are that they can't even find themselves because of how certain types have been lowered and others uplifted and all they see is a battle for status at the expense of their own souls. and that's not what socionics is meant to do. and then the perpetuators of this scam want to talk about aggression and ethics as if they haven't undermined people on such a deep level that aggression wasn't even necessary, as if that makes it ok and not ten times more evil
"how could he possibly know any better? He has 1d fi!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
oh you know boys will be boys!
I don't talk about my type because of the inevitable typology identity politics. I've been around this forum for a long time, long enough to know how this all will play out. As to the other stuff, I'm not as invested in your guy's issue as you might think. I can see how block headed adam can be, yet I also have sympathy because I build my ethical program from people in all camps. I can also sympathize with him on a man to man level because I have also been through a divorce myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
It's how I survive and it's how I gather information, all sides. That, and I build my relationships separate from the collective. That lungs doesnt get along with adam is inconsequential to how I act and speak towards adam. And no, that doesn't make him my dual. I speak to everyone equally and always have and you are pretty much not going to change me. Have your gammas, Bertrand. You wanted to make a power move, and help out lungs in the process, here you go, take it.
why dont you enlighten us how it will play out then Nostradamus
a power move, heh, as if that's all anything is
is that what 4d ethics looks like? nothing matters and its all about self preservation through getting along with everyone? its like why not just fuck off entirely then since you dont give a shit about anyone but yourself
if all you care about are allies then you may want to rethink your position, but it doesn't matter because people don't want a sniveling worm at their back anyway. maybe you know that, which is why you'd throw in with such a tool. because at the end of the day they're the only person whose moral requirements are low enough you might be able to co exist with them
i don't pity that for a second, because you stepped on more people than you realize to ingratiate yourself to a comfortable working order. so you can talk about aggression and how ugly this all is, but its nothing compared to whats right below the surface of this place because of people like you
lol tl;dr Bertrand needs to put away his computer and go and get laid for a change.
These fights and arguments would be much more fulfilling and effective if he was having them irl with Gamma SFs by whomst which he'd be getting laid by. Repeatedly coming onto Adam, on the other hand, the effort seems to be misdirected.
hurr
Ban everyone
Amen to that. Any gamma SFs volunteer while were at it so i wont be losing my mind aswel? For forums health of course :hello:Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
I'm not sure if people seriously believe in what they write (i.e. Socionics), or it's just an attempt to save face. What we know is that yet again Bertrand is massively embarrassing himself on a public forum, not that this stuff doesn't happen from time to time. I honestly don't know what the dude's problem is to keep doing stuff like this, lol.
I honestly don't see what their problem with Adam is, beyond Bertrand's "I'm a pious Christian man and I don't like his lewd behavior!!". Not that he's some sort of a moral exemplar of pure reason and rationality that he pretends himself to be, of course. Now yeah, maybe with lungs I can understand, but I don't know why Bertrand is getting involved in this other than that Adam doesn't fit in with his perfect exemplary view of God's Gammas. Maybe he just doesn't like Adam for whatever personal reasons, and tries to rationalize it with "Socionics explanations", as usual.
The dude seriously needs to lay off Socionics for a while, lol.
It's an internet forum, it's hard to accept this analogy?Quote:
Originally Posted by lungs
Or perhaps it's me having attended for the most part trolling-intensive forums.
I don't think basic social etiquette should be lost on an interactive and occasionally intimate online platform. This isn't 4chan or reddit. If that were the case then this thread wouldn't exist, but alas. It does exist which reinforces the notion that there is an underlying social code which we (unconsciously) adhere to. That analogy is merely expressing irritation over the lack of adherence to that social code with regards to excessive romantic/sexual advances through the use of a real life example to shed perspective on the issue at hand. Trolls are everywhere and everybody's fucked up in one way or another but it'd be cool if we could ALL reel it in from time to time. I make light of everything but not everyone is me and I think that's important to remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Now where's Jailbait when we need dat good ol' comic relief
This gamma vs. delta vs. beta reminds me of socially inept children in highschool who werent allowed to sit at the cool table and are now at 30 or 50 or whatever compensating for it and banning people from their nerd table. Its pathetic and juvenille, not to mention hilarious to observe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singu
always nice to hear the mob weigh in so we can consider the voice of mediocrity
I don't know what's hard to accept. An example is something like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Me: it bothers me when you do x
Him: why would it bother you that I do y?
Me: it doesn't. It bothers me that you do x.
Him: lol, wow, if it bothers you that I do y, maybe you need therapy.
Me: I'm telling you I'm upset about x. I don't care about y.
Him: I don't know what you're talking about, but maybe you're mad about y because you have ptsd or something?
Me: fuck you
Him: haha, well, they have solutions out there for mental problems, give that a try :)
Him: anyway, *x*
Considering how "I can't hear you" is his default response to everything im hard pressed to believe that this isn't deliberate.
not to mention its like "lungs grow a thicker skin" but bertrand "haha calm down buddy, you can't just push people around"--its like what is it? is this a free for all or are we snowflakes? I don't mind a free for all. I figure I can handle a mob of betas, adams creepiness, alpha's white noise, and delta moralizing all at once. right now the lines exist to conspicuously enable some things and discourage others. its precisely this balance that is in question. this defense of the status quo for its own sake misses the point which is its precisely the status quo that needs to be examined, how it came to be, what its functioning to do, etc.
also it bears repeating, Adam can post as much as he wants wherever he wants, I'm just going to respond in kind. In the same way anyone else can follow me around and feel free to make whatever jabs they think reflect credit upon their cause, and maybe the truth will spin itself out. the interesting thing is how implicitly threatening people find this prospect and want to discourage it principle. its almost like their pack of lies is at risk and they all need to rally to try and shut it down. well, its nice to see such unity from all 3 quadra on an issue (plus our very own ILI @Number 9 large)!
I don't think it's the forums climate so much as just the way of the world that explicit aggression is punished and implicit aggression goes unnoticed. I don't see how it could be other way, really - people can only see what they see - but yeah, the discrepancy hasn't passed my notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
its such a unidimensional and, dare I say it, sensory approach to reality though. its interesting to see which types defend it because presumably they should know better, in principle.. the idea that this could be going on should not be so mindblowing as it seems to be
not to mention certain posters who are all about exposing things seem to be conspicuously silent. I imagine the deal is many recognize it in principle as being possible, but object to exposing it or taking sides for other reasons, which I imagine revolve largely around Si valuing
it would be nice if they could just come right out and say, "yeah this whole thing is a sham, but its our comfy sham we've grown accustomed to, so stop messing with it"
the entire unfolding of this thing is like a case study in how Si functions in people's opinions on what's proper and what isn't... every single person here who has taken up Adams defense either explicitly or implicitly can be seen to have higher Si > Se dimensionality [1], and this is how I've always known I'm not ILI, cause when the chips are down, they can pretend to be smarter than the crowd, and criticize away, they will side with the mob if their own comfort is at stake every time. same thing with EII IEI etc. so much for ethics. this is the basis for scapegoating in general that gets the ethical seal of approval. it flows both ways though, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth is incredible when the weak outnumber the strong and the strong nevertheless get their way. they would do well to remember their stance here and now when in other aspects of their life they find themselves being pushed around and wonder how someone could do such a thing.
at least ILI is consistent in that when theyre being pushed around they recognize they essentially asked for it and its pure pragmatism at bottom. I can kind of respect that, but the ethical sheen on what amounts to pure comfort sensing is harder to swallow
[1] honorable mention to ESE Aylen who is both Si valuing and not a defender of Adam, because of that 4d willingness to speak out. however the Si valuing aspect means she sides with the overall Si preservation of the status quo at large, hence her confused and contradictory stance. it is actually quite consistent with her type. I actually really respect that despite being a confused mess sometimes she at least isnt defending Adam and trying to wax moral about it, in the way I go onto to criticize IEI and EII, because shes not weak willed. the sad thing is people got her thinking she's inferior for this not superior (she wishes she were IEI)
people like chae actually probably have the balls to speak out but are silent precisely because they value Si too. they likewise see this to be fishy but at the same time their hands are tied because they value the status quo, its probably why they try to aim at global issues because they want to prevent things from ever getting to this state, because by this point its too late for them to help and theyre likewise bound to the mob
@Bertrand youre just being a dick to anyone who even slightly disagrees or doesnt like your tone.
Kind of ironic that you hijack and harrass every thread with ur bullshit in order to prove how much of an asshole you think adam is, because youre being the biggest asshole right now, so nice job getting your point across. Okay you dislike adam, nobody fucking cares ok? So stop ur fucking bullshit and get a fucking grip. Because im tired of you somehow thinking youre in a crusade against "adam and the world" with lungs or some shit. It makes no fucking sense, youre delusional, and im tired of seeing your annoying ass posts that have no fuckin value on every fucking thread. It pisses me off. Also you dont own a fucking quadra, ok? Who the fuck do you think you are? Asshole.
@Bertrand I think people just see your overt aggression and get indignant. I doubt they see it in terms of defending the forums atmosphere as it stands or anything like that - I don't think it goes that deep. At least not on any conscious level. You overestimate how much people perceive, maybe bcuz it's so clear to you that it seems self evident.
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Originally Posted by Number 9 large
lol, moron
yeah its definitely not conscious for nearly all of these people. if anyone is really paying attention, this entire thing is actually by far my greatest contribution to illustrating the truth of socionics inasmuch as there is such a thingQuote:
Originally Posted by lungs
More of an illustration of how much a dick you could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
aw look at babies' ethics in actionQuote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
maybe if you're real good boy singularity will come in here and say something nice about you
would that make you happy? i bet it would!
Aw yeah, ad hominems, so mature. Lungs would be proud right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand